#1881 - Thursday, August 5, 2004 -
The Nonduality Salon list
began August 12, 1998. The Highlights began June 3, 1999.
That means no Highlights were done to cover
August 12, 1998 to June 3, 1999.
The next several issues of the Highlights
that I edit will include coverage of that 9 month period. There are about
7000 messages during that time span, of which about 200 were reviewed for this
issue. Therefore there could be 20 Highlights issues covering the early days.
I'll call this series
In Nonduality Salon
It is only by the 'words'
that Nothingness becomes revealed.
It is with this garland of
That I went forth, and thus enjoyed that perfect
Please understand the meaning of my words,
satisfy your hunger and your thirst.
Regard yourself as a shining
Burning brightly, without name or form.
These words are uttered
To open the eyes of your inner Self.
The perfect meeting with the
Is eternally within ourselves.
The rivers flow surely toward
but when the final Deluge comes,
Both rivers and sea are
In the same way, you should devour both 'I' and 'Thou',
truly, you are the source of both.
(1271-1296) from the Amritanubhav (The Nectar of Mystical
Contributed by Jerry
We who know, and do not know that we
Let us become one, whole.
Let us be transformed.
We who have
known, but do not know:
Let us once more see.
The beginning of it
We who do not wish to know,
But still say that we want to
Let us be guided
To safety and to light.
We who do not
And know that we do not know:
Let us through this knowledge,
We who do not know, but think that we know:
Set us free
Of that ignorance.
He who knows, and knows that he
He is wise.
Let him be followed.
By his presence alone man may be
As with our forebears
So with our successors
We affirm this undertaking
So let it be.
Contributed by David Bozzi
Intrusions, distractions, disturbances have a
negative influence on
passive meditation (being the witness, observing
thoughts, emotions etc.).
Digging out these disturbances might be a more
effective approach for some.
It is a very deep going reflection on the "why
am I getting angry, why am I
disturbed while in a traffic jam, why am I such
an automaton to always react
this way etc." If one "knows" intuitively and
experiences a subtle 'desire'
to be free from these afflictions, the digging
out can be successful.
"Longing" to be free from these afflictions isn't a
desire, as one's true
nature IS free from these afflictions. This "longing"
is a form of
meditation, the form of "as you meditate, so you become". So one
caught in a traffic jam, one could think: "What can I do" - the
"Nothing" and there is only "I AM". Once afflictions are
removed, they never
Let's assume the distraction is
doing the dishes and you don't like it. So
if you are the witness, it is the
witness of " I don't like it" and IMO this
isn't a good meditation. The key
is to let go the "being the witness"; pay
full attention so there is only
"the dishes being done". Now where did the
dislike go? The reason why
creative work is almost addictive is that there
is only "something being
created"; there is no witness whatsoever. This is
the natural state; when it
shines without attention and its object, it is
Self. The bliss that remains
after having been engaged in creative work, is
the 'aftertaste' of the bliss
When the answer comes "Nothing" to "What can I do in a traffic
jam" are you
saying Jan that this is not frustrating for you?
suppose ordinarily it would be quite on the contrary.
Because if you are
all ready at peace with the answer "nothing" not just to
a traffic jam but to
Life as such then the question as to what can I do
would not arise in the
The question what can I do, what should I do, arise because
I believe I can
do something about the events in Life
Frustration is not
getting your way for what you believe is your way.
This traffic jam
example is very interesting for me as living in city with a
population of 18
Million, all "satoris" has to perforce be in the midst
All my frustrations at not being able to do anything
with a traffic jam
vanished the moment I realised that I do not have to reach
anywhere, I do
not have to "really go" anywhere, I do not have to "really "
Then sitting still in the traffic jam or darting here and
there to get ahead
in a break in the traffic jam , both are OK with me.
"When the answer comes 'Nothing' to 'What can I do in a
jam' are you saying Jan that this is not frustrating for you?
would suppose ordinarily it would be quite on the contrary."
happen to be exceptions from the ordinary. The example of the
traffic jam is
from more than 30 years ago, when I was an anti-war activist,
knowing the meaning of the word "meditation". When I came to a
(eventually after reflecting on something deeply), I took the
it immediately. My mind is hard-wired in that fashion.
