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#3986 - Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - Editor: Jerry Katz

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    #3986 - Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - Editor: Jerry Katz The Nonduality Highlights - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NDhighlights ... James Traverse responds to
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      #3986 - Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - Editor: Jerry Katz
      The Nonduality Highlights - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NDhighlights

      James Traverse responds to the interview with Scott Kiloby reported in Issue #3985
      Hey Jerry,
      Thanks and Thank You to Scott.
      I feel that Scott's description of his nondual journey is very much like the Zen commentary...
      First there are mountains
      Then there are no mountains
      Then there are mountains
      I feel that Scott communicated the distinction well when he described Nonduality as 'seeing through' and qualified it by saying that this 'seeing through' is seeing the idea of separation and a separate self as just that - ideas, mental constructs, or beliefs... I describe this as seeing 'with' the mind (rather than allowing Awareness to do what it naturally does which is to be aware/to see).
      Said another way, I say that 'seeing with the mind' is the process of separation.
      I also like to speak about 'seeing through' - in my case it is Awareness that sees through the mind whereby the mind is the instrument of Awareness and wherein the mind itself is seen as a form of Awareness; And similar to Scott's usage, it is Awareness that 'sees through' the false by seeing it as it is.
      Lastly I resonate with Scott's views on the inclusive nature of Nonduality such that it includes the 'play' (lila) as duality; it is like the comment that is common to many wisdom traditions "without God it cannot be done; without human beings it will not be done" - (formlessness expresses itself in form | form is emptyness ~ emptyness is form).
      Much Love,

      James Traverse, teacher of nondual Yoga for 25 years, was the first interview on Nonduality Street. I kept a little of the conversational repartee at the beginning because it leads right into the more formal interview and talks about the intent for the radio show. Listen to my interview with James Traverse here:
      James's website is
      James, I look forward to meeting you and a few others at Starbuck's for our MeetUp in a few weeks. Anyone who will be in Nova Scotia is welcome:
      And please, no Starbucks jokes anyone.

      Starbucks Spirituality

      I used that expression today, saying that Starbucks Spirituality tasted
      of the paper cup. I don’t have to explain what I meant by that. Twitter,
      Facebook and anything with “e” before it tends to be fairly generic. For
      myself I  prefer to make my own brew and drink it like green tea, with
      mindfulness and in the comfort of my own home.

      I love to brew a cup of wisdom and sit silently with it. I watch my mind
      slow down and my body along with it. My emotions are placid and life is
      good. I have to choose to do this; otherwise I am running on autopilot.
      I find myself standing in a long Starbucks line where people are
      espousing half-caf wisdom to go. Slow down, folks, this is your life you
      are are rushing through.

      As I sit with myself, I am able to see things passing across the sky of
      my mind. At first the airlane may be crowded with thoughts lining up in
      a holding pattern. But the longer I sit, the quicker the planes land and
      disperse their passengers.  On the whole they were just restless
      thoughts carrying my emotional baggage as they deplaned. What’s left is
      silence. I sit in the deserted holding gate and see that there are no
      more planes in sight. I go to the window and look up at the stars.

      Vicki Woodyard
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