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  • Jay
    Update: For now I reduced the effort to one network....maybe find the problem quicker...no success :( I redefined the 7th PC as just adding a 4th PC (Windows
    Message 1 of 23 , Apr 28 5:14 PM
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      Update:

      For now I reduced the effort to one network....maybe find the problem quicker...no success :(

      I redefined the 7th PC as just adding a 4th PC (Windows 7) to the SSB network resulting in station names SSB1, SSB2, SSB3, SYNC. All are in the same Workgroup. SSB1-3 are Windows XP.

      Now all 4 PCs are on the network....all with the same table.

      1) All the SSB1-3 station icons are GREEN on the original 3 PCs
      2) On the 4th PC named SYNC all the SSB1-3 station icons are GREEN
      3) On all 4 PCs the SYNC icon is BLUE but oddly enough it sees SSB1-SSB3

      Tnx for any help
      Jay

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "jay.kobelin" <PCB4U@...>
      To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 4:38 PM
      Subject: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


      > Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled the file so writing to the log file is going on.
      >
      > I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its open..don't know
      >
      > 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
      > 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
      > 3) All IPs static
      > 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue" after a number of attempts
      > 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter IPs manually)
      >
      > No idea where to go from here.
      >
      >
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    • Jay
      Hi Bob My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I could get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
      Message 2 of 23 , Apr 28 5:30 PM
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        Hi Bob

        My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I could
        get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
        Win7 machine

        I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working fine
        with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a fourth PC and
        expending the network tables by 1. .

        The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not see the
        Windows 7 machine..and the odd part

        Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them now and
        see what happens



        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
        To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
        Cc: "jay.kobelin" <PCB4U@...>
        Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
        Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


        Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
        whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
        in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
        the network.

        From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS > FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
        the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
        where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]" selection.
        This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
        sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)

        As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
        N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
        when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't share the
        folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
        an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
        tasks.

        73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

        ------------------------------------------------------------------------
        On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
        >
        > Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
        > for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
        > plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
        > would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
        > the file so writing to the log file is going on.
        >
        > I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
        > open..don't know
        >
        > 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
        > 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
        > (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
        > 3) All IPs static
        > 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
        > after a number of attempts
        > 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
        > IPs manually)
        >
        > No idea where to go from here.
        >
        >



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      • Jay
        No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3 Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all icons BLUE for
        Message 3 of 23 , Apr 28 5:40 PM
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          No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
          Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all icons
          BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines

          Very puzzling.....

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
          To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
          Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


          > Hi Bob
          >
          > My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
          > could
          > get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
          > Win7 machine
          >
          > I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working fine
          > with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a fourth PC
          > and
          > expending the network tables by 1. .
          >
          > The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not see the
          > Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
          >
          > Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them now and
          > see what happens
          >
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
          > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
          > Cc: "jay.kobelin" <PCB4U@...>
          > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
          > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
          >
          >
          > Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
          > whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
          > in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
          > the network.
          >
          > From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS > FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
          > the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
          > where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]" selection.
          > This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
          > sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
          >
          > As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
          > N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
          > when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't share the
          > folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
          > an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
          > tasks.
          >
          > 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
          >
          > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
          > On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
          >>
          >> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
          >> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
          >> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
          >> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
          >> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
          >>
          >> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
          >> open..don't know
          >>
          >> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
          >> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
          >> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
          >> 3) All IPs static
          >> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
          >> after a number of attempts
          >> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
          >> IPs manually)
          >>
          >> No idea where to go from here.
          >>
          >>
          >
          >
          >
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          >
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        • Steve London
          You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP messages from
          Message 4 of 23 , Apr 28 6:49 PM
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            You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
            that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
            messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
            set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
            it received the UDP message from the other computer.

            You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
            ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.

            73,
            Steve, N2IC

            On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
            > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
            > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all icons
            > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
            >
            > Very puzzling.....
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@...>
            > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
            > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
            >
            >
            >> Hi Bob
            >>
            >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
            >> could
            >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
            >> Win7 machine
            >>
            >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working fine
            >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a fourth PC
            >> and
            >> expending the network tables by 1. .
            >>
            >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not see the
            >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
            >>
            >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them now and
            >> see what happens
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...>
            >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
            >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@...>
            >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
            >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
            >>
            >>
            >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
            >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
            >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
            >> the network.
            >>
            >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
            >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
            >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]" selection.
            >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
            >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
            >>
            >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
            >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
            >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't share the
            >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
            >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
            >> tasks.
            >>
            >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
            >>
            >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
            >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
            >>>
            >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
            >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
            >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
            >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
            >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
            >>>
            >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
            >>> open..don't know
            >>>
            >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
            >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
            >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
            >>> 3) All IPs static
            >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
            >>> after a number of attempts
            >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
            >>> IPs manually)
            >>>
            >>> No idea where to go from here.
            >>>
            >>>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >>
            >>
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          • Jay
            Steve Hard to believe no one out here has not seen this before .. it has to be some click here and there to get it going.... Don t understand why the 4th PC
            Message 5 of 23 , Apr 28 7:10 PM
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              Steve

              Hard to believe no one out here has not seen this before .. it has to be
              some click here and there to get it going....

              Don't understand why the 4th PC under Win7 can see the other three machines
              but nobody can see the 4th machine and all 4 machines see the 3 SSB radios

              My guess is another XP machine would play just fine....

              Oh well

              Jay
              W2IJ

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Steve London" <n2ic@...>
              To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
              Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
              Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:49 PM
              Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


              > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
              > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
              > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
              > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
              > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
              >
              > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
              > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
              >
              > 73,
              > Steve, N2IC
              >
              > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
              >> No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
              >> Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
              >> icons
              >> BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
              >>
              >> Very puzzling.....
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: "Jay"<PCB4U@...>
              >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
              >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
              >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
              >>
              >>
              >>> Hi Bob
              >>>
              >>> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
              >>> could
              >>> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
              >>> Win7 machine
              >>>
              >>> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working fine
              >>> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a fourth PC
              >>> and
              >>> expending the network tables by 1. .
              >>>
              >>> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not see
              >>> the
              >>> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
              >>>
              >>> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them now
              >>> and
              >>> see what happens
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> ----- Original Message -----
              >>> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...>
              >>> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
              >>> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@...>
              >>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
              >>> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
              >>> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
              >>> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
              >>> the network.
              >>>
              >>> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
              >>> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
              >>> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]" selection.
              >>> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
              >>> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
              >>>
              >>> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
              >>> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
              >>> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't share the
              >>> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
              >>> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
              >>> tasks.
              >>>
              >>> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
              >>>
              >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              >>> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
              >>>>
              >>>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
              >>>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
              >>>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
              >>>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
              >>>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
              >>>>
              >>>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
              >>>> open..don't know
              >>>>
              >>>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
              >>>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
              >>>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
              >>>> 3) All IPs static
              >>>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
              >>>> after a number of attempts
              >>>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
              >>>> IPs manually)
              >>>>
              >>>> No idea where to go from here.
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
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            • Robert Chudek - K0RC
              Here are some SWAGs to consider... Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled. Is this a wired or wireless network? If it s hardwired,
              Message 6 of 23 , Apr 28 7:55 PM
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                Here are some SWAGs to consider...

                Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

                Is this a wired or wireless network?

                If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                network?

                It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                you didn't know the configuration of that box!

                I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                between a working machine and the new one.

                There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                machines, as you have indicated.

                Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

                I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

                73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

                ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                >
                > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                >
                > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                >
                > 73,
                > Steve, N2IC
                >
                > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                > icons
                > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                > >
                > > Very puzzling.....
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                > >
                > >
                > >> Hi Bob
                > >>
                > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                > >> could
                > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                > see the
                > >> Win7 machine
                > >>
                > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                > fine
                > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                > fourth PC
                > >> and
                > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                > >>
                > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                > see the
                > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                > >>
                > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                > now and
                > >> see what happens
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> ----- Original Message -----
                > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                > >> the network.
                > >>
                > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                > selection.
                > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                > >>
                > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                > share the
                > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                > >> tasks.
                > >>
                > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                > >>
                > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                > >>>
                > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                > >>>
                > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                > >>> open..don't know
                > >>>
                > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                > >>> 3) All IPs static
                > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                > >>> after a number of attempts
                > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                > >>> IPs manually)
                > >>>
                > >>> No idea where to go from here.
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>
                > >>
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              • Ted Bryant
                Jay, do you have Turn on network discovery selected (Network Sharing Center/Advanced Settings) for the Windows 7 pc ? 73, Ted W4NZ ... From:
                Message 7 of 23 , Apr 28 8:12 PM
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                  Jay, do you have "Turn on network discovery" selected (Network Sharing
                  Center/Advanced Settings) for the Windows 7 pc ?

                  73, Ted W4NZ


                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of Jay
                  Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:10 PM
                  To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                  Steve

                  Hard to believe no one out here has not seen this before .. it has to be
                  some click here and there to get it going....

                  Don't understand why the 4th PC under Win7 can see the other three machines
                  but nobody can see the 4th machine and all 4 machines see the 3 SSB radios

                  My guess is another XP machine would play just fine....

                  Oh well

                  Jay
                  W2IJ

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Steve London" <n2ic@...>
                  To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                  Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                  Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:49 PM
                  Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                  > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                  > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                  > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                  > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                  > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                  >
                  > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                  > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                  >
                  > 73,
                  > Steve, N2IC
                  >
                  > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                  >> No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                  >> Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                  >> icons
                  >> BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                  >>
                  >> Very puzzling.....
                  >>
                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> From: "Jay"<PCB4U@...>
                  >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                  >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                  >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>> Hi Bob
                  >>>
                  >>> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                  >>> could
                  >>> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
                  >>> Win7 machine
                  >>>
                  >>> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working fine
                  >>> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a fourth PC
                  >>> and
                  >>> expending the network tables by 1. .
                  >>>
                  >>> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not see
                  >>> the
                  >>> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                  >>>
                  >>> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them now
                  >>> and
                  >>> see what happens
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>> ----- Original Message -----
                  >>> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...>
                  >>> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                  >>> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@...>
                  >>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                  >>> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                  >>> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                  >>> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                  >>> the network.
                  >>>
                  >>> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                  >>> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                  >>> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]" selection.
                  >>> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                  >>> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                  >>>
                  >>> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                  >>> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                  >>> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't share the
                  >>> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                  >>> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                  >>> tasks.
                  >>>
                  >>> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                  >>>
                  >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                  >>> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                  >>>>
                  >>>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                  >>>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                  >>>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                  >>>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                  >>>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                  >>>>
                  >>>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                  >>>> open..don't know
                  >>>>
                  >>>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                  >>>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                  >>>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                  >>>> 3) All IPs static
                  >>>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                  >>>> after a number of attempts
                  >>>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                  >>>> IPs manually)
                  >>>>
                  >>>> No idea where to go from here.
                  >>>>
                  >>>>
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>>
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                  >>>
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                • Jay
                  Ted Yes Jay ... From: Ted Bryant To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:12 PM Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with
                  Message 8 of 23 , Apr 28 8:42 PM
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                    Ted

                    Yes

                    Jay

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@...>
                    To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:12 PM
                    Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                    Jay, do you have "Turn on network discovery" selected (Network Sharing
                    Center/Advanced Settings) for the Windows 7 pc ?

                    73, Ted W4NZ


                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                    Behalf Of Jay
                    Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:10 PM
                    To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                    Steve

                    Hard to believe no one out here has not seen this before .. it has to be
                    some click here and there to get it going....

                    Don't understand why the 4th PC under Win7 can see the other three machines
                    but nobody can see the 4th machine and all 4 machines see the 3 SSB radios

                    My guess is another XP machine would play just fine....

                    Oh well

                    Jay
                    W2IJ

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Steve London" <n2ic@...>
                    To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                    Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                    Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:49 PM
                    Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                    > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                    > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                    > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                    > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                    > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                    >
                    > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                    > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                    >
                    > 73,
                    > Steve, N2IC
                    >
                    > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                    >> No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                    >> Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                    >> icons
                    >> BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                    >>
                    >> Very puzzling.....
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: "Jay"<PCB4U@...>
                    >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                    >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                    >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>> Hi Bob
                    >>>
                    >>> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                    >>> could
                    >>> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could see the
                    >>> Win7 machine
                    >>>
                    >>> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working fine
                    >>> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a fourth PC
                    >>> and
                    >>> expending the network tables by 1. .
                    >>>
                    >>> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not see
                    >>> the
                    >>> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                    >>>
                    >>> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them now
                    >>> and
                    >>> see what happens
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> ----- Original Message -----
                    >>> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...>
                    >>> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                    >>> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@...>
                    >>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                    >>> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                    >>> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                    >>> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                    >>> the network.
                    >>>
                    >>> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                    >>> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                    >>> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]" selection.
                    >>> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                    >>> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                    >>>
                    >>> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                    >>> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                    >>> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't share the
                    >>> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                    >>> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                    >>> tasks.
                    >>>
                    >>> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                    >>>
                    >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                    >>> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                    >>>>
                    >>>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                    >>>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                    >>>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                    >>>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                    >>>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                    >>>>
                    >>>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                    >>>> open..don't know
                    >>>>
                    >>>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                    >>>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                    >>>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                    >>>> 3) All IPs static
                    >>>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                    >>>> after a number of attempts
                    >>>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                    >>>> IPs manually)
                    >>>>
                    >>>> No idea where to go from here.
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >>>
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                  • Jay
                    Hi Bob I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,, ... From: Robert Chudek - K0RC To: Cc: Jay
                    Message 9 of 23 , Apr 28 8:50 PM
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                      Hi Bob

                      I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                      To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                      Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                      Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                      Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                      Here are some SWAGs to consider...

                      Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

                      All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.

                      Is this a wired or wireless network?


                      Wired


                      If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                      network?

                      Ethernet 5 port switch


                      It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                      This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                      you didn't know the configuration of that box!

                      I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                      between a working machine and the new one.

                      All cables swapped around...

                      There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                      network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                      only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                      into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                      network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                      machines, as you have indicated.

