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  • Jay
    No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3 Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all icons BLUE for
    Message 1 of 23 , Apr 28, 2013
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      No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
      Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all icons
      BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines

      Very puzzling.....

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
      To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
      Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


      > Hi Bob
      >
      > My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
      > could
      > get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
      > Win7 machine
      >
      > I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working fine
      > with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a fourth PC
      > and
      > expending the network tables by 1. .
      >
      > The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not see the
      > Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
      >
      > Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them now and
      > see what happens
      >
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
      > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
      > Cc: "jay.kobelin" <PCB4U@...>
      > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
      > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
      >
      >
      > Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
      > whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
      > in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
      > the network.
      >
      > From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS > FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
      > the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
      > where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]" selection.
      > This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
      > sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
      >
      > As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
      > N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
      > when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't share the
      > folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
      > an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
      > tasks.
      >
      > 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
      >
      > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
      > On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
      >>
      >> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
      >> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
      >> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
      >> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
      >> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
      >>
      >> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
      >> open..don't know
      >>
      >> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
      >> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
      >> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
      >> 3) All IPs static
      >> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
      >> after a number of attempts
      >> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
      >> IPs manually)
      >>
      >> No idea where to go from here.
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
      >
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    • Steve London
      You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP messages from
      Message 2 of 23 , Apr 28, 2013
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        You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
        that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
        messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
        set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
        it received the UDP message from the other computer.

        You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
        ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.

        73,
        Steve, N2IC

        On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
        > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
        > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all icons
        > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
        >
        > Very puzzling.....
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@...>
        > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
        > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
        >
        >
        >> Hi Bob
        >>
        >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
        >> could
        >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
        >> Win7 machine
        >>
        >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working fine
        >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a fourth PC
        >> and
        >> expending the network tables by 1. .
        >>
        >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not see the
        >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
        >>
        >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them now and
        >> see what happens
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> ----- Original Message -----
        >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...>
        >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
        >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@...>
        >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
        >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
        >>
        >>
        >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
        >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
        >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
        >> the network.
        >>
        >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
        >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
        >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]" selection.
        >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
        >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
        >>
        >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
        >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
        >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't share the
        >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
        >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
        >> tasks.
        >>
        >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
        >>
        >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
        >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
        >>>
        >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
        >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
        >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
        >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
        >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
        >>>
        >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
        >>> open..don't know
        >>>
        >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
        >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
        >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
        >>> 3) All IPs static
        >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
        >>> after a number of attempts
        >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
        >>> IPs manually)
        >>>
        >>> No idea where to go from here.
        >>>
        >>>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >>
        >>
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      • Jay
        Steve Hard to believe no one out here has not seen this before .. it has to be some click here and there to get it going.... Don t understand why the 4th PC
        Message 3 of 23 , Apr 28, 2013
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          Steve

          Hard to believe no one out here has not seen this before .. it has to be
          some click here and there to get it going....

          Don't understand why the 4th PC under Win7 can see the other three machines
          but nobody can see the 4th machine and all 4 machines see the 3 SSB radios

          My guess is another XP machine would play just fine....

          Oh well

          Jay
          W2IJ

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Steve London" <n2ic@...>
          To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
          Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
          Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:49 PM
          Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


          > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
          > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
          > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
          > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
          > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
          >
          > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
          > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
          >
          > 73,
          > Steve, N2IC
          >
          > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
          >> No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
          >> Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
          >> icons
          >> BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
          >>
          >> Very puzzling.....
          >>
          >> ----- Original Message -----
          >> From: "Jay"<PCB4U@...>
          >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
          >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
          >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
          >>
          >>
          >>> Hi Bob
          >>>
          >>> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
          >>> could
          >>> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
          >>> Win7 machine
          >>>
          >>> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working fine
          >>> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a fourth PC
          >>> and
          >>> expending the network tables by 1. .
          >>>
          >>> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not see
          >>> the
          >>> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
          >>>
          >>> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them now
          >>> and
          >>> see what happens
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> ----- Original Message -----
          >>> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...>
          >>> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
          >>> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@...>
          >>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
          >>> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
          >>> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
          >>> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
          >>> the network.
          >>>
          >>> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
          >>> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
          >>> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]" selection.
          >>> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
          >>> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
          >>>
          >>> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
          >>> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
          >>> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't share the
          >>> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
          >>> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
          >>> tasks.
          >>>
          >>> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
          >>>
          >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
          >>> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
          >>>>
          >>>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
          >>>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
          >>>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
          >>>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
          >>>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
          >>>>
          >>>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
          >>>> open..don't know
          >>>>
          >>>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
          >>>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
          >>>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
          >>>> 3) All IPs static
          >>>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
          >>>> after a number of attempts
          >>>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
          >>>> IPs manually)
          >>>>
          >>>> No idea where to go from here.
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
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          >>>
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          >>>
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          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
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          >>
          >>
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        • Robert Chudek - K0RC
          Here are some SWAGs to consider... Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled. Is this a wired or wireless network? If it s hardwired,
          Message 4 of 23 , Apr 28, 2013
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            Here are some SWAGs to consider...

            Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

            Is this a wired or wireless network?

            If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
            network?

            It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
            This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
            you didn't know the configuration of that box!

            I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
            between a working machine and the new one.

            There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
            network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
            only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
            into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
            network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
            machines, as you have indicated.

            Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

            I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
            be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
            mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

            73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

            ------------------------------------------------------------------------
            On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
            >
            > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
            > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
            > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
            > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
            > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
            >
            > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
            > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
            >
            > 73,
            > Steve, N2IC
            >
            > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
            > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
            > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
            > icons
            > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
            > >
            > > Very puzzling.....
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
            > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
            > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
            > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
            > >
            > >
            > >> Hi Bob
            > >>
            > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
            > >> could
            > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
            > see the
            > >> Win7 machine
            > >>
            > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
            > fine
            > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
            > fourth PC
            > >> and
            > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
            > >>
            > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
            > see the
            > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
            > >>
            > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
            > now and
            > >> see what happens
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> ----- Original Message -----
            > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
            > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
            > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
            > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
            > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
            > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
            > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
            > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
            > >> the network.
            > >>
            > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
            > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
            > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
            > selection.
            > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
            > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
            > >>
            > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
            > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
            > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
            > share the
            > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
            > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
            > >> tasks.
            > >>
            > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
            > >>
            > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
            > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
            > >>>
            > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
            > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
            > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
            > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
            > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
            > >>>
            > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
            > >>> open..don't know
            > >>>
            > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
            > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
            > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
            > >>> 3) All IPs static
            > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
            > >>> after a number of attempts
            > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
            > >>> IPs manually)
            > >>>
            > >>> No idea where to go from here.
            > >>>
            > >>>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
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          • Ted Bryant
            Jay, do you have Turn on network discovery selected (Network Sharing Center/Advanced Settings) for the Windows 7 pc ? 73, Ted W4NZ ... From:
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              Jay, do you have "Turn on network discovery" selected (Network Sharing
              Center/Advanced Settings) for the Windows 7 pc ?

