NDS digest for Tuesday, June 22
- Nondual Digest - for Tuesday, June 22, 1999:
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It has been brought to my attention that
there is some disappointment with my editing
of discussions between individuals
....that one may be seen as asking a question
in search of an answer, when, in fact the
question was meant to be rhetorical.
Often, I do choose to include the question,
even though it may not have been *intended* as
a question, simply to provide the context to what
I deemed an interesting or insightful response.
I will continue to include the 'questions', for
the sake of clarity. However, from here foward,
I will include them without attribution.
I apologize for any discomfort my editing may
have caused anyone. As always, I continue
to appreciate your feedback.
Judi fowarded a
post by Eugene Wyatt:
I know little about traditional views of Karma, rebirth, past lives, future
births, etc. and the reason for not looking further into these subjects is
that I am occupied by the present, with the present and in the present.
All my thoughts and actions occur in the present, not in the past nor in
the future. I drink this Darjeeling tea in the present, not in the past; I
write this email in the present, not in the future. So there my life is,
in the present, at once available and unavailable to me, this is paradox
and paradox is a language of mysticism. The present is mystical and real
to me. The past and the future are fictions of the present, they are not
mystical and they are not real to me.
What lead me to dismiss Karma as anything I should spend time thinking
about was the simple observation that if I behaved, thought and acted
properly in the present I had nothing to worry about or hope for in the
fictions of the past and the future and I could get back to mindfulness in
the real and mystical present.
<Personal experiences tend to acumulate in
<memory, preventing the everchanging "newness" to be <manifest...
That's only part of it. Personal energy or will is not merely the
harvester of memories. It is even that which believes there is
transcendence of experience and memory. It is even the harvester of
transcendence and spiritual experience and growth. That's how subtle it
gets and that's why things get tough to see. Personal energy or will is
even the 'everchanging newness' you mention. It is the source of
duality, and all we can point to, regardless of how subtle, is a
As for me,
though it sounds dualistic,
I pray for help.
And I get it.
The request that I make to "get me free" of my loops
may be just a trick, but it's a trick to end my habitual
tricks. Like dreaming our way out of the dream.
Now we are dreaming a dream of waking up.
Praying for help relieves me of trying to do my awakening.
It also opens up my mind and heart,
and once opening I pray for help
to keep on.
My prayers are answered by/as Presence.
There are agents of Grace - it's just each other
living in this world and in wholeness worlds.
Lord, am I grateful!
From: Tomas Diaz de Villegas
Not too long ago, in the midst of major ordeal(confusion, doubt, uncertainty
and great fear) some old insights where seen anew. It began with a little
trust and a little letting things be.
during this time the major reflection going through me was attending to what
is prior to sensations, feelings, thoughts- including the fears, doubts and
stories- in general, what is prior to experience.
all elements constituting experience can be seen as impermanent when
investigated- then the question of - what has not or does not change? leads
to the view of the context for all change.
The term I use to talk about that context is "Awareness"
so I gave my attention over to this more and more- that for anything to BE,
for experience to BE, Awareness was already the case
that includes all knowledge (of every variety- none excluded)
I saw more and more that fear is an activity of placing continual attention
on what is secondary to the primary (the primary = Awareness)
see Everthing as secondary to That
The fear makes out the secondary to be the Primary : the situation where one
views a thought, image, opinion, emotion ..whatever as being MORE TRUE or
even AS TRUE as Awareness itself
this is a denial of the fact that any and every thought, any and every
sensation, feeling, perception and, in general, experience owes it's being
I reflected on this more and more, seeing the fixations that fear generates
"what will happen to me?" "dont hurt me"
these are the messages I witnessed and curiously allowed to tell their story
and then gently inquired as to the nature of the "me"
stories that continue to arise and are witnessed- usually covered over by a
shield of cynicism beyond which lies a fixation in hiding. This cynicism is
the "I already know all that" attitude. I've noticed in looking back over
the years clarity would be obscured by the exposing of hidden
vulnerabilities- a deep fear of being hurt or destroyed
This would usually stay hidden under the need to feel "I'm Right- I know how
it all works"
The hurt would come and the natural reaction would be to go from an "I know"
position to the Cynical stance- all in order to keep the hurt and percieved
"danger" from being met.
