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  • S Turkman
    Your accusation against the British is wrong because till last moments British, 2 million British who had never seen England, some of them 10th Generation of
    Message 1 of 2 , Jul 4, 2010
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        Your accusation against the British is wrong because till last moments British, 2 million British who had never seen England, some of them 10th Generation of British born in the Sub Continent, who considered the Sub Continent their own Homeland and the Anglo Indians had not wanted to divide India. Proof?
      In his Auto Biography (written decades later), Lord Mount Baton writes, ...
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      "We could break everybody but not Jinnah. Had we known, he had Tuberculosis and had 2 more years to live, we would have waited. We were in no hurry to leave".
      He also was very sad that so many lives were lost during Partition of India. He thought Great Britain was responsible for their Deaths because not enough Army was available to save them all.
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      Plight of British in Pakistan and India:
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      The British in good jobs in the Sub Continent, the Sub Continent Born British and Anglo Indians had feared that if the Sub Continent did not remain a mixture of all Ethnic Groups and was divided on ground of Moslims and Hindus, they would lose their jobs, mistreated or even killed on regular basis. This is why all of them had started fleeing to England after Partition and now no British of those days are left. Anglo Indian population has also drastically decreased especially in Pakistan. In those days, there used to be no Visa requirement for England and whoever had enough money to buy a plane or Ship Ticket, could leave. They were right and after Partition ordinary Army Soldiers in Pakistan had started beating up their British Majors. Ordinary Constable was beating up Superintendent Police. Peon was insulting British Director of his Department. When complained, they were laughed at and told by their Moslim Officers, "This is not your country. We are not your Slaves anymore. Why don't you go back ...?" ... Now grandchildren of the same Indian and Pakistani people shout if you tell them the same and say, "No I was born in U.K. I am a British Citizen". They don't remember those British in Pakistan and India were also not only Birth Citizens, they were up to 10th Generation of Indian Sub Continent Born Citizens in some cases and some towns or Historical Monuments still were on names of their ancestors. ... According to Queen Elizabeth,. "4 million Britons were born in Sub Continent India (in more than 4 centuries)". 
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      FACTS   ABOUT  DIVISION   BENGAL   AND  PUNJAB:
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      1. Bengal was divided because Hindus, who were a minority in Bengal, had complained of prejudice by Moslim Majority. Moslim League Chief Minister of Bengal (the most populous state of British India) Mr.SohorwarDi had broken up with Mr. Jinnah on accepting a Pakistan that was going to leave half of his followers in India. At the last minute he had tried to unite Bengal and demanded two Independent Pakistans but the British had refused to listen to him.
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      2. Congress Party Ally, the Unionist Party was in power in United Punjab and Moslim League had never won more than 2 Assembly Seats in that Punjab but Mr. Jinnah had said, "If Hindu India was getting all the Hindu Majority Provinces, Pakistan should get all Moslim Majority Provinces" so, the Viceroy had agreed to give Punjab to Pakistan despite that Punjab Assembly had earlier passed following Resolutions:
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      a) Its not fair that Viceroy has accepted Mr. Jinnah and Moslim League as Representative of all Moslims of the British India.
      b) We do not want to be represented by Moslim League and Mr. Jinnah.
      c) Moslim League has never won more than 2 seats in Punjab Assembly so, Punjabis have already rejected it in practice.
      d) We do not want to be a part of Pakistan. it does not want to be but then came Congress and objected on that.
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      When appeals of Congress had failed, Congress said, "Then, at least Punjab should be divided just like Bengal to save lives of Hindus and Sikhs, who are in majority in East of River Beyas (the River east of Ravi, which has gone dry now)". Viceroy had agreed and Mr. Jinnah ended up agreeing on it otherwise, he was told there would be no Pakistan.
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      3. Khaksar Movement had nothing to do with any British Conspiracy Theory and Moslim League but it was not an Ally of Congress Party either. It had lost all its little popularity that it had, when a 'would be Assassin' of Mr. Jinnah was found linked to it though the party had denied, it had told him to assassinate Mr. Jinnah. The Leader of this movement, 'Ullaama Mashriqi'  was the smartest student ever in Great Britain's history because he had gotten 4 Ph. Ds in just 4 months. He was a good Mathematician and may be an Astrologer or Psychic also. He had predicted Pakistan could not last until 1972. Now its a part of history that in 1971, 56% of Pakistanis were no more Pakistanis. They became Bangladeshis. More details about Ullaama Mashriqi can be obtained by searching on Google.  

       

      From: tariqkhanteekay@...

         Thanks.  Very  appreciative  that  there  is  being  promoted  a  knowledgeable  discussion  about  the  events  followed  the  illigimate, uncalled for, unlaw ful  partition  of  the  provinces of  Punjab  and  Bengal  by  the  Britishers  under  a  cunning    plan  to  divide  the  ruling  muslims  of  India  into  three  separate  states.
       
         May  I  request  more  minds  may  express  their     valued   comments  so  as  we  get  a  better  picture  of  the  ""THAREEK  e  PAKISTAN''   and  the  Leaders  of this  Thareek.  We  should  also  explore  the  role  of  KHAKSAR  TAHREEK  and  why  it  was  dispersed  to  promote  the  agenda  of  Muslim  League?   ....tariq khan.
       

      Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 16:04:53 -0700
      From: turkman@...

      My comments are inserted below.


      From: Syed Sadruddin Hussain <sydsadr@...>

       
      CREATION OF PAKISTAN AND QUAIDE AZAM;
       
