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  • Jan
    August Topic of the Month: Have you or your spouse/partner ever run for office and/or held office? ... local, state, national? If so, please let us know what
    Message 1 of 11 , Aug 1, 2007
      August Topic of the Month:

      Have you or your spouse/partner ever run for office and/or held
      office? ... local, state, national?

      If so, please let us know what office(s), and if you would elaborate on
      your experiences during the campaign, after the election and while in
      office (if you or your spouse won the election) that would be great!

      Looking forward to some interesting feedback here!

      Thanks,

      Jan
    • Andrea Rice
      This will be an interesting topic! I just wanted to chime in and say why my husband won t run for office, and doesn t want me to do so right now either. He is
      Message 2 of 11 , Aug 2, 2007
        This will be an interesting topic! I just wanted to chime in and say
        why my husband won't run for office, and doesn't want me to do so right
        now either. He is worried that someone might take action against our
        family, as we do things that could be construed in a bad light, like
        homeschooling and no vaccinating and drinking raw milk-- he worries
        that someone could use the law to harrass us if we put ourselvse in
        such a public position. I'd love to hear any thoughts on this.

        Andrea

        --- In MothersForLiberty@yahoogroups.com, "Jan" <libertyjan@...> wrote:
        >
        > August Topic of the Month:
        >
        > Have you or your spouse/partner ever run for office and/or held
        > office? ... local, state, national?
        >
        > If so, please let us know what office(s), and if you would elaborate
        on
        > your experiences during the campaign, after the election and while in
        > office (if you or your spouse won the election) that would be great!
        >
        > Looking forward to some interesting feedback here!
        >
        > Thanks,
        >
        > Jan
        >
      • Judy Tucker
        Judy Tucker tucker071390@yahoo.com yes I ran for Kansas State Representative in my local district on the Kansas Reform Ticket no I didn t win and I got 4% of
        Message 3 of 11 , Aug 2, 2007
          Judy Tucker tucker071390@...
          yes I ran for Kansas State Representative in my local district on the Kansas Reform Ticket no I didn't win and I got 4% of the vote. I ran for constitutional principles and many people who heard what I said voted for me last year.
          Roger my husband ran on the Reform Ticket for House of Representative against Jim Ryan and Nancy Boyda Dem. He got 2% on the election last year.

          Jan <libertyjan@...> wrote:
          August Topic of the Month:

          Have you or your spouse/partner ever run for office and/or held
          office? ... local, state, national?

          If so, please let us know what office(s), and if you would elaborate on
          your experiences during the campaign, after the election and while in
          office (if you or your spouse won the election) that would be great!

          Looking forward to some interesting feedback here!

          Thanks,

          Jan





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        • Lori Loranger
          ... putting themselves in a public light, and /or messing with the powers that be. On the flip side, by putting yourself in a public light, any resulting
          Message 4 of 11 , Aug 2, 2007
            >From my own experiences, it is true that one can be harassed for
            putting themselves in a public light, and /or messing with the powers
            that be.
            On the flip side, by putting yourself in a public light, any resulting
            harassment is also illuminated as just what it is.
            Are homeschooling, not vaccinating, and drinking raw milk illegal where
            you live? (where I live, all of these can be done legally)
            If so, this may be more trouble than you need to expose yourselves to.
            If not, be public and be loud about all of it.

            I believe fully in civil disobedience. One small act of civil
            disobedience I regularly perform is an act of omission.
            WA homeschool law requires being legally qualified to homeschool, having
            the student assessed annually, and filing an annual "declaration of intent".
            While I have been involved in homeschooling for 23 years, am in a
            position where newcomers ask me about the relevant law, and have
            followed all the other aspects of the homeschool law, I have never filed
            a "declaration of intent" and never will.
            I have been very public and vocal about this, and so far the only
            harassment I've received is from within the homeschool community. My
            point is that sometimes being vocal and upfront about consciously doing
            something illegal can be the best protection against legal harassment.
            But of course there will also be people who believe so strongly the
            other way that they'll be vocal and public against you personally for
            your views.
            -Lori