In the reflection of what is prior to all experience, I both gradualy and
immediately found no locatable "me" to be destroyed.
the "me" revealed, sensations, feelings, stories, images, thoughts
and as this was seen, it was seen that these are not the primary
and though strange sensations would come the fear associated with them
gradually lessened. The panic attacks I was suffering had dissapeared.
a little while later another reflection began going through me. This was
happening in conjunction with some rekindled quantum physics curiousity. The
reflection was on the nature of that which I had been discerning as
Specificaly it began with : what is matter?
from this question, influenced by the quantum insights, came the question
what is an observation?
I found the question of the "observation" more fundamental than the Observed
the physics issues I read brought everything down to the quanta arising in a
field (also called a vacuum field) (I'm no expert on it)
and something sparked when I heard, read or remembered the saying that the
quanta arises from that backdrop in the act of observation.
and the question continued: what is that quanta? what is observation?
what is the observer?
what is the true nature of these?
somewhere, somehow, part intuition, part reflection, part whatever-
the thought came saying that what that quanta was arising in was Awareness
itself- the scientist gave it the name the quantum field or vacuum field-
just a name
yes, I understood this, it clicked- matter (quanta), sensations, feelings,
thoughts, experiences, sensory stimuli, expereince- all secondary to
I reflected on what is observation : it could refer to quanta, a chair, a
story about a threat to "me", a sensation, a feeling, a thought, a
perception, a reaction, a body, an idea (like observation or awareness), or
the question came: what is it? what is being observed? what is the observer?
what is the Observed?
what is the true nature of that which I was previously calling secondary?
Something hit and in a flash came the understanding:
the secondary is the primary
the true nature of that which is in awareness IS AWARENESS itself
the secondary are representatives of the primary and these representatives
are in truth awareness itself
what came out was this:
Sense, sensation, object, thought, body, object, word, sound IS Awareness
As this came, a sudtle snag in my previous perspective now became evident.
I saw that something like a developmental process that had gone on where a
transcendent perspective or view of awareness died and rose up in the
awareness as immanent
It started with the focus on Awareness as SOURCE: meaning, the focus on that
which is ever-prior to experience, that in which all elements of experience
(knowing and feeling) arise.
I notice this perspective in me as the development of recognition or
discernment between Primary and secondary or between source and creation.
then came the reflection which focused on this Primary-secondary duality and
the flash which said "the truth about the secondary is that it IS the
Primary"- in otherwords- the object of awareness IS AWARENESS
so while the first step said everything arises IN Awareness (and hid a
subtle resistences to what is called secondary), the
next "step" was an understanding which enveloped the previous, exposing a
hidden resistence, and revealing that everything IS Awareness.
Now that next "step" isnt really a step becuase as it wakes up, rubs open
it's sleepy eyes and look here, there, up, down, past, future, within ,
without, begining, middle, end, body, reactions, fears, doubts, thought,
it sees nothing but Awareness- in other words- no resistence
Now after this flash, a new quality of intent has arisen in me in the form
of a complete willingness to be True to this revelation. My deepest wish is
for the Truth of this revelation to consume everything with utter boundless
compassionate mercilessness- so that every devil (fear and distortion)and
Satan himself (the very root), is recognized as Awareness itself, in all
circumstances, in all experience, in all conditions
cynicism arises, fear arises, hesitation arises, doubt arises, boredom
arsies, conflict arises, pain arises, nightmares arise, death arises, hell
arises and more will come- there is oh, so much to meet- there are so many
faces of awareness to recognize
every circumstance is awareness
every body is awareness
every repulsion and attraction is awareness
every happening is awareness
This is what everything and everyone- each one of you reading this- is.
From: (==Gene Poole==)
Notes on Ahimsa
This is something I wrote on topic to another list. I feel it is on topic
Greetings fellow list members,
I have a confession to make to you.
Do you remember the 'fairy tale' of the 'princess and the pea'?
