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  • cassie mastin
    I always meant to look for Austrian economics for our older two homeschooled kids, but never did try to find anything specific. While not academically
    Message 1 of 17 , Oct 1, 2008
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      I always meant to look for Austrian economics for our older two homeschooled kids, but never did try to find anything specific. While not academically rigorous, I hope they picked up a lot from family discussions about current issues and our own financial ethics. Both kids took several 4-H financial projects, had their own savings and checking accounts as teens, had multiple jobs.
       
      Real life choices and experiences, I have always believed, are the way to ground kids in capitalism, because they see first hand how the world works. When you know from personal experience that socialistic behavior(share my birthday toys?) and welfare state policies(give half my babysitting money to my little brother because he is too young to work yet?) go against human nature, you are more likely to not fall into the trap of believing some politician who says it is the only way to go (...sigh...how very appropo this day, when the whole world is waiting for news of the 700 billion tax-payer stranglehold bailout of massive irresponsiible fiscal behavior.)
       
      Encouraging rational thinking(Thoreau, Emerson, Whitman among others)  and the study of history are two more indirect helpers.
       
      Is The Incredible Bread Machine book/movie stll available?
       
      Years ago, my son participated in a homeschool group taking the several weeks long "Wallstreet Workshop." I don't remember who gave that or know if it is still available.
       
      There were opportunities we did not take advantage of to be part of public speaking/debate courses, too, through Rotary and other local groups.
       
      I am definitely interested if anyone does know of a kid-friendly Austrian economics course. We have one last teen at home to work with.
       
      in liberty,
      Karol 

      --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Janet Deacon <sbtwinmom@...> wrote:
      From: Janet Deacon <sbtwinmom@...>
      Subject: [MothersForLiberty] Austrian Economics
      To: mothersForLiberty@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 8:02 PM

      Is there any economics curriculum out there (for kids maybe middle school and up) that teaches Austrian Economics or something similar?  Or, even better, some group that offers workshops or seminars (online or in person) for small groups? 
       
      Thanks,
      Janet


    • Molly Paryani
      The book The Adventures of Jonathan Gullible would be an excellent course for children/young adults. I am reading it myself to make sure I have a strong
      Message 2 of 17 , Oct 1, 2008
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        The book "The Adventures of Jonathan Gullible" would be an excellent course for children/young adults.  I am reading it myself to make sure I have a strong foundational grasp, and to prepare in teaching it to my kids.
         
         
         
        :)
         
         
         
        ~Molly P.
        North MI, homeschooling AP mama of four
      • Janet Deacon
        Thanks for those leads...I ll pursue them. I m definitely looking for something I could use with other people s children too though, so please holler if you
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          Thanks for those leads...I'll pursue them.
           
          I'm definitely looking for something I could use with other people's children too though, so please holler if you think or hear of something appropriate for a group of kids, some of which would not come from liberty oriented families.
           
          Janet

          ----- Original Message ----
          From: cassie mastin <goldenkat3@...>
          To: MothersForLiberty@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 6:16:33 AM
          Subject: Re: [MothersForLiberty] Austrian Economics

          I always meant to look for Austrian economics for our older two homeschooled kids, but never did try to find anything specific. While not academically rigorous, I hope they picked up a lot from family discussions about current issues and our own financial ethics. Both kids took several 4-H financial projects, had their own savings and checking accounts as teens, had multiple jobs.
           
          Real life choices and experiences, I have always believed, are the way to ground kids in capitalism, because they see first hand how the world works. When you know from personal experience that socialistic behavior(share my birthday toys?) and welfare state policies(give half my babysitting money to my little brother because he is too young to work yet?) go against human nature, you are more likely to not fall into the trap of believing some politician who says it is the only way to go (...sigh...how very appropo this day, when the whole world is waiting for news of the 700 billion tax-payer stranglehold bailout of massive irresponsiible fiscal behavior.)
           
          Encouraging rational thinking(Thoreau, Emerson, Whitman among others)  and the study of history are two more indirect helpers.
           
          Is The Incredible Bread Machine book/movie stll available?
           
          Years ago, my son participated in a homeschool group taking the several weeks long "Wallstreet Workshop." I don't remember who gave that or know if it is still available.
           
          There were opportunities we did not take advantage of to be part of public speaking/debate courses, too, through Rotary and other local groups.
           
          I am definitely interested if anyone does know of a kid-friendly Austrian economics course. We have one last teen at home to work with.
           
          in liberty,
          Karol 

          --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Janet Deacon <sbtwinmom@yahoo. com> wrote:
          From: Janet Deacon <sbtwinmom@yahoo. com>
          Subject: [MothersForLiberty] Austrian Economics
          To: mothersForLiberty@ yahoogroups. com
          Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 8:02 PM

          Is there any economics curriculum out there (for kids maybe middle school and up) that teaches Austrian Economics or something similar?  Or, even better, some group that offers workshops or seminars (online or in person) for small groups? 
           