      Mr. Turkman: Let me remove some of your misunderstanding. Quaide Azam married the Parsi Lady, Ruti after converting her to Islam and she lies buried in a Muslim graveyard in Bombay.
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      TURKMAN: Not really. He had either abducted her or she a, 16 years old girl had ran-away to him. Kidnapping Case was filed against about 20 years older Jinnah in a Bombay but it was thrown out because she had claimed she was not kidnapped. He had a Civil Marriage to avoid charges of having sex with a Minor. Years later, he had thrown a party to make Mollaas happy by announcing she had converted to Islam. SHRIYAH LAW does not permit a marriage first and conversion later, sorry.
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       His only daughter later became a Parsi and stayed back in Bombay in the ancestral house of grand parents besides Quaide Azam 's own house. Quade Azam and his sister were allotted the Flaq Staff House and Mohatta Palace in lieu of their left over big houses in Bombay and Delhi seized by the Indian government as evacuee property.
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      TURKMAN: His wife had never converted in reality so after her death, her daughter had remained Parsi and she was raised by her mother's family. No Properties of Mr. Jinnah were ever seized by India. He had exchanged his Delhi Property with Mohatta Palace in Karachi but not his bigger Property, a huge Mansion in Bombay because he had wanted to live in it after he retired. That Mansion was given to Pakistan and Pak High Commission used to be in it. When, Pak India diplomatic relations had ended it was empty and when it was about to be nationalized, Mr. Jinnah's daughter had claimed it. I do not know, if she won that case or not.
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      You are wrong to say that Quaide Azam ordered invasion of Kalat State. Actually this was done by Ayub Khan and Khan of Kalat was arrested due to his move for independence.
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      TURKMAN:  ... Oh, I had no idea, Mr. Jinnah was already dead in 1948 and General Ayub was running Pakistan already. Please correct the history books, which say Ayub came in power on 27th October, 1958 ...! ... I think, you are confusing Qalat with Pakistan's invasion of Gwadur area, which used be a part of Oman and Ayub had ordered its take over. Was not Qalat independent even before Pakistan's formation? What authority Pakistan had to arrest owner of a neighboring Independent State that Pakistan had never gotten from British?
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      The Quade Azam allowed the British set up of Baluchistan States Union to function consisting of princely states of Kalat, Lasbela, Kharan, Mekran and areas of Sirdars in Baluchistan till such time they are absorbed later. This system was abolished when one unit was formed in 1956.
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      TURKMAN: How come India could not do the same with Pakistan and 'absorb' it? Were not similar 'British Arrangements' in Afghanistan, Eastern Iran, Oman and Yemen also? How come Pakistan did not 'absorb' them too?
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       FATA is actually a big tribal belt of Pushtoon people adjoining Afghanistan and formerly belonged to Afghanistan but later divided by the Durand Line and the Britishers had given them internal autonomy to manage their own affairs with a British Agent to overlook them.
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      TURKMAN: But when had British given them to Pakistan? As British were leaving, all the Treaties they had made with their Puppet Afghan King had no legal status so actually not only FATA but also NWFP was a part of Afghanistan. Why had Pakistan usurped Afghanistan, where more than half of Afghans lived? Why Pakistan became an Occupier like the British were?
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       They are Good practicing Muslims and not Ismailis as misunderstood by Mr. Turk.
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      TURKMAN: I had not said, all of them were Ismailis and you can not change that by your false propaganda here.
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       Quaide Azam also allowed them to enjoy their internal autonmomy. Hence there is no question of any invasion orders by Quaide Azam as misunderstood by Mr. Turk.
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      TURKMAN: Oh sure, sure arresting of all heads of States of FATA, their Army and making Pak Army to run those states was 'giving them autonomy'. Who the hell are you trying to fool here? If this is what you call autonomy can I tell USA to arrest whole Pak Army and the President and let US Army rule Pakistan like Pakistan has been ruling FATA since 1948?
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      The only Ismaili state in Pakistan is HUNZA in the the north which continues to function under Mir Of Hunza and has not been invaded or merged.
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      TURKMAN: Then, why the original Mir of Haunza died in custody of Pakistan? If you think, its all appropriate, can I tell USA to appoint some grandson of Mr. Jinnah after making US Army start ruling Pakistan?
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       Bhawalpur state merged into Pakistan of its free will. The Partition formula itself allowed the princely states in the respective countries to merge themselves taking into consideration the population beliefs.
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      TURKMAN: There was not such clause in Partition Formula so, you are lying. India and Pakistan both usurped states right and left. Son of owner of Bahawalpur state Brigadier Abbasi was told it was better to join Pakistan before its invaded and a lot of his Subjects are slaughtered. This is how, the most well run, the richest state of Bahawalpur was looted. Bahawalpur was the only state of India that had Free Education and Social Welfare system like in U.K.
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       After partition of India and creation of two states, the post of Viceroy was abolished and two Governor General posts were created and hence the question of Quaide Azam working under the Viceroy does not arise as misunderstood by Turkman.
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      TURKMAN: Not really. Otherwise, Viceroy would have no authority to order Mr. Jinnah to stop invasion of Kashmir. Pakistan and India were declared a Protectorate of Great Britain, not Independent Republics. Great Britain gave permission to India to become a Republic in 1951 and Pakistan on 23rd, March, 1953 and this is why you are still celebrating Republic Day on every 23rd of March. On that date, for the first time Pak Governor General could call himself, President. Stop spreading your dis-information of Pak History, now ...! You wrote there were 2 Governor Generals created and this is a lie. Could you tell us name of India's Governor General if that was the case? How come no Governor General ever existed in India?
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       Quade Azam wanted to promote Urdu language with sincerety as it is a highly developed language and was an official language in Hyderabad Deccan.
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      TURKMAN: English and Persian are also 'highly developed languages'. How come he did not want to 'promote' those? Oh, they were Foreign Languages but then was not Urdu a Foreign Language to 95% of Population of Pakistan that Mr. Jinnah had gotten from the British because it was not their Mother Tongue? Was not language of 70% of Pakistani of 14th August, 1947 Pakistan that Mr. Jinnah had legally gotten from the British was Bengali?
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       The Bengali did not like Urdu as they had their own language.
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      TURKMAN: So, you mean Sindhis and Punjabis did not have 'their own language' or their language was Urdu. Who are you fooling here?
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      So the protest was justified. It is correct to say that with the creation of Pakistan the left over Muslims of India who had participated in the freedom struggle for Pakistan, were left at the mercy of the Hindus. The doors of Pakistan are closed for them. Muslim visitors from India are always under police surveilance and harrasment to get bribes. The Muslim League had no concrete plan for the future of the left over large Indian Muslim population and their discrimination in India. That is why a large number of Muslim leaders and Ulemas also opposed the division of India. As for the domination of Punjab this is a fact. The Bengalis were not allowed big posts in the army, Navy and Airforce and as such there was never any C.in C. of Army, Air Marshal or Admiral what to speak of even the GOC of then East Pakistan was never a Bengali. The Baluchis are also indulging in secessionist tendencies because they think they are being colonised in the name of Islam. Moreover there can not be any ethnic Baluchi Admiral, Air Marshal or CinC of Army. The bureucracy, police, political set up etc. are also dominated by Punjab. Hence the anti Pakistani feelings continue among the ethnic Baluchis and also to a great extent among ethnic Sindhis. The solution lies in creation of more provinces on linguistic and cultural lines with full internal autonomy and fixation of quota in all federal services including armed forces to promote unity and brotherhood and end discrimination of all sort which is anti Islamic.       
       
      Syed Sadruddin Hussain,
      sydsadr@...
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      TURKMAN: I agree but why should crazy my Punjabi brother Wolves listen to you, when they have already developed Atomic Bomb to deter India from freeing 56% of Non Punjabi Pakistanis even if they revolt like East Pakistanis? Why should not they be slaughtered every time any of them rises against mighty Punjab? The Only Purpose of building the Bomb was just that otherwise, if India had wanted to usurp Pakistan, she would have made East Pakistan a part of India after 1971 surrender of Pak Army there and or would have ended the Rogue State of Pakistan right after she had built its Atom Bomb in 1974. Pakistanis have been kept united under threat of becoming 'Slaves of India' but Non Punjabi Pakistanis can clearly see, former East Pakistan is not a Slave of India. She is an independent country and has a lot less Law and Order problems than Pakistan. Tens of thousands of them are not being killed in bombings like they are being killed in Pakistan.


