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    #3293 - Thursday, September 18, 2008 - Editor: Jerry Katz The Nonduality Highlights - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NDhighlights ... Charlie Hayes puts out a
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      #3293 - Thursday, September 18, 2008 - Editor: Jerry Katz

      The Nonduality Highlights - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NDhighlights
       
       

       
       
      Charlie Hayes puts out a very good weekly letter called Nowsletter. It is very new. I'm posting excerpts from his issue #3, the most recent one. You may register to receive the Nowsletter by visiting http://visitor.constantcontact.com/email.jsp?m=1101419473464.
       
      Each issue is beautifully designed and formatted as well as colorful. I'm posting bare bones text rather than the full formatting, which is what we tend to do in the Highlights.
       
       

       
       
      What's the "Answer"??
       
      Q: When the question is asked, "who am I?" the answer is felt to be "the one who is listening to that question". Is that correct? It seems that logically the answer should be "the one who is asking the question".
       
      C: Absolutely NOT. When that question is "answered" the inquiry is stopped. The deeper insight cannot come through the mind which is what answers. That is a tail-chasing loop of ignorance! THERE IS NO ANSWER. THAT IS "the answer". When THAT is seen - by no-one - the search ends, usually in gales of laughter!

      "You are bringing up questions which you alone can answer." - Sri Nisargadatta
       
      "There is no answer to life because life is its own answer. It's happening already. It's this. You never lost it. That's the amazing thing about liberation. When liberation apparently happens people say, "It's amazing because the thing I was looking for has never left me. It's the one thing that never comes and never goes - the one constant that can't be known or held onto." And the one constant is being". - Tony Parsons
       
       
      ~ ~ ~
       
       
      What Is THAT Which IS and Prior To Words?
       
      Pointers from John Wheeler
       
      "The point to all this is simple. Everything simply appears and disappears in consciousness. This consciousness is sometimes called the "witness" or the "I am". But consciousness itself is impermanent. It is just another appearance. If the consciousness or "I am" itself comes and goes, then what am I in the most fundamental sense? I must be that in which consciousness appears. That is the pure awareness that knows the coming and going of consciousness. That is the unconditioned, unmanifest, uncreated, unborn, prior-to-consciousness reality from which consciousness arises and into which it sets. That is your original nature prior to birth, meaning prior to the birth of "I am". That is not a state to be reached but the ever-present space in which consciousness manifests. Within physical space there may be light or darkness, but the space is neither light nor dark. Just so, consciousness (waking, dreaming, sensing, thinking, etc.) and non-consciousness (sleep, etc.) appear in a basic space of non-conceptual awareness that contains them both. What you are in the deepest sense remains regardless of the presence or absence of consciousness".

       
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      On The Pathless Path:
       
      All Appears IN and AS Blissful Being-Aliveness
       
      Q: I'm in and out of the story, sometimes; simultaneously in and out, usually more in than out, but I pride myself at how good I can be at non-conceptual awareness.
       
      C: Wow. Pride! Which definitely 'goeth before' a bigass FALL! And exactly who is going to EVER "be good at conceptual awareness"? You must see the infinite arrogance of that belief! 
       
      Q: Re: this "stay with the sense I am" [as pointed to by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj] in the interest of hastening my death. If I think "nonconceptual awareness" or "bare-naked awareness" I can instantly do that and it feels detached and sometimes blissful, but if I think, "stay with I am" I feel like I'm stuck in the ego or that it's a thought loop that's getting in the way of non-conceptual awareness.
       
      C: Whose death? What is that which was "born"? Only A thought! "I". And can a thought actually get in the way of Awareness? NO. Thoughts APPEAR IN Awareness. Like a cloud cannot affect the empty space of sky, a thought cannot actually touch or obscure Awareness. Now look: WHO "feels" or "thinks" these stories of a "me stuck"? You complain of ego. Show that ego to me! Look for an "ego". What is found?
       
      Does this "self center" or "discrete point of view" actually exist? What is the so-called self center or point of view made of? And who views what from such a point of view? Where is this viewing point located - exactly? Does it have any actual substance apart from a sometimes thought or sensation or perception? Is there seeing there right now? What sees? What hears? What is the space IN which all that story of a "poor me" who is seeking some resolution to a problem that does not even exist apart from imagination appears? What ARE "you"? Are you a thing apart from this Seamless Timeless Whole? If so what is it made up of? Who says and thinks "I am separated and want to become whole"? The "assumed person ' you'" - are a fictional character pretending mightily against all evidence that you are real and apart and this is pure imagination. You take a thought of I or ME on board and ASSUME you are that separate entity and that you have some power apart from the Universal Isness that is the Causeless Source of all that is and so "you" suffer. But it's all imagination; you are dreaming.
       
      Ponder these words of Sri Nisargadatta's:
       
      "Watch yourself closely and you will see that whatever be the content of consciousness, the witnessing of it does not depend on the content. Awareness is itself and does not change with the event. The event may be pleasant or unpleasant, minor or important, awareness is the same. Take note of the peculiar nature of pure awareness, its natural self-identity, without the least trace of self-consciousness, and go to the root of it and you will soon realize that awareness is your true nature, and nothing you may be aware of, you can call your own. When the content is viewed without likes and dislikes, the consciousness of it is awareness. But still there is a difference between awareness as reflected in consciousness and pure awareness beyond consciousness. Reflected awareness, the sense "I am aware" is the witness, while pure awareness is the essence of reality. Reflection of the sun in a drop of water is a reflection of the sun, no doubt, but not the sun itself. Between awareness reflected in consciousness as the witness and pure awareness there is a gap, which the mind cannot cross".
       