                      Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

                      Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the encryption




                      I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                      be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                      mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

                      73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

                      ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                      On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                      >
                      > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                      > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                      > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                      > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                      > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                      >
                      > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                      > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                      >
                      > 73,
                      > Steve, N2IC
                      >
                      > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                      > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                      > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                      > icons
                      > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                      > >
                      > > Very puzzling.....
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                      > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                      > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                      > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >> Hi Bob
                      > >>
                      > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                      > >> could
                      > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                      > see the
                      > >> Win7 machine
                      > >>
                      > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                      > fine
                      > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                      > fourth PC
                      > >> and
                      > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                      > >>
                      > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                      > see the
                      > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                      > >>
                      > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                      > now and
                      > >> see what happens
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                      > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                      > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                      > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                      > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                      > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                      > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                      > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                      > >> the network.
                      > >>
                      > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                      > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                      > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                      > selection.
                      > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                      > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                      > >>
                      > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                      > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                      > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                      > share the
                      > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                      > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                      > >> tasks.
                      > >>
                      > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                      > >>
                      > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                      > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                      > >>>
                      > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                      > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                      > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                      > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                      > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                      > >>>
                      > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                      > >>> open..don't know
                      > >>>
                      > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                      > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                      > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                      > >>> 3) All IPs static
                      > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                      > >>> after a number of attempts
                      > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                      > >>> IPs manually)
                      > >>>
                      > >>> No idea where to go from here.
                      > >>>
                      > >>>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
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                      > >>
                      > >>
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                    • Norman Schklar
                      A couple weeks ago I used N1MM for the Georgia QSO party. I had a problem like you are reporting. One the computer just wouldn t connect, I finally ran
                      Message 10 of 23 , Apr 29 12:35 AM
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                        A couple weeks ago I used N1MM for the Georgia QSO party. I had a problem
                        like you are reporting.
                        One the computer just wouldn't connect, I finally ran IPCONFIG /remove then
                        IPCONFIG /renew.

                        You would guess that a restart would have worked, but it didn't.

                        I don't have any idea if this will help in your situation, but it might be
                        worth a try.

                        You shouldn't need to copy the database, it'll just update on each PC on
                        the network. You can do an export from either one of them.

                        I was using computer names instead of ip addresses.

                        Norm WA4ZXV


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                      • Jay
                        All Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP machines
                        Message 11 of 23 , Apr 29 4:12 AM
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                          All

                          Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There
                          was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                          machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving data
                          between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the database.
                          As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                          think is the expression)

                          Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs with
                          an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                          but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.

                          All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                          defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                          log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.

                          The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                          machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                          also BLUE.

                          So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                          4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?

                          Color Status
                          1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                          2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.

                          Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get to
                          the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                          SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on for
                          the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?

                          Jay
                          W2IJ



                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                          To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                          Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                          Hi Bob

                          I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,


                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                          To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                          Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                          Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                          Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                          Here are some SWAGs to consider...

                          Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

                          All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.

                          Is this a wired or wireless network?


                          Wired


                          If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                          network?

                          Ethernet 5 port switch


                          It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                          This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                          you didn't know the configuration of that box!

                          I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                          between a working machine and the new one.

                          All cables swapped around...

                          There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                          network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                          only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                          into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                          network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                          machines, as you have indicated.

                          Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

                          Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                          encryption




                          I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                          be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                          mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

                          73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

                          ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                          On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                          >
                          > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                          > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                          > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                          > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                          > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                          >
                          > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                          > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                          >
                          > 73,
                          > Steve, N2IC
                          >
                          > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                          > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                          > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                          > icons
                          > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                          > >
                          > > Very puzzling.....
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                          > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                          > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >> Hi Bob
                          > >>
                          > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                          > >> could
                          > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                          > see the
                          > >> Win7 machine
                          > >>
                          > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                          > fine
                          > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                          > fourth PC
                          > >> and
                          > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                          > >>
                          > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                          > see the
                          > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                          > >>
                          > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                          > now and
                          > >> see what happens
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> ----- Original Message -----
                          > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                          > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                          > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                          > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                          > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                          > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                          > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                          > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                          > >> the network.
                          > >>
                          > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                          > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                          > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                          > selection.
                          > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                          > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                          > >>
                          > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                          > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                          > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                          > share the
                          > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                          > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                          > >> tasks.
                          > >>
                          > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                          > >>
                          > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                          > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                          > >>>
                          > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                          > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                          > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                          > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                          > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                          > >>>
                          > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                          > >>> open..don't know
                          > >>>
                          > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                          > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                          > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                          > >>> 3) All IPs static
                          > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                          > >>> after a number of attempts
                          > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                          > >>> IPs manually)
                          > >>>
                          > >>> No idea where to go from here.
                          > >>>
                          > >>>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
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                        • Ted Bryant
                          Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping its own network interface card? Any firewalls turned on? I have an XP/SP3 machine
                          Message 12 of 23 , Apr 29 4:56 AM
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                            Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                            its own network interface card?

                            Any firewalls turned on?

                            I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                            far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.

                            73, Ted W4NZ



                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                            Behalf Of Jay
                            Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:12 AM
                            To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                            All

                            Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There
                            was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                            machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving data
                            between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the database.
                            As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                            think is the expression)

                            Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs with
                            an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                            but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.

                            All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                            defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                            log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.

                            The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                            machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                            also BLUE.

                            So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                            4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?

                            Color Status
                            1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                            2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.

                            Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get to
                            the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                            SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on for
                            the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?

                            Jay
                            W2IJ



                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                            To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                            Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                            Hi Bob

                            I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,


                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                            To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                            Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                            Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                            Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                            Here are some SWAGs to consider...

                            Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

                            All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.

                            Is this a wired or wireless network?


                            Wired


                            If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                            network?

                            Ethernet 5 port switch


                            It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                            This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                            you didn't know the configuration of that box!

                            I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                            between a working machine and the new one.

                            All cables swapped around...

                            There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                            network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                            only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                            into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                            network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                            machines, as you have indicated.

                            Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

                            Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                            encryption




                            I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                            be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                            mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

                            73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

                            ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                            >
                            > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                            > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                            > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                            > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                            > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                            >
                            > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                            > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                            >
                            > 73,
                            > Steve, N2IC
                            >
                            > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                            > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                            > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                            > icons
                            > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                            > >
                            > > Very puzzling.....
                            > >
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                            > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                            > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                            > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >> Hi Bob
                            > >>
                            > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                            > >> could
                            > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                            > see the
                            > >> Win7 machine
                            > >>
                            > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                            > fine
                            > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                            > fourth PC
                            > >> and
                            > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                            > >>
                            > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                            > see the
                            > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                            > >>
                            > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                            > now and
                            > >> see what happens
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >> ----- Original Message -----
                            > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                            > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                            > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                            > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                            > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                            > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                            > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                            > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                            > >> the network.
                            > >>
                            > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                            > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                            > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                            > selection.
                            > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                            > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                            > >>
                            > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                            > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                            > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                            > share the
                            > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                            > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                            > >> tasks.
                            > >>
                            > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                            > >>
                            > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                            > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                            > >>>
                            > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                            > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                            > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                            > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                            > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                            > >>>
                            > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                            > >>> open..don't know
                            > >>>
                            > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                            > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                            > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                            > >>> 3) All IPs static
                            > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                            > >>> after a number of attempts
                            > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                            > >>> IPs manually)
                            > >>>
                            > >>> No idea where to go from here.
                            > >>>
                            > >>>
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > >>
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                            Now that is a good question.....I will start up the system and get back to you ... From: Ted Bryant To: Sent:
                            Message 13 of 23 , Apr 29 5:07 AM
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                              Now that is a good question.....I will start up the system and get back to
                              you



                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@...>
                              To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                              Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                              Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                              its own network interface card?

                              Any firewalls turned on?

                              I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                              far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.

                              73, Ted W4NZ



                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                              Behalf Of Jay
                              Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:12 AM
                              To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                              All

                              Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There
                              was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                              machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving data
                              between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the database.
                              As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                              think is the expression)

                              Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs with
                              an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                              but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.

                              All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                              defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                              log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.

                              The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                              machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                              also BLUE.

                              So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                              4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?

                              Color Status
                              1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                              2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.

                              Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get to
                              the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                              SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on for
                              the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?

                              Jay
                              W2IJ



                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                              To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                              Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                              Hi Bob

                              I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,


                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                              To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                              Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                              Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                              Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                              Here are some SWAGs to consider...

                              Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

                              All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.