            Andrea Rice wrote:
            >
            > This will be an interesting topic! I just wanted to chime in and say
            > why my husband won't run for office, and doesn't want me to do so right
            > now either. He is worried that someone might take action against our
            > family, as we do things that could be construed in a bad light, like
            > homeschooling and no vaccinating and drinking raw milk-- he worries
            > that someone could use the law to harrass us if we put ourselvse in
            > such a public position. I'd love to hear any thoughts on this.
            >
            > Andrea
            >
            > -
            >
            >
            >
          • arghhhh4
            Thanks for this discussion, it is timely. I ve been thinking about this as election season looms. I ran for county supervisor in District 5 of Coconino County
            Message 5 of 11 , Aug 3, 2007
              Thanks for this discussion, it is timely. I've been thinking about
              this as
              election season looms.

              I ran for county supervisor in District 5 of Coconino County Az
              (second
              largest county in the U.S.) in 2004. We had just acheived ballot
              status so
              we wanted to have a candidate on the ballot in each district, while
              acknowledging that we were running mostly paper campaigns.



              That is one of my questions- do you think it is valuable to run a
              paper
              campaign? Once? over and over? Does this undermine the credibility
              of
              libertarian candidates? By paper campaign, I mean filing the
              paperwork and
              getting on the ballot, then not actively campaigning. We had a float
              in the
              July 4th parade with a banner advertising our candidates and walked
              the
              parade route handing out Libertarian Viewpoints. We had Michael
              Badnarik
              come through the weekend we had our booth at the county fair, did
              some
              fundraising and radio interviews and ads. We did newspaper and radio
              interviews during campaign season. The value I see in that is being
              able to
              talk about liberarian ideas to a larger audience.

              We were running exclusively against Democrats as the Republicans were
              in
              disarray and did not run any candidates. An article is here (the LP
              link
              doesn't work anymore)
              http://p100.ezboard.com/Libertarians-and-Democrats-to-duke-it-out-
              alone-in-Arizona-
              c/fthegoodthebadandtheugly49488libertarianpartynews.showMessage?
              topicID=1212.topic

              My district is all Navajo reservation except for the small town of
              Page and
              the Marble Canyon area of the Arizona Strip north of the Grand
              Canyon. The
              incumbent of more than two decades is a Navajo gal from an
              influential
              family around Tuba City area (really! and she tends to sleep through
              meetings - I've even heard this mentioned on the local NPR
              broadcast). In
              the last several weeks before the election, a Navajo fellow joined
              the fray
              as a write-in candidate. Off the rez I got over 50% of the vote.
              On the
              rez, 12-16%ish (from what I remember) which averaged close to 26%.

              Next cycle there is a good chance that the hand-picked succesor of
              the
              incumbent will be running, unless Louise is going to continue her
              napping on
              the job :) Don't know yet if the Republicans have gotten their act
              together
              enough to run candidates. I have a pile of compaign signs with my
              name on
              them; of course, we can always get bumper stickers to cover mine with
              a new
              name. But there isn't anyone apparent to run in my district, but I
              am not
              so sure I want to run again. Dilemma time.

              I keenly feel the risk of putting myself out there for public
              scrutiny, for
              the exposure and harrassment issue. We homeschool, flying under the
              radar
              since I have not filed the notarized affidavit the state wishes me
              to. I
              did write a generic 'to whom it may concern' letter, saying that we
              are
              homeschooling our children, names, birthdates, and sent that to the
              county
              department of education, but I could not bring myself to fill out a
              proper
              form and have it notarized -- what, my word isn't good enough eh?
              grrrr

              And I don't think I am a good candidate. I'm a much better writer
              than a
              speaker imo. I was a performer as a child/teen, and I don't have the
              drive
              to be out there and recognized. I like it behind the scenes, these
              days.
              And I have plenty to do with my life with my family and other
              volunteer
              stuff I do in addition to the time I spend doing libertarian stuff.