              73, Ted W4NZ


              -----Original Message-----
              From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of Jay
              Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:10 PM
              To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

              Steve

              Hard to believe no one out here has not seen this before .. it has to be
              some click here and there to get it going....

              Don't understand why the 4th PC under Win7 can see the other three machines
              but nobody can see the 4th machine and all 4 machines see the 3 SSB radios

              My guess is another XP machine would play just fine....

              Oh well

              Jay
              W2IJ

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Steve London" <n2ic@...>
              To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
              Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
              Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:49 PM
              Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


              > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
              > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
              > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
              > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
              > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
              >
              > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
              > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
              >
              > 73,
              > Steve, N2IC
              >
              > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
              >> No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
              >> Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
              >> icons
              >> BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
              >>
              >> Very puzzling.....
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: "Jay"<PCB4U@...>
              >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
              >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
              >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
              >>
              >>
              >>> Hi Bob
              >>>
              >>> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
              >>> could
              >>> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
              >>> Win7 machine
              >>>
              >>> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working fine
              >>> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a fourth PC
              >>> and
              >>> expending the network tables by 1. .
              >>>
              >>> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not see
              >>> the
              >>> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
              >>>
              >>> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them now
              >>> and
              >>> see what happens
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> ----- Original Message -----
              >>> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...>
              >>> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
              >>> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@...>
              >>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
              >>> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
              >>> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
              >>> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
              >>> the network.
              >>>
              >>> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
              >>> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
              >>> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]" selection.
              >>> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
              >>> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
              >>>
              >>> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
              >>> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
              >>> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't share the
              >>> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
              >>> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
              >>> tasks.
              >>>
              >>> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
              >>>
              >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              >>> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
              >>>>
              >>>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
              >>>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
              >>>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
              >>>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
              >>>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
              >>>>
              >>>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
              >>>> open..don't know
              >>>>
              >>>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
              >>>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
              >>>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
              >>>> 3) All IPs static
              >>>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
              >>>> after a number of attempts
              >>>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
              >>>> IPs manually)
              >>>>
              >>>> No idea where to go from here.
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
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            • Jay
              Ted Yes Jay ... From: Ted Bryant To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:12 PM Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with
              Message 6 of 23 , Apr 28, 2013
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                Ted

                Yes

                Jay

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@...>
                To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:12 PM
                Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                Jay, do you have "Turn on network discovery" selected (Network Sharing
                Center/Advanced Settings) for the Windows 7 pc ?

                73, Ted W4NZ


                -----Original Message-----
                From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of Jay
                Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:10 PM
                To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                Steve

                Hard to believe no one out here has not seen this before .. it has to be
                some click here and there to get it going....

                Don't understand why the 4th PC under Win7 can see the other three machines
                but nobody can see the 4th machine and all 4 machines see the 3 SSB radios

                My guess is another XP machine would play just fine....

                Oh well

                Jay
                W2IJ

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Steve London" <n2ic@...>
                To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:49 PM
                Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                >
                > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                >
                > 73,
                > Steve, N2IC
                >
                > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                >> No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                >> Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                >> icons
                >> BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                >>
                >> Very puzzling.....
                >>
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Jay"<PCB4U@...>
                >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                >>
                >>
                >>> Hi Bob
                >>>
                >>> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                >>> could
                >>> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
                >>> Win7 machine
                >>>
                >>> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working fine
                >>> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a fourth PC
                >>> and
                >>> expending the network tables by 1. .
                >>>
                >>> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not see
                >>> the
                >>> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                >>>
                >>> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them now
                >>> and
                >>> see what happens
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> ----- Original Message -----
                >>> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...>
                >>> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                >>> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@...>
                >>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                >>> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                >>> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                >>> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                >>> the network.
                >>>
                >>> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                >>> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                >>> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]" selection.
                >>> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                >>> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                >>>
                >>> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                >>> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                >>> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't share the
                >>> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                >>> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                >>> tasks.
                >>>
                >>> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                >>>
                >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                >>> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                >>>>
                >>>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                >>>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                >>>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                >>>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                >>>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                >>>>
                >>>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                >>>> open..don't know
                >>>>
                >>>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                >>>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                >>>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                >>>> 3) All IPs static
                >>>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                >>>> after a number of attempts
                >>>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                >>>> IPs manually)
                >>>>
                >>>> No idea where to go from here.
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >>>
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              • Jay
                Hi Bob I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,, ... From: Robert Chudek - K0RC To: Cc: Jay
                Message 7 of 23 , Apr 28, 2013
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                  Hi Bob

                  I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                  To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                  Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                  Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                  Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                  Here are some SWAGs to consider...

                  Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

                  All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.

                  Is this a wired or wireless network?


                  Wired


                  If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                  network?

                  Ethernet 5 port switch


                  It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                  This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                  you didn't know the configuration of that box!

                  I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                  between a working machine and the new one.

                  All cables swapped around...

                  There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                  network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                  only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                  into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                  network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                  machines, as you have indicated.

                  Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

                  Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the encryption




                  I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                  be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                  mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

                  73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

                  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                  On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                  >
                  > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                  > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                  > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                  > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                  > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                  >
                  > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                  > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                  >
                  > 73,
                  > Steve, N2IC
                  >
                  > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                  > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                  > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                  > icons
                  > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                  > >
                  > > Very puzzling.....
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                  > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                  > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                  > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >> Hi Bob
                  > >>
                  > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                  > >> could
                  > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                  > see the
                  > >> Win7 machine
                  > >>
                  > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                  > fine
                  > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                  > fourth PC
                  > >> and
                  > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                  > >>
                  > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                  > see the
                  > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                  > >>
                  > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                  > now and
                  > >> see what happens
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                  > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                  > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                  > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                  > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                  > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                  > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                  > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                  > >> the network.
                  > >>
                  > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                  > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                  > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                  > selection.
                  > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                  > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                  > >>
                  > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                  > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                  > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                  > share the
                  > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                  > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                  > >> tasks.
                  > >>
                  > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                  > >>
                  > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                  > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                  > >>>
                  > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                  > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                  > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                  > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                  > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                  > >>>
                  > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                  > >>> open..don't know
                  > >>>
                  > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                  > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                  > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                  > >>> 3) All IPs static
                  > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                  > >>> after a number of attempts
                  > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                  > >>> IPs manually)
                  > >>>
                  > >>> No idea where to go from here.
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>
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                  > >>
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                • Norman Schklar
                  A couple weeks ago I used N1MM for the Georgia QSO party. I had a problem like you are reporting. One the computer just wouldn t connect, I finally ran
                  Message 8 of 23 , Apr 29, 2013
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                    A couple weeks ago I used N1MM for the Georgia QSO party. I had a problem
                    like you are reporting.
                    One the computer just wouldn't connect, I finally ran IPCONFIG /remove then
                    IPCONFIG /renew.

