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#5206 – Interview with Ramaji

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  • Jerry Katz
    #5206 – Interview with�Ramaji Leave a reply photo: Ramaji Ramaji ’s main mission is to spread practical non-dual teachings about the Heart on the right,
    Message 1 of 1 , Apr 17, 2014

      #5206 – Interview with Ramaji

      photo: Ramaji

      Ramaji’s main mission is to spread practical non-dual teachings about the Heart on the right, Amrita Nadi and Self-enquiry meditation in the Advaita enlightenment tradition of Sri Ramana Maharshi. Ramaji facilitates the non-dual spiritual awakening of the casual seeker and serious student alike via delivery of the RASA (Ramaji Advaita Shaktipat Attunement) non-dual transmission. He delivers RASA in person and long distance to groups or one on one over Skype. The RASA transmission takes only a few minutes, yet its spiritual benefits can last a lifetime. Physical distance makes no difference.

      Based on his own experiences, Ramaji has clarified and streamlined Self-enquiry for the West. Ramaji strongly encourages meditators to arrive at the thought-free state. By dwelling in and abiding as the thought-free state, the Self is realized.


      Listen/download: http://nonduality.net/16april2014_ramaji.mp3

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      Ramaji tracks:

      0:00 – 7:21 Introduction to Ramaji. Ramaji talks about how his book started and the nature of levels of consciousness. Compares his work to that of David Hawkins. Some spiritual biography. Function of empathy.

      7:21 – 14:22 Some of the people rated and their scores. Value of this work in getting a handle on assessing nonduality teachers. David Hawkins’ ratings compared. Nature of Ramaji’s evaluation process. Receptivity to “mental density” or “outer protective layer,” or “mental armor.”

      14:22 – 22:49 Ramaji gathering date on evaluations. Characteristics and features of different ratings levels with associated experiences described. Perfection of duality as it is at level 1000.

      22:49 – 25:10 Nature of level 1000. “Everything is I.” Universal I-consciousness. It is all myself.

      25:10 – 28:54 Mission to get everyone to level 1000. Value of RASA discussed. “I am kicking spiritual butt with this RASA thing.”

      28:54 – 32:15 Value of the great desire for enlightenment. Be honest with yourself. Enlightenment has to be your passion. Main problem is indifference. Value of meditating a half hour a day toward achieving world peace.

      32:15 – 38:37 The world as thought, corporations and the military as only thought based. All the masses have to do is start meditating and that would de-couple them from deep conditioning. Identification softens with meditation and space opens in our thought patterns. However, the masses are in a trance and kept in a trance by corporate advertising. “People think the world is real … and then torture themselves with it.” Being a human being: feel free, loving, peaceful.

      38:37 – 45:27 More levels discussed. 500′s, nature of. Average person is 210. Spirituality starts at 500. Serial killers are below 100. Dictators are below 200. 300: Tanya Harding. 400s are scientists, wealthy people. Bill Gates = 524. Oprah = 582. Above 628 you’re living in non-doership, you can do whatever arises which may appear to come from a low rating level.

      45:27 – 48:10 Potential for abuse if someone pretends they’re established in non-doership. Charles Manson mentioned. People rated 1000 are impeccable regarding abusive behaviour.

      48:10 – Jerry asks, “Ramaji, should people believe you?” A new level of purification after enlightenment, which is a function of non-doership.




      Excerpt from 1000: The Levels of Consciousness and a Map of the Stages of Awakening for Spiritual Seekers and Teachers,  by Ramaji
      Higher Is Not Always Better

      The transparent energetic clarity revealed to me by the LOC
      1000 person who is “lost in the Absolute” has no parallel in
      lower LOC levels. At the same time, since there are many “X
      factors” in the delivery of satsang, it is entirely possible that an
      enlightened teacher at a lower LOC may be presenting just the
      right quickening of consciousness for his or her students.
      It is natural to assume that “higher is better.” What matters
      most is the “chemistry” between the two of you.

      A higher LOC would be better for the teacher for their own
      sake, but it is entirely possible that a teacher with a lower LOC
      will be better for you. They may be easier to understand.
      Best-selling author Deepak Chopra (LOC 562) is not yet
      established in non-duality, yet his teachings have been a great
      help to many. The consensus is that Chopra has made great
      contributions to the modern non-duality movement.

      As an educator, Chopra is hard to beat, but more advanced
      and sophisticated students know that there is unparalleled
      value to being in the presence of one who is established in
      non-duality. In that case, Jeff Foster (LOC 678) and Scott
      Kiloby (LOC 754) are examples of accessible compassionate
      teachers who are well integrated in their realization. Likewise,
      both Gangaji (LOC 1000) and Francis Lucille (LOC 1000) offer
      liberating wisdom in a loving supportive context.

      Even though I returned to Ramana Maharshi (LOC 1000) and
      Nisargadatta Maharaj (LOC 1000) for clarification of many
      subtle yet critical points, Ramesh Balsekar (LOC 764) was the
      perfect guru for me in 1989. Ramesh’s message, down to the
      exact words the he spoke in person to me, was precisely what
      I needed to hear. The alignment itself was what mattered.
      My conclusion from my spiritual initiation with Ramesh
      Balsekar is that the LOC of the teacher is not the most critical
      factor. Obviously, you want him to be stabilized in non-
      duality. The “transcendental” attunement between your
      awakened guru and you, the sincere disciple, is the key.