Realizing "nothing can
be done" meant "do nothing" for me (unless you call
"doing"). I always thought human beings will take the
consequence of their
thoughts, if it turns out that the behavior/action,
resulting from it is
compassionate and intelligent; the "difference" only
being that for some, it
takes a little longer... Thank you for reminding me
of being a reincarnated
"Because if you are all ready at peace with the answer 'nothing'
just to a traffic jam but to Life as such then the question as to what can I
would not arise in the first place."
At present, things differ
from 30 years ago. To illustrate: Tuesday
afternoon I drove to the mountains
for a hike. Two policemen halted my car
and said the road was closed because
of a fire in the woods. Lying was
detected and checked. Then I went back,
took a road to a place where I knew
there would be no police because the hike
had to be preceded with a 400 m
climb. As part of the hike another 600 m was
climbed to the top of a hill
where the rangers are on the lookout for fires.
There was no fire. To
prevent misunderstanding, "I" did not go anywhere; the
body had its
We are always on the path, whether we realize it or
not. We were reborn
into to every experience for more learning, I spent hours
looking ofr something I could be apart of......I wanted to be one of
to say I BELIEVE IN ?....This is my path,,,,,,but..nothing felt right
me.Most were to limiting,to restricting, to much ritual, to
whatevers.....I found no group or organization that just taught
and expansion of self, without restriction or a need to
just did not leave me anything to belong to,,,,As a result
-I felt more
alone than ever,,,,Then ,,I bought a computer,,,,this opened up
world,,,,I joined the Bridge mailing list,,,met all kinds of people.
the two hundered or so that were on the list ,,,,there were a handful
I felt drawn too,,,,,mostly because of their sense of freedom, and I
relate to what each of them
were saying,,,,,and though they taught
or spoke in different ways
,,,,,,each one said the same thing,,,,,,They won
my heart so to speak......
When I reached my crash point,,,,they were there
,,,,not to hold my hand
but to walk beside me as I crawled through the dark
I give thanks every day that I was led to them,,, Out of the two
people , EJ, Sandeep, Lobster, Einar, Bruce , all offered their
support...I don't idolize them,,,,put them on pedestals,(wouldn't
to fall off ) but I sure do love them . That is all I can
them,,,respect and love,,,,and they gave me so much more,, (
moment here guys-shhh)
I spent alot of my time on Light Mission
reading, learning,,,and trying to
get a grasp on what I felt , or was looking
for...It taught me that all I
was already available to me, by going
within, working on myself, and healing,
Am I there yet? No,,, still having
moments of crawling and throwing
tantrums,,, every so often moments of
realizations come through and it feels
right,,, moments of bliss and moments
of connection,,,,,,I learned to let
of expectations,,,,I try to live in the
moment,,,,and to me , thats the big
lesson for me,,,,,staying in the moment
and not projecting or regressing, I
may be wrong,,,,but I find by staying in
the moment as much as
possible,,,there is nothing I need, nothing to crave,
nothing to fear, nothing to gain,,,,,it just is.....and I
am......Every moment of my life,so far, has led me here,,,,,just to
these words in this moment,,,It may not sound like much,,,,,,but
me,,,its a blessing to have the freedom of speach,the freedom
express,,,,and the freedom to share,,,,,
And by staying in the moment
-I have a tendancy to talk to much,,,,so will
stop on this
I don't give to much advise,,,,,if any---but as I said, my
truths are in
the moment,,,,,stop the search,,,,,let go of expectations,,,and
moment as it happens,,whether you label it good or bad,,,,,its all
Seriousness is a disease. Live
"G.R. Chandran" wrote:
> Subject: Boston-ISO
Spiritual healing for ejaculation control
> I am a male in my mid
30's, Vegetarian, spirtual of asian Indian
> origin. I would like to know
if anybody can help me with
> sexual healing. I am looking for info or
help to devlop control
> on my ejaculation. I am looking for spiritual
> either Eastern (Such as Tantra), Yoga or any other
> of sex magick (rituals).has tried any techniques or
> If anybody
> can offer any help in controling my sexual
energies, please let me
> know.alrighty G.R. you asked for it pal.
here it ...cums [egad].
step 1: stop touching yourself there bub... how
do you want to control your
libido's appetites if you keep teasing
step 2: Maybe you should treat yourself to a good ol' cheeseburger
now and again... it might sublimate your manifest desires for ...
step 3: Ever hear of the infamous western method of taking a cold
works wonders... also known as the "Shrink-a-dink"
If all else fails, wait another 20 years or so... and I'm sure
decay will eradicate the problem... (unless of course you are of
uberman stock, in which case why bother trying to
ejaculation...hell, go sell that stuff buddy.)
