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  • Gloria Lee
    JUDI Here s something I found tonite from Saniel.. It´s Never Enough, Is It? (or- You Mean This Is IT?! ) So we´re dying even while living, always fending
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      JUDI

      Here's something I found tonite from Saniel..


      It´s Never Enough, Is It? (or-"You Mean This Is IT?!")

      So we´re dying even while living, always fending off death just to stay
      here-but we have to keep moving forward just to be here, and life is
      full of setbacks no matter how hard we try to avoid them.
      Life is always pushing us back, until at last it pushes us right back
      out of it. No matter how hard we push forward to stay here, sooner or
      later we´re back out the door.

      I´m not saying that all of this is the way life always is for everybody.
      Some people appear to be able to be here without moving forward much at
      all. They find a niche in life and appear content to occupy it without
      much challenge or complaint.

      If you´re reading this book, that is not likely to be so for you. My
      hunch is that you´re one of the dissatisfied characters for whom,
      whatever fulfillment you may be enjoying in any and all areas of life,
      it´s never enough.

      A couple of chapters back I mentioned that my partner Fay is, as I
      write, beginning to recover from an injury suffered in an automobile
      accident. She happened to remark to her dentist, a renowned specialist
      whom I´ve met, that I am writing a new book.

      Now this man is an accomplished allopathic physician with an office near
      the financial district in downtown San Francisco. He is in no sense a
      spiritual seeker by any of the criteria that most self-styled seekers
      would apply. Nor does he appear-in the focused activities of his
      dentistry-to have any serious bent toward psychological
      self-exploration. One would not think, at least to listen
      to his conversation, that he has spent years in psychoanalysis or
      therapy. So when he asked her what the book´s title is, Fay hesitated,
      wondering what he was going to make of it.

      To her surprise, he was completely taken by the phrase, "the core
      wound." She mentioned
      something to him, I believe, about how hard it is to be here. Without
      any further prompting, he shared with her a primary experience of his
      early life.

      As a boy, he lived in an area of low mountains. At times, he said, he
      would run to the top of some mountain or other, looking to find he knew
      not what, but something, something more, something sufficient, at the
      peak.

      Yet when he got there, whatever he found or felt, he said, it was never
      enough. Never enough. Upon returning home, he would tell his mother, in
      disappointment, "It´s not enough. It´s just not enough."

      When I heard of this conversation, I was struck by its raw simplicity.
      It moved me that this man translated my phrase "the core wound" into his
      own experience-of how, even from his boyhood, life has never given him
      enough. Whatever it has given, it has never been enough.

      When, more recently, Fay heard my initial title for this chapter-"It´s
      Never Enough, Is It?"-she added, "Or, 'you mean this is IT?!´" I had to
      laugh and made sure to include her addendum. That does say it. How many
      times have we achieved some sought-after mountaintop, a pinnacle of
      long-desired accomplishment or circumstance, only to feel, precisely,
      "You mean this is IT?! This isn´t even close to what I thought it was
      going to be! This is not IT. Not even close."

      In a later discussion, our friend and colleague Van pointed out that it
      often takes a long time for us to notice the "not-enough-ness" of our
      various "Its." Of course, he is quite right. This is what makes the
      discovery of great wisdom such a long passage. Every human being is busy
      seeking, finding, holding onto, or losing one or many desired goals or
      attainments. A love relationship, a child, money, spiritual experiences,
      a long vacation, favorite food, drink, or entertainment, intellectual or
      material success-the list is inexhaustible for us as a species but
      pretty concise for each individual.
      Just being alive is of course one major such goal or attainment-thus,
      the effort, energy, and anxiety that forever accompanies the act of
      surviving. And it takes a long time, for most people, to realize that
      any particular "IT" they seek to grasp or hold on to while surviving
      here is not sufficient. It takes time to learn that no such "It" can
      provide the satisfaction, bliss, freedom, fulfillment, security, or
      peace they thought it would.

      What that means, Van also remarked, is that many of us spend years
      nurturing the feeling that our "Its" really are giving us the
      satisfaction, bliss, etc., that we seek from them. In other words,
      people are often slow to understand that what they once thought, felt,
      and experienced to be "IT" for them is not "IT" after all. Any thing
      they can experience, even a temporary spiritual epiphany of
      limitlessness, sooner or later reveals its own limits. In so doing, it
      ceases to satisfy and fulfill.

      This discussion leads us into the heart of the matter at hand, the
      essence of the core wound.

