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  • Michael Read
    ALL NDS ISSUE Issue #1262 - Tuesday, November 19, 2002 edited by michael {note: all nds tuesday edition - uncut posts, straight from the monkey s paw} ...
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      ALL NDS ISSUE
       
       
       
      Issue #1262 - Tuesday, November 19, 2002
      edited by michael
       
      {note: all nds tuesday edition - uncut posts, straight from the monkey's paw}
       
       
      --- In NondualitySalon@y..., "Sam" <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote:

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Susanna Gandolf
        To: NDS
        Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:51 AM
        Subject: [NDS] monkey love


        "I had a student in 1978, Gary Shapiro, who came to Camp Leakey,
      and he taught an adult female [orangutan], Rinnie, sign language. He
      could not believe how fast she learned it. Rinnie took the tutoring
      personally. One day, Rinnie took Gary by the hand and tried to seduce
      him. Gary pushed her away. She thereafter lost all interest in
      signing."

        --Dr. Birute Galdikas, lesser-known disciple of Louis Leakey,
      dedicated to the study and preservation of the Indonesian orangutan,
        from an interview in the Science Times (NY Times), reprinted in the
      book Scientific Conversations by Claudia Dreifus (2001)

        Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
      Service.
        Me and my kids were watching a chimpanzee doing stunts in his cage
      at the children's zoo in Central Park, NY. There was a swing in the
      cage and he batted it around and jumped and did tricks with it. There
      was also a water fountain in the cage and at one point the chimp went
      to it and took a long drink. Then he sauntered to the front of the
      cage and sent a good long squirt of water in the direction of the
      people watching.. Everyone jumped back and the chimp was very happy,
      jumping and batting his swing. He did not go back to the fountain and
      gradually people came up close again whereupon he squirted the
      remainder of the water that was still in his mouth over everyone. As
      you can imagine this time he really went mad with joy.
        Draw your own conclusions.
        Sam
       
       

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      --- In NondualitySalon@y..., "skiplaurel" <vicki@b...> wrote:
      --- In NondualitySalon@y..., "Sam" <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote:
      >
      >   ----- Original Message -----
      >   From:
      Susanna Gandolf
      >   To: NDS
      >   Sent: Tuesday,
      November 19, 2002 9:51 AM
      >   Subject: [NDS] monkey love
      >
      >
      >   "I had a student in 1978, Gary Shapiro, who came
      to Camp Leakey,
      and he taught an adult female [orangutan], Rinnie, sign language. He
      could not believe how fast she learned it. Rinnie took the tutoring
      personally. One day, Rinnie took Gary by the hand and tried to seduce
      him. Gary pushed her away. She thereafter lost all interest in
      signing."
      >
      >   --Dr. Birute Galdikas, lesser-known
      disciple of Louis Leakey,
      dedicated to the study and preservation of the Indonesian orangutan,
      >   from an interview in the Science
      Times (NY Times), reprinted in
      the book Scientific Conversations by Claudia Dreifus (2001)
      >
      >   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject
      to the Yahoo! Terms of
      Service.
      >   Me and my kids were
      watching a chimpanzee doing stunts in his
      cage at the children's zoo in Central Park, NY. There was a swing in
      the cage and he batted it around and jumped and did tricks with it.
      There was also a water fountain in the cage and at one point the
      chimp went to it and took a long drink. Then he sauntered to the
      front of the cage and sent a good long squirt of water in the
      direction of the people watching.. Everyone jumped back and the chimp
      was very happy, jumping and batting his swing. He did not go back to
      the fountain and gradually people came up close again whereupon he
      squirted the remainder of the water that was still in his mouth over
      everyone. As you can imagine this time he really went mad with joy.
      >   Draw your
      own conclusions.
      >   Sam

      I am going ape over this truth.  Look out, stand back....it's
      Gallagher time!  The joy of proper alienation.  You gotta know who to
      pitch your woo too.  Jumping for joy in my cage.....Vicki
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      --- In NondualitySalon@y..., "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr@y...> wrote:
      --- In NondualitySalon@y..., "saktidasa" <saktidasa@y...> wrote:

      [snip]

      > Namaste,
      >
      > 'Now' if it is given
      any validity at all can only be an interface
      > between the past and
      future, relatively speaking.
      >
      > The word Now infers a temporal
      condition therefore is
      > illusion......Om Sakti ...Saktidass

      Well, yeah.  And the word "here" refers to a spatial
      condition and therefore is illusion too.

      However, many choose to use the term "here and now"
      to describe the direct and experiential reckoning
      that is known as Self knowledge, as Self knowledge
      is always "here" (with us in every moment) and
      "now" (existing eternally).
       
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      --- In NondualitySalon@y..., "JP Poffandi" <jppoffandi@y...> wrote:
      --- In NondualitySalon@y..., "fewtch" <fewtch@y...> wrote:
      >
      > Hiya JP!

      Heya Tim!

      Tim in the house!

      > The word
      is "energy," brother.  It's inexhaustible because the
      >source of it
      is infinite potential.

      I feel it with you from you.

      Inexhaustible Energy Source - in everything and everyone - freely
      available to all - regardless of degree of alleged insights into
      stuff like supreme enlightenment (taxes extra in the State of
      California).

      > Honesty
      is beauty -- there is no other!

      Honest like children.

      Or even the pee drinking and poo juggling gorillas in the zoo
      mentioned in the threads?

      Or me and you - on our days when we are most open, accepting
      and alright with everything.

