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RE: [N1MM] COQP Scoring vs. N1MM

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  • John Bednar
    Bill, It s certainly possible for contest sponsors to create unique rules that may not be implemented by the developer. It s also possible that the sponsor
    Message 1 of 5 , Sep 2, 2012
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      Bill,

      It's certainly possible for contest sponsors to create unique rules that may
      not be implemented by the developer. It's also possible that the sponsor
      changed the rules and didn't let us know.

      The Cabrillo file doesn't contain QSO points and the sponsor should rescore
      everyone's log to their rules. Add a couple million points to the score
      line, that will get their attention.

      I took a quick look at the rules and the program code and don't see an
      obvious error. The power multiplier, radio mode, non-K/VE/KL/KH6 station,
      and the mobile bonus are all implemented. Notice that 9.b indicates the
      power multiplier is multiplied by the QSO points. Be sure that you selected
      the correct power in the contest setup window. If you changed it after the
      contest started, you will need to rescore the log.

      If there still is a problem, please send me a short direct email with a one
      or two QSO example that shows the problem.

      John, K3CT

      -----Original Message-----
      From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of Bill Waters
      Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:28 PM
      To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [N1MM] COQP Scoring vs. N1MM


      As you may be aware, the COQP (just completed) rules differ somewhat in the
      score calculation procedure from what is now automatically generated by
      N1MM. Specifically, section (county) mults apply only to specific mode QSOs,
      and not to all QSOs. As a result, the N1MM "score" is considerably higher
      than the "real" score.

      Bill, W7GKF




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    • Robert Chudek - K0RC
      Attention contest sponsors... After I saw the message regarding a potential scoring issue in the Logger I went to the website to review the rules and scoring.
      Message 2 of 5 , Sep 2, 2012
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        Attention contest sponsors...

        After I saw the message regarding a potential scoring issue in the
        Logger I went to the website to review the rules and scoring.

        I could not believe the complexity of what was implemented. To me this
        earns the Rube Goldberg Award for any scoring system I have ever seen!

        I'll reserve any further comments (walking away, shaking his head)...

        As John mentions, the contest sponsor is the ultimate judge of
        everyone's final score.

        73 de Bob - K├śRC in MN

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        On 9/2/2012 7:54 PM, John Bednar wrote:
        >
        > Bill,
        >
        > It's certainly possible for contest sponsors to create unique rules
        > that may
        > not be implemented by the developer. It's also possible that the sponsor
        > changed the rules and didn't let us know.
        >
        > The Cabrillo file doesn't contain QSO points and the sponsor should
        > rescore
        > everyone's log to their rules. Add a couple million points to the score
        > line, that will get their attention.
        >
        > I took a quick look at the rules and the program code and don't see an
        > obvious error. The power multiplier, radio mode, non-K/VE/KL/KH6 station,
        > and the mobile bonus are all implemented. Notice that 9.b indicates the
        > power multiplier is multiplied by the QSO points. Be sure that you
        > selected
        > the correct power in the contest setup window. If you changed it after the
        > contest started, you will need to rescore the log.
        >
        > If there still is a problem, please send me a short direct email with
        > a one
        > or two QSO example that shows the problem.
        >
        > John, K3CT
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>
        > [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
        > <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>] On
        > Behalf Of Bill Waters
        > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:28 PM
        > To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:N1MMLogger%40yahoogroups.com>
        > Subject: [N1MM] COQP Scoring vs. N1MM
        >
        > As you may be aware, the COQP (just completed) rules differ somewhat
        > in the
        > score calculation procedure from what is now automatically generated by
        > N1MM. Specifically, section (county) mults apply only to specific mode
        > QSOs,
        > and not to all QSOs. As a result, the N1MM "score" is considerably higher
        > than the "real" score.
        >
        > Bill, W7GKF
        >
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      • Bill Waters
        John: As Bob stated, the COQP scoring calculation is, to say the least, unique. It s really no big deal, because as you say, the sponsors will do the correct
        Message 3 of 5 , Sep 3, 2012
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          John:

          As Bob stated, the COQP scoring calculation is, to say the least,
          unique. It's really no big deal, because as you say, the sponsors will
          do the correct calculations based on the submitted Cabrillo file. They
          have noted the discrepancy with N1MM in the past, but there is real
          incentive for them to change.

          But for illustration purposes: Say an out-of-state mixed-mode entrant
          works 2 CO counties on CW and 2 on phone. His QSO points for those
          contacts would be 4 and 2, respectively. Then if he were running 150
          watts or less, QSO points would be raised to 8 and 4 respectively. Now,
          N1MM would multiply the total QSO points (12) by the total 4 sections
          worked to give a score of 48 (the way most QPs score mixed-mode
          results).

          However, in COQP the section (or county) mults are used for the
          respective mode only. So the CW's 8 QSO points will be multiplied by 2
          (to give 16), and the SSB's 4 QSO points will be multiplied by 2 (to
          give 8). The total is then 24, not "48."

          Note that this scoring peculiarity makes a difference for mixed-mode
          entrants only. Single mode calculations are identical for N1MM and
          COQP.