As for my
personal approach to handling inappropriate "rises" from Mr.
Jimmy, I treat
'em as I would a stubborn puppy... scolding: "down boy! down!".
luck, you lusty dog you.
from 'The Way to Go'
"Envy, lust, ... rule men's lives;
time and use turn the love-muscle flabby
but envy takes a man right to the
I pray my last days on earth be mad
with sexual desire
virgins scatter at my coming [*winkwinknudgenudge, mr. Chandran]
timorous pigeons and sparrows..."
All forms of expectations hinder Self Recognition.
All methods lose usefulness after a certain point. Then how does it happen? How
is it that people who have practiced meditation for years and years and wept
their hearts out to the Divine for the Truth get even a glimpse of Reality. How
do people so attached to enlightenment get it? They do so because of the
mysterious force of Grace which is in Reality the Self. The Grace operating in
deep meditation allows the dropping of expectations, fears and a total self
surrender. This allows for merging of the mind and "Emerging"
It's a matter of becoming "aware of your awareness" ,
really living or
BEing that awareness and personally I have found it more fun
to play with
it in it's various aspects than anything else I've ever run
It's sorta like hearing about disneyland and you can
intentionally head for
disneyland and get there or you can wait until you run
across it in the
course of doing something else.
Of course when
speaking of awareness you are *starting* from
I am Harvey, sometimes referred to as
"Dr. H.," sometimes "Doc." Sandeep sent me a
message suggesting this list. I
know him from the "Bridge." I am a
beginner at meditation and T'ai Chi. I
My home is at the base of the Organ mountains in southern
USA. I am married with three grown children, three horses, three
two dogs, one goat, and a goldfish pond. I live a simple life, as
go. There is little hustle and bustle of people in the desert. I am
practicing psychotherapist and a willing student.
I hope to join
your discussion soon. As regards the above, I wonder
what the question
Be at Peace...
Inadequate as words may be...yours did remind me to
reflect on who is
silently present with me, and so near that even thoughts of
merely in the way, hardly necessary. It seems I first became
aware of this (consciously) after my father died. Somewhere amidst
grieving, I had a dream where I spotted him with a large crowd
people, walking away from me. He waved and smiled, but
on...silently telling me. "See, its just all these bodies
on...that's only how you think you recognize me, my real presence
always with you in your heart." He actually made me laugh tho...in
dream. (I know what you THINK you want, but get over it!) I spent
next several days reflecting on how I can never really lose or miss
Dad, how much he just IS a part of me, however many years of being
for me it may have taken to establish his presence - nothing,
death, can remove his presence. And this may be finally realized in
instant of awareness.
Family is not about geography...is it? Presence is
not about words,
thoughts, feelings, moods..all THAT comes and goes. But
"what comes and
goes" is grist for the mill..it gets our attention...its a
least its a way to approach and learn to see "I AM."
living with this Buddha question...and just noticing when I feel
speak or do...I notice how most of my deepest and tenderest
feelings remain silent. There is no risk in speaking out
with my sarcastic
voice...( Tho I do try to include myself in the
general mockery of our
foibles)...there is a silent scream underneath
the laughing, but I exaggerate
the 'silliness" in order to minimize the
"truthfulness." Who wants to go
around with some open, bleeding heart of
vulnerability? But it is always
present..silent, still present. Who can
bear such constant intensity? Of
course, seriousness and sincerity of
purpose will get you somewhere, but
lightheartedness will too. I mean I
once had some epiphany of awareness while
cleaning up vomit, and it was
from from seeing the humor in the situation.
What is to be excluded from
this IAM presence? Well, nothing...but maybe its
more in the way you see
it or talk about it...so its the expression here on
the list which is
really a matter of concern? See, I always somehow "saw" or
felt that as
long as there was loving concern and true listening at the
list"..it hardly mattered "what" was being discussed..from spanking
losing weight..it was just more grist for the mill. A bit of
is always welcome...even attacks and anger seem to have
proved useful, if people were willing to stick around and work
So help me to understand here..this sacred space means what to you
For the last two weeks I have been trying to sort out
this list is talking about. Today I read through some of
I realize that the truth here is no
different from the truth I
encounter everywhere. I have been looking for
truth in various
presentations and with a headshake saying "almost" but "not
look now at what is truth and realize the absurdity!
It is only my mind that sees differences.
What I seek is already
What I see never is.