      From: tariqkhanteekay@...
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      Subject: RE: Mr. Jinnah was not a Philanthropist or smart?
      Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:07:34 -0400

       
         Asif  Ali Zardari  the  President  of  the  Islamic  Republic  Of  Pakistan  founded  by  Qaid e Azam  Muhammad  Ali  Jinnah  has   said  that  Jinnah  was  also  not  a   Graduate,  so  why  Jamshed  Dasti  cannot  be  elected?  Dasti  will  be  elected  by  the  people  of  his  costituency.
       
         If  known  to  any  one,  what  were  the  educational  qualifications  of  Mr. M.A.Jinnah?  Those  days  Birtishers  has  allowed  to  indians  that  after  Matric  they  may  go  to  UK  and obtain  a smaller  status  Law  Certificate   and  will  be  called  as  Barrister.
       
          Also  we  should  dig  out  personal  charectors   and  educational   back ground   of  Liaqat  Ali  Khan,  Abdul  Rab  Nishter, Ghaffar  Khan,  Khaja  Nazim  Uddin  etc   from  independent  sources   to  understand  their  respective  merit....Tariq Khan.



      Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:38:52 -0700
      From: turkman@...
      Subject: Mr. Jinnah was not a Philanthropist or smart?
      To: tariqkhanteekay@...
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      To the best of my knowledge the Bungalow at Clifton, Karachi, Mohatta Palace was not allotted to Mr. Jinnah. He had exchanged his property in Delhi for that. Flag Staff House was allotted to either him or Ms. Fatimah Jinnah.
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      I think, Mr. Jinnah betrayed half of his followers, his own Ethnic People and an old Client besides other wrongs. Learn by reading the following:
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      1. Married a Non Moslim in violation of Islamic Shriya Law.
      2. Back-stabbed his former client Khan of Qalat (the ruler of Baluchistan) by ordering invasion of his independent state.
      3. He betrayed his own Ethnic Ismaili Moslims by ending freedom of Ismaili independent states of what is now called (occupied) territory of FATA and those of his own people are still virtual Slaves of almost all Punjabi Pakistan Army there.
      4. He ordered invasion of what is now called FATA.
      5. He had ordered usurpation of tiny little independent states in Punjab.
      6. He had abandoned more than half of his Urdu Speaking followers in what is now India (by letting their majority areas become a part of India), who had made Moslim League win Elections in a 100 to 300 mile belt spreading from East Punjab to Bengal.
      7. As a Governor General under Viceroy of India, he had refused to give any friendly gestures to USSR, who's Charity of Aid was the 1st to arrive in Pakistan, though his was a Socialist, who had implemented certain reform that was prevalent only in Communist Countries.
      8. He had foolishly declared Urdu as national language of Pakistan, when 70% of 'August 14, 1947 population of Pakistan' spoke Bengali. ... The Pakistan he had agreed to get from the Viceroy consisted of only Sindh, Moslim majority West Punjab (minus state of Bahawalpur, the region southeast of Multan, bordering India, now called 'Saraikistan' by the locals) and what is now Bangladesh, where 97% of people spoke Bengali.
      9. By dividing Moslims of the Sub Continent in to Pakistanis and Indians, he had ended 900 year old Moslim Rule of the Sub Continent by dividing Moslims, when they were already accepted as Coalition Partners of Congress Government of India in 1945 because they were 1/3rd of the population of undivided India. ... May be God had wanted to free Hindus completely from 900 year long Moslim Rule of India.
      10. Moslim League would have been part of every Coalition 'Government of India' even if her legal status of 'Coalition Partner' was later revoked because none of Hindu-dominated Political Parties were going to have a majority later because of Moslim League's strong presence in un-divided India but Mr. Jinnah was not far-sighted enough to think that far ahead. 
      11. He had refused to listen to Moslim Thinkers, who had told him that having a Pakistan with most of her land (Punjab) located in a lot less educated part of 'Cantonment India' of British Indian Empire would not be a good idea.
       
      Apart from # 9 above, Mr. Jinnah was told that there are 2 parts of British Indian Empire. Below 30 degrees parallel was 'Civilized India' that was a lot more educated and easy to rule. North of that was 'Cantonment India', where people were not that educated and civilized. Those people were always ruled by British 'dunDaa' or heavy-handed rule because nothing else worked there. He was told, that area was used by the British to recruit almost whole Indian British Army that had loyally fought war against our revolt in 1857 and then later WW I and WW II for the British. He was informed that Military could take over that kind of Pakistan and Pakistan would not remain, what he wishes but he had refused to listen to those Moslim Theoreticians. Look at Pakistan of today ...!
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      Those Theoreticians have proven right and he has been proven wrong because Pakistan is a failed state now. 70% of her Birth Population had revolted against Pakistan 24 years later and calls itself Bangaladeshis now. 56% of present Pakistan's Non Punjabi population of Pakistan is tired of being run by Punjabis (44% population of present Pakistan according to Pak Census Bureau), who were never in favor of formation of Pakistan to start with. (In 1944, Punjab Assembly had passed Resolution against Pakistan Movement and had told the Viceroy Mr. Jinnah is not their Representative).
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      Mr. Jinnah's 2nd wife was a Parsi (Zoroastrian), Khan of Qalat that he betrayed was his old client from the days, when was a Lawyer in Bombay and rulers of independent states in what is FATA now, used to be his Fans but all of them had to die in jails or House Arrest in Pakistan later. Descendants of his best Followers or his Pakistan Movement Soldiers ended up getting slaughtered by Mr. Jinnah's Pakistan in huge numbers. Present Pakistan is an upside-down country or shall we call her a "Comedy or Errors"? 
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      S U Turkman


      From: Ashfaq ahmed <ashfaq_37@...>

      Quaid-e-Azam was a great leader of this Sub- Continent.you should be careful while passing such negative remarks.One should not be miser in acknowledging his great services for the Muslims.He was honest to such extent that he used to exercise utmost care for expenditure on his personal life.Was this act of transfer of property to Aligarh University not sufficient to negate your remarks about his greatness? Please have a heart to acknowledge his love for Muslims that too for Indian muslims.
      Regards
      ASHFAQ AHMED   

      From: tariqkhanteekay@...

       
        Barrister  M.A.Jinnah  was  not  a  Philanthropist.    Immediately    after  assuming  power in  Pakistan  he  got  allotted  the  prime  properties  of  Karachi  known  as  Mohatta  Palace [Clifton]  and  Flag  Staff  House  [opposite  Hotel  Metropole]  plus  hundreds  of  acres  of  land  in  Mali.
       
        Details  are  required  of  the  Will,  you  have  mentioned.  He was  a  miser  man   and  use  to  check  the  grocery  prices  every day   himself.  There  are  many   printed   stories  of  his  miser   nature.  One  story   says  while  he  was  in  the sick  bed  in  Ziarat  his  Doctor  purchased  a  pair of  woollen   socks.  He  asked  the  price.  Answer  was  Rs. Two.  He  got  angry  and  said it  is  too  expensive  and  ordered   that  the  socks  be  returned.    More  money  was  spent  to  return  the  socks  purchased  in  Quetta....tariq khan.
       

      From: sydsadr@...

