Interview with Elena
"This was a delightful interview. Almost as though Jerry
and I were sitting in his kitchen in Halifax, Nova Scotia, drinking tea. This is
how Russian friends usually meet - in the kitchen by the tea pot. The
conversation just rolls about anything that comes up, and between friends there
are no places where the conversation can't go. So this was just like that. Very
lighthearted talk where many people's names who helped me to do this work, came
up with much gratitude and appreciation. And some of the nonduality teachers
names came up with all the respect to our own uniqueness, that creates the
variety of the work we do.
"Jerry and I spoke a lot about this and that, and I think
people might be curious in a simple conversation. Many are tired to hear about
awarness and awakening, emptiness and void. People want human talk, but also we
had some of that "awakening stuff" in between, so we covered it
"What I am looking for in this interview is people's
relation to me as one of them (and its true) , approachable and ordinary (all
true), at the same time I want to evoke curiosity to look for themselves, like i
did. Hope this was the essence of the interview."
0:00 - 2:49 Light-hearted opening. Elena not seeing
herself as a teacher, rather a sharer.
2:49 - 4:49 Giving compared to sharing. Sharing coming out
4:49 - 8:58 Charisma possessed by teachers or sharers.
Elena speaks about why she thinks she is effective as a sharer.
8:58 - 13:51 Role of curiosity in her spiritual
milestones. Encouraging curiosity about language. Elena gives the example of
curiosity around "sitting" and shows how it leads to clear seeing.
13:51 - 20:04 Elena's spiritual journey as reclusive and
why she started to search. Her life with vipassana meditation discussed. How it
created the sense of separation and the urge to look elsewhere. Value of
attending an Adyashanti retreat. Asking what is true.
20:04 - 23:55 Elena feeling that she was standing at the
gate. Seeing illusion of self. Seeing what is real and pointing the mind toward
26:27 - 33:36 Elena's in-person teaching. John R. Shirley
invited Elena to Florida for meetings. Invited to Costa Rica by Gonzalo
Fernandez. Profound value of relationship with Shane Wilson.
33:36 - 36:33 Meditation as purification. Elena's work as
radical. Value of meditation or practice when conditioning arises strongly. Help
with integration. Pamela Wilson, Scott Kiloby, and Rupert Spira mentioned as
helping with integration.
36:33 - 42:16 Elena is asked about value of outsiders when
locals are available. Why bring in outside teachers? Gonzalo Fernandez, Alvaro
Lopez, Jenny Ortuno mentioned. Local meetings in Costa Rica.
42:16 - 45:13 Elena's work as not progressive, only one
look to see illusion of self, therefore different than satsang. Her work is more
focused. Value of local groups discussed.
45:13 - 50:11 Liberation Unleashed discussed as a
movement. It's nature. Ilona Ciunaite mentioned. Elena's book and how it got
written. It can be seen that no one wrote the book, rather it is a kind of
50:11 - 54:33 The sense that nothing is happening while
much is happening. Limitations of language in talking about these things.
Meaning of "I am That" discussed. Via Negativa. Experience itself.
54:33 - 55:36 Elena speaks of taking care to not mix
methods. She doesn't ask, "Who is looking?" but she arrives in the same place as
55:36 - 1:03:06 Gary Falk mentioned. Being silent
together. Elena talks about the kinds of audiences at her meetings. Some are
more energetic, some are more relaxed. Elena's preference. Inspiring people to
look. Nature of attention. "Clear seeing is not peace." People's expectation.
Working on integration. The moment when people realize the self doesn't
1:03:06 - 1:06:26 Elena's feelings about holding meetings
and being seen as a teacher. The nature of how her meetings unfold.
1:06:26 - 1:14:17 Elena talks about Korean sauna she goes
to. Elena's childhood, growing up. Volcanos. Sauna as a pointer to illusion of
self. Sweat lodges and Vipassana as ways to see if there is a self that chooses
sensations. Shinzen Young's sauna meditation as a way of feeling sensations of
1:14:17 - 1:18:47 Elena talks about her house catching
fire. Pamela Wilson mentioned. Value of hearing that others are having a hard
time. Breaking up of her family and job. Meaning of this falling apart.
1:18:47 - 1:21:06 Anything not aligned with your essence
will be destroyed. You function from inspiration, not motivation and gain
clarity about what to do.
1:21:06 - 1:28:07 We talk about making money in nonduality
and Elena is very open about it. Respecting people's service. Wanting to share
donations with those who volunteer at her meetings.
1:28:07 - 1:34:58 Giving and receiving. Rita Friedman
mentioned as example. Conditioning with regard to giving and receiving. Elena
talks about Florida. Miracle as total flow and as life unfolding.
1:34:58 - 1:38:46 Elena talks about having the best time
in Costa Rica. Jenny Ortuno mentioned. Elena talks about meetings and the
awareness of people who attend with regard to direct pointing. Cesar Teruel,
Gonzalo Fernandez, and Unmani Liza Hyde mentioned.
1:38:46 - 1:40:32 Working with people who are confused, at
their end, no longer believing anything. Conclusion.