      Saniel Bonder

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      JERRY

      Sometimes I get the feeling there are people who have
      stopped growing, who are perfectly still, virtually dead.
      Their writing is so final. Like death.

      Yet some do speak with finality and retain a sense of
      vitality. Perhaps it is because they are processing
      suffering all the while, and there is no finality to
      suffering. Suffering is life.

      To speak with finality and to not be responsible for
      suffering, for life, is to mimic and mock those who are
      responsible and speaking with finality.
      -----------------

      I offer this as an inquiry, "Processing suffering?".

      ____________________________________________________

      MICHAEL

      A part of the appearance of life. Suffering is ok as far as
      it goes. But, suffering only will take a person so far and
      no farther. As a prod to reach for something more, suffering
      has its place. Suffering can become addictive. We can be overwhelmed
      with suffering. As one who has suffered grandly, I know!

      Suffering sucks! Thank God suffering ends. :-))

      > >
      > > To speak with finality and to not be responsible for
      > > suffering, for life, is to mimic and mock those who are
      > > responsible and speaking with finality.

      Sometimes, mockery is the best medicine! Poor whiners! Snap out
      of it!

      The 'AM' is responsible for all of the suffering. The
      murdering and the torturing and the starving of this illusory
      world are 'done' by the 'AM'. Yes, when that 'awakened' state
      happens one may see/be the suffering and accept the responsibilty
      for it. One also accepts the responsibility for all of the joy
      and beauty as well.

      > >
      > > Jerry
      >
      > I offer this as an inquiry, "Processing suffering?".
      >

      The seeker asks, "Why me, God, oh why me?"
      And God responds, "Oh I don't know.
      There's just something about you that pisses me off!" :-))


      HAHAHAH and HOHOHO!

      Peace - KaBoom! Zap! Yeowch! I surrender! - Michael

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      GATOR

      Gator here... A newbie lurky about... "To die before you die..." "To be born
      again..." one must die! Yet, it seems abnormal to seek out suffering and become a
      sacrificed whatever... but the devotee chooses not to avoid suffering. Suffering
      allows powerful energies of a "Self" to burn away the impure within the psyche. Yet,
      with a constant thought of remembering the Divine (whatever one calls God), suffering
      is less noticeable. And, it is true, that each new birth there must be a breaking
      down of the old (seemingly) patterns, and the suffering process produces the tears
      that washes clean of what is observed. Suffering unlocks the door of the heart, and
      such opening is an act of grace. Such is the contradictions of the pathless path,
      IMHO.

      Smiles... Gator (that is, Robert Ryder - I wonder if Mitch knows me?)
      ____________________________________________________________________

      MELODY


      Hi Michael,

      I have never met anyone who said that being mocked
      helped them 'snap out of it'. Are you speaking from
      experience? If so, would you share your story of deep
      suffering, and how someone mocking you freed you from
      it?

      Inquiring minds want to know.

      Melody
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      MICHAEL

      Sure, that's an easy one to provide an example or two for.

      Have you ever gently teased one of your children into smiling
      and laughing when they were crying because someone hurt
      thier feelings?

      Cruel mockery, no. Gently pointing, and prodding, yes - sometimes.

      I'm not saying that all medicines or one medicine is appropriate
      for each hurt. Sometimes the best medicine for pain is just to
      hug and hold and say, "There, there, it's okay. We love you."

      Sometimes it's better to say, "Aw, shut up and get over it!" ;-)
      Or, "Are you done now?"

      Let Heart be your guide in this. There are a thousand things to
      make one ill - a thousand things to cure one's ills. (This
      from the Aquarian Gospel, I think.)

      Loveya, Melody!

      HAHAHAH and HOHOHO!

      Peace - Darn, that smarts! - Michael
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      One more example then I simply must head for the office!

      This one might be considered as the Universe responding - or not. :))

      About four years ago I was going through some major pain and
      suffering. I prefer not to relate the story. It's just a story.
      Suffice it to say that 'boy, life sucked!' :-(

      I was reading some self-help text and this gift was given:

      The text asked the question about suffering, 'Why, me?'
      The answer was, 'Why not you? What makes you so special that
      you shouldn't suffer?'

      The feeling was the Universe was throwing all of my suffering
      back into my face and just laughing IT's ass off! And, inviting
      me to laugh along! So I did! :-)))))))))))

      HAHAHAH and HOHOHO!