In that fine illustrative tale, the princess could not sleep, for there was
a tiny pea under her mattress. That tiny pea formed a 'lump' which
disturbed the exquisitely sensitive princess; so disturbed, she was
deprived of sleep.
Her courtiers and servants, thinking to help her, heaped more mattresses
upon her bed, hoping to ameliorate the disturbing lump, but to no avail.
The princess could not sleep, even with fifty (50) mattresses between her
and the lump-causing pea.
Finally, a prince who was in love with the princess, correctly diagnosed
the situation. He simply removed the pea, thus resolving the dilemma of the
insomniac princess. She of course, was deeply gratefull, and no doubt
invited him to share her now-comfortable bed, as a reward for his acumen
I offer this story to illustrate my own dilemma here, in the ongoing
discussion of Ahimsa.
No heaping of padding, no great number of mattresses, is capable of
ameliorating my discomfort.
Further, there is no hypnotic or sedative drug, no self-hypnotic saying, no
doctrine or for that matter, any rationalization whatsoever, which is
capable of quelling my discomfort. No aphorisms, slogans, or witticisms can
defer my awareness. I am indeed, exquisitely sensitive, and make no
apologies for how I am Being. I am unable to rest, as long as the pea is
My own 'remedy' for this "dilemma" is rather different that that offered in
the fairy-tale. My way is to water and fertilize the pea, to allow it to
grow into the full and mature plant which is contained in the seed.
In my own life of discovery and realization, such 'peas' are not to be
ignored. I have found a great and very real danger (to myself) in any act
which is ignoring any irritant. That I regularly clear myself of all
irritants, allows any irritant which enters or appears, to be immediately
seen and recognized; it is my openess and emptiness which allows any
irritant to be center-stage, alone and in the spotlight of awareness. It is
in the recognition of what that irritant is, that I am able to see and
manage the events surrounding the advent of that irritant.
I have, in my life, carried a veritable garden of growing and full-grown
pea-plants. I have not only tolerated them, but have made space for them
within myself; this is the garden of other. Yes, rather than reject the
peas which have been implanted in me by other, rather than apply any
broad-spectrum herbicide (such as 'roundup') to relieve myself of the
irritating presence of those (seemingly foreign) seeds, I allow them to
grow to maturity within me. It is then, that I may be successful in the
self-assigned task of knowing the actual nature of each and every pea which
I find within myself.
"By their fruits, ye shall know them"; meaning, that I see how can I
transmit to others, seeds of what grows within myself. It is in the very
conscious and deliberate withholding of those seed of irritation, which is
Ahimsa. Which is why it is said:
"Criticise not the mote in the eye of your neighbor, before removing the
log from your own eye".
I will share that in my reality, there is no exception from Ahimsa, none
whatsoever. No excuses are accepted. There is no balm for my irritation, no
anesthetic for my senses. I live in a state of constant sharing with my
living environment; every bit of information, no matter how tiny, receives
the full attention of my awareness, as it passes through me. In this, I
know well that each other is exactly like me in that regard, different only
to the degree which one honors one's own nature, that of exquisite
As exquisitely sensitive Beings, we are always aware of each and every
nuance of Being. No moment goes unnoticed; each impression is catalogued,
and as each catalogue swells with maturity, wisdom is thus born. The
catalogues are those plants which I mention; each plant allowed to grow to
maturity, reveals its nature, especially by the seeds that it drops as it
Some of our inner growths have a toxic nature, and are thus irritants;
Ahimsa is the empathic decision made, to avoid transmitting such toxic
seeds to others. There is no exception to this; if we conserve a supply of
toxics, it is the highest responsibility to avoid harming others by
implanting them with our own (received) irritants.
It is widely acknowedged that it is common human nature to assume the
purity of oneself; this is referred to as 'self-esteem driven
compensation'. One who assumes their own purity, will thus feel no
responsibility in the act of transmitting irritants to others, for how can
one who is pure, possibly transmit what is impure?
The concept of 'Ahimsa' acknowledges what is stated (and usually
misunderstood) in the Christian dictum of the 'born sinner' or 'original
sin'. Far from being a condemnation of human nature, the doctrine of
'original sin' is identical to that of Ahimsa; it is an illustration of how
we may consciously and deliberately avoid the trap of assumed purity, thus
to conserve our harmful impulses. It is that simple.