                    You would guess that a restart would have worked, but it didn't.

                    I don't have any idea if this will help in your situation, but it might be
                    worth a try.

                    You shouldn't need to copy the database, it'll just update on each PC on
                    the network. You can do an export from either one of them.

                    I was using computer names instead of ip addresses.

                    Norm WA4ZXV


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                  • Jay
                    All Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP machines
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                      All

                      Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There
                      was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                      machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving data
                      between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the database.
                      As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                      think is the expression)

                      Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs with
                      an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                      but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.

                      All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                      defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                      log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.

                      The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                      machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                      also BLUE.

                      So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                      4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?

                      Color Status
                      1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                      2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.

                      Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get to
                      the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                      SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on for
                      the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?

                      Jay
                      W2IJ



                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                      To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                      Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                      Hi Bob

                      I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                      To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                      Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                      Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                      Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                      Here are some SWAGs to consider...

                      Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

                      All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.

                      Is this a wired or wireless network?


                      Wired


                      If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                      network?

                      Ethernet 5 port switch


                      It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                      This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                      you didn't know the configuration of that box!

                      I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                      between a working machine and the new one.

                      All cables swapped around...

                      There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                      network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                      only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                      into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                      network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                      machines, as you have indicated.

                      Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

                      Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                      encryption




                      I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                      be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                      mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

                      73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

                      ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                      On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                      >
                      > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                      > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                      > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                      > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                      > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                      >
                      > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                      > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                      >
                      > 73,
                      > Steve, N2IC
                      >
                      > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                      > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                      > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                      > icons
                      > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                      > >
                      > > Very puzzling.....
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                      > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                      > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                      > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >> Hi Bob
                      > >>
                      > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                      > >> could
                      > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                      > see the
                      > >> Win7 machine
                      > >>
                      > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                      > fine
                      > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                      > fourth PC
                      > >> and
                      > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                      > >>
                      > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                      > see the
                      > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                      > >>
                      > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                      > now and
                      > >> see what happens
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                      > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                      > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                      > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                      > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                      > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                      > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                      > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                      > >> the network.
                      > >>
                      > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                      > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                      > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                      > selection.
                      > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                      > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                      > >>
                      > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                      > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                      > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                      > share the
                      > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                      > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                      > >> tasks.
                      > >>
                      > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                      > >>
                      > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                      > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                      > >>>
                      > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                      > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                      > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                      > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                      > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                      > >>>
                      > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                      > >>> open..don't know
                      > >>>
                      > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                      > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                      > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                      > >>> 3) All IPs static
                      > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                      > >>> after a number of attempts
                      > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                      > >>> IPs manually)
                      > >>>
                      > >>> No idea where to go from here.
                      > >>>
                      > >>>
                      > >>
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                    • Ted Bryant
                      Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping its own network interface card? Any firewalls turned on? I have an XP/SP3 machine
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                        Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                        its own network interface card?

                        Any firewalls turned on?

                        I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                        far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.

                        73, Ted W4NZ



                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                        Behalf Of Jay
                        Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:12 AM
                        To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                        All

                        Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There
                        was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                        machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving data
                        between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the database.
                        As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                        think is the expression)

                        Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs with
                        an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                        but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.

                        All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                        defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                        log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.

                        The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                        machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                        also BLUE.

                        So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                        4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?

                        Color Status
                        1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                        2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.

                        Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get to
                        the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                        SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on for
                        the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?

                        Jay
                        W2IJ



                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                        To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                        Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                        Hi Bob

                        I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                        To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                        Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                        Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                        Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                        Here are some SWAGs to consider...

                        Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

                        All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.

                        Is this a wired or wireless network?


                        Wired


                        If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                        network?

                        Ethernet 5 port switch


                        It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                        This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                        you didn't know the configuration of that box!

                        I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                        between a working machine and the new one.

                        All cables swapped around...

                        There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                        network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                        only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                        into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                        network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                        machines, as you have indicated.

                        Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

                        Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                        encryption




                        I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                        be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                        mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

                        73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

                        ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                        >
                        > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                        > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                        > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                        > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                        > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                        >
                        > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                        > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                        >
                        > 73,
                        > Steve, N2IC
                        >
                        > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                        > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                        > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                        > icons
                        > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                        > >
                        > > Very puzzling.....
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                        > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                        > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                        > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >> Hi Bob
                        > >>
                        > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                        > >> could
                        > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                        > see the
                        > >> Win7 machine
                        > >>
                        > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                        > fine
                        > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                        > fourth PC
                        > >> and
                        > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                        > >>
                        > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                        > see the
                        > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                        > >>
                        > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                        > now and
                        > >> see what happens
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                        > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                        > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                        > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                        > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                        > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                        > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                        > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                        > >> the network.
                        > >>
                        > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                        > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                        > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                        > selection.
                        > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                        > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                        > >>
                        > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                        > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                        > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                        > share the
                        > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                        > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                        > >> tasks.
                        > >>
                        > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                        > >>
                        > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                        > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                        > >>>
                        > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                        > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                        > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                        > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                        > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                        > >>>
                        > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                        > >>> open..don't know
                        > >>>
                        > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                        > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                        > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                        > >>> 3) All IPs static
                        > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                        > >>> after a number of attempts
                        > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                        > >>> IPs manually)
                        > >>>
                        > >>> No idea where to go from here.
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>
                        > >>
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                        Now that is a good question.....I will start up the system and get back to you ... From: Ted Bryant To: Sent:
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                          Now that is a good question.....I will start up the system and get back to
                          you



                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@...>
                          To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                          Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                          Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                          its own network interface card?

                          Any firewalls turned on?

