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  • kk4xx
    I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when
    Message 1 of 25 , Oct 12, 2013

      I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


      I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


      Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


      Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


      I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


      Any suggestions?

    • rich_ve3ki
      1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that s for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port. 2. Rather than
      Message 2 of 25 , Oct 12, 2013

        1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


        2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


        73,

        Rich VE3KI




        ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

        I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


        I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


        Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


        Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


        I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


        Any suggestions?

      • kk4xx
        I ve unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none. I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok
        Message 3 of 25 , Oct 12, 2013

           I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


          I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


          I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


          Any other suggestions? thanks...



          ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

          1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


          2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


          73,

          Rich VE3KI




          ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

          I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


          I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


          Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


          Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


          I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


          Any suggestions?

        • Greg
          I m having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also. Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1. The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780. As soon as I
          Message 4 of 25 , Oct 12, 2013
            I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
             
            73
            Greg
            AB7R
             


            On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
             

             I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


            I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


            I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


            Any other suggestions? thanks...



            ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

            1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


            2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


            73,

            Rich VE3KI




            ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

            I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


            I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


            Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


            Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


            I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


            Any suggestions?


          • Pete Smith N4ZR
            This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config ports,other Winkey tab. Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5. Also check that you
            Message 5 of 25 , Oct 13, 2013
              This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
              73, Pete N4ZR
              Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
              http://reversebeacon.net, 
              blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
              For spots, please go to your favorite 
              ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
              
              On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
              I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
               
              73
              Greg
              AB7R
               


              On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
               

               I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


              I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


              I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


              Any other suggestions? thanks...



              ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

              1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


              2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


              73,

              Rich VE3KI




              ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

              I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


              I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


              Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


              Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


              I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


              Any suggestions?



            • Dave Haring
              Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That s the only com port
              Message 6 of 25 , Oct 13, 2013
                Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.
                On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).

                Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.



                On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                73, Pete N4ZR
                Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                http://reversebeacon.net, 
                blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                For spots, please go to your favorite 
                ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                
                On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                 
                73
                Greg
                AB7R
                 


                On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                 

                 I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


                I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


                I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


                Any other suggestions? thanks...



                ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

                1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


                2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


                73,

                Rich VE3KI




                ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


                I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


                Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


                Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


                I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


                Any suggestions?






              • Steve London
                As an experiment, set these settings in the Winkey tab (which all work here using Winkey V1.0, 2.0, 2.3) Iambic B Pin 5 Function None Sidetone Frequency 469
                Message 7 of 25 , Oct 13, 2013
                  As an experiment, set these settings in the Winkey tab (which all work
                  here using Winkey V1.0, 2.0, 2.3)

                  Iambic B
                  Pin 5 Function None
                  Sidetone Frequency 469
                  Paddle-only sidetone checked
                  Ignore Winkey Speed Pot checked
                  Lead time, tail time, first character extension, keying compensation all
                  set to 0
                  Hang time 1.00
                  All other boxes unchecked

                  Press OK.

                  Exit N1MM Logger.

                  Make sure nothing else is running that could be trying to use Winkey,
                  such as WK2MGR, other logging programs, etc.

                  Restart N1MM Logger.

                  Please report your results to the reflector.

                  73,
                  Steve, N2IC

                  On 10/13/2013 11:01 AM, Dave Haring wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from
                  > the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the
                  > only com port with CW/Other selected.
                  > On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I
                  > currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times
                  > in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                  > The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing
                  > else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).
                  >
                  > Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well;
                  > after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1
                  > to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...
                  > <mailto:n4zr@...>> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config>
                  > ports,other >Winkey tab. Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting
                  > COM5. Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that
                  > in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked. Two checks at
                  > different levels are required. Finally, make sure you do not have
                  > CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                  >
                  > 73, Pete N4ZR
                  > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                  > http://reversebeacon.net,
                  > blog atreversebeacon.blogspot.com <http://reversebeacon.blogspot.com>.
                  > For spots, please go to your favorite
                  > ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                  >
                  > On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                  >> I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also. Using a US
                  >> Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1. The Winkey works fine with
                  >> WK2Mgr and DM780. As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer
                  >> work and the N1MM messages won't play. Using COM5 for the Winkey
                  >> port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window. Any idea what
                  >> is likely to be causing this?
                  >> 73
                  >> Greg
                  >> AB7R
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...
                  >> <mailto:dcharing@...>> wrote:
                  >>
                  >> I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer
                  >> pin5=none.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the
                  >> WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got
                  >> settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> I don't see what else to experiment with - been through
                  >> Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple
                  >> times.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Any other suggestions? thanks...
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                  >> <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>, <ve3ki@...>
                  >> <mailto:ve3ki@...> wrote:
                  >>
                  >> 1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a
                  >> serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a
                  >> radio control port.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> 2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi-
                  >> (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if
                  >> you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the
                  >> WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this
                  >> will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't
                  >> use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than
                  >> either one alone).
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> 73,
                  >>
                  >> Rich VE3KI
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                  >> <mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>,
                  >> <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                  >> <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
                  >>
                  >> I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the
                  >> main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters.
                  >> The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM
                  >> is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard
                  >> entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to
                  >> 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually,
                  >> the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I
                  >> suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also
                  >> implementing control functions...
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and
                  >> radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio
                  >> command CW mode, Pin6=None.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and
                  >> times 1/1/0/0/1
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but
                  >> on/off) setting affects the results.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Any suggestions?
                  >>
                  >>
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                • Joe Subich, W4TV
                  ... TS-570D absolutely requires RTS=HANDSHAKE or RTS=ALWAYS ON. The controller is underpowered and setting RTS=OFF or connecting RTS to CTS on the rig will
                  Message 8 of 25 , Oct 13, 2013
                    > The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off,
                    > nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are
                    > affecting me).


                    TS-570D absolutely requires RTS=HANDSHAKE or RTS=ALWAYS ON. The
                    controller is underpowered and setting RTS=OFF or connecting RTS
                    to CTS on the rig will result in abnormal behavior.


                    73,


                    ... Joe, W4TV




                    On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                    > Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the
                    > Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com
                    > port with CW/Other selected.
                    > On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I
                    > currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in
                    > 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                    > The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else
                    > selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).
                    >
                    > Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well;
                    > after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to
                    > the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...>wrote:
                    >
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config>
                    >> ports,other >Winkey tab. Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.
                    >> Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the
                    >> settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked. Two checks at different levels
                    >> are required. Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any
                    >> other COM port.
                    >>
                    >> 73, Pete N4ZR
                    >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net,
                    >> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                    >> For spots, please go to your favorite
                    >> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                    >>
                    >> On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                    >>
                    >> I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also. Using a US Navigator
                    >> interface with Winkey V2.1. The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.
                    >> As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages
                    >> won't play. Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5
                    >> setup window. Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                    >>
                    >> 73
                    >> Greg
                    >> AB7R
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                    >>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and
                    >>> radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up;
                    >>> not in the 570.
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> I don't see what else to experiment with - been through
                    >>> Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> Any other suggestions? thanks...
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> <ve3ki@...> wrote:
                    >>>
                    >>> 1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial
                    >>> port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> 2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or
                    >>> full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to
                    >>> use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the
                    >>> radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio
                    >>> command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable
                    >>> than either one alone).
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> 73,
                    >>>
                    >>> Rich VE3KI
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                    >>>
                    >>> I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig.
                    >>> Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using
                    >>> WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and
                    >>> <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down
                    >>> produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually,
                    >>> the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a
                    >>> setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On,
                    >>> On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times
                    >>> 1/1/0/0/1
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting
                    >>> affects the results.
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> Any suggestions?
                    >>>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >
                  • Dave Haring
                    Joe, When I ste RTS=ON, the computer resets it. When I set RTS and DTR to Handshake, when I look at the Config screen it shows Handshake - but when I open the
                    Message 9 of 25 , Oct 13, 2013
                      Joe,

                      When I ste RTS=ON, the computer resets it. When I set RTS and DTR to Handshake, when I look at the Config screen it shows Handshake - but when I open the keyer screen (Com5) it shows them ste DTR on, RTS off. But I think I have the problem solved... like you said, underpowered controller.