      The purpose of this book is to elucidate apparent differences
      between teachers in their presence, behavior and message.
      When the facts are laid out, it appears that guru misconduct is
      much more likely with teachers in the 600s and 700s.
      The classic forms of misconduct are very familiar to us. Four
      big areas show up again and again. They are abuse of power,
      abuse of money, abuse of drugs and abuse of sex.

      Of course, these are the same exact areas that exploitation,
      misconduct and abuse can be found in worldly contexts like
      politics, sports, business and entertainment. The guilty party
      is usually a man, but not always. Women seem to be less
      prone to scandalous behavior, but then they are not as likely
      to be in a position of authority where misconduct is possible.
      There is no simple explanation for this problem. In the case of
      spiritual teachers, it is possible to come out too early publicly
      as a teacher. In theory this should not make a difference, but
      in practice a major awakening takes time to stabilize and
      integrate. Coming out a few months or a few years after your
      breakthrough into non-duality could be counterproductive.
      There is no hard and fast rule about this. It is more a case of
      “By their fruits you will know them.” Most people are not
      even remotely prepared for being in a position of authority
      where sex, money and recreational drugs may be made
      available without the conventional rules or limits. Much like
      the people who win the lottery and proceed to ruin their lives,
      too much of a good thing can easily turn out extremely bad.

      After a sage is ensconced in this position of authority, it will
      be the rare teacher who decides that he or she needs to step
      down and take a break. Usually a crisis needs to occur before
      such an action takes place. Even then the sage may deny any
      wrongdoing. As the saying goes, an ounce of prevention is
      worth a pound of cure. That means wait until you’re ready.
      To use traditional language, in the LOC 800s sages and above
      a purification process has taken place that the teachers in the
      lower non-dual LOCs have not gone through. This includes
      deeply buried emotional traumas but is not limited to that.
      The progression from the lower non-dual LOCs to the higher
      non-dual LOCs on up to LOC 1000 is not just a matter of going
      higher in consciousness. The final stabilization in the Absolute
      is a full resolution of the world and the other. Love has been
      fully integrated into the path. When you are a teacher at this
      level, the student you are teaching is your very own beloved
      Self. The evidence is strong that impeccable purity is more
      likely to be found the higher you go on the LOC scale.
      Highly revered masters like Ramana Maharshi and
      Nisargadatta Maharaj were impeccable in their behavior as
      well as in the clarity and effectiveness of their non-dual
      message. They represent the gold standard to which the
      majority aspire but to which only a minority attain.

      “Self-realization” has been used to describe an absolute
      separation between the “realized” and the “not realized.” The
      evidence does not support this idea. Parallel to the evolution
      of life on earth, there is unfoldment over time and integration.

      Progression upwards in the non-dual LOCs means that the
      mind becomes more and more attenuated until, at LOC 1000,
      it finally disappears. It can be argued that the mind continues
      with the difference that it is no longer a problem for the sage.
      Either way, the mind as such is gone. Now there is Silence,
      and in this Silence, thoughts may or may not arise.

      To attain enlightenment and get established in non-duality is
      one thing. To live as a human being who compassionately
      embodies the truth “All is my very Self” is quite another.
      If the apparent other human being in front of you is indeed
      you, if they too are this Buddha Nature, then surely the last
      thing you would dream of doing would be to hurt, harm, limit
      or confuse them. After all, you are only hurting yourself.
      In Buddhist circles, this challenge has been posed as “Would
      you do this [act of misconduct] to someone you know for sure
      is a Buddha?” Christians may ask “What would Jesus do?” The
      answer is obvious in both cases, yet misconduct continues.
      Clearly, these forces run very deep. Non-dual awakening does
      not mean that every twisted knot of the subconscious has been
      burned through and resolved. It does not mean that terrible
      traumas from past lives and this life have been handled. One
      of the gifts of awakening is that now you are in a position to
      dig up and resolve submerged conflicts that the empirical ego,
      when it ran the show, would not let rise to the surface.

      At the “top of the mountain,” life is service. If everyone is your
      beloved Self, then the ongoing daily suffering of these others
      is your suffering also. There is no room for selfish behavior.
      You live for the realization of all beings, for they are you.

      Because you love yourself without limits or conditions and all
      is your Self, this is inevitably true. How this will look to others
      cannot be predicted. In your heart of hearts, you will know
      that you are on an authentic path of compassionate love.
      The teacher of non-duality is a doctor for the deeper soul. All
      of us who seek to minister to the spiritual needs of others will
      do well to remember the words of the father of modern
      medicine, Hippocrates” “First do no harm.”

      To rework a familiar discussion, at issue is not so much if the
      teacher is “halfway up the mountain” or even “half-baked.”
      The concern is whether they are integrated and capable of
      profound and consistent love, service and sacrifice on a day to
      day basis. The dynamics of teacher-student relationships,
      including the tricks and traps as well as the rewards, are
      lucidly covered by transpersonal psychotherapist Mariana
      Caplan in her book The Guru Question.

      ~ ~ ~

      Order 1000 at www.amazon.com/1000-Consciousness-Awakening-Spiritual-Teachers/dp/1497433401/

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