I could stop here, but I feel compelled to mention one more cogent point.
It is the vaunted goal of purity which is the primary irritant. This
supposedly attainable goal, as an irritant, abrogates the responsibilty
which is Ahimsa. It is the implantation of that irritant, that of attaining
purity, which is the seed of seeking and attainment, to which we so often
refer in our discussions of nonduality. The seed of seeking and attaining
of purity, is what makes one impure.
Purity is defined only in world-dream (samsaric) terms; thus, one seeking
(or assuming the attaining of) purity, will use the contrast of harm,
killing, torturing, exploiting, of others, as the basis for measuring
relative purity. In this ongoing measuring process, which is the seeking we
so often refer to, one is judged by ones absention from the samsaric acts
which are defined as 'impure'. It is this seeking of purity which is itself
the essence of the 'satan' who is called the 'father of lies'. The chief
lie, the seed of all lies, is the assumption of purity.
"All have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God".
Thus, it is the young child, faced with samsaric versions of pure and
impure, who takes up the greatest lie as the greatest truth, and who then
unwittingly transmits the seeds of 'purity' to others. Those seeds of
'purity' are the very irritants which cause the 'contraction' referred to
by Adi Da/Da Free John; those seeds of 'purity' are the very irritants
which one lives in suffering to escape. It is the idea of purity, scaled in
samsaric terms, which is what begins the search, the seeking, and
promulgates the illusion of attainment.
Driven by this early implantation of the great lie, one then moves forward,
with a certainty of judgement which is an automatic replacement for
sensitivity; the samsaric version of 'purity', like a mirage of water on
the desert, draws those who thirst for righteousness, but the drink is of
hot and dry sand only.
It is the awakening from the trance of seeking and attainment which is the
event of realization of self-nature; it is the seeing of the lie, and the
vulnerability to the lie, which reveals the very nature of our true and
sacred imperfection. It is in this moment of self-realization, that
perfection is truely known.
This is a report on satsang with Pamela Wilson,
in my town this week.
She is in Ramana Maharshi's lineage
by way of Robert Adams and Neelam.
On her flier it says: "Come Rest In The Heart"
and she does.
Pamela is a joyful presence of deep silence.
She laughs a lot and accepts everything.
Although she encourages dialogue she
teaches and preaches very little, apparently
trusting the contagion of Silent Presence
to do the work. She talks about The Beloved
and about "Grace, she ...."
"Satsang is still water and a whirlpool all at once.
Silence stirred by Love.
To truly rest for a moment in This
is to become This. Utterly."
Theres this idea that self observation is always non critical..well hell
thats the goal! Thats detachment.In other words some of us out here want to
be doing self observation,self study but all we can do is see the dung heap
of our pathetic attachments and we want to simply get passed this stuff,be
free from that which causes me to react from conditions,programming,false
self.So at a certain point its not easy to come to just dropping it. I say
for those who havent or cant seem to drop it! Just keep sticking your nose in
it..It ain't so pretty and feels like hell sometimes but eventually you look
over your shoulders and begin to take note that hey!....at least I am seeing
my shit,its not me just habit .Things begin to change,people and things begin
to look different.The illusion of the pain even begins to fall off. I just
want to encourage those who really are working hard,striving to be
awake,aware, to be whole that the simple LOOK is a major accomplishment. I
just don't see anything as important as this any more.So much
illusion,fantasy,imagination just fall off but it is a life time adventure to
say the least. So if some can't seem to Just DROP it Completely don't sweat
it.Just keep hacking away.Try not getting addicted to the results,just keep
on keeping on even if it takes a million years.The shit will begin to drop
away on its own all by itself.We just have to be willing to pay attention
.People talk about annihilating the ego and all that and really what were are
talking about is bare bones self esteem for the most part,at least for me.The
cup has to be empty before it can be filled up.So if you can't drop it.Just
drop dropping it. So like Van Morrison who sings swallow the pain,swallow
the hurt,I bet you will be safe and sound......Bye for now.Om ,Alan