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    #1603 - Friday, October 31, 2003 - Editor: Gloria Lee Diana ~ NDS A way to tell that a people are becoming civilized and city fit is that they cease thinking
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      #1603 - Friday, October 31, 2003 - Editor: Gloria Lee
       
      Diana ~ NDS
       
      A way to tell that a people are becoming civilized and city fit
      is that they cease thinking of animals as their equal,
      and forget from which level of their hut the power comes.
      The physical world is responsible for itself;
      it is also responsible for the world of ideas;
      this could not be plainer if it were a boil the size of Bucharest,
      but the agility of human thought is such that it can overlook features of itself. 
      ~ Jan Cox
       
       

       
      The shadow is the greatest teacher for how to come to the light.
      -- Ram Dass in "One Liners: A Mini-Manual for a Spiritual Life"
       
      .
       
      The Northern Lights (Aurora Borealis) fill the southwest sky
      early Oct. 29 above Soldotna, Alaska.
       

       
      Gill Eardley ~ Allspirit Inspiration
       
      From: Grist for the Mill by Ram Dass

      Being conscious is cutting through your own melodrama and being right
      here. Exist in no mind, be empty, here now, and trust that as a situation
      arises, out of you will come what is necessary to deal with that situation
      including the use of your intellect when appropriate.  Your intellect need
      not be constantly held on to keep reassuring you that you know where
      you're at, out of fear of loss of control.  Ultimately, when you stop
      identifying so much with your physical body and with your psychological
      entity, that anxiety starts to disintegrate.  And your start to define
      yourself as in flow with the universe; and whatever comes along ~ 
      death, life joy, sadness ~ is grist for the mill of awakening. Not this
      versus that but whatever.
       

       
      Lee Love ~ E-Zendo

      Joseph Campbell on The Meaning Of Myth

              Let me begin by explaining
      the history of my impulse to place metaphor at the center of our exploration of
      Western spirituality.

              When the first volume of my
      Historical Atlas of World Mythology, The Way of the Animal Powers came out, the
      publishers sent me on a publicity tour. This is the worst kind of all possible
      tours because you move unwillingly to those disc jockeys and newspaper people,
      themselves unwilling to read the book they are supposed to talk to you about, in
      order to give it public visibility.

              The first question I would be
      asked was always, "What is a myth?" That is a fine beginning for an intelligent
      conversation. In one city, however, I walked into a broadcasting station for a
      live half-hour program where the interviewer was a young, smart-looking man who
      immediately warned me, "I'm tough, I put it right to you. I've studied law."

              The red light went on and he
      began argumentatively, "The word 'myth,' means 'a lie.' Myth is a lie."

              So I replied with my
      definition of myth. "No, myth is not a lie. A whole mythology is an organization
      of symbolic images and narratives, metaphorical of the possibilities of human
      experience and the fulfillment of a given culture at a given time."

              "It's a lie," he countered.

              "It's a metaphor."

              "It's a lie."

              This went on for about twenty
      minutes. Around four or five minutes before the end of the program, I realized
      that this interviewer did not really know what a metaphor was. I decided to
      treat him as he was treating me.

              "No," I said, "I tell you
      it's metaphorical. You give me an example of a metaphor."

              He replied, "You give me an
      example."

              I resisted, "No, I'm asking
      the question this time." I had not taught school for thirty years for nothing.
      "And I want you to give me an example of a metaphor."

              The interviewer was utterly
      baffled and even went so far as to say, "Let's get in touch with some school
      teacher." Finally, with something like a minute and a half to go, he rose to the
      occasion and said, "I'll try. My friend John runs very fast. People say he runs
      like a deer. There's a metaphor."

              As the last seconds of the
      interview ticked off, I replied, "That is not the metaphor. The metaphor is:
      John is a deer."

              He shot back, "That's a lie."

              "No," I said, "That is a
      metaphor."

              And the show ended. What does
      that incident suggest about our common understanding of metaphor?

              It made me reflect that half
      the people in the world think that the metaphors of their religious traditions,
      for example, are facts. And the other half contends that they are not facts at
      all. As a result we have people who consider themselves believers because they
      accept metaphors as facts, and we have others who classify themselves as
      atheists because they think religious metaphors are lies.

      ~ ~ ~

       Campbell tells a story about Carl Jung's interaction with a Navaho Holy man.   

      Jung asked the Holyman where he thought the mind dwelt and the
      Holyman pointed to his heart and said, "Here."   He then asked Jung where he
      thought the mind was and Jung pointed to the head and said that in the West,
      we believe that the mind is in the head.

      The Holyman replied, "Only crazy people believe that."


       
      Harsha ~ HarshaSatsangh
       
      Concepts about concepts and thoughts about thoughts
       
      The play of concepts is endless. Concepts about the body, the mind,
      spirit, universe, cosmos, big bang, small bang, how the world came into
      being, shiva, shakti, etc.

      And then there are concepts about concepts, and thoughts about the
      nature of thoughts!

      What to do? The questions are thoughts and the answers are thoughts.

      And thinking about questions and answers requires thoughts.

      What to do?

      Nothing to do.

      The quicksand of concepts entangles one more and more, the more
      seriously one takes them. It is the stuff of religion, philosophy,
      spirituality, great writers, great thinkers,  great teachers, great
      leaders, etc.