              It was a real stretch for me to become a candidate and I learned a
              heck of a
              lot doing it. It would be a daunting task, to be a libertarian
              county
              supervisor, especially in a district that includes part of a
              sovereign
              nation (and one that is socialist/welfare in character). I've only
              begun to
              grapple with the implications of a sovereign state being also part of
              the
              county - no one seems to really have an understanding of how that is
              all
              supposed to work. It seems that the Nation is creating a governing
              bureaucracy to rival the U.S. system, complete with utter
              incompetency. I
              work with some charities in the Page area, and see the level of
              need. The
              funding to help comes from all different arenas, private and public,
              and it
              is never enough to fill the void. It looks to me like the county
              supervisor's job is to divvy out tax money amongst all the folks
              asking for
              it, plus championing certain projects to better the lot of the people
              in the
              county -- all tax money. Spend, spend, spend. I would be a novice
              with a
              lot to learn in such a job.

              A campaign promise that I made was that I would donate half my salary
              to the
              emergency services need in the county. The town of Page had cut off
              the
              county at that time, not wanting to send ambulances out - mainly to
              the
              rez - when they were not being paid for the service. The salary at
              that
              time was $56,000 a year, and I believe they got themselves a raise
              not too
              long after the election to something more like $65,000 a year. That
              is a
              peck o' money in a rather poor area.

              Looking forward to hearing more of y'all's ideas and thoughts on this
              subject!

              thanks,
              Sue
            • Jan
              Welcome Nicole; thanks Andrea, Lori, Judy and Sue for your input on our August Topic of the month; and thanks Wendy for addressing/re- visiting our July Topic
              Message 6 of 11 , Aug 11, 2007
                Welcome Nicole; thanks Andrea, Lori, Judy and Sue for your input on
                our August Topic of the month; and thanks Wendy for addressing/re-
                visiting our July Topic of the month!

                I do want to respond to each of your posts more thoroughly - once
                things settle down here a bit.

                Today we are celebrating my husband's 50th birthday with a big bash
                that includes family, friends, food, music. etc ...

                On a sad note, I received word that my aunt passed away this morning
                and travel plans are in the works to attend her visitation and
                funeral.

                Such is the "happy and sad" of life, I guess ...

                Jan
              • Andrea Rice
                Sorry, I haven t had time to get back here and reply. None of those things are technically illegal, but we worry that the law is such that someone could make
                Message 7 of 11 , Aug 12, 2007
                  Sorry, I haven't had time to get back here and reply. None of those
                  things are technically illegal, but we worry that the law is such
                  that someone could make trouble. For instance, I understand that
                  homeschoolers are supposed to keep a file of vaccinations. I'm sure
                  we could write an exemption letter to ourselves, would it be "enough"
                  I don't know. You know, could someone challenge it, and then we'd end
                  up with more problems that before-- I guess there's just a lot we're
                  not sure of. When you're "under the radar" so to speak, or even out
                  in the open, but no one has a reason to bother you, it's one thing.
                  But if we give people a reason to bug us, I worry stuff might start
                  happening. I think that there would be opportunities for someone to
                  make a lot of trouble for us.