                      All,

                      N2QT pulled the serial connector to the 570 and deduced that the 570 had a small, overworked brain. We tried upping the speed to 9600/8N1, without change... but finally changed from full break-in to semi, with about 20 mS delay. Now everything works...

                      SOLUTION: turn off FULL BREAK-IN at the TS-570D.

                      thanks for all the help...

                      Dave KK4XX


                      On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:


                      > The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off,
                      > nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are
                      > affecting me).


                      TS-570D absolutely requires RTS=HANDSHAKE or RTS=ALWAYS ON.  The
                      controller is underpowered and setting RTS=OFF or connecting RTS
                      to CTS on the rig will result in abnormal behavior.


                      73,


                          ... Joe, W4TV




                      On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                      > Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the
                      > Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com
                      > port with CW/Other selected.
                      > On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I
                      > currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in
                      > 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                      > The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else
                      > selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).
                      >
                      > Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well;
                      > after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to
                      > the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...>wrote:
                      >
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config>
                      >> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.
                      >> Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the
                      >> settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels
                      >> are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any
                      >> other COM port.
                      >>
                      >> 73, Pete N4ZR
                      >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net,
                      >> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                      >> For spots, please go to your favorite
                      >> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                      >>
                      >> On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                      >>
                      >>   I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator
                      >> interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.
                      >> As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages
                      >> won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5
                      >> setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                      >>
                      >> 73
                      >> Greg
                      >> AB7R
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                      >>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>   I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>   I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and
                      >>> radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up;
                      >>> not in the 570.
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>   I don't see what else to experiment with - been through
                      >>> Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>   Any other suggestions? thanks...
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>> ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> <ve3ki@...> wrote:
                      >>>
                      >>>   1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial
                      >>> port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>   2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or
                      >>> full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to
                      >>> use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the
                      >>> radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio
                      >>> command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable
                      >>> than either one alone).
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>   73,
                      >>>
                      >>> Rich VE3KI
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>> ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                      >>>
                      >>>   I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig.
                      >>> Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using
                      >>> WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and
                      >>> <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down
                      >>> produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually,
                      >>> the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a
                      >>> setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>   I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On,
                      >>> On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>   Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>   Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times
                      >>> 1/1/0/0/1
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>   I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting
                      >>> affects the results.
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>   Any suggestions?
                      >>>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >


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                    • Joe Subich, W4TV
                      ... RTS ON or Handshake is for the radio port - not WinKey port. WinKey defaults for DTR=ON, RTS=OFF to be compatible with the original RS-232 powered WinKey
                      Message 10 of 25 , Oct 13, 2013
                        > When I ste RTS=ON, the computer resets it.


                        RTS ON or Handshake is for the radio port - not WinKey port.
                        WinKey defaults for DTR=ON, RTS=OFF to be compatible with the
                        original RS-232 powered WinKey serial board.


                        73,


                        ... Joe, W4TV




                        On 10/13/2013 4:19 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                        > Joe,
                        >
                        > When I ste RTS=ON, the computer resets it. When I set RTS and DTR to
                        > Handshake, when I look at the Config screen it shows Handshake - but when I
                        > open the keyer screen (Com5) it shows them ste DTR on, RTS off. But I think
                        > I have the problem solved... like you said, underpowered controller.
                        >
                        > All,
                        >
                        > N2QT pulled the serial connector to the 570 and deduced that the 570 had a
                        > small, overworked brain. We tried upping the speed to 9600/8N1, without
                        > change... but finally changed from full break-in to semi, with about 20 mS
                        > delay. Now everything works...
                        >
                        > *SOLUTION*: *turn off *FULL BREAK-IN at the TS-570D.
                        >
                        > thanks for all the help...
                        >
                        > Dave KK4XX
                        >
                        >
                        > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:
                        >
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>> The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off,
                        >>> nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are
                        >>> affecting me).
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> TS-570D absolutely requires RTS=HANDSHAKE or RTS=ALWAYS ON. The
                        >> controller is underpowered and setting RTS=OFF or connecting RTS
                        >> to CTS on the rig will result in abnormal behavior.
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> 73,
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> ... Joe, W4TV
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                        >>> Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from
                        >> the
                        >>> Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only
                        >> com
                        >>> port with CW/Other selected.
                        >>> On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I
                        >>> currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times
                        >> in
                        >>> 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                        >>> The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing
                        >> else
                        >>> selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).
                        >>>
                        >>> Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well;
                        >>> after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to
                        >>> the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...
                        >>> wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config>
                        >>>> ports,other >Winkey tab. Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.
                        >>>> Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the
                        >>>> settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked. Two checks at different
                        >> levels
                        >>>> are required. Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on
                        >> any
                        >>>> other COM port.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
                        >>>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net,
                        >>>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                        >>>> For spots, please go to your favorite
                        >>>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                        >>>>
                        >>>> I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also. Using a US Navigator
                        >>>> interface with Winkey V2.1. The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and
                        >> DM780.
                        >>>> As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages
                        >>>> won't play. Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the
                        >> COM5
                        >>>> setup window. Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                        >>>>
                        >>>> 73
                        >>>> Greg
                        >>>> AB7R
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                        >>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and
                        >>>>> radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked
                        >> up;
                        >>>>> not in the 570.
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> I don't see what else to experiment with - been through
                        >>>>> Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> Any other suggestions? thanks...
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> <ve3ki@...> wrote:
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> 1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial
                        >>>>> port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control
                        >> port.
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> 2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or
                        >>>>> full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer
                        >> to
                        >>>>> use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the
                        >>>>> radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via
                        >> radio
                        >>>>> command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable
                        >>>>> than either one alone).
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> 73,
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> Rich VE3KI
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main
                        >> rig.
                        >>>>> Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine
                        >> using
                        >>>>> WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons
                        >> and
                        >>>>> <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down
                        >>>>> produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes
                        >> (actually,
                        >>>>> the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I
                        >> have a
                        >>>>> setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control
                        >> functions...
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio),
                        >> On,
                        >>>>> On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode,
                        >> Pin6=None.
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times
                        >>>>> 1/1/0/0/1
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off)
                        >> setting
                        >>>>> affects the results.
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>> Any suggestions?
                        >>>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>
                        >>
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                      • Pete Smith N4ZR
                        Dave, I m confused. Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as you said in your first message. 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                        Message 11 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                          Dave, I'm confused.  Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as you said in your first message.

                          73, Pete N4ZR
                          Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                          http://reversebeacon.net, 
                          blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                          For spots, please go to your favorite 
                          ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                          
                          On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                          Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.
                          On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                          The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).

                          Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.



                          On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                          This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                          73, Pete N4ZR
                          Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                          http://reversebeacon.net, 
                          blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                          For spots, please go to your favorite 
                          ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                          
                          On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                          I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                           
                          73
                          Greg
                          AB7R
                           


                          On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                           

                           I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


                          I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


                          I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


                          Anyother suggestions? thanks...



                          ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

                          1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


                          2.Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


                          73,

                          RichVE3KI




                          ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

                          I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


                          I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


                          Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


                          Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


                          I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


                          Any suggestions?







                        • Dave Haring
                          Pete, My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570.
                          Message 12 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                            Pete, 

                            My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570. Nope.

                            With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on, WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM - but when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on the 570 stutters.

                            If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570 (on Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.

                            And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM locks up and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the computer.

                            By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.

                            Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to Key on radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end radios (I'm surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they automatically run a PTT signal from the WK also? 

                            thanks,

                            Dave


                            On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                            Dave, I'm confused.  Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as you said in your first message.

                            73, Pete N4ZR
                            Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                            http://reversebeacon.net, 
                            blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                            For spots, please go to your favorite 
                            ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                            
                            On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                            Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.
                            On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                            The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).

                            Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.



                            On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                            This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                            73, Pete N4ZR
                            Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                            http://reversebeacon.net, 
                            blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                            For spots, please go to your favorite 
                            ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                            
                            On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                            I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                             
                            73
                            Greg
                            AB7R
                             


                            On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                             

                             I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


                            I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


                            I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


                            Anyother suggestions? thanks...



                            ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

                            1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


                            2.Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


                            73,

                            RichVE3KI




                            ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

                            I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


                            I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


                            Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


                            Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


                            I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


                            Any suggestions?