                              Is this a wired or wireless network?


                              Wired


                              If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                              network?

                              Ethernet 5 port switch


                              It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                              This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                              you didn't know the configuration of that box!

                              I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                              between a working machine and the new one.

                              All cables swapped around...

                              There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                              network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                              only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                              into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                              network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                              machines, as you have indicated.

                              Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

                              Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                              encryption




                              I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                              be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                              mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

                              73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

                              ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                              >
                              > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                              > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                              > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                              > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                              > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                              >
                              > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                              > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                              >
                              > 73,
                              > Steve, N2IC
                              >
                              > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                              > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                              > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                              > icons
                              > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                              > >
                              > > Very puzzling.....
                              > >
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                              > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                              > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                              > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >> Hi Bob
                              > >>
                              > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                              > >> could
                              > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                              > see the
                              > >> Win7 machine
                              > >>
                              > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                              > fine
                              > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                              > fourth PC
                              > >> and
                              > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                              > >>
                              > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                              > see the
                              > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                              > >>
                              > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                              > now and
                              > >> see what happens
                              > >>
                              > >>
                              > >>
                              > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                              > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                              > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                              > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                              > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                              > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                              > >>
                              > >>
                              > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                              > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                              > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                              > >> the network.
                              > >>
                              > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                              > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                              > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                              > selection.
                              > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                              > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                              > >>
                              > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                              > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                              > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                              > share the
                              > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                              > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                              > >> tasks.
                              > >>
                              > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                              > >>
                              > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                              > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                              > >>>
                              > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                              > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                              > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                              > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                              > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                              > >>>
                              > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                              > >>> open..don't know
                              > >>>
                              > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                              > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                              > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                              > >>> 3) All IPs static
                              > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                              > >>> after a number of attempts
                              > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                              > >>> IPs manually)
                              > >>>
                              > >>> No idea where to go from here.
                              > >>>
                              > >>>
                              > >>
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                            • Jay
                              HI Ted Well..isn t what I just found interesting. N1MM identifies the IP for SYNC as 192.168.0.69 Win7 machine static IP is 192.168.0.7 using TCP/IP version 4
                              Message 14 of 23 , Apr 29 5:24 AM
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                                HI Ted

                                Well..isn't what I just found interesting.

                                N1MM identifies the IP for SYNC as 192.168.0.69
                                Win7 machine static IP is 192.168.0.7 using TCP/IP version 4 (that's the IP
                                in all tables for SYNC)
                                Win7 machine Subnet Mask is the usual 255.255.255.0
                                DHCP not enabled
                                NetBios over TCP/IP/IP Yes

                                Hmmmmmm......now we know why...how to get the 192.168.0.69 to 192.168.0.7
                                even though I have it is a static IP of 192.168.0.7 in Win7 machine and the
                                Network Connection Detail window shows it as 192.168.0.7

                                Jay
                                W2IJ







                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@...>
                                To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                                Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                                its own network interface card?

                                Any firewalls turned on?

                                I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.

                                73, Ted W4NZ



                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                                Behalf Of Jay
                                Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:12 AM
                                To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                                All

                                Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There
                                was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                                machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving data
                                between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the database.
                                As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                                think is the expression)

                                Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs with
                                an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                                but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.

                                All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                                defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                                log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.

                                The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                                machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                                also BLUE.

                                So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                                4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?

                                Color Status
                                1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                                2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.

                                Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get to
                                the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                                SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on for
                                the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?

                                Jay
                                W2IJ



                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                                To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                                Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                                Hi Bob

                                I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,


                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                                To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                                Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                                Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                                Here are some SWAGs to consider...

                                Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.

                                All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.

                                Is this a wired or wireless network?


                                Wired


                                If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                                network?

                                Ethernet 5 port switch


                                It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                                This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                                you didn't know the configuration of that box!

                                I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                                between a working machine and the new one.

                                All cables swapped around...

                                There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                                network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                                only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                                into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                                network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                                machines, as you have indicated.

                                Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l

                                Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                                encryption




                                I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                                be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                                mixing different flavors of OS on a network.

                                73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

                                ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                                >
                                > You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                                > that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                                > messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                                > set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                                > it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                                >
                                > You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                                > ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                                >
                                > 73,
                                > Steve, N2IC
                                >
                                > On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                                > > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                                > > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                                > icons
                                > > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                                > >
                                > > Very puzzling.....
                                > >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                                > > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                                > > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >> Hi Bob
                                > >>
                                > >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                                > >> could
                                > >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                                > see the
                                > >> Win7 machine
                                > >>
                                > >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                                > fine
                                > >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                                > fourth PC
                                > >> and
                                > >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                                > >>
                                > >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                                > see the
                                > >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                                > >>
                                > >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                                > now and
                                > >> see what happens
                                > >>
                                > >>
                                > >>
                                > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                > >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                                > <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                                > >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                > >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                                > >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                                > >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                > >>
                                > >>
                                > >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                                > >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                                > >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                                > >> the network.
                                > >>
                                > >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                                > >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                                > >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                                > selection.
                                > >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                                > >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                                > >>
                                > >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                                > >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                                > >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                                > share the
                                > >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                                > >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                                > >> tasks.
                                > >>
                                > >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                                > >>
                                > >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                                > >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                                > >>>
                                > >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                                > >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                                > >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                                > >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                                > >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                                > >>>
                                > >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                                > >>> open..don't know
                                > >>>
                                > >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                                > >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                                > >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                                > >>> 3) All IPs static
                                > >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                                > >>> after a number of attempts
                                > >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                                > >>> IPs manually)
                                > >>>
                                > >>> No idea where to go from here.
                                > >>>
                                > >>>
                                > >>
                                > >>
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                              • Jay
                                RESOLVED I found the wireless connection enabled....disabled it and VOILA ! All GREEN...and a GAB message went out from the SYNC machine and all machines got
                                Message 15 of 23 , Apr 29 5:40 AM
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                                  RESOLVED

                                  I found the wireless connection enabled....disabled it and VOILA !

                                  All GREEN...and a GAB message went out from the SYNC machine and all machines got it...finally....whew.....

