JUDI on HUMILITY
To a visitor who described himself as a seeker after Truth the Master
"If what you seek is Truth, there is one thing you must have above all
"I know. An overwhelming passion for it."
"No. An unremitting readiness to admit you may be wrong."
Anthony de Mello, SJ
COMMENTS on "A Vulgar Alarm"
Well put Nullone, i often have the same feelings about some of the
stuff that people prattle on about here (or anywhere). But my
question to you is; are you going to be a part of the problem or a
part of the solution? (sorry about being so dualistic). What that
means is: are you going to actually participate here (rather than
just continuing to be a voyuer) and try to bring the topic of
conversation in a direction that you feel is more in line with our
higher impulses. Or will you just continue to criticize. Constructive
criticism (for which i give you the benefit of the doubt, and take
your post to be)is always useful. After that, it is either put up or
shut up. Or is that shit or get off the pot? Or is it, if the Foo
shits, wear it? Or put your best foot forward? Oh hell i can never
keep all these things straight. It's a good thig realization doesn't
depend on having a good memory and having to understand anything.
NULL ONE (CARL)
here we go ...
there is no need for anything at all
yet if this group purports to be a vessel intended to take like-minded passengers to
a 'further shore', or at least attempt to, what happens to the boat if we all go so
exuberantly go off-topic?
the chatter in this group is a reflection of the chatter in our heads. what a
wonderful opportunity to see this! a mirror! insofar as we see and attempt to
transgress the condition, then we are fortunate, and there is nothing wrong with
anything going on here. otherwise what do you see? take a good look. a bunch of
personalities, a bunch of preferences, dislikes and allegiances. we get personally
involved, we piss around our bush and get territorial.
if you take 'it' seriously (yes in a fun way, but seriously), then you get indignant
when somebody neglects it, or craps on it, or makes its attainment more difficult for
'others' by any means, because it is a precious thing. you have felt its value. you
act on behalf of that which cannot speak for itself other than through your own
i want nothing more than for us to remember our original face. every one of 'us'.
yet some of my respondents, as you can see, feel as if they 'own' the group. and any
attempt to 'rock the boat' is taken as a personal affront. they 'own'. you can smell
the contempt. i'm unearthing shit. fertilizer, something to work with. none of it is
many of the responses to my VULGAR ALARM post illustrates it. the latest respondent
took 'ownership' in their own way by turning this forum into a personal
messageboard.if we cannot engage in the art of describing the indescribable (which
requires its living vision), then our time is better spent in pointing out the
un-artful than in going on about anything whatsoever. it's a back door. another
technique. the negative path.
we can arrive at a place where it becomes beautifully obvious that 'I' am talking to
'I' in other skins, other lives, over these wires, right now. you just have to want
to. that's all. anything less is relatively unmagical, and in this group it is also a
waste of opportunity.
the mind should just sit in the back seat and shut up.
nil most certainly est omnia
Null One (Carl) wrote:
> If this group never had it before, it now needs guidance. otherwise
> we're lost. and very very common.
I'd be glad to help!
You can only be lost if you think you're going somewhere.
Null One (Carl):
and you may not get anywhere, if you don't think you need to
********* Is that a problem?
The null set is less than nothing.
Pay it no heed! :-))
Laugh when happy
Cry when sad
Stub your toe
Curse like mad!
All of this crazy madcap universe is the play of THAT.
There is no duality. No difference between anything.
You can have all of the duality you want. Just remember that
it is all make-believe! :-))
Ranting and raving is not compassion - it is just ranting
and raving. Sound and fury signifying - nothing.
Carlos, use a dictionary and brush up on your grammar! Oh, one more
thing, shut your facist pie-hole, oh sanctimonious one. Offense
offered! :-)) no offense offered :-))
I AM THAT
HAHAHAH and HOHOHO!
Peace - Mu - Michael
There is not far, here is not near, the interior is not inside, the exterior is not
outside. The clear light of the moon shines unobstructed
in all places, where is there to go? The water in the pond is deep and transparent,
don't be startled when the wind blows. Let it be as it is.
There is no coming or going in emptiness. Because your cravings are many, you remain
bound to the world. Just don't keep the mind on appearances. The truth is told to
sweep away false ideas. If falseness does not appear, truth is invisible too. Know
that truth and falsehood are both not so.
Set the controls for the heart of the son...
ps I like nonsense, and I am going somewhere - past common into
universal... just the one song, thanks. of course this is evidence of
my egotism. I'm investigating my egotism. (and having temporary
experiences along the way...)
by the way, I like Carlos' little word things. yum.
i don't care what the fuck I'm talking about
Sincerely, Carl, thank for this.
There is much truth in your words, in every way.
To speak, to remove ones self from "nothingness" is to become dual.
It is an act of compassion, particularly when one knows what such
an act can mean.
I too realized, after your post, that I really was missing
silent time, time to clean up a bit.
But then, THIS is here for something. It's not always fun
and easy. Self realization involves THIS, the knowledge that
comes from the fabric of its experience.
So, I am glad you are with us. Just please remember the
compassion of our origninal face.
But thanks for the jolt anyways.
CEE on "kinder, gentler negation"
perhaps this is an easier way to grok* negation
it seems there is a world of difference between seeing and being. the world
of difference is
the world we see. if we allow ourselves to gently relax our attention on
what we are seeing
(be it the waking dream or the dreaming dream) we can kindly allow our
perception to release all it's objects.
all objects include who we see as our self and the environment that one
this is not a scary process because no matter how much you let go of,
who you really are will always always be there. radiant and innately free
what (who) is true is always always true. let the seer stand alone.
everything seen comes from and is dependent on the seer.
finding the essence of the seer is what we are looking for. (hehe)
harsha said it best, "when awareness remains pure and unfocused
[focused on nothing in particular and falling continuously upon itself,
*a nds generation term from a kurt vonnegut novel meaning to deeply understand
I am weak -- pathetic really.
If I were not:
I would always speak the truth from my heart.
I would speak to the wise essence of others
and not to the them that they know.
I would speak with an intonation
that shared the fullness of my being
instead of protecting and hoarding
what wealth made there lie.
Prayers would be unnecessary --
every utterance and thought would be a prayer.
Meditation would be redundant --
every step and gesture -- every movement
would be meditation.
If I could be myself
which is not myself
but of whose wholeness I am a part
-- whose allness breathes me --
I would gather friends around me
and delight but not be lost
in their company.
(c) Carlos Dwa 1999
XAN offers Gibran
Your joy is your sorrow unmasked.
And the selfsame well from which your laughter rises
was oftentimes filled with your tears.
And how else can it be?
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being,
the more joy you can contain.
Is not the cup that holds your wine the very cup
that was burned in the potter's oven?
And is not the lute that soothes your spirit,
the very wood that was hollowed with knives?
When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find
it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy.
When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see
that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight.
Some of you say, "Joy is greater than sorrow,"
and others say, "Nay, sorrow is the greater."
But I say unto you, they are inseparable.
Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board,
remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.
Verily you are suspended like scales between your sorrow and your joy.
Only when you are empty are you at standstill and balanced.
~ Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet
The purpose of being born is fulfilled
in the space between "I am ..."
and "... That."