      Peace - Michael
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      MOD TOLLENS replies to Jerry

      > Sometimes I get the feeling there are people who have
      stopped growing, who are perfectly still, virtually dead.
      Their writing is so final. Like death.
      <

      The 'personal i' may simply have disappeared.

      >Yet some do speak with finality and retain a sense of
      vitality.<

      The world may seem infinitely more glorious, but
      without a personal i, who is there to enjoy it?

      >Perhaps it is because they are processing
      suffering all the while, and there is no finality to
      suffering. Suffering is life.
      <

      Without a personal sense of i, one can hardly
      call it suffering. Perhaps one can, but what's
      the point?

      > Perhaps it is because they are processing
      suffering all the while, and there is no finality to
      suffering. Suffering is life.<

      Perhaps they see suffering, but see that it's
      absurd and inaccurate to say 'suffering' because
      there isn't anyone who suffers.

      >To speak with finality and to not be responsible for
      suffering, for life, is to mimic and mock those who are
      responsible and speaking with finality.<

      Only if the one speaking is speaking through the
      sense of a personal i.

      Thanks for your very interesting thoughts.
      Mod
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      and JERRY responds

      >
      > The 'personal i' may simply have disappeared.

      How can that be understood? Ask the one whose 'personal i'
      has disappeared, what that means, and they may provide an
      answer to satisfy you, but how could they know what that
      means? And what can I do with your statement? How can I
      understand it?

      With the physical, mental, emotional organism still alive
      and operating in the world it makes no sense to hear the
      sound of death in anyone's writing. Thanks for writing, by
      the way, Mod! If I hear the sound of death in another's
      writing, maybe it is because something is not moving in the
      organism. All the joy and pain, instead of being processed,
      is being blocked.

      I find that the best I can do
      is to acknowledge maya or suffering
      while keeping my attention on what might be called 'ground
      of being', 'I Am', 'deepest truth', or whatever one wishes.

      In that way I 'process' the suffering, the pain and joy,
      maya. It means I process Everything, including processing.

      A person can speak and sound wise and wonderful, yet have
      stopped the processing. It could be that they simply have
      become unfeeling. It can be very difficult to know whether
      suffering is being processed or whether a barrier has been
      erected.

      __________________________________________________________>
      > The 'personal i' may simply have disappeared.

      How can that be understood? Ask the one whose 'personal i'
      has disappeared, what that means, and they may provide an
      answer to satisfy you, but how could they know what that
      means? And what can I do with your statement? How can I
      understand it?

      With the physical, mental, emotional organism still alive
      and operating in the world it makes no sense to hear the
      sound of death in anyone's writing. Thanks for writing, by
      the way, Mod! If I hear the sound of death in another's
      writing, maybe it is because something is not moving in the
      organism. All the joy and pain, instead of being processed,
      is being blocked.

      I find that the best I can do
      is to acknowledge maya or suffering
      while keeping my attention on what might be called 'ground
      of being', 'I Am', 'deepest truth', or whatever one wishes.

      In that way I 'process' the suffering, the pain and joy,
      maya. It means I process Everything, including processing.

      A person can speak and sound wise and wonderful, yet have
      stopped the processing. It could be that they simply have
      become unfeeling. It can be very difficult to know whether
      suffering is being processed or whether a barrier has been
      erected.

      _____________________________________________________

      DANIEL HELLER



      According to my gurus Wayne and Ramesh, the idea "all there is, is
      Consciousness" is, like every other thing/thought/words/phenomena, a
      concept. No concept is the truth:

      "The tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao"


      The usefulness of the concept is to remove other concepts we have
      mistakenly adopted as true, such as: "I am this body and mind, I am
      so and so born on such date to those parents."

      I am told that we are the limitless absolute, beyond time and space,
      the source of all. That's what the sages say, but for me it is still
      rumor only.

      Maybe I'm a sucker, but I buy it.

      Love
      D
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      GLORIA

      Here is a quote from Jack Kornfeld's new book, After the Ecstasy, the
      Laundry.

      "Mother Teresa spoke of "seeing Christ in the poor and sick" The poet
      Rumi longs for the Divine: "In the face of everything separate, I want
      to see only You." And when he remembers there is nothing but God (Buddha
      Nature), he laughs and says, "Why struggle to open a door between us
      when the whole wall is an illusion?" With every in and out breath, with
      every mouthful of food, with every word we voice, we express our
      interbeing with all that lives....

      We exist in a mandala of wholeness amidst a sea of Buddhas, visible
      whenever we open the eyes of love and wisdom."

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