                                  Jay
                                  W2IJ


                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                                  To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:24 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                                  > HI Ted
                                  >
                                  > Well..isn't what I just found interesting.
                                  >
                                  > N1MM identifies the IP for SYNC as 192.168.0.69
                                  > Win7 machine static IP is 192.168.0.7 using TCP/IP version 4 (that's the IP
                                  > in all tables for SYNC)
                                  > Win7 machine Subnet Mask is the usual 255.255.255.0
                                  > DHCP not enabled
                                  > NetBios over TCP/IP/IP Yes
                                  >
                                  > Hmmmmmm......now we know why...how to get the 192.168.0.69 to 192.168.0.7
                                  > even though I have it is a static IP of 192.168.0.7 in Win7 machine and the
                                  > Network Connection Detail window shows it as 192.168.0.7
                                  >
                                  > Jay
                                  > W2IJ
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@...>
                                  > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                  > Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                                  > its own network interface card?
                                  >
                                  > Any firewalls turned on?
                                  >
                                  > I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                  > far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.
                                  >
                                  > 73, Ted W4NZ
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > -----Original Message-----
                                  > From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                                  > Behalf Of Jay
                                  > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:12 AM
                                  > To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >
                                  > All
                                  >
                                  > Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now. There
                                  > was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                                  > machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving data
                                  > between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the database.
                                  > As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                                  > think is the expression)
                                  >
                                  > Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs with
                                  > an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                                  > but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.
                                  >
                                  > All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                                  > defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                                  > log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.
                                  >
                                  > The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                                  > machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                                  > also BLUE.
                                  >
                                  > So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                                  > 4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?
                                  >
                                  > Color Status
                                  > 1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                                  > 2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.
                                  >
                                  > Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get to
                                  > the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                                  > SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on for
                                  > the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?
                                  >
                                  > Jay
                                  > W2IJ
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                                  > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Hi Bob
                                  >
                                  > I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                                  > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                                  > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Here are some SWAGs to consider...
                                  >
                                  > Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.
                                  >
                                  > All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.
                                  >
                                  > Is this a wired or wireless network?
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Wired
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                                  > network?
                                  >
                                  > Ethernet 5 port switch
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                                  > This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                                  > you didn't know the configuration of that box!
                                  >
                                  > I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                                  > between a working machine and the new one.
                                  >
                                  > All cables swapped around...
                                  >
                                  > There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                                  > network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                                  > only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                                  > into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                                  > network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                                  > machines, as you have indicated.
                                  >
                                  > Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l
                                  >
                                  > Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                                  > encryption
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                                  > be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                                  > mixing different flavors of OS on a network.
                                  >
                                  > 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                                  >
                                  > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  > On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                                  >>
                                  >> You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                                  >> that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                                  >> messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                                  >> set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                                  >> it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                                  >>
                                  >> You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                                  >> ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                                  >>
                                  >> 73,
                                  >> Steve, N2IC
                                  >>
                                  >> On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                                  >> > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                                  >> > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                                  >> icons
                                  >> > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Very puzzling.....
                                  >> >
                                  >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                                  >> > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                  >> > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                                  >> > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >> >
                                  >> >
                                  >> >> Hi Bob
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                                  >> >> could
                                  >> >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                                  >> see the
                                  >> >> Win7 machine
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                                  >> fine
                                  >> >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                                  >> fourth PC
                                  >> >> and
                                  >> >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                                  >> see the
                                  >> >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                                  >> now and
                                  >> >> see what happens
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                                  >> <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                                  >> >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                  >> >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                                  >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                                  >> >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not certain
                                  >> >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be enabled
                                  >> >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                                  >> >> the network.
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                                  >> >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                                  >> >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                                  >> selection.
                                  >> >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                                  >> >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                                  >> >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me nuts
                                  >> >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                                  >> share the
                                  >> >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                                  >> >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                                  >> >> tasks.
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                                  >> >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                                  >> >>>
                                  >> >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just fine
                                  >> >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                                  >> >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                                  >> >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                                  >> >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                                  >> >>>
                                  >> >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                                  >> >>> open..don't know
                                  >> >>>
                                  >> >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                                  >> >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                                  >> >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                                  >> >>> 3) All IPs static
                                  >> >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                                  >> >>> after a number of attempts
                                  >> >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                                  >> >>> IPs manually)
                                  >> >>>
                                  >> >>> No idea where to go from here.
                                  >> >>>
                                  >> >>>
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                                • Jim Brown
                                  I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS wireless
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                                    I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS wireless router. We were using computer names. It was very difficult to get working, and when his laptop decided to reboot for some reason, we lost contact with it -- we were getting the Blue indication in the Info window. Luckily one of our ops was Byron, N6NUL, who is a programmer working for Cisco. When he showed up for his shift, I pointed him at the Win7 box and asked him to beat it into submission. 45 minutes later, it was working, and he found a lot of stuff wrong. 

                                    I had a similar experience on a California QSO Party county expedition with four stations through a wireless router. Laptops that worked at home through my router didn't all see each other through the different router on the expedition. After returning home, I recruited a local ham friend with lots of networking experience to troubleshoot the issues with my three machines. After 3+ hours of work he found lots of issues in the configuration of the three machines (all T4x Thinkpads I had bought as off-lease refurbs) and finally gotten them to dance together properly. 

                                    I've been successfully configuring my own home office networks for 20 years supporting separate consulting businesses for my XYL and myself using machines that ran everything from DOS to OS/2 to NT, Win2K Pro and XP Pro, but the stuff he ran into was way over my head. 

                                    IMO, a large part of the problem is that these operating systems and their networking systems increasingly have a mind of their own, configure themselves to take the user out of it, and are VERY poorly documented.


                                    73, Jim K9YC



                                    ________________________________
                                    From: Ted Bryant <w4nz@...>
                                    To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                    Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                                    Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue?  Can it ping
                                    its own network interface card?

                                    Any firewalls turned on?

                                    I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                    far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.


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                                  • Ted Bryant
                                    FB! Congratulations, Jay. Maybe this would make a good note for the documentation on networking - make sure that there is only ONE networking connection
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                                      FB! Congratulations, Jay. Maybe this would make a good note for the
                                      documentation on networking - make sure that there is only ONE networking
                                      connection possible per computer.

                                      73, Ted W4NZ


                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                                      Behalf Of Jay
                                      Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 8:41 AM
                                      To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                                      RESOLVED

                                      I found the wireless connection enabled....disabled it and VOILA !

                                      All GREEN...and a GAB message went out from the SYNC machine and all
                                      machines got it...finally....whew.....