          Bill, W7GKF








          --- In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, "John Bednar" <k3ct@...> wrote:
          >
          > Bill,
          >
          > It's certainly possible for contest sponsors to create unique rules
          that may
          > not be implemented by the developer. It's also possible that the
          sponsor
          > changed the rules and didn't let us know.
          >
          > The Cabrillo file doesn't contain QSO points and the sponsor should
          rescore
          > everyone's log to their rules. Add a couple million points to the
          score
          > line, that will get their attention.
          >
          > I took a quick look at the rules and the program code and don't see an
          > obvious error. The power multiplier, radio mode, non-K/VE/KL/KH6
          station,
          > and the mobile bonus are all implemented. Notice that 9.b indicates
          the
          > power multiplier is multiplied by the QSO points. Be sure that you
          selected
          > the correct power in the contest setup window. If you changed it after
          the
          > contest started, you will need to rescore the log.
          >
          > If there still is a problem, please send me a short direct email with
          a one
          > or two QSO example that shows the problem.
          >
          > John, K3CT
          >
          > -----Original Message-----
          > From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com]
          On
          > Behalf Of Bill Waters
          > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:28 PM
          > To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [N1MM] COQP Scoring vs. N1MM
          >
          >
          > As you may be aware, the COQP (just completed) rules differ somewhat
          in the
          > score calculation procedure from what is now automatically generated
          by
          > N1MM. Specifically, section (county) mults apply only to specific mode
          QSOs,
          > and not to all QSOs. As a result, the N1MM "score" is considerably
          higher
          > than the "real" score.
          >
          > Bill, W7GKF
          >
          >
          >
          >
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          >
          > To unsubscribe, send an email to:
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        • John Bednar
          Bill, Thanks for the explanation and you are correct. Let me know two months prior to the 2013 contest if the scoring stays the same. John, K3CT ... From:
          Message 4 of 5 , Sep 3, 2012
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            Bill,

            Thanks for the explanation and you are correct.
            Let me know two months prior to the 2013 contest if the scoring stays the
            same.

            John, K3CT


            -----Original Message-----
            From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of Bill Waters
            Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 2:11 PM
            To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [N1MM] COQP Scoring vs. N1MM


            John:

            As Bob stated, the COQP scoring calculation is, to say the least, unique.
            It's really no big deal, because as you say, the sponsors will do the
            correct calculations based on the submitted Cabrillo file. They have noted
            the discrepancy with N1MM in the past, but there is real incentive for them
            to change.

            But for illustration purposes: Say an out-of-state mixed-mode entrant works
            2 CO counties on CW and 2 on phone. His QSO points for those contacts would
            be 4 and 2, respectively. Then if he were running 150 watts or less, QSO
            points would be raised to 8 and 4 respectively. Now, N1MM would multiply the
            total QSO points (12) by the total 4 sections worked to give a score of 48
            (the way most QPs score mixed-mode results).

            However, in COQP the section (or county) mults are used for the respective
            mode only. So the CW's 8 QSO points will be multiplied by 2 (to give 16),
            and the SSB's 4 QSO points will be multiplied by 2 (to give 8). The total is
            then 24, not "48."

            Note that this scoring peculiarity makes a difference for mixed-mode
            entrants only. Single mode calculations are identical for N1MM and COQP.

            Bill, W7GKF








            --- In N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com, "John Bednar" <k3ct@...> wrote:
            >
            > Bill,
            >
            > It's certainly possible for contest sponsors to create unique rules
            that may
            > not be implemented by the developer. It's also possible that the
            sponsor
            > changed the rules and didn't let us know.
            >
            > The Cabrillo file doesn't contain QSO points and the sponsor should
            rescore
            > everyone's log to their rules. Add a couple million points to the
            score
            > line, that will get their attention.
            >
            > I took a quick look at the rules and the program code and don't see an
            > obvious error. The power multiplier, radio mode, non-K/VE/KL/KH6
            station,
            > and the mobile bonus are all implemented. Notice that 9.b indicates
            the
            > power multiplier is multiplied by the QSO points. Be sure that you
            selected
            > the correct power in the contest setup window. If you changed it after
            the
            > contest started, you will need to rescore the log.
            >
            > If there still is a problem, please send me a short direct email with
            a one
            > or two QSO example that shows the problem.
            >
            > John, K3CT
            >
            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com]
            On
            > Behalf Of Bill Waters
            > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:28 PM
            > To: N1MMLogger@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: [N1MM] COQP Scoring vs. N1MM
            >
            >
            > As you may be aware, the COQP (just completed) rules differ somewhat
            in the
            > score calculation procedure from what is now automatically generated
            by
            > N1MM. Specifically, section (county) mults apply only to specific mode
            QSOs,
            > and not to all QSOs. As a result, the N1MM "score" is considerably
            higher
            > than the "real" score.
            >
            > Bill, W7GKF
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ------------------------------------
            >
            > To unsubscribe, send an email to:
            > N1MMLogger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
            >
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            >




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