                          • Joe
                            Thats what I got. Winkeyusb Bencher paddles, key line to key jack on a kenwood TS-430S and a PTT Line from the win key to the like footswitch connection jack.
                            Message 13 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                              Thats what I got.

                              Winkeyusb
                              Bencher paddles, key line to key jack on a kenwood TS-430S and a PTT Line from the win key to  the like footswitch connection jack.

                              Works perfectly

                              Joe WB9SBD
                              Sig
                              The Original Rolling Ball Clock
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                              On 10/14/2013 11:10 AM, Dave Haring wrote:
                              Pete, 

                              My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570. Nope.

                              With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on, WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM - but when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on the 570 stutters.

                              If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570 (on Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.

                              And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM locks up and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the computer.

                              By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.

                              Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to Key on radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end radios (I'm surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they automatically run a PTT signal from the WK also? 

                              thanks,

                              Dave


                              On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                              Dave, I'm confused.  Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as you said in your first message.

                              73, Pete N4ZR
                              Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                              http://reversebeacon.net, 
                              blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                              For spots, please go to your favorite 
                              ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                              
                              On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                              Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.
                              On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                              The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).

                              Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.



                              On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                              This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                              73, Pete N4ZR
                              Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                              http://reversebeacon.net, 
                              blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                              For spots, please go to your favorite 
                              ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                              
                              On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                              I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                               
                              73
                              Greg
                              AB7R
                               


                              On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                               

                               I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


                              I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


                              I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


                              Anyother suggestions? thanks...



                              ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

                              1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


                              2.Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


                              73,

                              RichVE3KI




                              ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

                              I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


                              I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


                              Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


                              Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


                              I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


                              Any suggestions?











                            • Steve London
                              Have you confirmed that if you change COM4 to None (i.e. disable radio control) and leave COM5 alone (controlling Winkey), then the stuttering stops ? 73,
                              Message 14 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                                Have you confirmed that if you change COM4 to None (i.e. disable radio
                                control) and leave COM5 alone (controlling Winkey), then the stuttering
                                stops ?

                                73,
                                Steve, N2IC

                                On 10/14/2013 10:10 AM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                > Pete,
                                >
                                > My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG.
                                > I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the
                                > 570. Nope.
                                >
                                > With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on,
                                > WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM
                                > - but when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW
                                > on the 570 stutters.
                                >
                                > If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570
                                > (on Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.
                                >
                                > And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM
                                > locks up and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of
                                > the computer.
                                >
                                > By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.
                                >
                                > Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to
                                > Key on radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end
                                > radios (I'm surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they
                                > automatically run a PTT signal from the WK also?
                                >
                                > thanks,
                                >
                                > Dave
                                >
                                >
                                > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...
                                > <mailto:n4zr@...>> wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Dave, I'm confused. Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at
                                > all, as you said in your first message.
                                >
                                > 73, Pete N4ZR
                                > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                                > http://reversebeacon.net,
                                > blog atreversebeacon.blogspot.com <http://reversebeacon.blogspot.com>.
                                > For spots, please go to your favorite
                                > ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                >
                                > On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                >> Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off)
                                >> from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer.
                                >> That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.
                                >> On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com
                                >> 5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and
                                >> time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                                >> The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off,
                                >> nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are
                                >> affecting me).
                                >>
                                >> Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio
                                >> well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm
                                >> using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR
                                >> <n4zr@... <mailto:n4zr@...>> wrote:
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM -
                                >> Config> ports,other >Winkey tab. Check to be sure the Winkey
                                >> is expecting COM5. Also check that you have CW/Other checked
                                >> on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey
                                >> checked. Two checks at different levels are required.
                                >> Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any
                                >> other COM port.
                                >>
                                >> 73, Pete N4ZR
                                >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                                >> http://reversebeacon.net,
                                >> blog atreversebeacon.blogspot.com <http://reversebeacon.blogspot.com>.
                                >> For spots, please go to your favorite
                                >> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                >>
                                >> On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                                >>> I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also. Using a US
                                >>> Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1. The Winkey works fine
                                >>> with WK2Mgr and DM780. As soon as I start N1MM the paddles
                                >>> no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play. Using COM5
                                >>> for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup
                                >>> window. Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                                >>> 73
                                >>> Greg
                                >>> AB7R
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...
                                >>> <mailto:dcharing@...>> wrote:
                                >>>
                                >>> I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in
                                >>> Configurer pin5=none.
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with
                                >>> the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've
                                >>> got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> I don't see what else to experiment with - been through
                                >>> Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options
                                >>> multiple times.
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> Any other suggestions? thanks...
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                                >>> <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>, <ve3ki@...>
                                >>> <mailto:ve3ki@...> wrote:
                                >>>
                                >>> 1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's
                                >>> for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it,
                                >>> not for a radio control port.
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> 2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either
                                >>> semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT?
                                >>> Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a
                                >>> cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's
                                >>> PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT
                                >>> via radio command (just don't use both methods in
                                >>> parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> 73,
                                >>>
                                >>> Rich VE3KI
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                >>> <mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>,
                                >>> <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                                >>> <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
                                >>>
                                >>> I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service
                                >>> the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI
                                >>> converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not
                                >>> running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and
                                >>> <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the
                                >>> DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space
                                >>> before everything resumes (actually, the other also
                                >>> stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have
                                >>> a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing
                                >>> control functions...
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM
                                >>> and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via
                                >>> radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5,
                                >>> and times 1/1/0/0/1
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but
                                >>> on/off) setting affects the results.
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> Any suggestions?
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                              • Pete Smith N4ZR
                                Dave, when you say it stutters , exactly what do you mean? Are you referring to difficulty forming characters properly when sending by hand? I have observed
                                Message 15 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                                  Dave, when you say it "stutters", exactly what do you mean?  Are you referring to difficulty forming characters properly when sending by hand? I have observed that setting the PTT lead time to more than about 20MS seems to introduce problems with hand-sent CW.  In particular, it puts pauses in before the R in N4ZR when I hand-send, which of course are not there when I send the same thing from memory or from the program.
                                  73, Pete N4ZR
                                  Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                  http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                  blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                  For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                  ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                  
                                  On 10/14/2013 12:10 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                  Pete, 

                                  My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570. Nope.

                                  With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on, WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM - but when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on the 570 stutters.

                                  If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570 (on Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.

                                  And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM locks up and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the computer.

                                  By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.

                                  Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to Key on radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end radios (I'm surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they automatically run a PTT signal from the WK also? 

                                  thanks,

                                  Dave


                                  On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                  Dave, I'm confused.  Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as you said in your first message.

                                  73, Pete N4ZR
                                  Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                  http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                  blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                  For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                  ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                  
                                  On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                  Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.
                                  On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                                  The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).

                                  Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.



                                  On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                  This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                                  73, Pete N4ZR
                                  Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                  http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                  blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                  For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                  ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                  
                                  On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                                  I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                                   
                                  73
                                  Greg
                                  AB7R
                                   


                                  On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                                   

                                   I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


                                  I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


                                  I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


                                  Anyother suggestions? thanks...



                                  ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

                                  1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


                                  2.Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


                                  73,

                                  RichVE3KI




                                  ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

                                  I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


                                  I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


                                  Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


                                  Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


                                  I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


                                  Any suggestions?











                                • Joe Subich, W4TV
                                  ... Are you using N1MM for rig control at the same time? The TS-430S controller was better than the TS-570D (worst of all Kenwoods) for being able to respond
                                  Message 16 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                                    > Bencher paddles, key line to key jack on a kenwood TS-430S and a PTT
                                    > Line from the win key to the like footswitch connection jack.


                                    Are you using N1MM for rig control at the same time? The TS-430S
                                    controller was better than the TS-570D (worst of all Kenwoods) for
                                    being able to respond to CAT polling while sending CW - it had less
                                    to do. In the TS-570 *even the straight key* is processed by the
                                    controller and polling will cause timing issues because the controller
                                    is not fast enough.


                                    The solution is to suspend polling while sending CW with the TS-570
                                    which N1MM appears to do for *stored messages*. The problem seems
                                    to be when N1MM does not know the TS-570 is in transmit (e.g. paddles
                                    or even a straight key connected to the rig).