                                      Jay
                                      W2IJ


                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                                      To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:24 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                                      > HI Ted
                                      >
                                      > Well..isn't what I just found interesting.
                                      >
                                      > N1MM identifies the IP for SYNC as 192.168.0.69
                                      > Win7 machine static IP is 192.168.0.7 using TCP/IP version 4 (that's the
                                      IP
                                      > in all tables for SYNC)
                                      > Win7 machine Subnet Mask is the usual 255.255.255.0
                                      > DHCP not enabled
                                      > NetBios over TCP/IP/IP Yes
                                      >
                                      > Hmmmmmm......now we know why...how to get the 192.168.0.69 to 192.168.0.7
                                      > even though I have it is a static IP of 192.168.0.7 in Win7 machine and
                                      the
                                      > Network Connection Detail window shows it as 192.168.0.7
                                      >
                                      > Jay
                                      > W2IJ
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@...>
                                      > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                      > Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                                      > its own network interface card?
                                      >
                                      > Any firewalls turned on?
                                      >
                                      > I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                      > far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.
                                      >
                                      > 73, Ted W4NZ
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                                      > Behalf Of Jay
                                      > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:12 AM
                                      > To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                      >
                                      > All
                                      >
                                      > Lets try a different approach...forget my initial intentions for now.
                                      There
                                      > was no tweaking of sharing properties that I can recall when the 3 XP
                                      > machines were setup since N1MM should have been doing the job of moving
                                      data
                                      > between each N1MM "station" which in turn should have updated the
                                      database.
                                      > As I see it, N1MM is talking to each N1MM on the network (peer to peer I
                                      > think is the expression)
                                      >
                                      > Lets say I have 3 SSB stations (SSB1, SSB2, SSB3) using XP on all 3 PCs
                                      with
                                      > an Ethernet 5 port switch. I want to add a fourth station and name it SYNC
                                      > but its a Win7 machine since I do not have any other XP machines around.
                                      >
                                      > All 4 machines have identical network tables. All machines are static IP
                                      > defined. We just want the 4th machine to get on the network, operate, and
                                      > log Q's and move data between each other just like the other 3 do.
                                      >
                                      > The 4th machine sees the 3 others (SSB1-SSB3 are GREEN) but the 3 SSB
                                      > machines do not see the 4th machine SYNC (BLUE). The 4th machine SYNC is
                                      > also BLUE.
                                      >
                                      > So how does the 4th machine see the other 3 but the other 3 don't see the
                                      > 4th when SYNC is BLUE on all 4 machines?
                                      >
                                      > Color Status
                                      > 1) All 4 machines show SSB1 thru SSB3 as GREEN
                                      > 2) All 4 machines show SYNC as BLUE.
                                      >
                                      > Sorry for the rehash but its just not making any sense that data can get
                                      to
                                      > the 4th PC but the 3 PCs sending data can't see the 4th machine...but the
                                      > SYNC on all machines are BLUE. There must be some hand-shaking going on
                                      for
                                      > the 4th to accept the data from the other 3...no?
                                      >
                                      > Jay
                                      > W2IJ
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                                      > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM
                                      > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Hi Bob
                                      >
                                      > I fill in below the best I can for the situation,,,
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@...>
                                      > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > Cc: "Jay" <PCB4U@...>
                                      > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:55 PM
                                      > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Here are some SWAGs to consider...
                                      >
                                      > Make sure all network adapters have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.
                                      >
                                      > All are setup for Static IP and enabled..even Win7 unit.
                                      >
                                      > Is this a wired or wireless network?
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Wired
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > If it's hardwired, are you using a "hub" or a "switch" to create the
                                      > network?
                                      >
                                      > Ethernet 5 port switch
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > It is possible to program a switch to isolate various ports from others.
                                      > This would be the problem if I loaned you my 16-port Cisco switch and
                                      > you didn't know the configuration of that box!
                                      >
                                      > I assume you have swapped out the network cable, or switched the cables
                                      > between a working machine and the new one.
                                      >
                                      > All cables swapped around...
                                      >
                                      > There is reference to incompatibility between using Win 7 in "Home
                                      > network" in an XP peer to peer environment. It says the "Home network"
                                      > only works in a pure Win 7 peer to peer network. The resolution is to go
                                      > into "View your active networks" and change the setting to "Work
                                      > network". Then making certain the workgroup name is identical on all
                                      > machines, as you have indicated.
                                      >
                                      > Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ydmsc9l
                                      >
                                      > Same issue...though the 3 SSB sttiosn came up quicker when I lowered the
                                      > encryption
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > I don't know if any of this will resolve the problem. There appears to
                                      > be a lot of discussion regarding problems people have encountered when
                                      > mixing different flavors of OS on a network.
                                      >
                                      > 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                                      >
                                      > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                      > On 4/28/2013 8:49 PM, Steve London wrote:
                                      >>
                                      >> You have some kind of networking or firewall issue. The BLUE state means
                                      >> that the machine with the BLUE state is not receiving the periodic UDP
                                      >> messages from the far-end computer. It won't start actively trying to
                                      >> set up a TCP connection (as indicated by the RED or GREEN state) until
                                      >> it received the UDP message from the other computer.
                                      >>
                                      >> You need a guru there to use wireshark (www.wireshark.org) or some other
                                      >> ethernet protocol analyzer to see that is actually happening.
                                      >>
                                      >> 73,
                                      >> Steve, N2IC
                                      >>
                                      >> On 04/28/2013 06:40 PM, Jay wrote:
                                      >> > No luck .. rebooted all 4 machines and all 4 machines see the SSB1-SSB3
                                      >> > Green icons go condition and none see the 4th PC (named SYNC) ...all
                                      >> icons
                                      >> > BLUE for SYNC on all 4 machines
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Very puzzling.....
                                      >> >
                                      >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> > From: "Jay"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                                      >> > To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                      >> > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:30 PM
                                      >> > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                      >> >
                                      >> >
                                      >> >> Hi Bob
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> My follow-up showed that I dropped the 2nd network for now to see if I
                                      >> >> could
                                      >> >> get the Win7 machine to talk to the 3 XP machines and they could
                                      >> see the
                                      >> >> Win7 machine
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> I basically added a 4th PC to the system which is presently working
                                      >> fine
                                      >> >> with 3 XP machines and one would expect no issue just adding a
                                      >> fourth PC
                                      >> >> and
                                      >> >> expending the network tables by 1. .
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> The Windows 7 machine now sees the other 3 but the other 3 do not
                                      >> see the
                                      >> >> Windows 7 machine..and the odd part
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> Another suggestion just came in....I'll try e-starting all of them
                                      >> now and
                                      >> >> see what happens
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> >> From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC"<k0rc@...
                                      >> <mailto:k0rc%40citlink.net>>
                                      >> >> To:<N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                      >> >> Cc: "jay.kobelin"<PCB4U@... <mailto:PCB4U%40VERIZON.NET>>
                                      >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:11 PM
                                      >> >> Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> Is the "File and Print Sharing" enabled on the 7th PC? I am not
                                      certain
                                      >> >> whether this is a requisite for N1MM Logger, but it needs to be
                                      enabled
                                      >> >> in order to allow sharing of a workstation resources with other PCs on
                                      >> >> the network.
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> From a Windows Explorer window select TOOLS> FOLDER OPTIONS. Select
                                      >> >> the VIEW tab and scroll the "Advanced settings" window to the bottom
                                      >> >> where you will find a "Use simple file sharing [Recommended]"
                                      >> selection.
                                      >> >> This needs to be checked on network XP machines to allow disk/file
                                      >> >> sharing. (I don't know about Win7.)
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> As I mentioned, one of the programmers will need to tell use whether
                                      >> >> N1MM Logger is dependent upon this setting or not. But it drove me
                                      nuts
                                      >> >> when I tried adding a 5th PC to my home network and I couldn't
                                      >> share the
                                      >> >> folders on that new addition until I enabled this option. There wasn't
                                      >> >> an N1MM installation on that PC, just a basic machine to use for other
                                      >> >> tasks.
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                                      >> >> On 4/28/2013 6:38 PM, jay.kobelin wrote:
                                      >> >>>
                                      >> >>> Getting ready for an epxpedition and have 2 networks running just
                                      fine
                                      >> >>> for the 2 sites. I want to add a 7th PC (PC name SYNC) to be able to
                                      >> >>> plug into the Ethernet hub for that site and grab the log file. I
                                      >> >>> would guess the OPs on that network would need to QRT until I pulled
                                      >> >>> the file so writing to the log file is going on.
                                      >> >>>
                                      >> >>> I am also assuming I can copy the databse but maybe not as its
                                      >> >>> open..don't know
                                      >> >>>
                                      >> >>> 1) The Workgroup name is the same for all 7 PCs
                                      >> >>> 2) The Metwork Computer Names tables are idientical for all 7 PCs
                                      >> >>> (SSB1-SSB3, CW1-CW3, SYNC)
                                      >> >>> 3) All IPs static
                                      >> >>> 4) The 7th PC does not see any of the PCs....eventually going "blue"
                                      >> >>> after a number of attempts
                                      >> >>> 5) TCP/IP in Windows 7 set up in V4 in their callout (one can enter
                                      >> >>> IPs manually)
                                      >> >>>
                                      >> >>> No idea where to go from here.
                                      >> >>>
                                      >> >>>
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >>
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                                    • <w5gn@...>
                                      One of the things I ve found with mixed XP and WINDOW SEVEN/EIGHT networked PCs, independent of N1MM, is that when I make changes to almost anything in the
                                      Message 18 of 23 , Apr 29 10:25 AM
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                                        One of the things I've found with mixed XP and WINDOW SEVEN/EIGHT networked
                                        PCs, independent of N1MM, is that when I make changes to almost anything in
                                        the network, like disk letter changes, or CPU names or IP addresses, sometimes
                                        it works without any problem, but when there's some PC not seen, that if I
                                        then shutdown all systems and then start each WIN SEVEN and then start each
                                        XP one at a time, they all find each other (but you have to be patient,
                                        it took one of my XP machines about 3 minutes before it could see the rest.