       
      The aims and objects of Aghaz Foundation deserve consideration by our philonthrophists. The Quaide Azam left a will for transfer of crores of rupees to Aligarh University out of his estate. But some vested interest prevented it from going to Aligarh University and they illegally obtained some court confirmation to start a Quaide Azam Scholarship Fund for Pakistani students. This fund continues to be misused and the Aligarh university should consider to file a case in an international court or make a representation to our government to honour the Quaide's will. This huge funds can also be utilised for Aghaz Foundatiobns and other deserving organisation for the benefit and uplift of Indian Muslims.
       Syed Sadruddin Hussain

      From: tariqkhanteekay@...

         Glad  to  learn  about  Aaghaz  Foundation.  Request   please  contact  Ahamed  Saeed  Malihabadi,  Member  Lok Sabha, Dhali,  Tel. 98 681 816 89  and  Professor   Dr. Khan  Atif  of  Lucknow  University, Cell 933 595 3133.  You  may  give  my  reference.  I  would  appreciate   a  kind  of  feed  back.
       
          I  would  like  to  have  further  details  and  references  about  the  Foundation.  Awaiting  the  details. Regards....Tariq  Kha/ Toronto.
       

      Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:42:51 +0400
      Subject: Invite for June 27 meeting
      From: aaghaz.foundation@...


      We take this opportunity to invite you to an important meeting in Lucknow on Sunday, June 27, to discuss a very important educational project. If you happen to be in Lucknow, please do come over. Your participation is of critical importance to us.
       
      WHERE: Hotel Ellora, Opposite Bhopal House, Hazratganj Lucknow
      WHEN:   Sunday, June 27, 4pm onwards
      If you have any queries, don't hesitate to mail back or call us at any of the following numbers
      Tel: 98391 91045, 94150 16831, 9415016152, 94157 87009, 93359 84936 and 97150 2428107 in the UAE
       
      AGENDA: In association with the Aligarh Forum, Aaghaz is all set to launch a state-of-the-art Guidance-Counselling Coaching Centre in Lucknow for minority students who want to compete in professional exams.
      Our partner in this endeavor is IMEFNA* (Indian Muslim Education Foundation of North America), which has financed 50 per cent of the cost of the project. The other half has been raised through contributions made by individuals.
       
      We are shortlisting people who could be part of this huge initiative in various capacities. If you want to be a part of it, please join us. Your involvement/ feedback/suggestion is critical for the success of this programme
       
       
      ROUGH SKETCH OF THE CENTRE:
      1.LOCATION: Centrally-located place in Lucknow on rent, not exceeding Rs 10,000 per month:
      2. EQUIPMENT: The centre will have 10 computers, photo-copier, fax machine and an air conditioner
      3. BOOKS: It will stack 1,000 text books/ competitions/ guides/manuals/news/magazines/journals/current issues etc.
      4. STAFF: We need at least 5 experienced teachers (Salary Rs 15,000-Rs 20,000 pm) to coach at least 50-60 highly-competent students, who will be selected through a test. A Governing/Supervisory Body comprising of educators/ administrators, civil servants, doctors, engineers etc will supervise the functioning of the Centre along with Aaghaz.
      If you want to be part of this Governing Body (unpaid) please let us know. Suggestions are also invited for qualified, sincere and experienced teachers. They may not necessarily be Muslims.
       
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    • S Turkman
      Mr. Shamsud doulah, I don t think, new generation knows much about our History. Nobody wants to read. They want to watch TV and play video games. Another big
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        Mr. Shamsud doulah,
        I don't think, new generation knows much about our History. Nobody wants to read. They want to watch TV and play video games. Another big problem is end of Teaching English Language in Schools of Bangladesh. There is a lot of stuff available on Google but its in English. May I suggest to go to following sites and learn the Basic Info first?

        * To learn, how it all started in Calcutta (INC) Indian National Congress ... Britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/285841/Indian-Nation
        * To learn, who was Subhash Chadre Bose ... infoplease.com/Ce6/history/A0825112.htiml
        * a lot of other info can be found on Wikipedia on start of Muslim League also.
        .
        Then, when you have questions, ask this old man for clarifications. It would be a lot easier. Some stuff I can tell that is not mentioned in these Blogs.
        .
        None of them mention that ...
        .
        * ...  Bengalis were the most educated and Politically Awake people in India in late 1800's though they admit that INC started in Calcutta and Muslim League in Dhaka.
        * ... In 1885, after INC (Congress Party) had started, but it was not that old, when Sir Nawab Khwaja Salimullah of Dkhaka had proposed a separate Moslim Federation of States though Muslim League was finally formed in 1906.
        * ... Nobody mentions that INC and League, both were basically Bengali Political Parties, while rest of people of Sub Continent had accepted British Raj as their Fate and had not wanted to wake up.
        * ... People of Bangladesh do not even know, Sobhash Chandre Bose, who was General Secretary and then twice elected President of INC (Congress) was from their country.
        * ... Nobody knows, Gandhi and Nehru were very solemnly defeated by Mr. Bose.
        .
        All they write is, Mr. Bose had resigned after being elected 2nd time and crushing Gandhi overwhelmingly because of Philosophical Differences. Nobody knows the whole story.
        My father was 14 years younger than Mr. Bose. He was an active Member of INC and actually one of the Insiders. Mr. Bose had told him, "What can I do. Our Movement would die out if I stayed President because Moti Lal Nehru (father of Jawahir Lal Nehru) has stopped all the funding. I can not run INC with so little money that we are getting from other people".
        The reason for dependence on Moti Lal was resurrection of dead Muslim League from its Grave in 1937 because of Nawab Liaqat
        Ali Khan, who had gotten Mr. Jinnah arrive back from London. All Moslim Nawabs amongst them the richest one from Hyderabad Deccan had switched sides and had started funding Muslim League. Only Agha Khan was left in Moslims, who still behind him until his death but he had then switched to Muslim League after his death.
        .
        My Dad AiTesaamuddin  was not poor but compared to Moti Lal Nehru, he was a Pauper. It was the time he had realized, how important was 'Big Money' and he had started using his genius in Business. He had become a Billionaire if we compare worth of money of in now-a-days' standard in next 6 years but Mr. Bose was already dead then.
        My Dad had told me, after Mr. Bose left and Gandhi took over, When Moti Lal Nehru used to go to give money to Gandhi he used to say, "Jawahir kai li-A koochh ho ja-A" (something should (must) be done for Jawahir). This is why other senior leaders of INC were ignored by Gandhi and his son was chosen to be the Front Man of Congress and then later, 1st Prime Minister. (Nawab Liaqat was the 1st Finance Minister in 1946).
        Without help of Gandhi and his Dad's Money, J L Nehru could never win any INC Elections, when Mr. Bose's fiery speeches, intelligence, brilliant Campaign Management and great organizational skills, leadership skills always won him elections without much money of his own. He was really people's leader. Nobody could beat him in popularity.
        Mr. Bose was a real sportsman. He never held any grudge against Nehru or Gandhi and he was the one, who had later coined the title of 'Father of the Nation' or 'Baapoo of India' for his own always badly beaten meek adversary, Gandhi. Nobody could have been more sincere than Mr. Bose in India Freedom Movement. 