                          I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                          far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.

                          73, Ted W4NZ



                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                          Behalf Of Jay
                          Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:12 AM
                          To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                          All

                          Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There
                          was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                          machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving data
                          between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the database.
                          As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                          think is the expression)

                          Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs with
                          an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                          but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.

                          All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                          defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                          log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.

                          The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                          machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                          also BLUE.

                          So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                          4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?

                          Color Status
                          1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                          2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.

                          Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get to
                          the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                          SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on for
                          the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?

                          Jay
                          W2IJ



                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                          To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                          Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                          Hi Bob

                          I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,


                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                          To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                          Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                          Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                          Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                          Here are some SWAGs to consider...

                          Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

                          All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.

                          Is this a wired or wireless network?


                          Wired


                          If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                          network?

                          Ethernet 5 port switch


                          It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                          This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                          you didn't know the configuration of that box!

                          I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                          between a working machine and the new one.

                          All cables swapped around...

                          There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                          network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                          only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                          into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                          network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                          machines, as you have indicated.

                          Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

                          Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                          encryption




                          I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                          be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                          mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

                          73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

                          ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                          On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                          >
                          > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                          > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                          > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                          > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                          > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                          >
                          > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                          > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                          >
                          > 73,
                          > Steve, N2IC
                          >
                          > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                          > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                          > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                          > icons
                          > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                          > >
                          > > Very puzzling.....
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                          > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                          > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >> Hi Bob
                          > >>
                          > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                          > >> could
                          > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                          > see the
                          > >> Win7 machine
                          > >>
                          > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                          > fine
                          > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                          > fourth PC
                          > >> and
                          > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                          > >>
                          > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                          > see the
                          > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                          > >>
                          > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                          > now and
                          > >> see what happens
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> ----- Original Message -----
                          > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                          > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                          > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                          > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                          > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                          > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                          > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                          > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                          > >> the network.
                          > >>
                          > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                          > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                          > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                          > selection.
                          > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                          > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                          > >>
                          > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                          > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                          > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                          > share the
                          > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                          > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                          > >> tasks.
                          > >>
                          > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                          > >>
                          > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                          > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                          > >>>
                          > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                          > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                          > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                          > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                          > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                          > >>>
                          > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                          > >>> open..don't know
                          > >>>
                          > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                          > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                          > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                          > >>> 3) All IPs static
                          > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                          > >>> after a number of attempts
                          > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                          > >>> IPs manually)
                          > >>>
                          > >>> No idea where to go from here.
                          > >>>
                          > >>>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
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                        • Jay
                          HI Ted Well..isn t what I just found interesting. N1MM identifies the IP for SYNC as 192.168.0.69 Win7 machine static IP is 192.168.0.7 using TCP/IP version 4
                          Message 12 of 23 , Apr 29, 2013
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                            HI Ted

                            Well..isn't what I just found interesting.

                            N1MM identifies the IP for SYNC as 192.168.0.69
                            Win7 machine static IP is 192.168.0.7 using TCP/IP version 4 (that's the IP
                            in all tables for SYNC)
                            Win7 machine Subnet Mask is the usual 255.255.255.0
                            DHCP not enabled
                            NetBios over TCP/IP/IP Yes

                            Hmmmmmm......now we know why...how to get the 192.168.0.69 to 192.168.0.7
                            even though I have it is a static IP of 192.168.0.7 in Win7 machine and the
                            Network Connection Detail window shows it as 192.168.0.7

                            Jay
                            W2IJ







                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@...>
                            To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                            Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                            Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                            its own network interface card?

                            Any firewalls turned on?

                            I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                            far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.

                            73, Ted W4NZ



                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                            Behalf Of Jay
                            Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:12 AM
                            To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                            All

                            Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There
                            was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                            machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving data
                            between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the database.
                            As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                            think is the expression)

                            Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs with
                            an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                            but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.

                            All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                            defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                            log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.

                            The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                            machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                            also BLUE.

                            So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                            4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?

                            Color Status
                            1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                            2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.

                            Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get to
                            the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                            SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on for
                            the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?

                            Jay
                            W2IJ



                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                            To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                            Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                            Hi Bob

                            I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,


                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                            To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                            Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                            Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                            Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                            Here are some SWAGs to consider...

                            Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

                            All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.

                            Is this a wired or wireless network?


                            Wired


                            If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                            network?

                            Ethernet 5 port switch


                            It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                            This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                            you didn't know the configuration of that box!

                            I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                            between a working machine and the new one.

                            All cables swapped around...

                            There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                            network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                            only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                            into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                            network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                            machines, as you have indicated.

                            Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

                            Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                            encryption




                            I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                            be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                            mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

                            73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

                            ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                            >
                            > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                            > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                            > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                            > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                            > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                            >
                            > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                            > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                            >
                            > 73,
                            > Steve, N2IC
                            >
                            > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                            > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                            > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                            > icons
                            > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                            > >
                            > > Very puzzling.....
                            > >
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                            > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                            > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                            > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >> Hi Bob
                            > >>
                            > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                            > >> could
                            > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                            > see the
                            > >> Win7 machine
                            > >>
                            > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                            > fine
                            > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                            > fourth PC
                            > >> and
                            > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                            > >>
                            > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                            > see the
                            > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                            > >>
                            > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                            > now and
                            > >> see what happens
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >> ----- Original Message -----
                            > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                            > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                            > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                            > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                            > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                            > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                            > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                            > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                            > >> the network.
                            > >>
                            > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                            > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                            > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                            > selection.
                            > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                            > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                            > >>
                            > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                            > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                            > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                            > share the
                            > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                            > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                            > >> tasks.
                            > >>
                            > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                            > >>
                            > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                            > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                            > >>>
                            > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                            > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                            > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                            > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                            > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                            > >>>
                            > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                            > >>> open..don't know
                            > >>>
                            > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                            > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                            > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                            > >>> 3) All IPs static
                            > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                            > >>> after a number of attempts
                            > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                            > >>> IPs manually)
                            > >>>
                            > >>> No idea where to go from here.
                            > >>>
                            > >>>
                            > >>
                            > >>
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                          • Jay
                            RESOLVED I found the wireless connection enabled....disabled it and VOILA ! All GREEN...and a GAB message went out from the SYNC machine and all machines got
                            Message 13 of 23 , Apr 29, 2013
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                              RESOLVED

                              I found the wireless connection enabled....disabled it and VOILA !

                              All GREEN...and a GAB message went out from the SYNC machine and all machines got it...finally....whew.....

