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    #3738 - Monday, December 7, 2009 - Editor: Gloria Lee The Nonduality Highlights - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NDhighlights The difference between fiction
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      #3738 - Monday, December 7, 2009 - Editor: Gloria Lee

      The Nonduality Highlights - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NDhighlights

      "The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.” Tom Clancy
      posted to Wisdom-l by Mark Scorelle
      Photo by Alan Larus on Facebook

      This week we offer yet another brilliant dialogue with Greg Goode at The Open Awareness Study Group.  The OAS Group is an online Yahoo Group specifically designed to allow for intimate interaction in real time with quality non dual spiritual teachers.  The group has grown expotentially since StillnessSpeaks took it over. This will be the last time we announce the group, as there must be a limit to attendees to ensure a quality in the dialogues.

      To join this group on the web, go to:

      Standing Under "You"

      Question: What is the best way to come to the Understanding of this Impersonal Understanding?

      Greg Goode responds: 

       There is no single best way - what you might consider to be the "best" depends on so many things, including your purpose as you understand it at the present moment. And that may very well depend on the spiritual teachings that have been meaningful up to this point.

      But from the perspective of the direct path, the impersonal understanding is not something that you manage to have. It's not like a net of comprehension that you cast about reality. It's the other way around. The impersonal understanding is what is now "standing under" that which seems like you.

      This impersonal understanding is the background knowingness to which things appear. It is already you, and can't for a moment be departed from or lost. This can be checked easily. It seems like you are able to be noticed. Sometimes I'd venture to say that you aren't in great evidence, such as when other things are in effect, such as a beautiful sunset, etc. you and your thoughts and feelings come and go. But that to which these comings and goings appear doesn't come and go. It is the beingness of you, even in the momentary absence of your identity as a body and mind. In the momentary "presence" of you as a body and mind, this beingness is also there, unmoved, and totally unconditionally loving.

      This love, this beingness is already you. You can't "see" it - it is seeing you right this minute. Seeing you and being you....




      Hi Greg,
      I can conceptually deconstruct the belief of a "me" that is separate from life, from this, from all that is. I can at times simply rest as awareness. And yet there still arises this powerful feeling of a me. Any resting as awareness or intellectual understanding is swallowed up by this feeling and I am back to a me that suffers with this or that. It seems the intellect can unravel the belief in a me, but what vehicle can I use to unravel the feeling of a me... which seems to stand on its own regardless of reason.
      Thanks for your answer!


      Hi Dede,

      I see what you mean.  There are times that you rest as awareness, and 
      other times this resting seems totally disturbed by a feeling of a 
      separate me, and it seems like you were knocked off your stand as 

      You also mention intellectual understanding and reason as tools.  
      These are very good tools.  But if you are resting on the strength of 
      the tool of the intellect, then it's no wonder that this rest can be 

      But the good news is that you are not the intellect, and you are not 
      the user of the intellect.  The intellect is not your nature or tool.  
      What you are is the brilliant clarity of awareness.  As awareness, you 
      are that to which the intellect appears.

      You are that to which the deconstruction appears.  You are that to 
      which the feeling of the me appears.  That's right!  The feeling of a 
      me, now matter how intense, is just an appearance.  It is usually a 
      thought-form, a judgment based on certain feelings, expectations, 
      memories, values, hopes, desires, fears, bodily sensations, 
      contractions and other arisings.

      While all these things arise, abide and subside, YOU are there as the 
      witnessing awareness to which they appear.  YOU are there when they 
      are there.  And you are there when they are not there, which is most 
      of the time.  For example in most of the experiences of the day, that 
      "me" is probably not the appearance taking up center stage.  And 
      during certain experiences such as love, beauty, peace, that 
      particular appearance of "me" is not present at all.

      Now, the idea of this investigation is not to have really pleasant 
      experiences to that the appearance of "me" no longer arises.  For that 
      very expectation is part of the same bundle that the appearance of 
      "me" is composed of.

      Rather, the idea of this investigation is to see that the appearance 
      of "me" is not the true YOU.  YOU are that clear space within which 
      the "me" arises.  When this is seen, then the "me" has as much to do 
      with the true YOU as a flash of color of sound.  Just another arising 
      in awareness.  You, as awareness, are benevolently indifferent and 
      equally loving towards all arisings.  Even a supposed arising of a 
      preference to stop certain arisings is itself just another arising in 
      this same clear space.  YOU are equally embracing of all.

      When this is seen, the particular arisings that seemed to compete for 
      prominence lose their power.  They no longer seem definitive of who 
      you are.  They no longer claim front and center stage.  Because you 
      know that you aren't defined by any particular arising or set of 
      arisings.  You can't be any object in particular, since you are there 
      even if no objects are there (as in deep sleep or between thoughts).  
      You are the loving spaciousness within which they appear.

      So next time that "me" arises that seemed to outsmart intellectual 
      understanding, see that YOU stand as the background to all arisings, 
      lovingly allowing them to come, stay a while, and go....  You abide, 
      retaining the  sweetness of your embrace, throughout....



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