                                        73

                                        Barry, W5GN


                                        Herbert W. “Barry” Merrill, PhD
                                        President-Programmer
                                        MXG Softtware
                                        Merrill Consultants
                                        10717 Cromwell Drive
                                        Dallas, TX 75229
                                        barry@...

                                        http://www.mxg.com - FAQ has Most Answers
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                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
                                        Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:02 PM
                                        To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                                        I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS wireless router. We were using computer names. It was very difficult to get working, and when his laptop decided to reboot for some reason, we lost contact with it -- we were getting the Blue indication in the Info window. Luckily one of our ops was Byron, N6NUL, who is a programmer working for Cisco. When he showed up for his shift, I pointed him at the Win7 box and asked him to beat it into submission. 45 minutes later, it was working, and he found a lot of stuff wrong. 

                                        I had a similar experience on a California QSO Party county expedition with four stations through a wireless router. Laptops that worked at home through my router didn't all see each other through the different router on the expedition. After returning home, I recruited a local ham friend with lots of networking experience to troubleshoot the issues with my three machines. After 3+ hours of work he found lots of issues in the configuration of the three machines (all T4x Thinkpads I had bought as off-lease refurbs) and finally gotten them to dance together properly. 

                                        I've been successfully configuring my own home office networks for 20 years supporting separate consulting businesses for my XYL and myself using machines that ran everything from DOS to OS/2 to NT, Win2K Pro and XP Pro, but the stuff he ran into was way over my head. 

                                        IMO, a large part of the problem is that these operating systems and their networking systems increasingly have a mind of their own, configure themselves to take the user out of it, and are VERY poorly documented.


                                        73, Jim K9YC



                                        ________________________________
                                        From: Ted Bryant <w4nz@...>
                                        To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                        Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                                        Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue?  Can it ping
                                        its own network interface card?

                                        Any firewalls turned on?

                                        I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                        far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.


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                                      • Jay
                                        Jim One would think it would be a pretty straight forward process....I want to send/receive on this LAN connector and the protocol has been established in
                                        Message 19 of 23 , Apr 29 10:40 AM
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                                          Jim

                                          One would think it would be a pretty straight forward process....I want to
                                          send/receive on this LAN connector and the protocol has been established in
                                          N1MM, slam dunk one would guess after all the years N1MM has been
                                          around. --- I talk to you, you talk to me ---

                                          Since the setup here was all wired it seemed it should have been easy. Plug
                                          in the computer, load N1MM, set static addresses, configure the N1MM tables
                                          and all would be over...but no. As you indicated there is so much going on
                                          within the PC, one wonders .. a bit too much? Trying to make the software
                                          do everything is really asking a lot. The one thing I guess that it so
                                          successful was the advent of USB....very solid interface software and
                                          hardware....versus the 232 toss of the coins.

                                          So you can see it was a fluke to see the wrong IP number in the N1MM banner
                                          while looking at the N1MM tables for 1000th time...then to say well, what in
                                          the world would cause a static to go wacko. Then I thought, well wireless
                                          has a way of floating things around...so off it went and the banner
                                          immediately went to the static IP and all GREEN indication..in a second.

                                          I guess documentation could be quite lengthy and probably overpower many
                                          users...but a simplified flow diagram during a given setup for peer to peer,
                                          wireless, etc.? That's worth a million dollars. The users at least will have
                                          has some idea what they are doing and maybe learn during the configuration
                                          versus entering, clicking by steps and hoping for the best, maybe even a
                                          small simplified picture depicting what that particular step just
                                          accomplished - what a concept eh?

                                          The user today is usually no smarter at the end since there was nothing
                                          learned...even less is learned if it actually works as the user goes "Yippee
                                          its working", closes out the instruction window (if there was one) and
                                          forgets the process that got the user there :)

                                          How many times does each of us say to ourselves "Now how did I do that last
                                          year?" :)

                                          73
                                          Jay


                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: "Jim Brown" <jwbro@...>
                                          To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:01 AM
                                          Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                                          I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and
                                          W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS
                                          wireless router. We were using computer names. It was very difficult to get
                                          working, and when his laptop decided to reboot for some reason, we lost
                                          contact with it -- we were getting the Blue indication in the Info window.
                                          Luckily one of our ops was Byron, N6NUL, who is a programmer working for
                                          Cisco. When he showed up for his shift, I pointed him at the Win7 box and
                                          asked him to beat it into submission. 45 minutes later, it was working, and
                                          he found a lot of stuff wrong.

                                          I had a similar experience on a California QSO Party county expedition with
                                          four stations through a wireless router. Laptops that worked at home through
                                          my router didn't all see each other through the different router on the
                                          expedition. After returning home, I recruited a local ham friend with lots
                                          of networking experience to troubleshoot the issues with my three machines.
                                          After 3+ hours of work he found lots of issues in the configuration of the
                                          three machines (all T4x Thinkpads I had bought as off-lease refurbs) and
                                          finally gotten them to dance together properly.

                                          I've been successfully configuring my own home office networks for 20 years
                                          supporting separate consulting businesses for my XYL and myself using
                                          machines that ran everything from DOS to OS/2 to NT, Win2K Pro and XP Pro,
                                          but the stuff he ran into was way over my head.

                                          IMO, a large part of the problem is that these operating systems and their
                                          networking systems increasingly have a mind of their own, configure
                                          themselves to take the user out of it, and are VERY poorly documented.


                                          73, Jim K9YC



                                          ________________________________
                                          From: Ted Bryant <w4nz@...>
                                          To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                          Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                                          Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                                          its own network interface card?

                                          Any firewalls turned on?

                                          I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                          far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.


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                                        • Jay
                                          Hi Barry I tried your suggestion a few times but as you by now, it was a wrong IP as the result of the wireless being enabled. Now that s a lesson learned. I m
                                          Message 20 of 23 , Apr 29 11:02 AM
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                                            Hi Barry

                                            I tried your suggestion a few times but as you by now, it was a wrong IP as
                                            the result of the wireless being enabled. Now that's a lesson learned. I'm
                                            sure going wireless for a network using N1MM for example must be real
                                            interesting

                                            I would hope those who maintain the website for documentation would put that
                                            in. As of now I see no notes on enabling/disabling wireless when using a
                                            wired system
                                            (http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Multiple+Computer+Contesting).

                                            I have added it to my documentation for the expedition just in case someone
                                            hits some combo of keys that could enable the wireless function like in
                                            laptop and notebook .. those cute little radio antenna icons :)

                                            The next question could be..how does one get only one PC wireless in a wired
                                            system for Internet access and not have any issues....but for now, it works
                                            and lesson learned.

                                            73
                                            Jay


                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: <w5gn@...>
                                            To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:25 AM
                                            Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7


                                            One of the things I've found with mixed XP and WINDOW SEVEN/EIGHT networked
                                            PCs, independent of N1MM, is that when I make changes to almost anything in
                                            the network, like disk letter changes, or CPU names or IP addresses,
                                            sometimes
                                            it works without any problem, but when there's some PC not seen, that if I
                                            then shutdown all systems and then start each WIN SEVEN and then start each
                                            XP one at a time, they all find each other (but you have to be patient,
                                            it took one of my XP machines about 3 minutes before it could see the rest.



                                            73

                                            Barry, W5GN


                                            Herbert W. "Barry" Merrill, PhD
                                            President-Programmer
                                            MXG Softtware
                                            Merrill Consultants
                                            10717 Cromwell Drive
                                            Dallas, TX 75229
                                            barry@...

