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  • Bhupesh Patel
    It was nice to see Anthony s article. The momentum, money, and members are really growing!!! However, I wish the term the three sisters had been reiterated
    Message 1 of 6 , Mar 12, 2004
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      It was nice to see Anthony's article.  The momentum, money, and members are really growing!!!
       
      However, I wish the term the "three sisters" had been reiterated in Anthony's article so that it would be attached with the "mini-masterplan" of the three bridges and the connectivity across and between the bridges.  I know that we have a masterplan for the entire Mystic River Waterbasin underway.  But there is a "void" in scale between the "Mystic River Masterplan" and "just the dam crossing" or "just the vital link".  The "three sister bridges" is a mini masterplan that fills this void and has already caught on with many of the players such as in the WalkBoston newsletter.  This is why I have pushed the coining of the "three sisters" at our original meeting.
       
      Furthermore, as I presented at the last Mystic Crossing meeting with the aid of a urban planning diagram, the three bridges provide crucial and minimal crossings for very specific and distinct regions.   And with all the excitement and momentum concerning the Earhart dam I do worry that unless it is "religiously" attached to the "three sisters" that the momentum, money, and members will just fizzle out after the first phase of the Dam is underway. 
       
      Bhupesh Patel
      Architect and Urban Planner
      Somerville Bike Committee
      Friends of the Community Path
      Assembly Square Design Review Committee
      Route 28 Steering Committee
      STEP member
      PS I have listed my affiliation to encourage people to write me back with any suggestions or recommendations concerning any and all of the above.
       
       
       
       
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: smith.catherine@...
      Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:50 AM
      To: MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage
       




      Just so you know, the Regional Administrator recognized Mass Bike in his
      remarks at the press conference, and the fact sheet that we handed out
      at the conference (to accompany the press release) also discussed Mass
      Bike's role.


                                                                                                               
                            Bryce Nesbitt                                                                      
                            <bryce1@obviousl         To:      MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com                   
                            y.com>                   cc:                                                       
                                                     Subject: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage                
                            03/11/2004 11:37                                                                   
                            AM                                                                                 
                            Please respond                                                                     
                            to                                                                                 
                            MysticCrossing                                                                     
                                                                                                               
                                                                                                               




      http://wwwboston.com/dailyglobe2/071/metro/T_agrees_to_pollution_fines_upgrades+.shtml


      "They were a chronic violator," said Robert W. Varney, New England
      regional administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency,
      referring to the T. But, he said, the T has "really seen this was a
      problem, and they have taken the issue to heart."

      ....

      "The donation of the strip of MBTA-owned property along the Mystic
      River will complete a vital link in a commuter bike path between Draw
      7 park in Somerville and Sullivan Station, said Bryce Nesbitt, a
      member of the Somerville Community Path organization. A path through
      the MBTA yard also will connect with future parkland development at
      Assembly Square, he said."





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    • EPDMARINE
      Bhupesh, I must say that I admire your continued advocacy for the Three Sisters. Your almost single minded dedication to the concept of the Three Sisters is
      Message 2 of 6 , Mar 13, 2004
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        Bhupesh,
         
        I must say that I admire your continued advocacy for the Three Sisters. Your almost single minded dedication to the concept of the Three Sisters is certainly inspirational to me as a reminder to continue to push the goals of public access to as many people as possible.
         
        However, I don't share the concern you have about a void. I think that the individuals in this group support the "Master Plan" and yet have different, almost parochial "first steps". The fact that despite our differing viewpoints on getting to the Master Plan, we can come together and support one crucial link at a time is a wondrous thing. And while we support these crucial links as a group we have not forgotten our own individual goals. In the short time I've been involved with advocating for public access I've seen a lot happen at many different levels. What I once thought as a long peril filled voyage is proving to be easier than I imagined. (Though no sunny summer Sunday on the Basin, either)
         
        The fact that we support the Dam Crossing as a group has focused attention on the Mystic that we couldn't get as individuals and that helps our "parochial" goals. I know that I will be able to leverage this attention for work in Everett, Tuck is doing the same in Somerville and the watershed association throughout the basin.
         