                  Andrea in IL

                  --- In MothersForLiberty@yahoogroups.com, Lori Loranger <lori@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > >From my own experiences, it is true that one can be harassed for
                  > putting themselves in a public light, and /or messing with the
                  powers
                  > that be.
                  > On the flip side, by putting yourself in a public light, any
                  resulting
                  > harassment is also illuminated as just what it is.
                  > Are homeschooling, not vaccinating, and drinking raw milk illegal
                  where
                  > you live? (where I live, all of these can be done legally)
                  > If so, this may be more trouble than you need to expose yourselves
                  to.
                  > If not, be public and be loud about all of it.
                  >
                  > I believe fully in civil disobedience. One small act of civil
                  > disobedience I regularly perform is an act of omission.
                  > WA homeschool law requires being legally qualified to homeschool,
                  having
                  > the student assessed annually, and filing an annual "declaration of
                  intent".
                  > While I have been involved in homeschooling for 23 years, am in a
                  > position where newcomers ask me about the relevant law, and have
                  > followed all the other aspects of the homeschool law, I have never
                  filed
                  > a "declaration of intent" and never will.
                  > I have been very public and vocal about this, and so far the only
                  > harassment I've received is from within the homeschool community.
                  My
                  > point is that sometimes being vocal and upfront about consciously
                  doing
                  > something illegal can be the best protection against legal
                  harassment.
                  > But of course there will also be people who believe so strongly the
                  > other way that they'll be vocal and public against you personally
                  for
                  > your views.
                  > -Lori
                  >
                  > Andrea Rice wrote:
                  > >
                  > > This will be an interesting topic! I just wanted to chime in and
                  say
                  > > why my husband won't run for office, and doesn't want me to do so
                  right
                  > > now either. He is worried that someone might take action against
                  our
                  > > family, as we do things that could be construed in a bad light,
                  like
                  > > homeschooling and no vaccinating and drinking raw milk-- he
                  worries
                  > > that someone could use the law to harrass us if we put ourselvse
                  in
                  > > such a public position. I'd love to hear any thoughts on this.
                  > >
                  > > Andrea
                  > >
                  > > -
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                • Laura Lund
                  ... office? ... local, state, national? Yes, my husband ran for the state legislature (house). He got 20% of the vote (it was only him vs. the incumbent
                  Message 8 of 11 , Aug 17, 2007
                    >>
                    Have you or your spouse/partner ever run for office and/or held
                    office? ... local, state, national?>>

                    Yes, my husband ran for the state legislature (house). He got 20% of the vote (it was only him vs. the incumbent republican). When my kids are older I plan on running. He didn't campaign at all. The Libertarians here try to make sure there's one of us on the ballot.

                    < For instance, I understand that
                    homeschoolers are supposed to keep a file of vaccinations. I'm sure
                    we could write an exemption letter to ourselves, would it be "enough"
                    I don't know.<<

                    We have exemptions from the health department for our school-aged children (we home school). I'm not sure that we really need them, though, since they are really to make the public school accept kids who aren't vaccinated.

                    If we didn't have kids we'd be performing acts of civil disobedience like what's going on in New Hampshire with some of the porcupines there.

                    http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/tiki-index.php

                    I love this one:

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI

                    __
                    Laura Lund, HCHI
                    Hypnobabies Childbirth Hypnosis Instructor
                    UCAN Birth Support Group, founder
                    www.BirthNaturally.org
                    801 494-1455
                  • Mellony Burlison
                    My husband and I both ran for office. He has run for congress as a Libertarian 3 times and once as a democrat. He ran for City Council 2 times and won the 2nd
                    Message 9 of 11 , Aug 19, 2007
                      My husband and I both ran for office.
                       
                      He has run for congress as a Libertarian 3 times and once as a democrat.  He ran for City Council 2 times and won the 2nd time.
                       
                      Doug and I weren't together when he ran for congress but when he ran for city council he spent alot of time and money campaigning.  Now that he was elected, he is home even less. 
                       
                      I ran for office for state rep in 2004.  That is how Doug and I met.  I was more of a paper candidate.
                       
                      As far as civil disobedience, I believe in it and do it any opportunity I can.  In 2004 we took our kids to the presidential debates in ST Louis to protest the exclusion of Michael Badnarik from the debates.  It was pretty cool....we were right by the swat team their M-16's.  I guess some people would find it irresponsible, I didn't think of it that way. 
                       
                      I NEVER wear my seat belt.  I feel like the government has NO right to tell me how to protect myself.  I am sure there are more examples of our civil disobedience, but at this moment I am terribly sleep deprived so my brain is not working at full capacity!  :-)
                       
                      We LOVE "stickin' it to the man".
                       
                    • Lori Loranger
                      Okay, so I started this back in August - I realize it is now almost October! But here s my 2 cents just the same. I ran a paper campaign for state legislature
                      Message 10 of 11 , Sep 25, 2007
                        Okay, so I started this back in August - I realize it is now almost
                        October! But here's my 2 cents just the same.