      Just being - not worrying about stuff like some kinda special
      enlightenment and "pure consciousness".

      With bodies made up of trillions of living cells, with emotions,
      feelings, personalities, imaginations and human stuff like that.

      I saw Ramana for the first time in a dream recently. He seemed
      like a totally honest man - so maybe there is a part of me that
      does surrender to Honesty totally all the time. For now - I am a
      fool burning singing dreaming - with this thing in my pierced
      heart.

      Like Leonard Cohen says in his song - In My Secret Life:

      I smile when I'm angry
      I cheat and I lie
      I do what I have to do
      To get by.
      But I know what is wrong
      And I know what is right
      And I'd die for the truth
      In My Secret Life.

      Looked through the paper
      Makes you want to cry
      Nobody cares if the people
      Live or die.
      And the dealer wants you thinking
      That it's either black or white.
      Thank G-d it's not that simple
      In My Secret Life.


      >There's as much a 'taboo' there [admitting insights] as
      there is
      >about  admitting to delusions.

      Yup.

      Children naturally feel happy to show what they know and are
      learning.

      That delight quickly gets knocked out of us - for most of us.

      We dream our nightmares.

      Hopefully eventually - by grace or blind luck - we start to wake up
      from our dreamer's painful nightmare in different ways - and
      maybe become natural, spontaneous and open again - like a
      child.

      Everyone I've ever met has insights.

      Everyone.

      And on my most open-hearted days - everything is a living
      metaphor and insighful sign of the One.

      Reminds me: do you recall the swirling windblown plastic bag in
      the movie American Beauty?

      I may have just committed an egocrime by saying that.

      I'm on the Ten Most Wanted list of the T.E.P.I.D. of the NDS (Total
      Enlightenment Police Intelligence Department).


      > The ruckus that happens when someone states or
      implies "I
      >am enlightened" (at least if they haven't been dead for at
      least
      >20 years) shakes the stage... our egos can't cope with it. 
      What
      >if they're more enlightened than we are?  Holy cow!
      :-)


      Like feeding time at the zoo - when the cages start rattling?

      Narcissistic rage and envy can pack a punch!

      And being a one-dimensional angry narcissist myself, I know! 

       
      > > It will be plain to see that imagining that "nothing is
      happening
      > > and nobody's here" simply won't wash with the crowd. No
      > > chance to pretend to be "above it all". No refusing to talk. No
      > > chance to hide or pout when criticized. No quotes from
      famous
      > > dead people - with an exception made for quotes by Michael
      > >
      Jackson.
      > >
      > > Who will win?
      >
      > All of us
      would...


      Yes.

      But realistically and perhaps statistically - some would enjoy it -
      some would be offended by it - some would be bored - some
      would feel nothing at all.

      Yeah we could - theoretically - if we open our hearts - just enjoy it
      - naturally just enjoy it.

      Without having to ask stuff like:


      -Who's enjoying it?

      -What do you get out of enjoying it?

      -Are you flaunting your false ego by enjoying it?

      -Why do you need compelled to enjoy it or not enjoy it?

      -Can you see that "enjoy" is an empty word and it doesn't exist?

      -Why waste time with enjoying it?


      > > Gurdjieff is dead. Jesus' temple
      whip is missing. Adi Da is
      >  >being
      > > Marlon Brando
      on the Island of Dr. Moreau.
      > >
      > > I'm putting my bets on
      Judi Rhodes.
      >
      > How much you betting?
      ;-)


      Psssst...hey...the fight is fixed according to my neo-advaitist
      prison snitches.

      Call my cell for a recorded message about the lowdown.

      BTW - I love Judi. Our views may differ considerably in ways - but
      I am deeply grateful for her.

      I would recommend her to anyone who wants to more clearly
      see her/his games and lies.  I call her method the Way of the
      Chainsaw. Don't ever be fooled by appearances though. She's a
      fine woman - and she has a huge heart (though she may
      be seriosuly offended for me saying that).

      Just in case - a plug for anyone interested: her Yahoo group is
      "End of the Rope Ranch". Tell her "JP the absent-minded liar
      who thinks she's a sexy thang" sent you.

      Give up all hope - all ye who enter there!  :)


      > Long live the
      lions... courage, sincerity and honesty (raw
      >honesty). 
      >
      The false doesn't have a chance against this beat (unless the
      > neighbors
      call the police :-)...

      Lionesses and Lions and every other beastie. Beastie boys and
      beastie girls.

      So many species crying and dying...going going gone. Parts of
      our own Body - our own planet-body crying dying.

      No tears required from the liberated.

      I'll just send them a video of the old 1970s TV anti-pollution ad
      with the Indian Chief who sees the polluted land his
      people loved for millenia. He turns to the camera and we see a
      lone tear running down his cheek.

      A question:

      Are we going to quibble about egoless enlightenment and who
      is most mokshafied - right up to the moment we gasp our last
      breath - right up to the moment our earthmother-self goes into a
      death rattle?

      Place your bets.


      > > Spin it DJ!
      >
      > Spinning those records
      (on a 1974 Thorens TD-160 turntable),
      >
      >
      Tim

      Sweet!


      JP


      An ad: Our music tastes may differ Tim - but I picked up
      HH Sri Sri Bhagwan Carlos Santana's new CD - awesome!

      Life Love is healing cosmically flowing through the amazing
      heart and hands of that man and the many artists who choose to
      celebrate the One Life and Love with him!

      The music is fine healing praising celebrating divine wine!

      Rico!
       
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