          Thanks,
          Janet



        • Janet Deacon
          Great!  Will look forward to finding this... Janet ... From: Molly Paryani To: MothersForLiberty@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October
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            Great!  Will look forward to finding this...
            Janet

            ----- Original Message ----
            From: Molly Paryani <mollyv@...>
            To: MothersForLiberty@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 8:40:20 AM
            Subject: Re: [MothersForLiberty] Austrian Economics

            The book "The Adventures of Jonathan Gullible" would be an excellent course for children/young adults.  I am reading it myself to make sure I have a strong foundational grasp, and to prepare in teaching it to my kids.
             
             
             
            :)
             
             
             
            ~Molly P.
            North MI, homeschooling AP mama of four

          • Rhonda
            Thanks to everyone for their ideas on teaching Austrian economics. Public schools have so failed in teaching economics. I am amazed at the comments I m hearing
            Message 5 of 17 , Oct 2, 2008
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              Thanks to everyone for their ideas on teaching Austrian economics. Public schools have so failed in teaching economics. I am amazed at the comments I'm hearing in regards to the bail-out. There is lots of stuff on the internet calling for the $7,000,000,000 to be divided up among each citizen--with no understanding that this would lead to hyperinflation. I've been hearing so many people blaming the bail-out on capitalism, with no understanding that corporate welfare is not a part of capitalism. It is quite depressing. I can't educate the world, but at least I can work at educating my own children.
               
              Rhonda 
            • Janet Deacon
              Besides the books mentioned on this list (The Adventures of Jonathan Gullible; The Incredible Bread Machine; the Uncle Eric books), one of my other e-mail
              Message 6 of 17 , Oct 2, 2008
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                Besides the books mentioned on this list (The Adventures of Jonathan Gullible; The Incredible Bread Machine; the Uncle Eric books), one of my other e-mail lists mentions "Economics in a Box" from www.economicthinking.org and "How an Economy Grows and Why It Does".

                 

                Just wanted to pass that along.

                 

                Thanks everyone for your ideas,

                Janet



                ----- Original Message ----
                From: Rhonda <HomeOfLove69@...>
                To: MothersForLiberty@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 8:57:58 AM
                Subject: [MothersForLiberty] Re: Austrian Economics

                Thanks to everyone for their ideas on teaching Austrian economics. Public schools have so failed in teaching economics. I am amazed at the comments I'm hearing in regards to the bail-out. There is lots of stuff on the internet calling for the $7,000,000,000 to be divided up among each citizen--with no understanding that this would lead to hyperinflation. I've been hearing so many people blaming the bail-out on capitalism, with no understanding that corporate welfare is not a part of capitalism. It is quite depressing. I can't educate the world, but at least I can work at educating my own children.
                 
                Rhonda 

              • Jan
                Janet wrote: Besides the books mentioned on this list (The Adventures of Jonathan Gullible; The Incredible Bread Machine; the Uncle Eric books), one of my
                Message 7 of 17 , Oct 11, 2008
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                  Janet wrote: Besides the books mentioned on this list (The Adventures
                  of Jonathan Gullible; The Incredible Bread Machine; the Uncle Eric
                  books), one of my other e-mail lists mentions "Economics in a Box"
                  from www.economicthinking.org and "How an Economy Grows and Why It
                  Does".
                  --------------

                  I was searching the net for a quote I liked from Karl Hess' book,
                  Capitalism for Kids, and came across a website selling some of the
                  same books we have been discussing here (both as individual books and
                  curriculum packages). I wanted to pass along the name of the site and
                  link: Bluestocking Press at:
                  http://www.bluestockingpress.com/curriculum_packages.htm

                  BTW, via my search I also found the quote I was looking for and
                  thought it was pertinent to this conversation as well.

                  Jan

                  "Entrepreneurs, even young entrepreneurs, know that every new day is
                  a new challenge. They know that learning must go on throughout life.
                  They know that learning is not just something you do in school. They
                  know that you do it every day, with every experience, if you are
                  alert and thoughtful. They know that the ability to think includes
                  the ability to change, to adapt, to use new tools and information.
                  Change, which may seem such a threat and a danger to some people,
                  will just seem a challenge and an opportunity to the entrepreneur."