                              Jay
                              W2IJ


                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                              To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:24 AM
                              Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                              > HI Ted
                              >
                              > Well..isn't what I just found interesting.
                              >
                              > N1MM identifies the IP for SYNC as 192.168.0.69
                              > Win7 machine static IP is 192.168.0.7 using TCP/IP version 4 (that's the IP
                              > in all tables for SYNC)
                              > Win7 machine Subnet Mask is the usual 255.255.255.0
                              > DHCP not enabled
                              > NetBios over TCP/IP/IP Yes
                              >
                              > Hmmmmmm......now we know why...how to get the 192.168.0.69 to 192.168.0.7
                              > even though I have it is a static IP of 192.168.0.7 in Win7 machine and the
                              > Network Connection Detail window shows it as 192.168.0.7
                              >
                              > Jay
                              > W2IJ
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@...>
                              > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                              > Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                              > its own network interface card?
                              >
                              > Any firewalls turned on?
                              >
                              > I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                              > far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.
                              >
                              > 73, Ted W4NZ
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                              > Behalf Of Jay
                              > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:12 AM
                              > To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                              > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                              >
                              > All
                              >
                              > Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There
                              > was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                              > machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving data
                              > between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the database.
                              > As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                              > think is the expression)
                              >
                              > Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs with
                              > an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                              > but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.
                              >
                              > All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                              > defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                              > log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.
                              >
                              > The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                              > machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                              > also BLUE.
                              >
                              > So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                              > 4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?
                              >
                              > Color Status
                              > 1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                              > 2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.
                              >
                              > Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get to
                              > the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                              > SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on for
                              > the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?
                              >
                              > Jay
                              > W2IJ
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                              > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                              >
                              >
                              > Hi Bob
                              >
                              > I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                              > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                              > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                              >
                              >
                              > Here are some SWAGs to consider...
                              >
                              > Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.
                              >
                              > All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.
                              >
                              > Is this a wired or wireless network?
                              >
                              >
                              > Wired
                              >
                              >
                              > If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                              > network?
                              >
                              > Ethernet 5 port switch
                              >
                              >
                              > It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                              > This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                              > you didn't know the configuration of that box!
                              >
                              > I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                              > between a working machine and the new one.
                              >
                              > All cables swapped around...
                              >
                              > There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                              > network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                              > only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                              > into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                              > network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                              > machines, as you have indicated.
                              >
                              > Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l
                              >
                              > Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                              > encryption
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                              > be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                              > mixing different flavors of OS on a network.
                              >
                              > 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                              >
                              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              > On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                              >>
                              >> You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                              >> that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                              >> messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                              >> set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                              >> it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                              >>
                              >> You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                              >> ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                              >>
                              >> 73,
                              >> Steve, N2IC
                              >>
                              >> On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                              >> > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                              >> > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                              >> icons
                              >> > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                              >> >
                              >> > Very puzzling.....
                              >> >
                              >> > ----- Original Message -----
                              >> > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                              >> > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                              >> > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                              >> > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> >> Hi Bob
                              >> >>
                              >> >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                              >> >> could
                              >> >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                              >> see the
                              >> >> Win7 machine
                              >> >>
                              >> >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                              >> fine
                              >> >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                              >> fourth PC
                              >> >> and
                              >> >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                              >> >>
                              >> >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                              >> see the
                              >> >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                              >> >>
                              >> >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                              >> now and
                              >> >> see what happens
                              >> >>
                              >> >>
                              >> >>
                              >> >> ----- Original Message -----
                              >> >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                              >> <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                              >> >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                              >> >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                              >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                              >> >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                              >> >>
                              >> >>
                              >> >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                              >> >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                              >> >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                              >> >> the network.
                              >> >>
                              >> >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                              >> >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                              >> >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                              >> selection.
                              >> >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                              >> >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                              >> >>
                              >> >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                              >> >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                              >> >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                              >> share the
                              >> >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                              >> >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                              >> >> tasks.
                              >> >>
                              >> >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                              >> >>
                              >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                              >> >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                              >> >>>
                              >> >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                              >> >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                              >> >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                              >> >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                              >> >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                              >> >>>
                              >> >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                              >> >>> open..don't know
                              >> >>>
                              >> >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                              >> >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                              >> >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                              >> >>> 3) All IPs static
                              >> >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                              >> >>> after a number of attempts
                              >> >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                              >> >>> IPs manually)
                              >> >>>
                              >> >>> No idea where to go from here.
                              >> >>>
                              >> >>>
                              >> >>
                              >> >>
                              >> >>
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                              >> >>
                              >> >>
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                              I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS wireless
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                                I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS wireless router. We were using computer names. It was very difficult to get working, and when his laptop decided to reboot for some reason, we lost contact with it -- we were getting the Blue indication in the Info window. Luckily one of our ops was Byron, N6NUL, who is a programmer working for Cisco. When he showed up for his shift, I pointed him at the Win7 box and asked him to beat it into submission. 45 minutes later, it was working, and he found a lot of stuff wrong. 

                                I had a similar experience on a California QSO Party county expedition with four stations through a wireless router. Laptops that worked at home through my router didn't all see each other through the different router on the expedition. After returning home, I recruited a local ham friend with lots of networking experience to troubleshoot the issues with my three machines. After 3+ hours of work he found lots of issues in the configuration of the three machines (all T4x Thinkpads I had bought as off-lease refurbs) and finally gotten them to dance together properly. 

                                I've been successfully configuring my own home office networks for 20 years supporting separate consulting businesses for my XYL and myself using machines that ran everything from DOS to OS/2 to NT, Win2K Pro and XP Pro, but the stuff he ran into was way over my head. 

                                IMO, a large part of the problem is that these operating systems and their networking systems increasingly have a mind of their own, configure themselves to take the user out of it, and are VERY poorly documented.


                                73, Jim K9YC



                                ________________________________
                                From: Ted Bryant <w4nz@...>
                                To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                                Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue?  Can it ping
                                its own network interface card?

                                Any firewalls turned on?

                                I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.


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                              • Ted Bryant
                                FB! Congratulations, Jay. Maybe this would make a good note for the documentation on networking - make sure that there is only ONE networking connection
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                                  FB! Congratulations, Jay. Maybe this would make a good note for the
                                  documentation on networking - make sure that there is only ONE networking
                                  connection possible per computer.

                                  73, Ted W4NZ


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                                  From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                                  Behalf Of Jay
                                  Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 8:41 AM
                                  To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                                  RESOLVED

                                  I found the wireless connection enabled....disabled it and VOILA !