        My personal opinion is that the Three Sisters Concept is/was a wonderful tool to attract attention to the Mystic Basin. The Dam Crossing has now drawn that attention and the MBTA extension focuses it even more. Dan Driscoll and Julia O'Brien at DCR will be able to use this critical mass and pull the pieces together. We do need to keep the big picture of the Master Plan in front of our communities while we continue to address specific projects. The dam crossing is getting well known, the Master Plan is known and I think introducing the Three Sisters "religiously" as a mini master plan might serve to confuse rather than enlighten.
         
        I'm not suggesting that you stop advocating for the Three Sisters (I know you won't) but I do want you to know that failure to mention this intermediate step does not mean we don't support it.
         
        Officer Patrick Johnston
        Everett Police Marine Division
        617-905-3747
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Bhupesh Patel [mailto:bhupes@...]
        Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:16 PM
        To: MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com
        Cc: Bryce Nesbitt; Bryce Nesbitt; SBC; Anthony Flint; Daniel Driscoll; Janet Kovner; Tim Baldwin; Wig Zamore
        Subject: Re: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage

        It was nice to see Anthony's article.  The momentum, money, and members are really growing!!!
         
        However, I wish the term the "three sisters" had been reiterated in Anthony's article so that it would be attached with the "mini-masterplan" of the three bridges and the connectivity across and between the bridges.  I know that we have a masterplan for the entire Mystic River Waterbasin underway.  But there is a "void" in scale between the "Mystic River Masterplan" and "just the dam crossing" or "just the vital link".  The "three sister bridges" is a mini masterplan that fills this void and has already caught on with many of the players such as in the WalkBoston newsletter.  This is why I have pushed the coining of the "three sisters" at our original meeting.
         
        Furthermore, as I presented at the last Mystic Crossing meeting with the aid of a urban planning diagram, the three bridges provide crucial and minimal crossings for very specific and distinct regions.   And with all the excitement and momentum concerning the Earhart dam I do worry that unless it is "religiously" attached to the "three sisters" that the momentum, money, and members will just fizzle out after the first phase of the Dam is underway. 
         
        Bhupesh Patel
        Architect and Urban Planner
        Somerville Bike Committee
        Friends of the Community Path
        Assembly Square Design Review Committee
        Route 28 Steering Committee
        STEP member
        PS I have listed my affiliation to encourage people to write me back with any suggestions or recommendations concerning any and all of the above.
         
         
         
         
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: smith.catherine@...
        Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:50 AM
        To: MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage
         




        Just so you know, the Regional Administrator recognized Mass Bike in his
        remarks at the press conference, and the fact sheet that we handed out
        at the conference (to accompany the press release) also discussed Mass
        Bike's role.


                                                                                                                 
                              Bryce Nesbitt                                                                      
                              <bryce1@obviousl         To:      MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com                   
                              y.com>                   cc:                                                       
                                                       Subject: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage                
                              03/11/2004 11:37                                                                   
                              AM                                                                                 
                              Please respond                                                                     
                              to                                                                                 
                              MysticCrossing                                                                     
                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                 




        http://wwwboston.com/dailyglobe2/071/metro/T_agrees_to_pollution_fines_upgrades+.shtml


        "They were a chronic violator," said Robert W. Varney, New England
        regional administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency,
        referring to the T. But, he said, the T has "really seen this was a
        problem, and they have taken the issue to heart."

        ....

        "The donation of the strip of MBTA-owned property along the Mystic
        River will complete a vital link in a commuter bike path between Draw
        7 park in Somerville and Sullivan Station, said Bryce Nesbitt, a
        member of the Somerville Community Path organization. A path through
        the MBTA yard also will connect with future parkland development at
        Assembly Square, he said."





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      • Bhupesh Patel
        I still do not see how attaching this one link with abutting links(3 sisters) and the DCR masterplan hurts your cause. Rather it helps galvanize its
        Message 3 of 6 , Mar 16, 2004
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          I still do not see how attaching this one link with abutting links(3 sisters) and the DCR masterplan hurts your cause.  Rather it helps galvanize its importance as a first and crucial important step. 
           
          Furthermore the regional momentum is exactly from such potential.  This is why I bothered to explain what each of these links mean beyond the water's edge.
           