      Q: Also, you had a John Wheeler, so why can't I have a John Wheeler.
       
      C: First off WHO is that "I" that wants ANYTHING other than what is right here right now? Investigate! Secondly: Look, if you want to have a John Wheeler point out what is real and what is not, why not write to John Wheeler and not Charlie Hayes? Go see him. Set up a consultation call with him!
       
      Q: Will you be my John Wheeler?
       
      C: NO. (You're joking, right!?) LOOK: I am happy to point out what is real and what is not. Which is precisely what John Wheeler will more than likely do if you meet or speak with him! In his own unique fashion. LOOK: Find the expression that resonates vibrantly for that "entity you assume is you" and stick with his or her pointers until there is no false assumed personal entity believed in any more, never, ever, and the search is done once and forever.
       
      Q: I know that in non-conceptual awareness I'm already awake to some degree, but I'm definitely not dead, even though I could honestly say, "well, I'm not a
      seeker. I get it.
       
      C: What is the nature of that "I" that claims "I'm already awake to some degree"? Can't you see the bullshit in that "entity claiming some attainment" and declares it has happened "to me" and "to some extent" all of which reinforces the belief in a me and time? Moreover, the assumption "I get it" very simply proves that you do NOT "get it". THERE IS NOTHING TO GET AND NO ONE TO GET NOTHING.
       
      Q: This is all there is the one life happening only now, both dream and reality, the dream known, the reality unknown except that I am that reality and I allow that reality to run my life, beingness makes all my decisions, pretty much. Still, I'm definitely not dead. nyway, thank you for your YouTube videos.
       
      C: These "enlightened concepts" you spout and the actual Being This are noight and : These "enlightened concepts" you spout and actually Being This are night and day different. KEEP GOING. In Sri Nisargadatta's words, "The real exists and is of the nature of witness-consciousness. Of course it is beyond the witness, but to enter it one must first realize the state of pure witnessing. The awareness of conditions brings one to the unconditioned. We can talk only of the unreal, the illusory, the transient, the conditioned. To go beyond, we must pass through total negation of everything as having independent existence. All things depend on consciousness. And consciousness depends on the witness". Awareness of Being is Timeless Bliss, Perfect Peace -- now looking within your own Consciousness, ask YOU - WHO is aware of Being?
       
      And WHO or WHAT is this "I" you claim to be yourself that "assumes" this or that? You see, that I ITSELF is a mere assumption made in ignorance; that "I" thought has no actual substance, and zero independent power, and in Truth that "seperate I" does NOT exist. Yte EXISTENCE IS. Thie conceptual "I" POINTS to Timeless Being and when that concept is taken to be me there is much suffering. The cure os see that phantom I as a phantom! YOU as what you "know yourself as" are a nonexistent phantom, a ghost of wispy thought with no capacity to do or not do, to be ort not be, a damn thing.
       
      Q: So I practice "Who am I? And keep thinking "maybe the next video or rewatching the last one will tell me more about how to ask this question". I know I'm everything and nothing and not a person, yet I'm completely ignorant as
      the experience. Who am I? I assume if I ask this question in silence
      something is going to pop up some day and that will be that.
       
      C: This is NOT an "experience"! Awareness is NOT a thought or a feeling, not a perception or a sensation! As to "your doing", you will do the next thing. The immeasurable forces that comprise Being, Consciousness, Aliveness - Life Itself, Totality, will push that organism and the assumed entity to the next thing with no struggle or effort. If the assumption remains operational under the covers, like DOS code under the Windows graphical appearance, that "you" must "figure this out" and "get some attainment someday" then ask WHO believes this? WHO AM I?
      The question "who am I" is NOT asked to get any answer or any attainment. In Sri Ramana Maharshi┬┤s words, "The thought 'who am I' will destroy all other thoughts and in that thought itself will also be destroyed, like a stick used to stir a fire is also burnt up in the end -- " to dissolve the false belief in being a separate entity that must manage and create and exert some will or intention and try (and ALWAYS fail) to make it's life work - and the fact is that belief in being a "me" IS the root cause of all suffering. Remove the cause (that false belief in 'me') and can the effects remain? No. that final question asked relentlessly is a simple means that many have found just flat works.
       
      If that doesn't work keep looking. This pathless path is made in the walking which NO ONE does. Everything is One Essence appearing as nothing and everything and the whole show between.
       
      Stay simple and be in touch is spirit so moves that happening in This Awareness that is Real. Good luck and much love!
       
      Follow-Up:
       
      Q: Thank you for the fantastic stuff. Here's an update: [It is seen that] awareness sees the repeated question "who am I?' rattle around in the brain, betraying the brain as a limited tool devoid of self-identity.
       
      Any sense of needing to talk to the teacher is part of the dream, an imaginary teacher teaches an imaginary student neither are real. any sense of needing a future is false, (part of the dream), any sense of desire or fear is false. utterly full and complete present-awareness is the only reality. It is who I am, immutable, eternal, now, one without a second, infinite love, generosity and peace. What unfolds from here? More here!
       
      C: ALL very well said. Welcome to the Home You Never Left! :-) Much Love!
       
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