                        I ran a paper campaign for state legislature in 2000; WA state party was
                        trying to get major party status that year, and wanted to run as many
                        candidates as possible. I also learned a lot, and see the value of
                        talking libertarian ideas to a larger audience. Another benefit of
                        running for office, to me, is being truly heard by the other candidates,
                        one of whom will undoubtedly be elected. It is a rare opportunity to
                        speak plainly on the issues to someone who will be placed in the
                        position of representing you. As a fellow candidate, they seem to take
                        you more seriously than just another constituent.
                        Paper campaigns can be run at many different levels - that is, just file
                        and appear in the campaign literature and that's it, or you can
                        participate in various forums, talk to local news reporters, etc. While
                        my campaign was "paper", I took advantage of every opportunity to appear
                        at a public event, be interviewed by local media, debate my fellow
                        candidates, etc. I also consider myself a better writer than speaker,
                        but I did pretty well, considering that I'm not a politician.

                        I personally think that having libertarians on the ballot is good. If
                        this means running paper candidates, I have no problem with that. I
                        would rather have the choice to vote libertarian than not have that choice.
                        Sure, it would be "better" to have more serious campaigns, with
                        libertarians being elected left and right, so to speak. But the party
                        has been around for over 30 years, and this has not happened; so that
                        makes the discussion kind of academic, rather than practical.
                        From a practical perspective, I see a lot of value in running as many
                        candidates as possible as cheaply as possible.

                        I'd prefer to see the party (of which I am no longer officially a
                        member) run a "paper" presidential campaign and put those resources into
                        running more serious races at state and local levels. If the LP wants
                        to be able to run a serious presidential candidate, we need to elect
                        more people more often to more lower offices. We need to become a real
                        presence in congress, the house of reps, etc. How many presidents has
                        America had who did NOT hold a lower office before they were elected
                        president?

                        I think NOT running any candidates at all undermines the credibility of
                        the LP and any active LP candidates much more than running less active
                        candidates. Most voters do not participate beyond looking in the voters
                        pamphlet and making a choice; if there are no libertarian choices, they
                        certainly aren't in any danger of making a libertarian choice. These
                        voters aren't concerned with how active the campaigns are - they're just
                        making a choice based on what they see in the pamphlet.

                        As for public scrutiny, harassment, etc., yes - any time you open your
                        mouth in public, you let yourself in for that. In my experience, this
                        isn't limited to running for public office - just show up at a public
                        meeting, and express an opinion opposite to the most pervasive one. In
                        many ways, I think doing this as a candidate offers some protection that
                        you don't get in other public political situations. The alternative is
                        to keep your mouth shut; and personally, I've never been able to manage
                        that! ;^)
                        So there's my opinion, a day late and a dollar short. (okay, a month
                        late...)
                        -Lori




                        arghhhh4 wrote:
                        >
                        > ...
                        > That is one of my questions- do you think it is valuable to run a
                        > paper
                        > campaign? Once? over and over? Does this undermine the credibility
                        > of
                        > libertarian candidates? By paper campaign, I mean filing the
                        > paperwork and
                        > getting on the ballot, then not actively campaigning. ...the value I
                        > see in that is being
                        > able to
                        > talk about liberarian ideas to a larger audience....
                        > I keenly feel the risk of putting myself out there for public
                        > scrutiny, for
                        > the exposure and harrassment issue. ...
                        > thanks,
                        > Sue
                        >
                        > _
                      • Jan
                        Lori wrote: ... So there s my opinion, a day late and a dollar short. (okay, a month late...) ... Lori, Certainly not a dollar short! You offered valuable
                        Message 11 of 11 , Oct 1, 2007
                          Lori wrote: ... So there's my opinion, a day late and a dollar short.
                          (okay, a month late...)

                          ----------

                          Lori,

                          Certainly not a dollar short! You offered valuable information based on
                          your personal experiences and assessments. Much appreciated!

                          Jan
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