        From: A.B.M. Shamsud Doulah <doulah@...>
        To: S Turkman <turkman@...>
        Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 5:56:27 PM



        Mr. Turkman's messages and of others on Historical Facts of Indo-Pakistan contain many stories hitherto unknown.


        We shall really appreciate if more facts are recorded on the Bengalees. Today, everybody understands that Bangladesh emerged due to the dislikes of the then West Pakistanis and the non-Bengalee Urdu speaking mohajirs from India.


        It is a matter of history. Please let us know more on the subject of Bengal Politics, including the Politics of the Bengalee Muslims; Bengalee Hindus; British Patronage of the Bengalee Hindus; British Patronage of the non-Bengalee Hindus (for example the Marwaris) in Bengal; British policy towards the Bengalee Hindus as well as towards the Bengalee and non-Bengalee Muslims of Bengal etc.


        The detailed study, report, and analysis will help in the better understanding of the Bengalees and the non-Bengalees in South Asia. The Bengalees are the biggest population in the area. Today or tomorrow, they will undergo changes. We all feel that we all in the area should live with better understanding of all.


        We live and pass away. But our forthcoming generations will continue and in them we shall continue.


        A.B.M. Shamsud Doulah
        Advocate, Supreme Court
        Dhaka
        shamsuddoulah@...