      The presumption to understand, teach, and help others to improve
      themselves reveals the unrelenting grip of the ego.

      But the ego is not bad. It is something natural. It arises as a natural
      condition.

      The wise say, that, "I am the doer" notion is bondage.

      The real method to self knowledge is simple.

      To go to the root of the ego or the mind, one needs to become aware of
      one's complete helplessness. That takes time. That takes spiritual
      maturity.  To feel truly that not my will Lord but thy will be done. In
      doing so, the surrender can take place  and one can naturally do what
      one is destined to do.

      If by Grace, one can bring the awareness upon its own essence, to see
      and feel its own essential being, that is all that needs to be one. That
      is all that can be done!

      In this awareness, one can stare at the originating point of thoughts
      and feelings and symbols and visions which rise in it, and see itself as
      the source, not as a thought but as a well of being that perpetually
      springs forth in itself and dissolves in itself never losing its
      inherent quality of naturalness, sat-chit-ananda.

      It is the essence of simplicity. Pure Being. That is what Sri Ramana
      taught. To be aware of the "I AM" as feeling/awareness. That is the
      direct practice. To be simply aware of yourself.

      Spiritual practitioners seek complex and glamorous practices leading to
      rich experiences and knowledge. This is good as well. All according to
      one's inclinations.

      But there are some who have consumed enough knowledge and enough
      experiences and lose the desire for any of it. Spontaneously, the
      directness of one's own awareness manifests as one's own self. One's Own
      Self is the Self of all. One Heart. Same Heart. All Heart.

      Love to all
      Harsha

      Viorica Weissman ~ Million Paths

       

      To go for a walk in the fields with the cattle and the young lambs,
      and in the woods with the song of birds, without a single thought
      in your mind, only watching the earth, the trees, the sheep and
      hearing the cuckoo calling and the wood pigeons; to walk without
      any emotion, any sentiment, to watch the trees and all the earth:
      when you so watch, you learn your own thinking, are aware of
      your own reactions and do not allow a single thought to escape
      you without understanding why it came, what was the cause
      of it. If you are watchful, never letting a thought go by, then the
      brain becomes very quiet. Then you watch in great silence and
      that silence has immense depth, a last incorruptible beauty.
      .....................
       
       
      from
            Krishnamurti to Himself
                 His Last Journal
       

       
      Al Larus ~ NDS
       
       
       
      Robert ~ NDS
       
      Here is an interesting article that explain the power of silent
      transmission... Anyone who has been in the presence of an
      enlightened master knows this intuitively.  Now science proves it.

      http://www.spiritualityhealth.com/newsh/items/article/item_6497.html

      Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

      Peace,

      Robert

       
      Lee Love ~ E-zendo
       
       Buddhism is a practice, not a proof.
       
              As I mention initially to Dave, folks who have difficulty with "the whole meatball" of the Buddha's teaching can simply follow the root teachings:  the four noble truths and the 8 fold path.    It is not necessary to factually disprove traditional practice.  
       
                  This is not recommended because of any deficiency in what has been handed down to us traditionally, but is rather, a product of the Buddha's admonition to use "skillful means."    Let's face it.   Not everyone has the same ability to understand metaphorical truth and our modern culture does everything it can to stamp these natural abilities out of us.  
       
              So, it is acceptable to just follow the 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path.  But there is not necessarily any intellectual, moral or spiritual superiority in doing so.   This is the attitude I address in Dave's posts.
       
               There are "proofs" in buddhist practice, but they are directly empirical.   We test belief in practice.   We judge belief, as my late teacher Dainin Katagiri used to say, "by their effects upon human life."     If you have a mind, you have beliefs.   The is the greatest fallacy of modern thought is that we can be free of our beliefs.   We can see that modern life without belief leads to dis-ease.
       
      I just posted this to another list:

       "From the Buddhist perspective, beliefs are not factual.   Their job is to help us organize our thought processes.     Once this is grasped, it is easier to understand why people do what they do.   Beliefs tell us more about the mind that holds them than they do about the "factual" world."
       
      As the Buddha says in the beginning of the Dhammapada:
       
      "All that we are is the result of what we have thought: it is
      founded on our thoughts, it is made up of our thoughts
      "
       

       
      Dear Friends:
       
      The HarshaSatsangh e-magazine will include a supplement to Volume III.  We are seeking submissions, in particular for the supplement, which will focus on Yoga-Tantra.  We are especially interested in offerings which relate to the topics of Tantra, Yoga, the Goddess, Self Realization, and Advaita, not in that order :-) 
       
      You can view the magazine at www.harshasatsangh.com  for further ideas on the subject areas which are explored in this publication.  Scholarly as well as devotional articles on the subject of Tantra are part of the emphasis of the supplement.  Our purpose is to educate and enlighten others on this sometimes esoteric and often misinterpreted subject, in an effort to promote understanding and appreciation of this most sacred Indic tradition.  We are also seeking illustrative representations of yogic poses and mudras.  Your creative efforts are appreciated and welcomed.  This can include artwork or poetry. If you know of someone who you think might be interested in contributing, please forward this message to them. 
       
      Please note that all submissions should be sent to me at the following email address;
       
       
      We Are All Connected,
      One to the other,
      One.
       
      Namaste,
       
      Joyce
       

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