                  ~ Karl Hess, Capitalism for Kids
                • cassie mastin
                  How nice to read of Karl Hess and capitalism from my Charlottesville, VA motel room. My daughters and I have been wandering in our Founding Father s
                  Message 8 of 17 , Oct 12, 2008
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                    How nice to read of Karl Hess and capitalism from my Charlottesville, VA motel room. My daughters and I have been wandering in our Founding Father's footsteps for a few days and will visit Monticello tomorrow before heading west to the Ohio River Valley.
                     
                    The Lewis and Clark expedition began in this same old town, and that has good memories for us, too. One of the enjoyable things we did as homeschoolers was to get involved with the St. Charles DESC II re-enactors when they came through Cincinnati in 2003. We now look for Lewis and Clark path whenever we travel. My oldest daughter even ended up attending the same university, Transylavania, in Lexington, that youngest expedition member, George Shannon went to after his return. 
                     
                    in liberty,
                    Karol

                    --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Jan <libertyjan@...> wrote:
                    From: Jan <libertyjan@...>
                    Subject: [MothersForLiberty] Re: Austrian Economics
                    To: MothersForLiberty@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 6:24 PM

                    Janet wrote: Besides the books mentioned on this list (The Adventures 
                    of Jonathan Gullible; The Incredible Bread Machine; the Uncle Eric 
                    books), one of my other e-mail lists mentions "Economics in a Box" 
                    from www.economicthinking.org and "How an Economy Grows and Why It 
                    Does".
                    --------------
                    
                    I was searching the net for a quote I liked from Karl Hess' book, 
                    Capitalism for Kids, and came across a website selling some of the 
                    same books we have been discussing here (both as individual books and 
                    curriculum packages). I wanted to pass along the name of the site and 
                    link: Bluestocking Press at: 
                    http://www.bluestockingpress.com/curriculum_packages.htm
                    
                    BTW, via my search I also found the quote I was looking for and 
                    thought it was pertinent to this conversation as well.
                    
                    Jan
                     
                    "Entrepreneurs, even young entrepreneurs, know that every new day is 
                    a new challenge. They know that learning must go on throughout life. 
                    They know that learning is not just something you do in school. They 
                    know that you do it every day, with every experience, if you are 
                    alert and thoughtful. They know that the ability to think includes 
                    the ability to change, to adapt, to use new tools and information. 
                    Change, which may seem such a threat and a danger to some people, 
                    will just seem a challenge and an opportunity to the entrepreneur."  
                    
                    ~ Karl Hess, Capitalism for Kids
                    
                    
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                  • Lori Loranger
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                    • Jan
                      Karol wrote: How nice to read of Karl Hess and capitalism from my Charlottesville, VA motel room. My daughters and I have been wandering in our Founding
                      Message 10 of 17 , Oct 27, 2008
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                        Karol wrote: How nice to read of Karl Hess and capitalism from my
                        Charlottesville, VA motel room. My daughters and I have been wandering
                        in our Founding Father's footsteps for a few days and will visit
                        Monticello tomorrow before heading west to the Ohio River Valley.
                         
                        The Lewis and Clark expedition began in this same old town, and that
                        has good memories for us, too. One of the enjoyable things we did as
                        homeschoolers was to get involved with the St. Charles DESC II re-
                        enactors when they came through Cincinnati in 2003. We now look
                        for Lewis and Clark path whenever we travel. My oldest daughter even
                        ended up attending the same university, Transylavania, in
                        Lexington, that youngest expedition member, George Shannon went to
                        after his return. 
                        -----------------------

                        Karol ... sounds as if you are a Karl Hess fan, eh? If so, I have a
                        question for you (or for that matter anyone else in the group who may
                        know) My brother and I both remember watching Mr. Hess on The Phil
                        Donahue Show "back in the day" (I'm thinking the late 60's/early 70's)
                        I remember being spell bound by the dialogue ... more precisely, by
                        Karl Hess himself.

                        I've tried to locate a copy of the show via a number of sources
                        (internet, book stores, video stores, YouTube, etc) but to no avail.
                        If anyone remembers seeing the show and/or knows were I can get a copy,
                        that would be great ... I would love to see it again all these many
                        years later.

                        BTW, sounds as if you and your daughters had a great time!

                        Jan
                      • cassie mastin
                        Dear Jan,   I ll ask around. tHE ... From: Jan Subject: [MothersForLiberty] Re: Austrian Economics/Karl Hess To:
                        Message 11 of 17 , Oct 29, 2008
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                          Dear Jan,
                           
                          I'll ask around. tHE

                          --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Jan <libertyjan@...> wrote:
                          From: Jan <libertyjan@...>
                          Subject: [MothersForLiberty] Re: Austrian Economics/Karl Hess
                          To: MothersForLiberty@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 7:09 PM

                          Karol wrote: How nice to read of Karl Hess and capitalism from my 
                          Charlottesville, VA motel room. My daughters and I have been wandering 
                          in our Founding Father's footsteps for a few days and will visit 
                          Monticello tomorrow before heading west to the Ohio River Valley. 
                           