        ___________________________________




        --- In MuktoChinta@yahoogroups.com, S Turkman <turkman@...> wrote:
        >
        >  Your accusation against the British is wrong because till last moments British, 2 million British who had never seen England, some of them 10th Generation of British born in the Sub Continent, who considered the Sub Continent their own Homeland and the Anglo Indians had not wanted to divide India. Proof?
        > In his Auto Biography (written decades later), Lord Mount Baton writes, ...
        > .
        > "We could break everybody but not Jinnah. Had we known, he had Tuberculosis and had 2 more years to live, we would have waited. We were in no hurry to leave".
        > He also was very sad that so many lives were lost during Partition of India. He thought Great Britain was responsible for their Deaths because not enough Army was available to save them all.
        > .
        > Plight of British in Pakistan and India:
        > .
        > The British in good jobs in the Sub Continent, the Sub Continent Born British and Anglo Indians had feared that if the Sub Continent did not remain a mixture of all Ethnic Groups and was divided on ground of Moslims and Hindus, they would lose their jobs, mistreated or even killed on regular basis. This is why all of them had started fleeing to England after Partition and now no British of those days are left. Anglo Indian population has also drastically decreased especially in Pakistan. In those days, there used to be no Visa requirement for England and whoever had enough money to buy a plane or Ship Ticket, could leave. They were right and after Partition ordinary Army Soldiers in Pakistan had started beating up their British Majors. Ordinary Constable was beating up Superintendent Police. Peon was insulting British Director of his Department. When complained, they were laughed at and told by their Moslim Officers, "This is not your country. We are not
        >  your Slaves anymore. Why don't you go back ...?" ... Now grandchildren of the same Indian and Pakistani people shout if you tell them the same and say, "No I was born in U.K. I am a British Citizen". They don't remember those British in Pakistan and India were also not only Birth Citizens, they were up to 10th Generation of Indian Sub Continent Born Citizens in some cases and some towns or Historical Monuments still were on names of their ancestors. ... According to Queen Elizabeth,. "4 million Britons were born in Sub Continent India (in more than 4 centuries)".
        > .
        > FACTS  ABOUT  DIVISION  BENGAL  AND  PUNJAB:
        > .
        > 1. Bengal was divided because Hindus, who were a minority in Bengal, had complained of prejudice by Moslim Majority. Moslim League Chief Minister of Bengal (the most populous state of British India) Mr.SohorwarDi had broken up with Mr. Jinnah on accepting a Pakistan that was going to leave half of his followers in India. At the last minute he had tried to unite Bengal and demanded two Independent Pakistans but the British had refused to listen to him.
        > .
        > 2. Congress Party Ally, the Unionist Party was in power in United Punjab and Moslim League had never won more than 2 Assembly Seats in that Punjab but Mr. Jinnah had said, "If Hindu India was getting all the Hindu Majority Provinces, Pakistan should get all Moslim Majority Provinces" so, the Viceroy had agreed to give Punjab to Pakistan despite that Punjab Assembly had earlier passed following Resolutions:
        > .
        > a) Its not fair that Viceroy has accepted Mr. Jinnah and Moslim League as Representative of all Moslims of the British India.
        > b) We do not want to be represented by Moslim League and Mr. Jinnah.
        > c) Moslim League has never won more than 2 seats in Punjab Assembly so, Punjabis have already rejected it in practice.
        > d) We do not want to be a part of Pakistan. it does not want to be but then came Congress and objected on that.
        > .
        > When appeals of Congress had failed, Congress said, "Then, at least Punjab should be divided just like Bengal to save lives of Hindus and Sikhs, who are in majority in East of River Beyas (the River east of Ravi, which has gone dry now)". Viceroy had agreed and Mr. Jinnah ended up agreeing on it otherwise, he was told there would be no Pakistan.
        > .
        > 3. Khaksar Movement had nothing to do with any British Conspiracy Theory and Moslim League but it was not an Ally of Congress Party either. It had lost all its little popularity that it had, when a 'would be Assassin' of Mr. Jinnah was found linked to it though the party had denied, it had told him to assassinate Mr. Jinnah. The Leader of this movement, 'Ullaama Mashriqi'  was the smartest student ever in Great Britain's history because he had gotten 4 Ph. Ds in just 4 months. He was a good Mathematician and may be an Astrologer or Psychic also. He had predicted Pakistan could not last until 1972. Now its a part of history that in 1971, 56% of Pakistanis were no more Pakistanis. They became Bangladeshis. More details about Ullaama Mashriqi can be obtained by searching on Google.
        >
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        >  From: tariqkhanteekay@...
        >
        >    Thanks.  Very  appreciative  that  there  is  being  promoted  a  knowledgeable  discussion  about  the  events  followed  the  illigimate, uncalled for, unlaw ful  partition  of  the  provinces of  Punjab  and  Bengal  by  the  Britishers  under  a  cunning    plan  to  divide  the  ruling  muslims  of  India  into  three  separate  states.
        >
        >    May  I  request  more  minds  may  express  their    valued  comments  so  as  we  get  a  better  picture  of  the  ""THAREEK  e  PAKISTAN''  and  the  Leaders  of this  Thareek.  We  should  also  explore  the  role  of  KHAKSAR  TAHREEK  and  why  it  was  dispersed  to  promote  the  agenda  of  Muslim  League?  ....tariq khan.
        >
        > ________________________________
        >  Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 16:04:53 -0700
        > From: turkman@...
        >
        >
        > My comments are inserted below.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        >  From: Syed Sadruddin Hussain <sydsadr@...>
        >
        >
        > CREATION OF PAKISTAN AND QUAIDE AZAM;
        >
        > Mr. Turkman: Let me remove some of your misunderstanding. Quaide Azam married the Parsi Lady, Ruti after converting her to Islam and she lies buried in a Muslim graveyard in Bombay.
        > .
        > TURKMAN: Not really. He had either abducted her or she a, 16 years old girl had ran-away to him. Kidnapping Case was filed against about 20 years older Jinnah in a Bombay but it was thrown out because she had claimed she was not kidnapped. He had a Civil Marriage to avoid charges of having sex with a Minor. Years later, he had thrown a party to make Mollaas happy by announcing she had converted to Islam. SHRIYAH LAW does not permit a marriage first and conversion later, sorry.
        > ------------------
        >  His only daughter later became a Parsi and stayed back in Bombay in the ancestral house of grand parents besides Quaide Azam 's own house. Quade Azam and his sister were allotted the Flaq Staff House and Mohatta Palace in lieu of their left over big houses in Bombay and Delhi seized by the Indian government as evacuee property.
        > .
        > TURKMAN: His wife had never converted in reality so after her death, her daughter had remained Parsi and she was raised by her mother's family. No Properties of Mr. Jinnah were ever seized by India. He had exchanged his Delhi Property with Mohatta Palace in Karachi but not his bigger Property, a huge Mansion in Bombay because he had wanted to live in it after he retired. That Mansion was given to Pakistan and Pak High Commission used to be in it. When, Pak India diplomatic relations had ended it was empty and when it was about to be nationalized, Mr. Jinnah's daughter had claimed it. I do not know, if she won that case or not.
        > -------------------
        > You are wrong to say that Quaide Azam ordered invasion of Kalat State. Actually this was done by Ayub Khan and Khan of Kalat was arrested due to his move for independence.
        > .
        > TURKMAN:  ... Oh, I had no idea, Mr. Jinnah was already dead in 1948 and General Ayub was running Pakistan already. Please correct the history books, which say Ayub came in power on 27th October, 1958 ...! ... I think, you are confusing Qalat with Pakistan's invasion of Gwadur area, which used be a part of Oman and Ayub had ordered its take over. Was not Qalat independent even before Pakistan's formation? What authority Pakistan had to arrest owner of a neighboring Independent State that Pakistan had never gotten from British?
        > ----------------
        > The Quade Azam allowed the British set up of Baluchistan States Union to function consisting of princely states of Kalat, Lasbela, Kharan, Mekran and areas of Sirdars in Baluchistan till such time they are absorbed later. This system was abolished when one unit was formed in 1956.
        > .
        > TURKMAN: How come India could not do the same with Pakistan and 'absorb' it? Were not similar 'British Arrangements' in Afghanistan, Eastern Iran, Oman and Yemen also? How come Pakistan did not 'absorb' them too?
        > -----------------------
        >  FATA is actually a big tribal belt of Pushtoon people adjoining Afghanistan and formerly belonged to Afghanistan but later divided by the Durand Line and the Britishers had given them internal autonomy to manage their own affairs with a British Agent to overlook them.
        > .
        > TURKMAN: But when had British given them to Pakistan? As British were leaving, all the Treaties they had made with their Puppet Afghan King had no legal status so actually not only FATA but also NWFP was a part of Afghanistan. Why had Pakistan usurped Afghanistan, where more than half of Afghans lived? Why Pakistan became an Occupier like the British were?