          And if you do not want to embrace a mini masterplan that other regional players such as walkboston and massbike have than maybe you can explain the "other next step" being the extensive masterplan for Mystic river in one succinct statement. 
           
          Because if you take note of what has happened on the Charles - the river has been defined in three distinct area and each area has a subsection of two or three bridges and pathways.  these subsections (similar scale to the three sisters) allows Dan Driscoll to get his hands around a scope that is palettable for the constituents that approve design drawings, the designers who respond to the RFP and the Transportation enhancement program which provides construction funds.
           
          This, again is boiler plate stuff.  And it is boiler plate for the obvious reasons such as galvanizing support, the simple lagistics of digesting the issues, and the provision of ensuring each link is contextually designed.
           
          Sorry but as a urban planner, architect, and transportation chunky, I have to harp the bigger picture if we expect these individual links to be truly successful for the better off, well represented players and the poor and not so well represented players.
           
          Bhupesh
           
           
           
           
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: EPDMARINE
          Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:16 AM
          To: MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage
           
          Bhupesh,
           
          I must say that I admire your continued advocacy for the Three Sisters. Your almost single minded dedication to the concept of the Three Sisters is certainly inspirational to me as a reminder to continue to push the goals of public access to as many people as possible.
           
          However, I don't share the concern you have about a void. I think that the individuals in this group support the "Master Plan" and yet have different, almost parochial "first steps". The fact that despite our differing viewpoints on getting to the Master Plan, we can come together and support one crucial link at a time is a wondrous thing. And while we support these crucial links as a group we have not forgotten our own individual goals. In the short time I've been involved with advocating for public access I've seen a lot happen at many different levels. What I once thought as a long peril filled voyage is proving to be easier than I imagined. (Though no sunny summer Sunday on the Basin, either)
           
          The fact that we support the Dam Crossing as a group has focused attention on the Mystic that we couldn't get as individuals and that helps our "parochial" goals. I know that I will be able to leverage this attention for work in Everett, Tuck is doing the same in Somerville and the watershed association throughout the basin.
           
          My personal opinion is that the Three Sisters Concept is/was a wonderful tool to attract attention to the Mystic Basin. The Dam Crossing has now drawn that attention and the MBTA extension focuses it even more. Dan Driscoll and Julia O'Brien at DCR will be able to use this critical mass and pull the pieces together. We do need to keep the big picture of the Master Plan in front of our communities while we continue to address specific projects. The dam crossing is getting well known, the Master Plan is known and I think introducing the Three Sisters "religiously" as a mini master plan might serve to confuse rather than enlighten.
           
          I'm not suggesting that you stop advocating for the Three Sisters (I know you won't) but I do want you to know that failure to mention this intermediate step does not mean we don't support it.
           
          Officer Patrick Johnston
          Everett Police Marine Division
          617-905-3747
          -----Original Message-----
          From: Bhupesh Patel [mailto:bhupes@...]
          Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:16 PM
          To: MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com
          Cc: Bryce Nesbitt; Bryce Nesbitt; SBC; Anthony Flint; Daniel Driscoll; Janet Kovner; Tim Baldwin; Wig Zamore
          Subject: Re: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage

          It was nice to see Anthony's article.  The momentum, money, and members are really growing!!!
           
          However, I wish the term the "three sisters" had been reiterated in Anthony's article so that it would be attached with the "mini-masterplan" of the three bridges and the connectivity across and between the bridges.  I know that we have a masterplan for the entire Mystic River Waterbasin underway.  But there is a "void" in scale between the "Mystic River Masterplan" and "just the dam crossing" or "just the vital link".  The "three sister bridges" is a mini masterplan that fills this void and has already caught on with many of the players such as in the WalkBoston newsletter.  This is why I have pushed the coining of the "three sisters" at our original meeting.
           
          Furthermore, as I presented at the last Mystic Crossing meeting with the aid of a urban planning diagram, the three bridges provide crucial and minimal crossings for very specific and distinct regions.   And with all the excitement and momentum concerning the Earhart dam I do worry that unless it is "religiously" attached to the "three sisters" that the momentum, money, and members will just fizzle out after the first phase of the Dam is underway. 
           