                                  All GREEN...and a GAB message went out from the SYNC machine and all
                                  machines got it...finally....whew.....

                                  Jay
                                  W2IJ


                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                                  To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:24 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                                  > HI Ted
                                  >
                                  > Well..isn't what I just found interesting.
                                  >
                                  > N1MM identifies the IP for SYNC as 192.168.0.69
                                  > Win7 machine static IP is 192.168.0.7 using TCP/IP version 4 (that's the
                                  IP
                                  > in all tables for SYNC)
                                  > Win7 machine Subnet Mask is the usual 255.255.255.0
                                  > DHCP not enabled
                                  > NetBios over TCP/IP/IP Yes
                                  >
                                  > Hmmmmmm......now we know why...how to get the 192.168.0.69 to 192.168.0.7
                                  > even though I have it is a static IP of 192.168.0.7 in Win7 machine and
                                  the
                                  > Network Connection Detail window shows it as 192.168.0.7
                                  >
                                  > Jay
                                  > W2IJ
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@...>
                                  > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                  > Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                                  > its own network interface card?
                                  >
                                  > Any firewalls turned on?
                                  >
                                  > I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                  > far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.
                                  >
                                  > 73, Ted W4NZ
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > -----Original Message-----
                                  > From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                                  > Behalf Of Jay
                                  > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:12 AM
                                  > To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >
                                  > All
                                  >
                                  > Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now.
                                  There
                                  > was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                                  > machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving
                                  data
                                  > between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the
                                  database.
                                  > As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                                  > think is the expression)
                                  >
                                  > Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs
                                  with
                                  > an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                                  > but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.
                                  >
                                  > All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                                  > defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                                  > log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.
                                  >
                                  > The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                                  > machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                                  > also BLUE.
                                  >
                                  > So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                                  > 4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?
                                  >
                                  > Color Status
                                  > 1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                                  > 2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.
                                  >
                                  > Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get
                                  to
                                  > the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                                  > SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on
                                  for
                                  > the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?
                                  >
                                  > Jay
                                  > W2IJ
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                                  > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Hi Bob
                                  >
                                  > I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                                  > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                                  > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Here are some SWAGs to consider...
                                  >
                                  > Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.
                                  >
                                  > All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.
                                  >
                                  > Is this a wired or wireless network?
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Wired
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                                  > network?
                                  >
                                  > Ethernet 5 port switch
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                                  > This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                                  > you didn't know the configuration of that box!
                                  >
                                  > I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                                  > between a working machine and the new one.
                                  >
                                  > All cables swapped around...
                                  >
                                  > There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                                  > network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                                  > only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                                  > into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                                  > network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                                  > machines, as you have indicated.
                                  >
                                  > Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l
                                  >
                                  > Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                                  > encryption
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                                  > be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                                  > mixing different flavors of OS on a network.
                                  >
                                  > 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                                  >
                                  > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  > On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                                  >>
                                  >> You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                                  >> that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                                  >> messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                                  >> set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                                  >> it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                                  >>
                                  >> You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                                  >> ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                                  >>
                                  >> 73,
                                  >> Steve, N2IC
                                  >>
                                  >> On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                                  >> > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                                  >> > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                                  >> icons
                                  >> > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Very puzzling.....
                                  >> >
                                  >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                                  >> > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                  >> > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                                  >> > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >> >
                                  >> >
                                  >> >> Hi Bob
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                                  >> >> could
                                  >> >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                                  >> see the
                                  >> >> Win7 machine
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                                  >> fine
                                  >> >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                                  >> fourth PC
                                  >> >> and
                                  >> >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                                  >> see the
                                  >> >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                                  >> now and
                                  >> >> see what happens
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                                  >> <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                                  >> >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                  >> >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                                  >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                                  >> >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not
                                  certain
                                  >> >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be
                                  enabled
                                  >> >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                                  >> >> the network.
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                                  >> >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                                  >> >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                                  >> selection.
                                  >> >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                                  >> >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                                  >> >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me
                                  nuts
                                  >> >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                                  >> share the
                                  >> >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                                  >> >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                                  >> >> tasks.
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                                  >> >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                                  >> >>>
                                  >> >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just
                                  fine
                                  >> >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                                  >> >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                                  >> >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                                  >> >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                                  >> >>>
                                  >> >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                                  >> >>> open..don't know
                                  >> >>>
                                  >> >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                                  >> >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                                  >> >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                                  >> >>> 3) All IPs static
                                  >> >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                                  >> >>> after a number of attempts
                                  >> >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                                  >> >>> IPs manually)
                                  >> >>>
                                  >> >>> No idea where to go from here.
                                  >> >>>
                                  >> >>>
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                                  One of the things I ve found with mixed XP and WINDOW SEVEN/EIGHT networked PCs, independent of N1MM, is that when I make changes to almost anything in the
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                                    One of the things I've found with mixed XP and WINDOW SEVEN/EIGHT networked
                                    PCs, independent of N1MM, is that when I make changes to almost anything in
                                    the network, like disk letter changes, or CPU names or IP addresses, sometimes
                                    it works without any problem, but when there's some PC not seen, that if I
                                    then shutdown all systems and then start each WIN SEVEN and then start each
                                    XP one at a time, they all find each other (but you have to be patient,
                                    it took one of my XP machines about 3 minutes before it could see the rest.



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                                    From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
                                    Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:02 PM
                                    To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                                    I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS wireless router. We were using computer names. It was very difficult to get working, and when his laptop decided to reboot for some reason, we lost contact with it -- we were getting the Blue indication in the Info window. Luckily one of our ops was Byron, N6NUL, who is a programmer working for Cisco. When he showed up for his shift, I pointed him at the Win7 box and asked him to beat it into submission. 45 minutes later, it was working, and he found a lot of stuff wrong. 

                                    I had a similar experience on a California QSO Party county expedition with four stations through a wireless router. Laptops that worked at home through my router didn't all see each other through the different router on the expedition. After returning home, I recruited a local ham friend with lots of networking experience to troubleshoot the issues with my three machines. After 3+ hours of work he found lots of issues in the configuration of the three machines (all T4x Thinkpads I had bought as off-lease refurbs) and finally gotten them to dance together properly. 

                                    I've been successfully configuring my own home office networks for 20 years supporting separate consulting businesses for my XYL and myself using machines that ran everything from DOS to OS/2 to NT, Win2K Pro and XP Pro, but the stuff he ran into was way over my head. 