        > ------------------------
        >  They are Good practicing Muslims and not Ismailis as misunderstood by Mr. Turk.
        > .
        > TURKMAN: I had not said, all of them were Ismailis and you can not change that by your false propaganda here.
        > -------------------------
        >  Quaide Azam also allowed them to enjoy their internal autonmomy. Hence there is no question of any invasion orders by Quaide Azam as misunderstood by Mr. Turk.
        > .
        > TURKMAN: Oh sure, sure arresting of all heads of States of FATA, their Army and making Pak Army to run those states was 'giving them autonomy'. Who the hell are you trying to fool here? If this is what you call autonomy can I tell USA to arrest whole Pak Army and the President and let US Army rule Pakistan like Pakistan has been ruling FATA since 1948?
        > ----------------------------
        > The only Ismaili state in Pakistan is HUNZA in the the north which continues to function under Mir Of Hunza and has not been invaded or merged.
        > .
        > TURKMAN: Then, why the original Mir of Haunza died in custody of Pakistan? If you think, its all appropriate, can I tell USA to appoint some grandson of Mr. Jinnah after making US Army start ruling Pakistan?
        > ------------------------
        >  Bhawalpur state merged into Pakistan of its free will. The Partition formula itself allowed the princely states in the respective countries to merge themselves taking into consideration the population beliefs.
        > .
        > TURKMAN: There was not such clause in Partition Formula so, you are lying. India and Pakistan both usurped states right and left. Son of owner of Bahawalpur state Brigadier Abbasi was told it was better to join Pakistan before its invaded and a lot of his Subjects are slaughtered. This is how, the most well run, the richest state of Bahawalpur was looted. Bahawalpur was the only state of India that had Free Education and Social Welfare system like in U.K.
        > --------------------
        >  After partition of India and creation of two states, the post of Viceroy was abolished and two Governor General posts were created and hence the question of Quaide Azam working under the Viceroy does not arise as misunderstood by Turkman.
        > .
        > TURKMAN: Not really. Otherwise, Viceroy would have no authority to order Mr. Jinnah to stop invasion of Kashmir. Pakistan and India were declared a Protectorate of Great Britain, not Independent Republics. Great Britain gave permission to India to become a Republic in 1951 and Pakistan on 23rd, March, 1953 and this is why you are still celebrating Republic Day on every 23rd of March. On that date, for the first time Pak Governor General could call himself, President. Stop spreading your dis-information of Pak History, now ...! You wrote there were 2 Governor Generals created and this is a lie. Could you tell us name of India's Governor General if that was the case? How come no Governor General ever existed in India?
        > ------------------
        >  Quade Azam wanted to promote Urdu language with sincerety as it is a highly developed language and was an official language in Hyderabad Deccan.
        > .
        > TURKMAN: English and Persian are also 'highly developed languages'. How come he did not want to 'promote' those? Oh, they were Foreign Languages but then was not Urdu a Foreign Language to 95% of Population of Pakistan that Mr. Jinnah had gotten from the British because it was not their Mother Tongue? Was not language of 70% of Pakistani of 14th August, 1947 Pakistan that Mr. Jinnah had legally gotten from the British was Bengali?
        > -----------------------
        >  The Bengali did not like Urdu as they had their own language.
        > .
        > TURKMAN: So, you mean Sindhis and Punjabis did not have 'their own language' or their language was Urdu. Who are you fooling here?
        > ---------------------------
        > So the protest was justified. It is correct to say that with the creation of Pakistan the left over Muslims of India who had participated in the freedom struggle for Pakistan, were left at the mercy of the Hindus. The doors of Pakistan are closed for them. Muslim visitors from India are always under police surveilance and harrasment to get bribes. The Muslim League had no concrete plan for the future of the left over large Indian Muslim population and their discrimination in India. That is why a large number of Muslim leaders and Ulemas also opposed the division of India. As for the domination of Punjab this is a fact. The Bengalis were not allowed big posts in the army, Navy and Airforce and as such there was never any C.in C. of Army, Air Marshal or Admiral what to speak of even the GOC of then East Pakistan was never a Bengali. The Baluchis are also indulging in secessionist tendencies because they think they are being colonised in the name of Islam.
        >  Moreover there can not be any ethnic Baluchi Admiral, Air Marshal or CinC of Army. The bureucracy, police, political set up etc. are also dominated by Punjab. Hence the anti Pakistani feelings continue among the ethnic Baluchis and also to a great extent among ethnic Sindhis. The solution lies in creation of more provinces on linguistic and cultural lines with full internal autonomy and fixation of quota in all federal services including armed forces to promote unity and brotherhood and end discrimination of all sort which is anti Islamic.
        >
        > Syed Sadruddin Hussain,
        > sydsadr@...
        > .
        > TURKMAN: I agree but why should crazy my Punjabi brother Wolves listen to you, when they have already developed Atomic Bomb to deter India from freeing 56% of Non Punjabi Pakistanis even if they revolt like East Pakistanis? Why should not they be slaughtered every time any of them rises against mighty Punjab? The Only Purpose of building the Bomb was just that otherwise, if India had wanted to usurp Pakistan, she would have made East Pakistan a part of India after 1971 surrender of Pak Army there and or would have ended the Rogue State of Pakistan right after she had built its Atom Bomb in 1974. Pakistanis have been kept united under threat of becoming 'Slaves of India' but Non Punjabi Pakistanis can clearly see, former East Pakistan is not a Slave of India. She is an independent country and has a lot less Law and Order problems than Pakistan. Tens of thousands of them are not being killed in bombings like they are being killed in Pakistan.
        > ________________________________
        >
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        > Subject: RE: Mr. Jinnah was not a Philanthropist or smart?
        > Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:07:34 -0400
        >
        >
        >    Asif  Ali Zardari  the  President  of  the  Islamic  Republic  Of  Pakistan  founded  by  Qaid e Azam  Muhammad  Ali  Jinnah  has  said  that  Jinnah  was  also  not  a  Graduate,  so  why  Jamshed  Dasti  cannot  be  elected?  Dasti  will  be  elected  by  the  people  of  his  costituency.
        >
        >    If  known  to  any  one,  what  were  the  educational  qualifications  of  Mr. M.A.Jinnah?  Those  days  Birtishers  has  allowed  to  indians  that  after  Matric  they  may  go  to  UK  and obtain  a smaller  status  Law  Certificate  and  will  be  called  as  Barrister.
        >
        >    Also  we  should  dig  out  personal  charectors  and  educational  back ground  of  Liaqat  Ali  Khan,  Abdul  Rab  Nishter, Ghaffar  Khan,  Khaja  Nazim  Uddin  etc  from  independent  sources  to  understand  their  respective  merit....Tariq Khan.
        >
        > ________________________________
        >
        > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:38:52 -0700
        > From: turkman@...
        >
        >
        > To the best of my knowledge the Bungalow at Clifton, Karachi, Mohatta Palace was not allotted to Mr. Jinnah. He had exchanged his property in Delhi for that. Flag Staff House was allotted to either him or Ms. Fatimah Jinnah.
        > .
        > I think, Mr. Jinnah betrayed half of his followers, his own Ethnic People and an old Client besides other wrongs. Learn by reading the following:
        > .
        > 1. Married a Non Moslim in violation of Islamic Shriya Law.
        > 2. Back-stabbed his former client Khan of Qalat (the ruler of Baluchistan) by ordering invasion of his independent state.
        > 3. He betrayed his own Ethnic Ismaili Moslims by ending freedom of Ismaili independent states of what is now called (occupied) territory of FATA and those of his own people are still virtual Slaves of almost all Punjabi Pakistan Army there.
        > 4. He ordered invasion of what is now called FATA.
        > 5. He had ordered usurpation of tiny little independent states in Punjab.
        > 6. He had abandoned more than half of his Urdu Speaking followers in what is now India (by letting their majority areas become a part of India), who had made Moslim League win Elections in a 100 to 300 mile belt spreading from East Punjab to Bengal.
        > 7. As a Governor General under Viceroy of India, he had refused to give any friendly gestures to USSR, who's Charity of Aid was the 1st to arrive in Pakistan, though his was a Socialist, who had implemented certain reform that was prevalent only in Communist Countries.
        > 8. He had foolishly declared Urdu as national language of Pakistan, when 70% of 'August 14, 1947 population of Pakistan' spoke Bengali. ... The Pakistan he had agreed to get from the Viceroy consisted of only Sindh, Moslim majority West Punjab (minus state of Bahawalpur, the region southeast of Multan, bordering India, now called 'Saraikistan' by the locals) and what is now Bangladesh, where 97% of people spoke Bengali.