          Bhupesh Patel
          Architect and Urban Planner
          Somerville Bike Committee
          Friends of the Community Path
          Assembly Square Design Review Committee
          Route 28 Steering Committee
          STEP member
          PS I have listed my affiliation to encourage people to write me back with any suggestions or recommendations concerning any and all of the above.
           
           
           
           
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: smith.catherine@...
          Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:50 AM
          To: MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage
           




          Just so you know, the Regional Administrator recognized Mass Bike in his
          remarks at the press conference, and the fact sheet that we handed out
          at the conference (to accompany the press release) also discussed Mass
          Bike's role.


                                                                                                                   
                                Bryce Nesbitt                                                                      
                                <bryce1@obviousl         To:      MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com                   
                                y.com>                   cc:                                                       
                                                         Subject: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage                
                                03/11/2004 11:37                                                                   
                                AM                                                                                 
                                Please respond                                                                     
                                to                                                                                 
                                MysticCrossing                                                                     
                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                   




          http://wwwboston.com/dailyglobe2/071/metro/T_agrees_to_pollution_fines_upgrades+.shtml


          "They were a chronic violator," said Robert W. Varney, New England
          regional administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency,
          referring to the T. But, he said, the T has "really seen this was a
          problem, and they have taken the issue to heart."

          ....

          "The donation of the strip of MBTA-owned property along the Mystic
          River will complete a vital link in a commuter bike path between Draw
          7 park in Somerville and Sullivan Station, said Bryce Nesbitt, a
          member of the Somerville Community Path organization. A path through
          the MBTA yard also will connect with future parkland development at
          Assembly Square, he said"





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        • EPDMARINE
          Bhupesh, Please re-read my email..never said 3 sisters hurts Mystic Crossing, did say introducing an additional concept might be confusing. Did say failure to
          Message 4 of 6 , Mar 16, 2004
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            Bhupesh, Please re-read my email..never said 3 sisters hurts Mystic Crossing, did say introducing an additional concept might be confusing. Did say failure to "religiously" push the 3 sisters concept is not indicative of non-support of the concept. Tried to say "lighten up, you're preaching to the choir!"
             
             
            Officer Patrick Johnston
            Everett Police Marine Division
            617-905-3747
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Bhupesh Patel [mailto:bhupes@...]
            Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:42 AM
            To: MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage

            I still do not see how attaching this one link with abutting links(3 sisters) and the DCR masterplan hurts your cause.  Rather it helps galvanize its importance as a first and crucial important step. 
             
            Furthermore the regional momentum is exactly from such potential.  This is why I bothered to explain what each of these links mean beyond the water's edge.
             
            And if you do not want to embrace a mini masterplan that other regional players such as walkboston and massbike have than maybe you can explain the "other next step" being the extensive masterplan for Mystic river in one succinct statement. 
             
            Because if you take note of what has happened on the Charles - the river has been defined in three distinct area and each area has a subsection of two or three bridges and pathways.  these subsections (similar scale to the three sisters) allows Dan Driscoll to get his hands around a scope that is palettable for the constituents that approve design drawings, the designers who respond to the RFP and the Transportation enhancement program which provides construction funds.
             
            This, again is boiler plate stuff.  And it is boiler plate for the obvious reasons such as galvanizing support, the simple lagistics of digesting the issues, and the provision of ensuring each link is contextually designed.
             
            Sorry but as a urban planner, architect, and transportation chunky, I have to harp the bigger picture if we expect these individual links to be truly successful for the better off, well represented players and the poor and not so well represented players.
             
            Bhupesh
             
             
             
             
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: EPDMARINE
            Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:16 AM
            To: MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage
             
            Bhupesh,
             
            I must say that I admire your continued advocacy for the Three Sisters. Your almost single minded dedication to the concept of the Three Sisters is certainly inspirational to me as a reminder to continue to push the goals of public access to as many people as possible.
             