                                    IMO, a large part of the problem is that these operating systems and their networking systems increasingly have a mind of their own, configure themselves to take the user out of it, and are VERY poorly documented.


                                    73, Jim K9YC



                                    ________________________________
                                    From: Ted Bryant <w4nz@...>
                                    To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                    Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                                    Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue?  Can it ping
                                    its own network interface card?

                                    Any firewalls turned on?

                                    I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                    far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.


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                                    Jim One would think it would be a pretty straight forward process....I want to send/receive on this LAN connector and the protocol has been established in
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                                      Jim

                                      One would think it would be a pretty straight forward process....I want to
                                      send/receive on this LAN connector and the protocol has been established in
                                      N1MM, slam dunk one would guess after all the years N1MM has been
                                      around. --- I talk to you, you talk to me ---

                                      Since the setup here was all wired it seemed it should have been easy. Plug
                                      in the computer, load N1MM, set static addresses, configure the N1MM tables
                                      and all would be over...but no. As you indicated there is so much going on
                                      within the PC, one wonders .. a bit too much? Trying to make the software
                                      do everything is really asking a lot. The one thing I guess that it so
                                      successful was the advent of USB....very solid interface software and
                                      hardware....versus the 232 toss of the coins.

                                      So you can see it was a fluke to see the wrong IP number in the N1MM banner
                                      while looking at the N1MM tables for 1000th time...then to say well, what in
                                      the world would cause a static to go wacko. Then I thought, well wireless
                                      has a way of floating things around...so off it went and the banner
                                      immediately went to the static IP and all GREEN indication..in a second.

                                      I guess documentation could be quite lengthy and probably overpower many
                                      users...but a simplified flow diagram during a given setup for peer to peer,
                                      wireless, etc.? That's worth a million dollars. The users at least will have
                                      has some idea what they are doing and maybe learn during the configuration
                                      versus entering, clicking by steps and hoping for the best, maybe even a
                                      small simplified picture depicting what that particular step just
                                      accomplished - what a concept eh?

                                      The user today is usually no smarter at the end since there was nothing
                                      learned...even less is learned if it actually works as the user goes "Yippee
                                      its working", closes out the instruction window (if there was one) and
                                      forgets the process that got the user there :)

                                      How many times does each of us say to ourselves "Now how did I do that last
                                      year?" :)

                                      73
                                      Jay


                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: "Jim Brown" <jwbro@...>
                                      To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:01 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                                      I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and
                                      W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS
                                      wireless router. We were using computer names. It was very difficult to get
                                      working, and when his laptop decided to reboot for some reason, we lost
                                      contact with it -- we were getting the Blue indication in the Info window.
                                      Luckily one of our ops was Byron, N6NUL, who is a programmer working for
                                      Cisco. When he showed up for his shift, I pointed him at the Win7 box and
                                      asked him to beat it into submission. 45 minutes later, it was working, and
                                      he found a lot of stuff wrong.

                                      I had a similar experience on a California QSO Party county expedition with
                                      four stations through a wireless router. Laptops that worked at home through
                                      my router didn't all see each other through the different router on the
                                      expedition. After returning home, I recruited a local ham friend with lots
                                      of networking experience to troubleshoot the issues with my three machines.
                                      After 3+ hours of work he found lots of issues in the configuration of the
                                      three machines (all T4x Thinkpads I had bought as off-lease refurbs) and
                                      finally gotten them to dance together properly.

                                      I've been successfully configuring my own home office networks for 20 years
                                      supporting separate consulting businesses for my XYL and myself using
                                      machines that ran everything from DOS to OS/2 to NT, Win2K Pro and XP Pro,
                                      but the stuff he ran into was way over my head.

                                      IMO, a large part of the problem is that these operating systems and their
                                      networking systems increasingly have a mind of their own, configure
                                      themselves to take the user out of it, and are VERY poorly documented.


                                      73, Jim K9YC



                                      ________________________________
                                      From: Ted Bryant <w4nz@...>
                                      To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                      Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                                      Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                                      its own network interface card?

                                      Any firewalls turned on?

                                      I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                      far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.


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                                    • Jay
                                      Hi Barry I tried your suggestion a few times but as you by now, it was a wrong IP as the result of the wireless being enabled. Now that s a lesson learned. I m
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                                        Hi Barry

                                        I tried your suggestion a few times but as you by now, it was a wrong IP as
                                        the result of the wireless being enabled. Now that's a lesson learned. I'm
                                        sure going wireless for a network using N1MM for example must be real
                                        interesting

                                        I would hope those who maintain the website for documentation would put that
                                        in. As of now I see no notes on enabling/disabling wireless when using a
                                        wired system
                                        (http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Multiple+Computer+Contesting).

                                        I have added it to my documentation for the expedition just in case someone
                                        hits some combo of keys that could enable the wireless function like in
                                        laptop and notebook .. those cute little radio antenna icons :)

                                        The next question could be..how does one get only one PC wireless in a wired
                                        system for Internet access and not have any issues....but for now, it works
                                        and lesson learned.

                                        73
                                        Jay


                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: <w5gn@...>
                                        To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:25 AM
                                        Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                                        One of the things I've found with mixed XP and WINDOW SEVEN/EIGHT networked
                                        PCs, independent of N1MM, is that when I make changes to almost anything in
                                        the network, like disk letter changes, or CPU names or IP addresses,
                                        sometimes
                                        it works without any problem, but when there's some PC not seen, that if I
                                        then shutdown all systems and then start each WIN SEVEN and then start each
                                        XP one at a time, they all find each other (but you have to be patient,
                                        it took one of my XP machines about 3 minutes before it could see the rest.



                                        73

                                        Barry, W5GN


                                        Herbert W. "Barry" Merrill, PhD
                                        President-Programmer
                                        MXG Softtware
                                        Merrill Consultants
                                        10717 Cromwell Drive
                                        Dallas, TX 75229
                                        barry@...

                                        http://www.mxg.com - FAQ has Most Answers
                                        admin@... - invoices/PO/Payment
                                        support@... - technical
                                        tel: 214 351 1966 - expect slow reply, use email
                                        fax: 214 350 3694 - prefer email, still works



                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                                        Behalf Of Jim Brown
                                        Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:02 PM
                                        To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                                        I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and
                                        W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS
                                        wireless router. We were using computer names. It was very difficult to get
                                        working, and when his laptop decided to reboot for some reason, we lost
                                        contact with it -- we were getting the Blue indication in the Info window.
                                        Luckily one of our ops was Byron, N6NUL, who is a programmer working for
                                        Cisco. When he showed up for his shift, I pointed him at the Win7 box and
                                        asked him to beat it into submission. 45 minutes later, it was working, and
                                        he found a lot of stuff wrong.