                                    73,


                                    ... Joe, W4TV




                                    On 10/14/2013 2:43 PM, Joe wrote:
                                    > Thats what I got.
                                    >
                                    > Winkeyusb
                                    > Bencher paddles, key line to key jack on a kenwood TS-430S and a PTT Line from
                                    > the win key to the like footswitch connection jack.
                                    >
                                    > Works perfectly
                                    >
                                    > Joe WB9SBD
                                    > Sig
                                    > The Original Rolling Ball Clock
                                    > Idle Tyme
                                    > Idle-Tyme.com
                                    > http://www.idle-tyme.com
                                    > On 10/14/2013 11:10 AM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                    >> Pete,
                                    >>
                                    >> My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had
                                    >> thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570. Nope.
                                    >>
                                    >> With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on,
                                    >> WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM - but
                                    >> when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on the 570
                                    >> stutters.
                                    >>
                                    >> If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570 (on
                                    >> Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.
                                    >>
                                    >> And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM locks up
                                    >> and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the computer.
                                    >>
                                    >> By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.
                                    >>
                                    >> Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to Key on
                                    >> radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end radios (I'm
                                    >> surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they automatically run a
                                    >> PTT signal from the WK also?
                                    >>
                                    >> thanks,
                                    >>
                                    >> Dave
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...
                                    >> <mailto:n4zr@...>> wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> Dave, I'm confused. Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as
                                    >> you said in your first message.
                                    >>
                                    >> 73, Pete N4ZR
                                    >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                                    >> http://reversebeacon.net,
                                    >> blog atreversebeacon.blogspot.com <http://reversebeacon.blogspot.com>.
                                    >> For spots, please go to your favorite
                                    >> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                    >>
                                    >> On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                    >>> Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from
                                    >>> the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the
                                    >>> only com port with CW/Other selected.
                                    >>> On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I
                                    >>> currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times
                                    >>> in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                                    >>> The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing
                                    >>> else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well;
                                    >>> after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to
                                    >>> the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...
                                    >>> <mailto:n4zr@...>> wrote:
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config>
                                    >>> ports,other >Winkey tab. Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting
                                    >>> COM5. Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in
                                    >>> the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked. Two checks at
                                    >>> different levels are required. Finally, make sure you do not have
                                    >>> CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> 73, Pete N4ZR
                                    >>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                                    >>> http://reversebeacon.net,
                                    >>> blog atreversebeacon.blogspot.com <http://reversebeacon.blogspot.com>.
                                    >>> For spots, please go to your favorite
                                    >>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                                    >>>> I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also. Using a US Navigator
                                    >>>> interface with Winkey V2.1. The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and
                                    >>>> DM780. As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the
                                    >>>> N1MM messages won't play. Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey
                                    >>>> checked in the COM5 setup window. Any idea what is likely to be
                                    >>>> causing this?
                                    >>>> 73
                                    >>>> Greg
                                    >>>> AB7R
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...
                                    >>>> <mailto:dcharing@...>> wrote:
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer
                                    >>>> pin5=none.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the
                                    >>>> WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got
                                    >>>> settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> I don't see what else to experiment with - been through
                                    >>>> Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple
                                    >>>> times.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Any other suggestions? thanks...
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                                    >>>> <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>, <ve3ki@...>
                                    >>>> <mailto:ve3ki@...> wrote:
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> 1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a
                                    >>>> serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a
                                    >>>> radio control port.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> 2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi-
                                    >>>> (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if
                                    >>>> you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the
                                    >>>> WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this
                                    >>>> will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use
                                    >>>> both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one
                                    >>>> alone).
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> 73,
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Rich VE3KI
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                    >>>> <mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                                    >>>> <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the
                                    >>>> main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters.
                                    >>>> The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM
                                    >>>> is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry
                                    >>>> work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS
                                    >>>> and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other
                                    >>>> also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a
                                    >>>> setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control
                                    >>>> functions...
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and
                                    >>>> radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command
                                    >>>> CW mode, Pin6=None.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and
                                    >>>> times 1/1/0/0/1
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off)
                                    >>>> setting affects the results.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Any suggestions?
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >
                                  • Dave Haring
                                    Steve, I just moved Com4 to None (removed Kenwood), and there is no stuttering with the key. And I have to have VOX activated to key from N1MM F-keys (normally
                                    Message 17 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                                      Steve, I just moved Com4 to None (removed Kenwood), and there is no stuttering with the key. And I have to have VOX activated to key from N1MM F-keys (normally I don't for F-keys).


                                      On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Steve London <n2icarrl@...> wrote:
                                      Have you confirmed that if you change COM4 to None (i.e. disable radio control) and leave COM5 alone (controlling Winkey), then the stuttering stops ?

                                      73,
                                      Steve, N2IC


                                      On 10/14/2013 10:10 AM, Dave Haring wrote:


                                      Pete,

                                      My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG.
                                      I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the
                                      570. Nope.

                                      With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on,
                                      WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM
                                      - but when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW
                                      on the 570 stutters.

                                      If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570
                                      (on Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.

                                      And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM
                                      locks up and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of
                                      the computer.

                                      By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.

                                      Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to
                                      Key on radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end
                                      radios (I'm surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they
                                      automatically run a PTT signal from the WK also?

                                      thanks,

                                      Dave


                                      On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...
                                      <mailto:n4zr@...>> wrote:



                                          Dave, I'm confused.  Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at
                                          all, as you said in your first message.

                                          73, Pete N4ZR
                                          Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                                          http://reversebeacon.net,
                                          blog atreversebeacon.blogspot.com  <http://reversebeacon.blogspot.com>.

                                          For spots, please go to your favorite
                                          ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.

                                          On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                          Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off)
                                          from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer.
                                          That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.
                                          On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com
                                          5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and
                                          time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                                          The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off,
                                          nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are
                                          affecting me).

                                          Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio
                                          well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm
                                          using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.



                                          On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR
                                          <n4zr@... <mailto:n4zr@...>> wrote:



                                              This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM -
                                              Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey
                                              is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked
                                              on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey
                                              checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.
                                              Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any
                                              other COM port.

                                              73, Pete N4ZR
                                              Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                                              http://reversebeacon.net,
                                              blog atreversebeacon.blogspot.com  <http://reversebeacon.blogspot.com>.

                                              For spots, please go to your favorite
                                              ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.

                                              On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                                              I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US
                                              Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine
                                              with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles
                                              no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5
                                              for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup
                                              window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                                              73
                                              Greg
                                              AB7R


                                              On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...
                                              <mailto:dcharing@...>> wrote:

                                                   I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in
                                                  Configurer pin5=none.


                                                  I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with
                                                  the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've
                                                  got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


                                                  I don't see what else to experiment with - been through
                                                  Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options
                                                  multiple times.


                                                  Any other suggestions? thanks...



                                                  ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                                                  <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>, <ve3ki@...>
                                                  <mailto:ve3ki@...> wrote:

                                                  1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's
                                                  for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it,
                                                  not for a radio control port.


                                                  2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either
                                                  semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT?
                                                  Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a
                                                  cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's
                                                  PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT
                                                  via radio command (just don't use both methods in
                                                  parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


                                                  73,

                                                  Rich VE3KI




                                                  ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                                  <mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>,
                                                  <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                                                  <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

                                                  I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service
                                                  the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI
                                                  converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not
                                                  running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and
                                                  <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the
                                                  DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space
                                                  before everything resumes (actually, the other also
                                                  stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have
                                                  a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing
                                                  control functions...


                                                  I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM
                                                  and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via
                                                  radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


                                                  Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


                                                  Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5,
                                                  and times 1/1/0/0/1


                                                  I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but
                                                  on/off) setting affects the results.


                                                  Any suggestions?














                                    • Dave Haring
                                      Well, when I hold down the dit, I get a bunch of them and then a skip and then it resumes. Happens whether I turn the delay all the way off or anywhere in
                                      Message 18 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                                        Well, when I hold down the dit, I get a bunch of them and then a skip and then it resumes. Happens whether I turn the delay all the way off or anywhere in between. Usually doesn't happen on dots. Really throws off your timing with the key. Whether trying dits and dots, or letters or callsigns or names.