            However, I don't share the concern you have about a void. I think that the individuals in this group support the "Master Plan" and yet have different, almost parochial "first steps". The fact that despite our differing viewpoints on getting to the Master Plan, we can come together and support one crucial link at a time is a wondrous thing. And while we support these crucial links as a group we have not forgotten our own individual goals. In the short time I've been involved with advocating for public access I've seen a lot happen at many different levels. What I once thought as a long peril filled voyage is proving to be easier than I imagined. (Though no sunny summer Sunday on the Basin, either)
             
            The fact that we support the Dam Crossing as a group has focused attention on the Mystic that we couldn't get as individuals and that helps our "parochial" goals. I know that I will be able to leverage this attention for work in Everett, Tuck is doing the same in Somerville and the watershed association throughout the basin.
             
            My personal opinion is that the Three Sisters Concept is/was a wonderful tool to attract attention to the Mystic Basin. The Dam Crossing has now drawn that attention and the MBTA extension focuses it even more. Dan Driscoll and Julia O'Brien at DCR will be able to use this critical mass and pull the pieces together. We do need to keep the big picture of the Master Plan in front of our communities while we continue to address specific projects. The dam crossing is getting well known, the Master Plan is known and I think introducing the Three Sisters "religiously" as a mini master plan might serve to confuse rather than enlighten.
             
            I'm not suggesting that you stop advocating for the Three Sisters (I know you won't) but I do want you to know that failure to mention this intermediate step does not mean we don't support it.
             
            Officer Patrick Johnston
            Everett Police Marine Division
            617-905-3747
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Bhupesh Patel [mailto:bhupes@...]
            Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:16 PM
            To: MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com
            Cc: Bryce Nesbitt; Bryce Nesbitt; SBC; Anthony Flint; Daniel Driscoll; Janet Kovner; Tim Baldwin; Wig Zamore
            Subject: Re: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage

            It was nice to see Anthony's article.  The momentum, money, and members are really growing!!!
             
            However, I wish the term the "three sisters" had been reiterated in Anthony's article so that it would be attached with the "mini-masterplan" of the three bridges and the connectivity across and between the bridges.  I know that we have a masterplan for the entire Mystic River Waterbasin underway.  But there is a "void" in scale between the "Mystic River Masterplan" and "just the dam crossing" or "just the vital link".  The "three sister bridges" is a mini masterplan that fills this void and has already caught on with many of the players such as in the WalkBoston newsletter.  This is why I have pushed the coining of the "three sisters" at our original meeting.
             
            Furthermore, as I presented at the last Mystic Crossing meeting with the aid of a urban planning diagram, the three bridges provide crucial and minimal crossings for very specific and distinct regions.   And with all the excitement and momentum concerning the Earhart dam I do worry that unless it is "religiously" attached to the "three sisters" that the momentum, money, and members will just fizzle out after the first phase of the Dam is underway. 
             
            Bhupesh Patel
            Architect and Urban Planner
            Somerville Bike Committee
            Friends of the Community Path
            Assembly Square Design Review Committee
            Route 28 Steering Committee
            STEP member
            PS I have listed my affiliation to encourage people to write me back with any suggestions or recommendations concerning any and all of the above.
             
             
             
             
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: smith.catherine@...
            Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:50 AM
            To: MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage
             




            Just so you know, the Regional Administrator recognized Mass Bike in his
            remarks at the press conference, and the fact sheet that we handed out
            at the conference (to accompany the press release) also discussed Mass
            Bike's role.


                                                                                                                     
                                  Bryce Nesbitt                                                                      
                                  <bryce1@obviousl         To:      MysticCrossing@yahoogroups.com                   
                                  y.com>                   cc:                                                       
                                                           Subject: [MysticCrossing] Globe's coverage                
                                  03/11/2004 11:37                                                                   
                                  AM                                                                                 
                                  Please respond                                                                     
                                  to                                                                                 
                                  MysticCrossing                                                                     
                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                     




            http://wwwboston.com/dailyglobe2/071/metro/T_agrees_to_pollution_fines_upgrades+.shtml


            "They were a chronic violator," said Robert W. Varney, New England
            regional administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency,
            referring to the T. But, he said, the T has "really seen this was a
            problem, and they have taken the issue to heart."

            ....

            "The donation of the strip of MBTA-owned property along the Mystic
            River will complete a vital link in a commuter bike path between Draw
            7 park in Somerville and Sullivan Station, said Bryce Nesbitt, a
            member of the Somerville Community Path organization. A path through
            the MBTA yard also will connect with future parkland development at
            Assembly Square, he said"





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