                                        I had a similar experience on a California QSO Party county expedition with
                                        four stations through a wireless router. Laptops that worked at home through
                                        my router didn't all see each other through the different router on the
                                        expedition. After returning home, I recruited a local ham friend with lots
                                        of networking experience to troubleshoot the issues with my three machines.
                                        After 3+ hours of work he found lots of issues in the configuration of the
                                        three machines (all T4x Thinkpads I had bought as off-lease refurbs) and
                                        finally gotten them to dance together properly.

                                        I've been successfully configuring my own home office networks for 20 years
                                        supporting separate consulting businesses for my XYL and myself using
                                        machines that ran everything from DOS to OS/2 to NT, Win2K Pro and XP Pro,
                                        but the stuff he ran into was way over my head.

                                        IMO, a large part of the problem is that these operating systems and their
                                        networking systems increasingly have a mind of their own, configure
                                        themselves to take the user out of it, and are VERY poorly documented.


                                        73, Jim K9YC



                                        ________________________________
                                        From: Ted Bryant <w4nz@...>
                                        To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                        Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                                        Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                                        its own network interface card?

                                        Any firewalls turned on?

                                        I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                        far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.


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                                      • belanger_dany
                                        Hi Jay I just finished reading all comments. We had the same problem last summer before the IOTA Contest. We worked for over 2 hours trying to fix the problem.
                                        Message 19 of 23 , Apr 29, 2013
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                                          Hi Jay

                                          I just finished reading all comments. We had the same problem last summer before the IOTA Contest. We worked for over 2 hours trying to fix the problem. When our "network expert" had finished installing the 40m verticals, it has 2 minutes and everything was settled. Also disabled the wireless network on 2 laptops and everything started to work properly. It is two laptops were used wireless in the day to make some pre-contest QSOs.

                                          Experience has shown that this is not a good idea to start all laptops at the same time. We begin with the station 0 (Master in our case and Synch for you) used for the master log and the telnet connection (no radio). Subsequently we add 2 laptops Partner (SSB and CW also no radio) one after the other watching the connections. We conclude with the main 2 laptops (Run and Multi).

                                          73

                                          Dany VE2EBK





                                          --- In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, "Jay" <PCB4U@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Hi Barry
                                          >
                                          > I tried your suggestion a few times but as you by now, it was a wrong IP as
                                          > the result of the wireless being enabled. Now that's a lesson learned. I'm
                                          > sure going wireless for a network using N1MM for example must be real
                                          > interesting
                                          >
                                          > I would hope those who maintain the website for documentation would put that
                                          > in. As of now I see no notes on enabling/disabling wireless when using a
                                          > wired system
                                          > (http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Multiple+Computer+Contesting).
                                          >
                                          > I have added it to my documentation for the expedition just in case someone
                                          > hits some combo of keys that could enable the wireless function like in
                                          > laptop and notebook .. those cute little radio antenna icons :)
                                          >
                                          > The next question could be..how does one get only one PC wireless in a wired
                                          > system for Internet access and not have any issues....but for now, it works
                                          > and lesson learned.
                                          >
                                          > 73
                                          > Jay
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: <w5gn@...>
                                          > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:25 AM
                                          > Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > One of the things I've found with mixed XP and WINDOW SEVEN/EIGHT networked
                                          > PCs, independent of N1MM, is that when I make changes to almost anything in
                                          > the network, like disk letter changes, or CPU names or IP addresses,
                                          > sometimes
                                          > it works without any problem, but when there's some PC not seen, that if I
                                          > then shutdown all systems and then start each WIN SEVEN and then start each
                                          > XP one at a time, they all find each other (but you have to be patient,
                                          > it took one of my XP machines about 3 minutes before it could see the rest.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > 73
                                          >
                                          > Barry, W5GN
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Herbert W. "Barry" Merrill, PhD
                                          > President-Programmer
                                          > MXG Softtware
                                          > Merrill Consultants
                                          > 10717 Cromwell Drive
                                          > Dallas, TX 75229
                                          > barry@...
                                          >
                                          > http://www.mxg.com - FAQ has Most Answers
                                          > admin@... - invoices/PO/Payment
                                          > support@... - technical
                                          > tel: 214 351 1966 - expect slow reply, use email
                                          > fax: 214 350 3694 - prefer email, still works
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > -----Original Message-----
                                          > From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                                          > Behalf Of Jim Brown
                                          > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:02 PM
                                          > To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                          >
                                          > I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and
                                          > W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS
                                          > wireless router. We were using computer names. It was very difficult to get
                                          > working, and when his laptop decided to reboot for some reason, we lost
                                          > contact with it -- we were getting the Blue indication in the Info window.
                                          > Luckily one of our ops was Byron, N6NUL, who is a programmer working for
                                          > Cisco. When he showed up for his shift, I pointed him at the Win7 box and
                                          > asked him to beat it into submission. 45 minutes later, it was working, and
                                          > he found a lot of stuff wrong.
                                          >
                                          > I had a similar experience on a California QSO Party county expedition with
                                          > four stations through a wireless router. Laptops that worked at home through
                                          > my router didn't all see each other through the different router on the
                                          > expedition. After returning home, I recruited a local ham friend with lots
                                          > of networking experience to troubleshoot the issues with my three machines.
                                          > After 3+ hours of work he found lots of issues in the configuration of the
                                          > three machines (all T4x Thinkpads I had bought as off-lease refurbs) and
                                          > finally gotten them to dance together properly.
                                          >
                                          > I've been successfully configuring my own home office networks for 20 years
                                          > supporting separate consulting businesses for my XYL and myself using
                                          > machines that ran everything from DOS to OS/2 to NT, Win2K Pro and XP Pro,
                                          > but the stuff he ran into was way over my head.
                                          >
                                          > IMO, a large part of the problem is that these operating systems and their
                                          > networking systems increasingly have a mind of their own, configure
                                          > themselves to take the user out of it, and are VERY poorly documented.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > 73, Jim K9YC
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ________________________________
                                          > From: Ted Bryant <w4nz@...>
                                          > To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                          > Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                                          > its own network interface card?
                                          >
                                          > Any firewalls turned on?
                                          >
                                          > I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                          > far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.
                                          >
                                          >
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                                          >
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