                                        On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                        Dave, when you say it "stutters", exactly what do you mean?  Are you referring to difficulty forming characters properly when sending by hand? I have observed that setting the PTT lead time to more than about 20MS seems to introduce problems with hand-sent CW.  In particular, it puts pauses in before the R in N4ZR when I hand-send, which of course are not there when I send the same thing from memory or from the program.

                                        73, Pete N4ZR
                                        Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                        http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                        blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                        For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                        ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                        
                                        On 10/14/2013 12:10 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                        Pete, 

                                        My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570. Nope.

                                        With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on, WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM - but when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on the 570 stutters.

                                        If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570 (on Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.

                                        And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM locks up and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the computer.

                                        By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.

                                        Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to Key on radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end radios (I'm surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they automatically run a PTT signal from the WK also? 

                                        thanks,

                                        Dave


                                        On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                        Dave, I'm confused.  Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as you said in your first message.

                                        73, Pete N4ZR
                                        Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                        http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                        blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                        For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                        ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                        
                                        On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                        Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.
                                        On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                                        The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).

                                        Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.



                                        On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                        This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                                        73, Pete N4ZR
                                        Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                        http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                        blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                        For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                        ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                        
                                        On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                                        I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                                         
                                        73
                                        Greg
                                        AB7R
                                         


                                        On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                                         

                                         I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


                                        I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


                                        I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


                                        Anyother suggestions? thanks...



                                        ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

                                        1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


                                        2.Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


                                        73,

                                        RichVE3KI




                                        ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

                                        I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


                                        I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


                                        Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


                                        Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


                                        I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


                                        Any suggestions?














                                      • Joe Subich, W4TV
                                        ... The controller in the TS-750D can not handle computer control and CW generation at the same time - it is under powered. If the leading edge of a CW
                                        Message 19 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                                          On 10/14/2013 4:15 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                          > Well, when I hold down the dit, I get a bunch of them and then a skip
                                          > and then it resumes. Happens whether I turn the delay all the way off
                                          > or anywhere in between.


                                          The controller in the TS-750D can not handle computer control and CW
                                          generation at the same time - it is under powered. If the leading
                                          edge of a CW element occurs just as the controller is processing a
                                          command from the computer - for example a poll for frequency - the
                                          controller *misses* the element. What you hear as "stutter" is a
                                          skipped dit or dah - the problem is more pronounced on dits because
                                          their leading edge occurs twice as often!


                                          That you don't get the "stutter" when you are not polling (RADIO =
                                          NONE) and that there is no stutter when sending messages from N1MM
                                          is confirmation that the issue is a conflict between manual CW and
                                          computer polling. The solution is to find some way that the software
                                          pauses polling whenever the TS-570 is in transmit - even when the
                                          software does not initiate the transmission.


                                          This issue is a known limitation of the TS-570 series - some versions
                                          are worse than others but all seem to have the problem to one degree or
                                          another.


                                          73,


                                          ... Joe, W4TV




                                          On 10/14/2013 4:15 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                          > Well, when I hold down the dit, I get a bunch of them and then a skip and
                                          > then it resumes. Happens whether I turn the delay all the way off or
                                          > anywhere in between. Usually doesn't happen on dots. Really throws off your
                                          > timing with the key. Whether trying dits and dots, or letters or callsigns
                                          > or names.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...>wrote:
                                          >
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> Dave, when you say it "stutters", exactly what do you mean? Are you
                                          >> referring to difficulty forming characters properly when sending by hand? I
                                          >> have observed that setting the PTT lead time to more than about 20MS
                                          >> seems to introduce problems with hand-sent CW. In particular, it puts
                                          >> pauses in before the R in N4ZR when I hand-send, which of course are not
                                          >> there when I send the same thing from memory or from the program.
                                          >>
                                          >> 73, Pete N4ZR
                                          >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net,
                                          >> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                          >> For spots, please go to your favorite
                                          >> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                          >>
                                          >> On 10/14/2013 12:10 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                          >>
                                          >> Pete,
                                          >>
                                          >> My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG.
                                          >> I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the
                                          >> 570. Nope.
                                          >>
                                          >> With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on,
                                          >> WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM -
                                          >> but when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on
                                          >> the 570 stutters.
                                          >>
                                          >> If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570
                                          >> (on Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.
                                          >>
                                          >> And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM
                                          >> locks up and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the
                                          >> computer.
                                          >>
                                          >> By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.
                                          >>
                                          >> Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to
                                          >> Key on radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end
                                          >> radios (I'm surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they
                                          >> automatically run a PTT signal from the WK also?
                                          >>
                                          >> thanks,
                                          >>
                                          >> Dave
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...>wrote:
                                          >>
                                          >>>
                                          >>>
                                          >>> Dave, I'm confused. Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all,
                                          >>> as you said in your first message.
                                          >>>
                                          >>> 73, Pete N4ZR
                                          >>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net,
                                          >>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                          >>> For spots, please go to your favorite
                                          >>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                          >>>
                                          >>> On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                          >>>
                                          >>> Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from
                                          >>> the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only
                                          >>> com port with CW/Other selected.
                                          >>> On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I
                                          >>> currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in
                                          >>> 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                                          >>> The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing
                                          >>> else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).
                                          >>>
                                          >>> Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well;
                                          >>> after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to
                                          >>> the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.
                                          >>>
                                          >>>
                                          >>>
                                          >>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...>wrote:
                                          >>>
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>> This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config>
                                          >>>> ports,other >Winkey tab. Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.
                                          >>>> Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the
                                          >>>> settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked. Two checks at different levels
                                          >>>> are required. Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any
                                          >>>> other COM port.
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
                                          >>>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net,
                                          >>>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                          >>>> For spots, please go to your favorite
                                          >>>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>> On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>> I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also. Using a US Navigator
                                          >>>> interface with Winkey V2.1. The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.
                                          >>>> As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages
                                          >>>> won't play. Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5
                                          >>>> setup window. Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>> 73
                                          >>>> Greg
                                          >>>> AB7R
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and
                                          >>>>> radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up;
                                          >>>>> not in the 570.
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> I don't see what else to experiment with - been through
                                          >>>>> Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> Any other suggestions? thanks...
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> <ve3ki@...> wrote:
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> 1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial
                                          >>>>> port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> 2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or
                                          >>>>> full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to
                                          >>>>> use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the
                                          >>>>> radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio
                                          >>>>> command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable
                                          >>>>> than either one alone).
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> 73,
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> Rich VE3KI
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main
                                          >>>>> rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine
                                          >>>>> using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message
                                          >>>>> buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT
                                          >>>>> paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes
                                          >>>>> (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I
                                          >>>>> suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing
                                          >>>>> control functions...
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio),
                                          >>>>> On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times
                                          >>>>> 1/1/0/0/1
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off)
                                          >>>>> setting affects the results.
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>> Any suggestions?
                                          >>>>>
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>>
                                          >>>
                                          >>>
                                          >>>
                                          >>>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >
                                        • Pete Smith N4ZR
                                          I m really confused. I know you have been working with Steve on some sort of interaction between the radio s CPU and CW. What happens if you turn on the
                                          Message 20 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                                            I'm really confused.  I know you have been working with Steve on some sort of interaction between the radio's CPU and CW.  What happens if you turn on the Winkey sidetone, disconnect the keying cable from the radio entirely, and send strings of dots and dashes from the paddle?  Do you still get the hiccups?
                                            73, Pete N4ZR
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                                            On 10/14/2013 4:15 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                            Well, when I hold down the dit, I get a bunch of them and then a skip and then it resumes. Happens whether I turn the delay all the way off or anywhere in between. Usually doesn't happen on dots. Really throws off your timing with the key. Whether trying dits and dots, or letters or callsigns or names.


                                            On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                            Dave, when you say it "stutters", exactly what do you mean?  Are you referring to difficulty forming characters properly when sending by hand? I have observed that setting the PTT lead time to more than about 20MS seems to introduce problems with hand-sent CW.  In particular, it puts pauses in before the R in N4ZR when I hand-send, which of course are not there when I send the same thing from memory or from the program.

                                            73, Pete N4ZR
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                                            On 10/14/2013 12:10 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                            Pete, 

                                            My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570. Nope.

                                            With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on, WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM - but when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on the 570 stutters.

                                            If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570 (on Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.

