NDS highlights for Saturday, Nov 4
I know that everyone I meet is none other tham the Buddha. Each and
every person, plant and thing is nothing less than God in the flesh.
I know that God is playing all these games.
That is the real message of the B. Gita. Not to do battle with one
another. Rather it is to accept that Krishna is All. To participate in
this life and do the right thing. I offer that curses directed
toward anyone are not beneficial.
Judi quotes RAM-TZU:
Questioner to Wayne: How did it affect your relationship with people
once the struggle had finished, had dropped away? Was there any major
change in the way you related to people?
Wayne: My wife is nodding her head. I can't tell! I mean, from a
personal standpoint, I don't register tose changes. I suppose I
wasn't, and remain not particularly interested. Whatever personality
characteristics changed were more noticeable by others than by me.
But personally---I think I turned into a hell of a great guy.
Questioner: Where's your wife? I want her to tell...
Wayne: You might hear a different story from her. (laughter) But I'm
sure as the seeking eased, I became more relaxed. I'm sure that
translated into my relationships with others. The important thing to
understand about the changes that come about, is that changes come
about in every body-mind mechanism througout their lives. Events
happen, and the responses by the various organisms are quite
different. You can't say that when the seeking falls away, this list
of personality characteristics ensues or that when the Awakening
happens, then the personality becomes 'this way'. Look, you have
Ramana Marharshi--totally kicked back, you know. He's in Southern
India, laying back on his tiger skin, answering a few questions,
swatting a few flies with his...oh, "brushing" them. Not swatting. I
mean, he was a saint, after all! (laughter)
Questioner: Oh he didn't do it. Somebody else did it for him.
Wayne: Somebody else did it. Even better. He didn't even have to do
his own fly work! He's totally kicked back, he has someone else
shooing his flies away, and he answers a few questions. He asks
people who it is who's asking the question, and--life is peaceful!! A
very gentle easy kind of personality. Now you have Nisargadatta
Maharaj. And Maharaj is a very 'different' kind of personality. He
has a very agressive nature. And when you come to him and you ask the
same question for the fourth time in a row, he will yell at you to get
OUT OF HIS SATSANG! (laughter) Because that's the nature of the
mechanism. And the basic fundamental nature of the mechanism is not
necessarily changed by the falling away of the sense of personal
doership, because it is not te body--it is not the body-mind mechanism
that is enlightened!
Dear friends of Nonduality Saloon:
I was a member once before but I found the atmosphere a little
noisy for me.To use a musical metaphor- to many notes for my
taste. I have been a frequent visitor, and particularly enjoy
the postings of Dan Berkow and Gene Pool. I'm sort of a head
guy. The reason for my re-enlisting is simply to make a brief
comment on the way I percieve the goings on.
1- I think all involved in this type of discussion should be aware
of some of the main principles of Semantics.
2- The mind can prove or disprove just about anything.
3- The WORD is definitely not the thing.
4- There is no meaning without CONTEXT.
5- Use judgements cautously,-The multiply like rabbits.
This would be just for starters.
I don't know if I have anything else to say. This may be my only
Post. If it is, it's not anything personal. Or is it?
I feel that my natural state is one of freedom and ecstasy, no
problem, however I see more and more how thought can be seductive to
less than happy in exchange for feeling safe. Thought to me now seems
the snake in Jungle Book that sings 'trust in me', 'trust in me' as it
hypnotises its prey.
So I ask, is it possible to negate the whole field of knowledge, and
thought, so that the mind operates without any trace of prejudice? The
tool we usually have is knowledge or thought and obviously that won't
we'll only end up with more of the same. I think it is possible,
Possible by seeing the danger in identifying with thought/knowledge,
seeing a dangerous snake, whch then makes the brain alert and stand to
attention so as not to get bitten. Then there is a release.
To me this alert state of mind is not different to the natural free
that I want to be. Not to hold onto anything, not to limit oneself to
state, this is to be individual and to be true surely. Such would be
beginning of meditation and allow the possibility of dialogue with our
brothers and sisters, not to convince them of anything but to set each
Sky quotes T.S. ELIOT
At the still point of the turning world.
Neither flesh nor fleshless.
Neither from nor towards.
At the still point, there the dance is.
But neither arrest nor movement.
And do not call it fixity.
Where past and future are gathered.
Neither movement from nor towards.
Neither ascent nor decline.
Except for the point, the still point
There would be no dance,
and there is only the dance.
When you mentioned still point in your other post, I wondered if you
referencing this poem, an unforgettable favorite one that those words
remind me of too. Since people seem to get away with anything here at
olde NDS, maybe we can communicate in poems, why not? No one listens
else's preferences. Let them eat prose! But first, I ran across this
Merton quote which reminded me of you and your love of doubt and
Don't mind too much the "unidentifiable God" line, that is the best
kind. I had
to get up some nerve to send this to you, because if you want to trash
it will be hard for me to listen to that. ~~Love, Glo
Thomas Merton, in Disputed Questions
The solitary may well beat his head against a wall of doubt.That may
well be the full extent of his contemplation. Do not mistake my
is not a question of intellectual doubt, an analytical investigation
theological, philosophical or some other truths. It is something else,
of unknowing of his own self, a kind of doubt that questions the very
of his own existence, a doubt which undermines his very reasons for
and for doing what he does. It is this doubt which reduces him finally
silence, and in the silence which ceases to ask questions, he receives
only certitude he knows : The presence of God in the midst of
nothingness, as the only reality but as a reality which cannot be
Hence the solitary man says nothing, and does his work, and is
( or perhaps impatient, I don't know ) but generally he has peace. It
the world's kind of peace. He is happy, but he never has a good time.
knows where he is going, but he is not "sure of his way," he just
going there. He does not see the way beforehand, and when he arrives,
arrives. His arrivals are usually departures from anything that
"way." That is his way. But he cannot understand it. Neither can we.
To paraphrase John Donne:
Ask not who is fucked, for it
is thee, it is thee.
Throw not a thing in the garbage,
unless you are willing to throw
everything in the garbage.
Now that everything else has been
disposed of, throw the only awake
being in the universe in the garbage.
Now, everything has been disposed of.
There is nothing left to get rid of.
Namaste. My Guru, Sri Ramana Maharshi, taught me that the
silent mind of Advaita is "not two" (non dual) . Since this E group is
grounded in non duality may I ask: Is the "liar" different than the
"believer"? ...And Who is it that ponders this question or asks it?
Only by means of self enquiry is realization of the silent, non-dual-
egoless mind possible.
Abiding in and being the Self is realization.
A teacher who does not listen cannot teach.
A student who does not question cannot learn.
How much difference is there between them?
A sage who justifies his wisdom is not respected
A student who boasts of his learning is without merit.
All those who brag, student or teacher, fail to endure.
To persons who have discovered the Mystic Mind
such things, however glorious, however brilliant
are the rich detritus of fall rushing in winter's silence
decay awaiting heavy stillness of snow upon cedars.
Nothing good can come of them until they are
burnt to white ashes and smoke in the Sacred Heart.
Mary quotes from ANTHONY DEMELLO'S
"One Minute Wisdom"
To a disciple who begged for wisdom
the Master said, "Try this out: Close
your eyes and see yourself and every
living being thrown off the top of a precipice.
Each time you cling to
something to stop yourself from falling,
understand that it is falling too......"
The disciple tried it out and never
was the same again.
Telling the other guy what they are is
abusive. Accepting them for who they
are is loving.