                                            http://www.mxg.com - FAQ has Most Answers
                                            admin@... - invoices/PO/Payment
                                            support@... - technical
                                            tel: 214 351 1966 - expect slow reply, use email
                                            fax: 214 350 3694 - prefer email, still works



                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                                            Behalf Of Jim Brown
                                            Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:02 PM
                                            To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7

                                            I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and
                                            W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS
                                            wireless router. We were using computer names. It was very difficult to get
                                            working, and when his laptop decided to reboot for some reason, we lost
                                            contact with it -- we were getting the Blue indication in the Info window.
                                            Luckily one of our ops was Byron, N6NUL, who is a programmer working for
                                            Cisco. When he showed up for his shift, I pointed him at the Win7 box and
                                            asked him to beat it into submission. 45 minutes later, it was working, and
                                            he found a lot of stuff wrong.

                                            I had a similar experience on a California QSO Party county expedition with
                                            four stations through a wireless router. Laptops that worked at home through
                                            my router didn't all see each other through the different router on the
                                            expedition. After returning home, I recruited a local ham friend with lots
                                            of networking experience to troubleshoot the issues with my three machines.
                                            After 3+ hours of work he found lots of issues in the configuration of the
                                            three machines (all T4x Thinkpads I had bought as off-lease refurbs) and
                                            finally gotten them to dance together properly.

                                            I've been successfully configuring my own home office networks for 20 years
                                            supporting separate consulting businesses for my XYL and myself using
                                            machines that ran everything from DOS to OS/2 to NT, Win2K Pro and XP Pro,
                                            but the stuff he ran into was way over my head.

                                            IMO, a large part of the problem is that these operating systems and their
                                            networking systems increasingly have a mind of their own, configure
                                            themselves to take the user out of it, and are VERY poorly documented.


                                            73, Jim K9YC



                                            ________________________________
                                            From: Ted Bryant <w4nz@...>
                                            To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                            Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7



                                            Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                                            its own network interface card?

                                            Any firewalls turned on?

                                            I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                            far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.


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                                          • belanger_dany
                                            Hi Jay I just finished reading all comments. We had the same problem last summer before the IOTA Contest. We worked for over 2 hours trying to fix the problem.
                                            Message 21 of 23 , Apr 29 6:23 PM
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                                              Hi Jay

                                              I just finished reading all comments. We had the same problem last summer before the IOTA Contest. We worked for over 2 hours trying to fix the problem. When our "network expert" had finished installing the 40m verticals, it has 2 minutes and everything was settled. Also disabled the wireless network on 2 laptops and everything started to work properly. It is two laptops were used wireless in the day to make some pre-contest QSOs.

                                              Experience has shown that this is not a good idea to start all laptops at the same time. We begin with the station 0 (Master in our case and Synch for you) used for the master log and the telnet connection (no radio). Subsequently we add 2 laptops Partner (SSB and CW also no radio) one after the other watching the connections. We conclude with the main 2 laptops (Run and Multi).

                                              73

                                              Dany VE2EBK





                                              --- In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, "Jay" <PCB4U@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Hi Barry
                                              >
                                              > I tried your suggestion a few times but as you by now, it was a wrong IP as
                                              > the result of the wireless being enabled. Now that's a lesson learned. I'm
                                              > sure going wireless for a network using N1MM for example must be real
                                              > interesting
                                              >
                                              > I would hope those who maintain the website for documentation would put that
                                              > in. As of now I see no notes on enabling/disabling wireless when using a
                                              > wired system
                                              > (http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Multiple+Computer+Contesting).
                                              >
                                              > I have added it to my documentation for the expedition just in case someone
                                              > hits some combo of keys that could enable the wireless function like in
                                              > laptop and notebook .. those cute little radio antenna icons :)
                                              >
                                              > The next question could be..how does one get only one PC wireless in a wired
                                              > system for Internet access and not have any issues....but for now, it works
                                              > and lesson learned.
                                              >
                                              > 73
                                              > Jay
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > From: <w5gn@...>
                                              > To: <N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com>
                                              > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:25 AM
                                              > Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > One of the things I've found with mixed XP and WINDOW SEVEN/EIGHT networked
                                              > PCs, independent of N1MM, is that when I make changes to almost anything in
                                              > the network, like disk letter changes, or CPU names or IP addresses,
                                              > sometimes
                                              > it works without any problem, but when there's some PC not seen, that if I
                                              > then shutdown all systems and then start each WIN SEVEN and then start each
                                              > XP one at a time, they all find each other (but you have to be patient,
                                              > it took one of my XP machines about 3 minutes before it could see the rest.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > 73
                                              >
                                              > Barry, W5GN
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Herbert W. "Barry" Merrill, PhD
                                              > President-Programmer
                                              > MXG Softtware
                                              > Merrill Consultants
                                              > 10717 Cromwell Drive
                                              > Dallas, TX 75229
                                              > barry@...
                                              >
                                              > http://www.mxg.com - FAQ has Most Answers
                                              > admin@... - invoices/PO/Payment
                                              > support@... - technical
                                              > tel: 214 351 1966 - expect slow reply, use email
                                              > fax: 214 350 3694 - prefer email, still works
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > -----Original Message-----
                                              > From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
                                              > Behalf Of Jim Brown
                                              > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:02 PM
                                              > To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Subject: Re: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                              >
                                              > I hosted a small scale Multi-Two operation at my station for WPX SSB, and
                                              > W6GJB tried to add his Win 7 laptop to my XP Pro network through my ASUS
                                              > wireless router. We were using computer names. It was very difficult to get
                                              > working, and when his laptop decided to reboot for some reason, we lost
                                              > contact with it -- we were getting the Blue indication in the Info window.
                                              > Luckily one of our ops was Byron, N6NUL, who is a programmer working for
                                              > Cisco. When he showed up for his shift, I pointed him at the Win7 box and
                                              > asked him to beat it into submission. 45 minutes later, it was working, and
                                              > he found a lot of stuff wrong.
                                              >
                                              > I had a similar experience on a California QSO Party county expedition with
                                              > four stations through a wireless router. Laptops that worked at home through
                                              > my router didn't all see each other through the different router on the
                                              > expedition. After returning home, I recruited a local ham friend with lots
                                              > of networking experience to troubleshoot the issues with my three machines.
                                              > After 3+ hours of work he found lots of issues in the configuration of the
                                              > three machines (all T4x Thinkpads I had bought as off-lease refurbs) and
                                              > finally gotten them to dance together properly.
                                              >
                                              > I've been successfully configuring my own home office networks for 20 years
                                              > supporting separate consulting businesses for my XYL and myself using
                                              > machines that ran everything from DOS to OS/2 to NT, Win2K Pro and XP Pro,
                                              > but the stuff he ran into was way over my head.
                                              >
                                              > IMO, a large part of the problem is that these operating systems and their
                                              > networking systems increasingly have a mind of their own, configure
                                              > themselves to take the user out of it, and are VERY poorly documented.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > 73, Jim K9YC
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > ________________________________
                                              > From: Ted Bryant <w4nz@...>
                                              > To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:56 AM
                                              > Subject: RE: [N1MM] Lan issue with XP and Windows 7
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Why is the SYNC computer showing its own connection as blue? Can it ping
                                              > its own network interface card?
                                              >
                                              > Any firewalls turned on?
                                              >
                                              > I have an XP/SP3 machine that networks fine with my Win7/64 computer. So
                                              > far, I'm unable to duplicate your situation.
                                              >
                                              >
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