                                            And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM locks up and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the computer.

                                            By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.

                                            Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to Key on radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end radios (I'm surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they automatically run a PTT signal from the WK also? 

                                            thanks,

                                            Dave


                                            On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                            Dave, I'm confused.  Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as you said in your first message.

                                            73, Pete N4ZR
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                                            On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                            Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.
                                            On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                                            The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).

                                            Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.



                                            On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                            This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                                            73, Pete N4ZR
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                                            http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                            blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                            For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                            ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                            
                                            On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                                            I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                                             
                                            73
                                            Greg
                                            AB7R
                                             


                                            On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                                             

                                             I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


                                            I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


                                            I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


                                            Anyother suggestions? thanks...



                                            ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

                                            1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


                                            2.Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


                                            73,

                                            RichVE3KI




                                            ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

                                            I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


                                            I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


                                            Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


                                            Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


                                            I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


                                            Any suggestions?















                                          • Dave Haring
                                            I had to set the sidetone box on Winkey 2 to get tone. When the cable was unplugged from the rig, with N1MM running, WK-USB did not stutter when using the
                                            Message 21 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                                              I had to set the sidetone box on Winkey 2 to get tone. When the cable was unplugged from the rig, with N1MM running, WK-USB did not stutter when using the Vibroplex key.


                                              On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                              I'm really confused.  I know you have been working with Steve on some sort of interaction between the radio's CPU and CW.  What happens if you turn on the Winkey sidetone, disconnect the keying cable from the radio entirely, and send strings of dots and dashes from the paddle?  Do you still get the hiccups?
                                              73, Pete N4ZR
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                                              http://reversebeacon.net, 
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                                              For spots, please go to your favorite 
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                                              On 10/14/2013 4:15 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                              Well, when I hold down the dit, I get a bunch of them and then a skip and then it resumes. Happens whether I turn the delay all the way off or anywhere in between. Usually doesn't happen on dots. Really throws off your timing with the key. Whether trying dits and dots, or letters or callsigns or names.


                                              On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                              Dave, when you say it "stutters", exactly what do you mean?  Are you referring to difficulty forming characters properly when sending by hand? I have observed that setting the PTT lead time to more than about 20MS seems to introduce problems with hand-sent CW.  In particular, it puts pauses in before the R in N4ZR when I hand-send, which of course are not there when I send the same thing from memory or from the program.

                                              73, Pete N4ZR
                                              Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                              http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                              blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                              For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                              ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                              
                                              On 10/14/2013 12:10 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                              Pete, 

                                              My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570. Nope.

                                              With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on, WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM - but when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on the 570 stutters.

                                              If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570 (on Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.

                                              And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM locks up and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the computer.

                                              By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.

                                              Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to Key on radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end radios (I'm surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they automatically run a PTT signal from the WK also? 

                                              thanks,

                                              Dave


                                              On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                              Dave, I'm confused.  Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as you said in your first message.

                                              73, Pete N4ZR
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                                              http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                              blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                              For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                              ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                              
                                              On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                              Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.
                                              On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                                              The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).

                                              Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.



                                              On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                              This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                                              73, Pete N4ZR
                                              Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                              http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                              blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                              For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                              ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                              
                                              On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                                              I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                                               
                                              73
                                              Greg
                                              AB7R
                                               


                                              On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                                               

                                               I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


                                              I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


                                              I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


                                              Anyother suggestions? thanks...



                                              ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

                                              1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


                                              2.Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


                                              73,

                                              RichVE3KI




                                              ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

                                              I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


                                              I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


                                              Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


                                              Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


                                              I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


                                              Any suggestions?


















                                            • Jim Cassidy
                                              I have not followed the thread completely but the stuttering reminds me of an issue a friend had with a 570 many years ago. Using WriteLog in a contest the CW
                                              Message 22 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                                                I have not followed the thread completely but the stuttering reminds me of an issue a friend had with a 570 many years ago.  Using WriteLog in a contest the CW would sometimes just turn into gibberish for a short time and then work right.  The radios owner said it was some kind of firmware issue with the radio itself.  It was a real pain as we just had to wait until it started keying right again.


                                                From: "Dave Haring" <dcharing@...>
                                                To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:21:37 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [N1MM] RE: help needed with stuttering key using WinKeyer and 570D

                                                 

                                                I had to set the sidetone box on Winkey 2 to get tone. When the cable was unplugged from the rig, with N1MM running, WK-USB did not stutter when using the Vibroplex key.


                                                On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                                I'm really confused.  I know you have been working with Steve on some sort of interaction between the radio's CPU and CW.  What happens if you turn on the Winkey sidetone, disconnect the keying cable from the radio entirely, and send strings of dots and dashes from the paddle?  Do you still get the hiccups?
                                                73, Pete N4ZR
                                                Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                                http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                                blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                                For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                                ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                                
                                                On 10/14/2013 4:15 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                                Well, when I hold down the dit, I get a bunch of them and then a skip and then it resumes. Happens whether I turn the delay all the way off or anywhere in between. Usually doesn't happen on dots. Really throws off your timing with the key. Whether trying dits and dots, or letters or callsigns or names.


                                                On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                                Dave, when you say it "stutters", exactly what do you mean?  Are you referring to difficulty forming characters properly when sending by hand? I have observed that setting the PTT lead time to more than about 20MS seems to introduce problems with hand-sent CW.  In particular, it puts pauses in before the R in N4ZR when I hand-send, which of course are not there when I send the same thing from memory or from the program.

                                                73, Pete N4ZR
                                                Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                                http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                                blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                                For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                                ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                                
                                                On 10/14/2013 12:10 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                                Pete, 

                                                My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570. Nope.

                                                With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on, WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM - but when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on the 570 stutters.

                                                If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570 (on Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.

                                                And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM locks up and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the computer.

                                                By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.

                                                Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to Key on radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end radios (I'm surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they automatically run a PTT signal from the WK also? 

                                                thanks,

                                                Dave


                                                On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                                Dave, I'm confused.  Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as you said in your first message.

                                                73, Pete N4ZR
                                                Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                                http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                                blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                                For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                                ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                                
                                                On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                                Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.
                                                On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                                                The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).

                                                Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.



                                                On Sun, Oct                                      13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:


                                                This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                                                73, Pete N4ZR
                                                Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                                http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                                blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                                For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                                ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                                
                                                On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                                                I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?
                                                 
                                                73
                                                Greg
                                                AB7R
                                                 


                                                On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:
                                                 

                                                 I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.


                                                I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.


                                                I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.


                                                Anyother suggestions? thanks...



                                                ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

                                                1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.


                                                2.Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).


                                                73,

                                                RichVE3KI




                                                ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

                                                I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...


                                                I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.


                                                Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.


                                                Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1


                                                I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.


                                                Any suggestions?




















                                                --
                                                Jim Cassidy  

                                                KI7Y
                                              • Rex Maner
                                                Just a thought for what its worth, I have a TS-870 and at one time had a problem monitoring CW, If your problem is just in the monitoring, You might check
                                                Message 23 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013

                                                  Just a thought for what its worth,  I  have a  TS-870 and at one time had a problem monitoring CW,

                                                   

                                                  If your problem is just in the monitoring,  You  might check the voltage arriving at the Radio. 

                                                   

                                                  Rex K7QQ

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Haring
                                                  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:16 PM
                                                  To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Subject: Re: [N1MM] RE: help needed with stuttering key using WinKeyer and 570D

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  Well, when I hold down the dit, I get a bunch of them and then a skip and then it resumes. Happens whether I turn the delay all the way off or anywhere in between. Usually doesn't happen on dots. Really throws off your timing with the key. Whether trying dits and dots, or letters or callsigns or names.

                                                   

                                                  On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:

                                                   

                                                  Dave, when you say it "stutters", exactly what do you mean?  Are you referring to difficulty forming characters properly when sending by hand? I have observed that setting the PTT lead time to more than about 20MS seems to introduce problems with hand-sent CW.  In particular, it puts pauses in before the R in N4ZR when I hand-send, which of course are not there when I send the same thing from memory or from the program.



                                                  73, Pete N4ZR
                                                  Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                                  http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                                  blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                                  For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                                  ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.

                                                  On 10/14/2013 12:10 PM, Dave Haring wrote:

                                                  Pete, 

                                                   

                                                  My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570. Nope.

