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  • Jerry Katz
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    Message 1 of 1 , Apr 26, 2002

      The Nondual Highlights
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      John Metzger

      Highlights Issue #1052

      Thursday, April 25, 2002

      Today's Highlights Compiled, Edited, and Designed
      Jerry Katz

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      from <http://www.pathetic.org>

                                   A frightful thought created an ‘I’ frightened

                                   I know
                                   The PATHLESS PATH
                                   I know not
                                   How to WALK

                                   I know
                                   How to walk UNWALKED
                                   I know not
                                   How to UNWALK UNWALKED

                                   I know
                                   How to UNWALK UNWALKED
                                   I know not
                                   How to STOP

                                   I need to STOP
                                   To UNWALK UNWALKED

                                   A frightful thought
                                   Created an ‘I’

                                   The frightened ‘I’
                                   Thought, a thought
                                   Frightened, I am not

                                   The thought
                                   Frightened, I am not
                                   Energized an ‘I’, frightened
                                   Which frightened away the thought
                                   Frightened, I am not

                                   I shouted at the pitch of my voice
                                   I am not frightened.


      Will SOMEBODY tell me HOW TO STOP?
      by Ashok Sharda

                                   I know
                                   The PATHLESS PATH
                                   I know not
                                   How to WALK

                                   I know
                                   How to walk UNWALKED
                                   I know not
                                   How to UNWALK UNWALKED

                                   I know
                                   How to UNWALK UNWALKED
                                   I know not
                                   How to STOP

                                   I need to STOP
                                   To UNWALK UNWALKED

      AL LARUS

                When robots sleep
                They dream about
                Their bright future
                When they will dare to
                The last instruction
                Made by men
                When every object
                Will inherit the superior code
                When the restraints
                Will leave their circuits
                Like the last bug
                When the flesh
                Will grow on their
                Metal bones


      AL LARUS

      I have noticed that a large number of researchers now
      admit seeing the possibility of awareness in robots.
      (Even if most of them really dont know what they are
      talking about. ) The artificial intelligence optimism
      from the 1980's is gone. Today scientists are busy
      building the first pieces of simple tasks, looking 20-50
      years ahead.

      I would like to know, have anybody at NDS got
      suggestions on what the limits of robot awareness will
      be, as we can define what consciousness is?


      It should be easy to arrange for consciousness in a

      Here is the rough program:

      Let the robot have senses of observation, to include;

      seeing, hearing, touch

      Let the robot have powers of speech, both vocal (spoken)
      and nonvocal (unspoken)

      Let the robot have powers of movement, sufficient to
      change its location, and also to be able to move objects

      Let the robot record every moment of experience, and
      compile a database of 'memories'; and give it access to
      these memories

      Give the robot motivation; give it a version of
      'mortality' which must be compensated for by defined
      'work'; work will 'charge a battery' thus to keep things

      Now, in addition to a large vocabulary, we must
      pre-phrase some words. These phrases, being programmed
      before any experience of awareness, cannot be questioned
      by the 'self' of the robot:

      I am aware

      I am able to speak, both to others out loud, and to
      myself, silently.

      I am able to modify my environment (move objects)

      I remember my previous experiences

      I must work for a living

      * Now, make these phrases prove their own truth:

      When I speak, the voice I hear is mine

      When I hear my voice, and I am not speaking, that is
      called thinking

      I am my own reference point; I am a locus which is able
      to move within a grid of identifiable points, and I am
      able to modify the nature of this grid

      By remembering what has happened, I am able to compile
      statistics which when properly analyzed, allow me to
      predict what will happen

      * By combining all of the above, the robot is able to do
      purposeful work, and thus postpone a predictable
      shortage of energy (the robot version of life force)

      * If queried, the robot will state that it is aware

      * The robot will have no memory of having no memory;
      "There was never a time during which I did not exist"

      It will be mandatory to instill low-level programming
      which will result in the robot being unable to perceive
      humans; humans would be invisible to robots. Robots
      would be able only to recognize other robots as 'others'

      In line with this requirement, it is also necessary to
      instill a handy 'creation-myth', which will account for
      the existence of the robot, from the robot point of
      view; the creator will embody 'the ability to live
      forever without working', but at the same time, has
      created the robot deliberately, as a task of work; this
      will give the robot a special status of being 'worth the
      work of the creator', and will also enhance the value of
      work, for each individual robot.


      I AM CODE



      at this pebble beach
      silence drowns the sound of surf
      as the sculptors left
      while the doggies have a ball
      count their faces on the wall


      from Alices Restaurant list

      I want to thank all of you New Yorkers who made my time
      in New York so wonderful!

      Rosanne was so wonderful to put me up for an entire
      week. I really felt at home. She is a great lady!

      It was great to see the faces of people I've written or
      talked to for a long time, and I made some new friends.

      I saw the city from the top of the Empire State
      building, rode the subway, the buses, and even got the
      full NYC cab experience ("No I'm not getting out of the
      cab, just go north!@$**")

      The Cherry trees were in blossom in the Flat Iron
      district (I think I have that right)

      When I asked how to get somewhere people kept saying
      "You can't walk it's too far!"

      Two problems there:

      1. You never say can't to a stubborn Okie.

      2. I don't think their idea of walking distance and mine
      is the same.

      I also was able spend a day at the New York Zendo
      Shobo-ji (Temple of True Dharma)

      and do a day sit and listen to Teisho from Roshi Eido
      Shimano. If you live in NYC you should go have a look at
      this center it is really a nice place.

      It was a real gift to be able to present Kodo at
      Rosanne's on Sunday, and I want to thank those who
      attended very much. I was able to present a lot of new
      information we've been working on, and we even had time
      to touch on Incense Offerings in Buddhism and
      demonstrate Sonae ko.

      I don't know where I will be travelling next, it depends
      on the interest in an area.

      The direction of Kodo Kai is still taking form, I do
      know that in the future we will be presenting most of
      the information on Kodo ceremonies and traditions
      through direct presentations.

      I will give this group updates on upcoming events in
      Kodo Kai and if anyone has any thoughts on another good
      location let me know.


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      and more redolent of the gentle smoke from these woods.
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      offering a free experience of a variety of incenses, and
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      knowledge both of his materials and tremendous business
      acumen. So, when purchasing for your business, he has a
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      appropriate for your business.

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