        > 9. By dividing Moslims of the Sub Continent in to Pakistanis and Indians, he had ended 900 year old Moslim Rule of the Sub Continent by dividing Moslims, when they were already accepted as Coalition Partners of Congress Government of India in 1945 because they were 1/3rd of the population of undivided India. ... May be God had wanted to free Hindus completely from 900 year long Moslim Rule of India.
        > 10. Moslim League would have been part of every Coalition 'Government of India' even if her legal status of 'Coalition Partner' was later revoked because none of Hindu-dominated Political Parties were going to have a majority later because of Moslim League's strong presence in un-divided India but Mr. Jinnah was not far-sighted enough to think that far ahead.
        > 11. He had refused to listen to Moslim Thinkers, who had told him that having a Pakistan with most of her land (Punjab) located in a lot less educated part of 'Cantonment India' of British Indian Empire would not be a good idea.
        >
        > Apart from # 9 above, Mr. Jinnah was told that there are 2 parts of British Indian Empire. Below 30 degrees parallel was 'Civilized India' that was a lot more educated and easy to rule. North of that was 'Cantonment India', where people were not that educated and civilized. Those people were always ruled by British 'dunDaa' or heavy-handed rule because nothing else worked there. He was told, that area was used by the British to recruit almost whole Indian British Army that had loyally fought war against our revolt in 1857 and then later WW I and WW II for the British. He was informed that Military could take over that kind of Pakistan and Pakistan would not remain, what he wishes but he had refused to listen to those Moslim Theoreticians. Look at Pakistan of today ...!
        > .
        > Those Theoreticians have proven right and he has been proven wrong because Pakistan is a failed state now. 70% of her Birth Population had revolted against Pakistan 24 years later and calls itself Bangaladeshis now. 56% of present Pakistan's Non Punjabi population of Pakistan is tired of being run by Punjabis (44% population of present Pakistan according to Pak Census Bureau), who were never in favor of formation of Pakistan to start with. (In 1944, Punjab Assembly had passed Resolution against Pakistan Movement and had told the Viceroy Mr. Jinnah is not their Representative).
        > .
        > Mr. Jinnah's 2nd wife was a Parsi (Zoroastrian), Khan of Qalat that he betrayed was his old client from the days, when was a Lawyer in Bombay and rulers of independent states in what is FATA now, used to be his Fans but all of them had to die in jails or House Arrest in Pakistan later. Descendants of his best Followers or his Pakistan Movement Soldiers ended up getting slaughtered by Mr. Jinnah's Pakistan in huge numbers. Present Pakistan is an upside-down country or shall we call her a "Comedy or Errors"?
        > .
        > S U Turkman
        >
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        >
        > ________________________________
        >  From: Ashfaq ahmed <ashfaq_37@...>
        >
        >  Quaid-e-Azam was a great leader of this Sub- Continent.you should be careful while passing such negative remarks.One should not be miser in acknowledging his great services for the Muslims.He was honest to such extent that he used to exercise utmost care for expenditure on his personal life.Was this act of transfer of property to Aligarh University not sufficient to negate your remarks about his greatness? Please have a heart to acknowledge his love for Muslims that too for Indian muslims.
        > Regards
        > ASHFAQ AHMED
        > ________________________________
        >  From: tariqkhanteekay@...
        >
        >
        >  Barrister  M.A.Jinnah  was  not  a  Philanthropist.    Immediately    after  assuming  power in  Pakistan  he  got  allotted  the  prime  properties  of  Karachi  known  as  Mohatta  Palace [Clifton]  and  Flag  Staff  House  [opposite  Hotel  Metropole]  plus  hundreds  of  acres  of  land  in  Mali.
        >
        >  Details  are  required  of  the  Will,  you  have  mentioned.  He was  a  miser  man  and  use  to  check  the  grocery  prices  every day  himself.  There  are  many  printed  stories  of  his  miser  nature.  One  story  says  while  he  was  in  the sick  bed  in  Ziarat  his  Doctor  purchased  a  pair of  woollen  socks.  He  asked  the  price.  Answer  was  Rs. Two.  He  got  angry  and  said it  is  too  expensive  and  ordered  that  the  socks  be  returned.    More  money  was  spent  to  return  the  socks  purchased  in  Quetta....tariq khan.
        >
        > ________________________________
        >  From: sydsadr@...
        >
        >
        > The aims and objects of Aghaz Foundation deserve consideration by our philonthrophists. The Quaide Azam left a will for transfer of crores of rupees to Aligarh University out of his estate. But some vested interest prevented it from going to Aligarh University and they illegally obtained some court confirmation to start a Quaide Azam Scholarship Fund for Pakistani students. This fund continues to be misused and the Aligarh university should consider to file a case in an international court or make a representation to our government to honour the Quaide's will. This huge funds can also be utilised for Aghaz Foundatiobns and other deserving organisation for the benefit and uplift of Indian Muslims.
        >  Syed Sadruddin Hussain
        > ________________________________
        >  From: tariqkhanteekay@...
        >
        >    Glad  to  learn  about  Aaghaz  Foundation.  Request  please  contact  Ahamed  Saeed  Malihabadi,  Member  Lok Sabha, Dhali,  Tel. 98 681 816 89  and  Professor  Dr. Khan  Atif  of  Lucknow  University, Cell 933 595 3133.  You  may  give  my  reference.  I  would  appreciate  a  kind  of  feed  back.
        >
        >    I  would  like  to  have  further  details  and  references  about  the  Foundation.  Awaiting  the  details. Regards....Tariq  Kha/ Toronto.
        >
        > ________________________________
        >  Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:42:51 +0400
        > Subject: Invite for June 27 meeting
        > From: aaghaz.foundation@...
        >
        >
        >
        > We take this opportunity to invite you to an important meeting in Lucknow on Sunday, June 27, to discuss a very important educational project. If you happen to be in Lucknow, please do come over. Your participation is of critical importance to us.
        >
        > WHERE: Hotel Ellora, Opposite Bhopal House, Hazratganj Lucknow
        > WHEN:  Sunday, June 27, 4pm onwards
        > If you have any queries, don't hesitate to mail back or call us at any of the following numbers
        > Tel: 98391 91045, 94150 16831, 9415016152, 94157 87009, 93359 84936 and 97150 2428107 in the UAE
        >
        > AGENDA: In association with the Aligarh Forum, Aaghaz is all set to launch a state-of-the-art Guidance-Counselling Coaching Centre in Lucknow for minority students who want to compete in professional exams.
        > Our partner in this endeavor is IMEFNA* (Indian Muslim Education Foundation of North America), which has financed 50 per cent of the cost of the project. The other half has been raised through contributions made by individuals.
        >
        > We are shortlisting people who could be part of this huge initiative in various capacities. If you want to be a part of it, please join us. Your involvement/ feedback/suggestion is critical for the success of this programme.
        >
        >
        > ROUGH SKETCH OF THE CENTRE:
        > 1.LOCATION: Centrally-located place in Lucknow on rent, not exceeding Rs 10,000 per month:
        > 2. EQUIPMENT: The centre will have 10 computers, photo-copier, fax machine and an air conditioner
        > 3. BOOKS: It will stack 1,000 text books/ competitions/ guides/manuals/news/magazines/journals/current issues etc.
        > 4. STAFF: We need at least 5 experienced teachers (Salary Rs 15,000-Rs 20,000 pm) to coach at least 50-60 highly-competent students, who will be selected through a test. A Governing/Supervisory Body comprising of educators/ administrators, civil servants, doctors, engineers etc will supervise the functioning of the Centre along with Aaghaz.
        > If you want to be part of this Governing Body (unpaid) please let us know. Suggestions are also invited for qualified, sincere and experienced teachers. They may not necessarily be Muslims.
        >
        > 5. DIRECTOR/ADMINISTRATOR
        > We are also looking for a salaried administrator/director, to run the Centre. It goes without saying that the person has to have a managerial/academic background. He may not necessarily be a Muslim. Those interested could mail their resume to aaghaz.foundation@...
        >
        >
        > A WORD ABOUT AAGHAZ: A registered non-profit organisation, Aaghaz Foundation uses education as a tool to bring about socio-economic reforms among underprivileged Muslims. Over the past six years,  Aaghaz has  helped thousands of poor, but  academically-talented students. Unable to afford their school  fees, many of these students would have otherwise been forced to drop out. Alongside its immensely succesful scholarship programme, Aaghaz, in association with the Aligarh Forum, also runs two other successful projects in Lucknow -- Feeder Programme at the Grassroots and a Free Coaching Centre for poor Muslim students in grades IX-XII.
        > If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to mail as at aaghaz.foundation@... or get in touch with our members at the numbers given below
        >
        > for aaghaz foundation: Established 2004
        > Literacy initiative for Indian Muslims
        > Visit www.aaghazfoundation.org to learn more about us and forward this mail to all like-minded people.
        > Email: aaghaz.foundation@...
        > If you have any queries, don't hesitate to mail back or call us at any of the following numbers
        > Tel: 98391 91045, 94150 16831, 9415016152, 94157 87009, 93359 84936 and 97150 2428107 in the UAE
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