                                                   

                                                  With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on, WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM - but when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on the 570 stutters.

                                                   

                                                  If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570 (on Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.

                                                   

                                                  And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM locks up and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the computer.

                                                   

                                                  By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.

                                                   

                                                  Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to Key on radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end radios (I'm surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they automatically run a PTT signal from the WK also? 

                                                   

                                                  thanks,

                                                   

                                                  Dave

                                                   

                                                  On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:

                                                   

                                                  Dave, I'm confused.  Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as you said in your first message.

                                                  73, Pete N4ZR
                                                  Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                                  http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                                  blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                                  For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                                  ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.

                                                  On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:

                                                  Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the only com port with CW/Other selected.

                                                  On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times in 3 of the 5 last boxes.

                                                  The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).

                                                   

                                                  Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well; after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...> wrote:

                                                   

                                                  This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config> ports,other >Winkey tab.  Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at different levels are required.  Finally, make sure you do not have CW/Other checked on any other COM port.

                                                  73, Pete N4ZR
                                                  Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
                                                  http://reversebeacon.net, 
                                                  blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
                                                  For spots, please go to your favorite 
                                                  ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.

                                                  On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:

                                                  I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be causing this?

                                                   

                                                  73

                                                  Greg

                                                  AB7R

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...> wrote:

                                                   

                                                   I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer pin5=none.

                                                   

                                                  I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.

                                                   

                                                  I don't see what else to experiment with - been through Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple times.

                                                   

                                                  Any other suggestions? thanks...



                                                  ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com, <ve3ki@...> wrote:

                                                  1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a radio control port.

                                                   

                                                  2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi- (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one alone).

                                                   

                                                  73,

                                                  Rich VE3KI

                                                   



                                                  ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                  I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters. The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control functions...

                                                   

                                                  I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command CW mode, Pin6=None.

                                                   

                                                  Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.

                                                   

                                                  Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and times 1/1/0/0/1

                                                   

                                                  I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off) setting affects the results.

                                                   

                                                  Any suggestions?

                                                   



                                                   



                                                   



                                                   



                                                  ____________________________________________________________

                                                • Joe
                                                  The TS-430S can t computer talk, I wish it could but too old. Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com
                                                  Message 24 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                                                    The TS-430S can't computer talk, I wish it could but too old.

                                                    Joe WB9SBD
                                                    Sig
                                                    The Original Rolling Ball Clock
                                                    Idle Tyme
                                                    Idle-Tyme.com
                                                    http://www.idle-tyme.com
                                                    On 10/14/2013 2:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    Bencher paddles, key line to key jack on a kenwood TS-430S and a PTT
                                                    
                                                     > Line from the win key to the like footswitch connection jack.
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    Are you using N1MM for rig control at the same time?  The TS-430S
                                                    controller was better than the TS-570D (worst of all Kenwoods) for
                                                    being able to respond to CAT polling while sending CW - it had less
                                                    to do.  In the TS-570 *even the straight key* is processed by the 
                                                    controller and polling will cause timing issues because the controller 
                                                    is not fast enough.
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    The solution is to suspend polling while sending CW with the TS-570
                                                    which N1MM appears to do for *stored messages*.  The problem seems
                                                    to be when N1MM does not know the TS-570 is in transmit (e.g. paddles
                                                    or even a straight key connected to the rig).
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    73,
                                                    
                                                    
                                                        ... Joe, W4TV
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    On 10/14/2013 2:43 PM, Joe wrote:
                                                    
                                                    Thats what I got.
                                                    
                                                    Winkeyusb
                                                    Bencher paddles, key line to key jack on a kenwood TS-430S and a PTT Line from
                                                    the win key to  the like footswitch connection jack.
                                                    
                                                    Works perfectly
                                                    
                                                    Joe WB9SBD
                                                    Sig
                                                    The Original Rolling Ball Clock
                                                    Idle Tyme
                                                    Idle-Tyme.com
                                                    http://www.idle-tyme.com
                                                    On 10/14/2013 11:10 AM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                                    
                                                    Pete,
                                                    
                                                    My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had
                                                    thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570. Nope.
                                                    
                                                    With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on,
                                                    WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM - but
                                                    when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on the 570
                                                    stutters.
                                                    
                                                    If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570 (on
                                                    Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.
                                                    
                                                    And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM locks up
                                                    and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the computer.
                                                    
                                                    By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.
                                                    
                                                    Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to Key on
                                                    radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end radios (I'm
                                                    surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they automatically run a
                                                    PTT signal from the WK also?
                                                    
                                                    thanks,
                                                    
                                                    Dave
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...
                                                    <mailto:n4zr@...>> wrote:
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                        Dave, I'm confused.  Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as
                                                        you said in your first message.
                                                    
                                                        73, Pete N4ZR
                                                        Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                                                        http://reversebeacon.net,
                                                        blog atreversebeacon.blogspot.com  <http://reversebeacon.blogspot.com>.
                                                        For spots, please go to your favorite
                                                        ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                                    
                                                        On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                                    
                                                        Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from
                                                        the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the
                                                        only com port with CW/Other selected.
                                                        On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I
                                                        currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times
                                                        in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                                                        The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing
                                                        else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).
                                                    
                                                        Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well;
                                                        after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to
                                                        the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                        On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...
                                                        <mailto:n4zr@...>> wrote:
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                            This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config>
                                                            ports,other >Winkey tab. Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting
                                                            COM5.  Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in
                                                            the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked.  Two checks at
                                                            different levels are required. Finally, make sure you do not have
                                                            CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                                                    
                                                            73, Pete N4ZR
                                                            Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                                                            http://reversebeacon.net,
                                                            blog atreversebeacon.blogspot.com  <http://reversebeacon.blogspot.com>.
                                                            For spots, please go to your favorite
                                                            ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                                    
                                                            On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                                                    
                                                            I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also.  Using a US Navigator
                                                            interface with Winkey V2.1.  The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and
                                                            DM780.  As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the
                                                            N1MM messages won't play.  Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey
                                                            checked in the COM5 setup window.  Any idea what is likely to be
                                                            causing this?
                                                            73
                                                            Greg
                                                            AB7R
                                                    
                                                    
                                                            On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...
                                                            <mailto:dcharing@...>> wrote:
                                                    
                                                                 I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer
                                                                pin5=none.
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the
                                                                WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got
                                                                settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                I don't see what else to experiment with - been through
                                                                Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple
                                                                times.
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                Any other suggestions? thanks...
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                ---In n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                                                                <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>, <ve3ki@...>
                                                                <mailto:ve3ki@...> wrote:
                                                    
                                                                1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a
                                                                serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a
                                                                radio control port.
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi-
                                                                (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if
                                                                you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the
                                                                WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this
                                                                will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use
                                                                both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one
                                                                alone).
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                73,
                                                    
                                                                Rich VE3KI
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                ---In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                                                <mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                                                                <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
                                                    
                                                                I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the
                                                                main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters.
                                                                The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM
                                                                is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry
                                                                work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS
                                                                and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other
                                                                also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a
                                                                setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control
                                                                functions...
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and
                                                                radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command
                                                                CW mode, Pin6=None.
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and
                                                                times 1/1/0/0/1
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off)
                                                                setting affects the results.
                                                    
                                                    
                                                                Any suggestions?
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
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                                                  • Joe Subich, W4TV
                                                    You re right ... I was thinking of the TS-440. 73, ... Joe, W4TV
                                                    Message 25 of 25 , Oct 14, 2013
                                                      You're right ... I was thinking of the TS-440.


