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    #3353 - Monday, November 17, 2008 - Editor: Gloria Lee Nonduality Highlights - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NDhighlights First, announcing an amazing
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      #3353 - Monday, November 17, 2008 - Editor: Gloria Lee
      Nonduality Highlights
      First, announcing an amazing website...

      "Believe Nothing. Explore Everything."

      Ostensibly devoted to Alan Watts.


      Hundreds of an incredible video cornucopia, including Tolle, Ramana
      Maharshi, Alex Grey, Deepak Chopra, Hopi, Terrence McKenna, George
      Carlin, Puppetji, Wayne Dyer, 2012, Timothy Leary, Osho.

      If I had another 10 lifetimes, there wouldn't be enough time to see
      them all.

      Happy browsing, I'm sure there's something for everyone.

      posted by Anna


      Whoever knows that the mind is a fiction and devoid of
      anything real knows that his own mind neither exists nor
      doesn't exist. Mortals keep creating the mind, claiming
      it exists. And arhats keep negating the mind, claiming it
      doesn't exist. But bodhisattvas and buddhas neither
      create nor negate the mind. This is what's meant by the
      mind that neither exists nor doesn't exist...

      from The Zen Teachings of Bodhidharma,
      translated by Red Pine (North Point Press, 1987)


      Despite traditions to the contrary, there simply cannot be true jnana without true bhakti, there cannot be the ultimate understanding without the ultimate surrender.  Certain personalities will try to avoid one or the other under the guise of some higher wisdom, but always at the cost of wholeness.

      There is a tradition that jnana is the higher path because the bhakta relies on a belief in someone or something to be devoted to, whereas the jnani knows there are neither. But true bhakti knows no object; and the true jnani knows nothing.

      David Carse

      posted to Wisdom-l by Mark Scorelle


      Becoming, which results from clinging, involves the idea of having or being something more satisfying than at present. We want to become a very good meditator, or we want to become spiritual, or more learned. We have all sorts of ideas but are all bound up with wanting to become, because we are not satisfied with what we are. Often we do not even pay attention to what we are now, but just know that something is lacking. Instead of trying to realize what we are and investigating where the difficulty actually lies, we just dream of becoming something else. When we have become something or someone else, we can be just as dissatisfied as before.

      -Ayya Khema, When the Iron Eagle Flies


      QUOTE: "The question is not 'what is the point of Zen' but rather,
      why do something that has no point, no rationale, no reason?  Why do
      something whose value is beyond value and worthlessness?  Why do
      something that is pointless as far as I can understand it to be?"

      Hiya -----!

      I appreciate your inquiry here, and I feel it is very sincere and
      appropriate, and so I'll offer some ramble for your consideration.
      Many people take up certain spiritual practices without questioning
      their deepest motivation, their own heart's primal mandate, and so
      miss the entrance door right from the beginning. This is unfortunate,
      since spiritual practices themselves are actually of no value, unless
      informed from the very beginning by heart honesty. What they have
      instead are self-based schemes and un-inspected strategies, usually
      fabricated on second-hand rumor and hopeful fantasy.

      Initially, we all assume that there are innumerable options in life,
      and so we experiment with this and that, but inevitably we may find
      that none of the options are truly satisfying. This recognition is a
      crucial turning point. As long as we believe that some method or
      other, some achievement or relationship or acquisition or
      manipulation of circumstances has the possibility of happiness, we
      will pursue it and invest our time and attention delving into it.
      Why? Everyone wants to be happy. However, only when we realize (or at
      least intuit) that none of these options contains the possibility of
      true satisfaction and peace at heart, are we ready to take up the
      practice of liberation.

      Zen is just another word for liberation practice, and so practicing
      Zen authentically is practicing liberation from this underlying
      chronic dissatisfaction that influences all the various choices we
      seem to make in life, choices pushing us here and dragging us there,
      so that we never come to rest. If one is feeling satisfied with
      things as they are in their life, then they won't have much interest
      in a deeper inquiry. Still, if they were to examine their sense of
      current satisfaction, they would likely realize that it is dependent
      on certain factors that are temporary, and hence such provisional
      satisfaction is standing on shaky ground. Things change, and even the
      most thrilling moments give way to the less thrilling. Impermanence,

      So, the heart has this deep primal yearning, and will not let us rest
      until it is quenched. Anything less than complete liberation will
      always come up short at the heart, and no matter how much we avoid
      this truth, the heart will find a way to remind us, by simply
      reflecting back to us our fundamental dissatisfaction and the
      conflicted sense of dilemma that permeates the ongoing narrative
      of "our life".

      Now, I'm going to say something that a lot of people here may not
      agree with, but what the hell -- Rinzai and Soto and all that other
      tradition business is just a load of desperate dreaming, and really
      no different than any of the other vain pursuits, until one awakens
      to their own heart. And one cannot awaken while the mind is occupied
      with dreaming. Liberation is the end of dreaming, but who truly wants
      the dream of "me" to end? After all, it's the only story we've really
      been interested in, so for that to dissolve terrifies us, and
      provokes a persistent reluctance to continue the inquiry, despite our
      best intentions. If we examine this dream story of self more closely,
      however, we can notice something critical about it, and that is -- it
      does not satisfy. Once all that is not true, not satisfying, is
      discarded, then there is the possibility of waking up to what is
      true, what is satisfying, and what constitutes true peace at heart.

      So Zen practice actually begins with this process of eliminating
      what's not true. One might even say that's the real point --
      surrendering what's not true, all of it. Letting go of everything.
      Why? Because the heart will not be satisfied with anything less than
      the full revelation of its primordial limitless nature, which is
      freedom, even in the midst of any apparent limitation. Zazen is the
      revelation, not the means to the revelation. As long as it is the
      means, it cannot be the thing itself, so to speak. We cannot become
      happy. We can only be happy. Zazen is not a position, but beingness
      itself -- awake awareness -- beyond but inclusive of both being and
      nonbeing, motion and rest. It's the happiness of the heart, plunged
      deep in itself, emerging as itself -- not as a person, not as
      anything with name or form, dogma or platform -- untethered, just

      posted by Bob O'Hearn


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