                                                      73,


                                                      ... Joe, W4TV




                                                      On 10/14/2013 7:06 PM, Joe wrote:
                                                      > The TS-430S can't computer talk, I wish it could but too old.
                                                      >
                                                      > Joe WB9SBD
                                                      > Sig
                                                      > The Original Rolling Ball Clock
                                                      > Idle Tyme
                                                      > Idle-Tyme.com
                                                      > http://www.idle-tyme.com
                                                      > On 10/14/2013 2:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Bencher paddles, key line to key jack on a kenwood TS-430S and a PTT
                                                      >> > Line from the win key to the like footswitch connection jack.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >> Are you using N1MM for rig control at the same time? The TS-430S
                                                      >> controller was better than the TS-570D (worst of all Kenwoods) for
                                                      >> being able to respond to CAT polling while sending CW - it had less
                                                      >> to do. In the TS-570 *even the straight key* is processed by the
                                                      >> controller and polling will cause timing issues because the controller
                                                      >> is not fast enough.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >> The solution is to suspend polling while sending CW with the TS-570
                                                      >> which N1MM appears to do for *stored messages*. The problem seems
                                                      >> to be when N1MM does not know the TS-570 is in transmit (e.g. paddles
                                                      >> or even a straight key connected to the rig).
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >> 73,
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >> ... Joe, W4TV
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >> On 10/14/2013 2:43 PM, Joe wrote:
                                                      >>> Thats what I got.
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> Winkeyusb
                                                      >>> Bencher paddles, key line to key jack on a kenwood TS-430S and a PTT Line from
                                                      >>> the win key to the like footswitch connection jack.
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> Works perfectly
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> Joe WB9SBD
                                                      >>> Sig
                                                      >>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
                                                      >>> Idle Tyme
                                                      >>> Idle-Tyme.com
                                                      >>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
                                                      >>> On 10/14/2013 11:10 AM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                                      >>>> Pete,
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> My last post said the problem was resolved, which was apparently WRONG. I had
                                                      >>>> thought that avoiding full break-in would unload the brain in the 570. Nope.
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> With N1MM off, WinKeyer controls the 570 w/o stuttering. With N1MM on,
                                                      >>>> WinKeyer controls the 570 without stuttering when activated through N1MM - but
                                                      >>>> when using a key plugged into WinKeyer, with N1MM running, the CW on the 570
                                                      >>>> stutters.
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> If I pull the Vibroplex from WK and stuff it into the back of the 570 (on
                                                      >>>> Paddle), it still stutters with N1MM running.
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> And if I try Handshake on both DTR and RTS on Com4 for the 570, N1MM locks up
                                                      >>>> and there is no way to shut it down without a hard reboot of the computer.
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> By the way, I'm back to 9600 8N1 for radio control.
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> Do you know if anyone else does this with just Paddle Output from WK to Key on
                                                      >>>> radio and a USB/Serial connection to radio for older or low-end radios (I'm
                                                      >>>> surrounded by mostly K3 users here in Forest), or do they automatically run a
                                                      >>>> PTT signal from the WK also?
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> thanks,
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> Dave
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...
                                                      >>>> <mailto:n4zr@...>> wrote:
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> Dave, I'm confused. Is the Winkeyer stuttering or not working at all, as
                                                      >>>> you said in your first message.
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
                                                      >>>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                                                      >>>> http://reversebeacon.net,
                                                      >>>> blog atreversebeacon.blogspot.com<http://reversebeacon.blogspot.com>.
                                                      >>>> For spots, please go to your favorite
                                                      >>>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> On 10/13/2013 1:01 PM, Dave Haring wrote:
                                                      >>>>> Pete, I have the WinKey box selected on Com5 also DTR=on, RTS=off) from
                                                      >>>>> the Set button for Com5 on the Hardware tab of Configurer. That's the
                                                      >>>>> only com port with CW/Other selected.
                                                      >>>>> On the Winkey tab in Configurer, I see no place to point it to Com 5. I
                                                      >>>>> currently have pin 5 = None, Iambic B, no boxes checked, and time times
                                                      >>>>> in 3 of the 5 last boxes.
                                                      >>>>> The Kenwood is currently on Com4 at 4800/8N2, DTR On, RTS Off, nothing
                                                      >>>>> else selected (although I don't believe those settings are affecting me).
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> Problem still remains: before N1MM runs, WinKeyer controls radio well;
                                                      >>>>> after starting N1MM, key thru WinKeyer stutters. On WK, I'm using Key1 to
                                                      >>>>> the radio and the key comes in on the Paddle jack.
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@...
                                                      >>>>> <mailto:n4zr@...>> wrote:
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> This points to problems in your Winkey setup under N1MM - Config>
                                                      >>>>> ports,other >Winkey tab. Check to be sure the Winkey is expecting
                                                      >>>>> COM5. Also check that you have CW/Other checked on COM5, and that in
                                                      >>>>> the settings for COM5, you have Winkey checked. Two checks at
                                                      >>>>> different levels are required. Finally, make sure you do not have
                                                      >>>>> CW/Other checked on any other COM port.
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
                                                      >>>>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
                                                      >>>>> http://reversebeacon.net,
                                                      >>>>> blog atreversebeacon.blogspot.com<http://reversebeacon.blogspot.com>.
                                                      >>>>> For spots, please go to your favorite
                                                      >>>>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> On 10/12/2013 9:19 PM, Greg wrote:
                                                      >>>>>> I'm having trouble with WinKey and N1MM also. Using a US Navigator
                                                      >>>>>> interface with Winkey V2.1. The Winkey works fine with WK2Mgr and
                                                      >>>>>> DM780. As soon as I start N1MM the paddles no longer work and the
                                                      >>>>>> N1MM messages won't play. Using COM5 for the Winkey port and Winkey
                                                      >>>>>> checked in the COM5 setup window. Any idea what is likely to be
                                                      >>>>>> causing this?
                                                      >>>>>> 73
                                                      >>>>>> Greg
                                                      >>>>>> AB7R
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <dcharing@...
                                                      >>>>>> <mailto:dcharing@...>> wrote:
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> I've unchecked Allow Ext Interrupts. Winkey in Configurer
                                                      >>>>>> pin5=none.
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> I see no change in behavior, but now realize that with the
                                                      >>>>>> WinKey and radio working ok before N1MM starts, I've got
                                                      >>>>>> settings in N1MM ginked up; not in the 570.
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> I don't see what else to experiment with - been through
                                                      >>>>>> Configurer>Hardware Com 5 and Winkey tabs and options multiple
                                                      >>>>>> times.
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> Any other suggestions? thanks...
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> ---Inn1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>>>>> <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>,<ve3ki@...>
                                                      >>>>>> <mailto:ve3ki@...> wrote:
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> 1. Uncheck the Allow ext interrupts check box - that's for a
                                                      >>>>>> serial port that has a footswitch connected to it, not for a
                                                      >>>>>> radio control port.
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> 2. Rather than PTT via radio command, why not use either semi-
                                                      >>>>>> (or full-) break-in on the radio and no PTT? Alternatively, if
                                                      >>>>>> you prefer to use PTT, you can run a cable between the
                                                      >>>>>> WinKeyer's PTT output and the radio's PTT input - I think this
                                                      >>>>>> will be more reliable than PTT via radio command (just don't use
                                                      >>>>>> both methods in parallel - that's less reliable than either one
                                                      >>>>>> alone).
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> 73,
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> Rich VE3KI
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> ---InN1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>>>>> <mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>, <n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>>>>> <mailto:n1mmlogger@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> I fired up my spare, the TS-570D, so that I could service the
                                                      >>>>>> main rig. Running N1MM with WinKeyer USB and FTDI converters.
                                                      >>>>>> The 570 keys fine using WK when N1MM is not running. When N1MM
                                                      >>>>>> is running, the message buttons and <CTRL-K> for keyboard entry
                                                      >>>>>> work fine, but holding the DIT paddle down produces 1 to 4 DITS
                                                      >>>>>> and then a space before everything resumes (actually, the other
                                                      >>>>>> also stutters; more noticeable with the DIT). I suspect I have a
                                                      >>>>>> setting wrong on the 570 and it's also implementing control
                                                      >>>>>> functions...
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> I've got the 570 on Com4, using 4800N8/2 (for both N1MM and
                                                      >>>>>> radio), On, On, Allow external interrupts, PTT via radio command
                                                      >>>>>> CW mode, Pin6=None.
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> Com5 is set DTR=On, RTS=Off, PTT=30, WinKey.
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> Winkey in Configurer is set Iambic B, Winkey PTT Pin 5, and
                                                      >>>>>> times 1/1/0/0/1
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> I'm using the Key jack on the 570. Neither Menu 22 (but on/off)
                                                      >>>>>> setting affects the results.
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> Any suggestions?
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>>
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