                          The Lewis and Clark expedition began in this same old town, and that 
                          has good memories for us, too. One of the enjoyable things we did as 
                          homeschoolers was to get involved with the St. Charles DESC II re-
                          enactors when they came through Cincinnati in 2003. We now look 
                          for Lewis and Clark path whenever we travel. My oldest daughter even 
                          ended up attending the same university, Transylavania, in 
                          Lexington, that youngest expedition member, George Shannon went to 
                          after his return. 
                          -----------------------
                          
                          Karol ... sounds as if you are a Karl Hess fan, eh? If so, I have a 
                          question for you (or for that matter anyone else in the group who may 
                          know) My brother and I both remember watching Mr. Hess on The Phil 
                          Donahue Show "back in the day" (I'm thinking the late
                          60's/early 70's) 
                          I remember being spell bound by the dialogue ... more precisely, by 
                          Karl Hess himself.  
                          
                          I've tried to locate a copy of the show via a number of sources 
                          (internet, book stores, video stores, YouTube, etc) but to no avail.  
                          If anyone remembers seeing the show and/or knows were I can get a copy, 
                          that would be great ... I would love to see it again all these many 
                          years later. 
                          
                          BTW, sounds as if you and your daughters had a great time!
                          
                          Jan
                          
                          
                          
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                        • cassie mastin
                          Dear Jan,   I ll ask around. The ... From: Jan Subject: [MothersForLiberty] Re: Austrian Economics/Karl Hess To:
                          Message 12 of 17 , Oct 29, 2008
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                            Dear Jan,
                             
                            I'll ask around. The

                            --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Jan <libertyjan@...> wrote:
                            From: Jan <libertyjan@...>
                            Subject: [MothersForLiberty] Re: Austrian Economics/Karl Hess
                            To: MothersForLiberty@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 7:09 PM

                            Karol wrote: How nice to read of Karl Hess and capitalism from my 
                            Charlottesville, VA motel room. My daughters and I have been wandering 
                            in our Founding Father's footsteps for a few days and will visit 
                            Monticello tomorrow before heading west to the Ohio River Valley. 
                             
                            The Lewis and Clark expedition began in this same old town, and that 
                            has good memories for us, too. One of the enjoyable things we did as 
                            homeschoolers was to get involved with the St. Charles DESC II re-
                            enactors when they came through Cincinnati in 2003. We now look 
                            for Lewis and Clark path whenever we travel. My oldest daughter even 
                            ended up attending the same university, Transylavania, in 
                            Lexington, that youngest expedition member, George Shannon went to 
                            after his return. 
                            -----------------------
                            
                            Karol ... sounds as if you are a Karl Hess fan, eh? If so, I have a 
                            question for you (or for that matter anyone else in the group who may 
                            know) My brother and I both remember watching Mr. Hess on The Phil 
                            Donahue Show "back in the day" (I'm thinking the late
                            60's/early 70's) 
                            I remember being spell bound by the dialogue ... more precisely, by 
                            Karl Hess himself.  
                            
                            I've tried to locate a copy of the show via a number of sources 
                            (internet, book stores, video stores, YouTube, etc) but to no avail.  
                            If anyone remembers seeing the show and/or knows were I can get a copy, 
                            that would be great ... I would love to see it again all these many 
                            years later. 
                            
                            BTW, sounds as if you and your daughters had a great time!
                            
                            Jan
                            
                            
                            
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                          • cassie mastin
                            Dear Jan,   The Donahue Show was originally produced in Dayton, Oh, so someone in our local libertarian circles, may even have helped with that Karl Hess
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                              Dear Jan,
                               
                              The Donahue Show was originally produced in Dayton, Oh, so someone in our local libertarian circles, may even have helped with that Karl Hess show. I have not been very politically active for many years, but my in-laws are mainstays of the local Libertarians, so I will have my husband ask them about locating a copy.
                               
                              You might also have some luck contacting WLW radio talk-show host Mike McConnell, who is definitely a Republican, but at times, supports libertarian positions. He worked for many years in Dayton radio, and MAY be old enough to have been there in late 60's.
                               
                              in liberty,
                              Karol 

                              --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Jan <libertyjan@...> wrote:
                              Karol ... sounds as if you are a Karl Hess fan, eh? If so, I have a 
                              question for you (or for that matter anyone else in the group who may 
                              know) My brother and I both remember watching Mr. Hess on The Phil 
                              Donahue Show "back in the day" (I'm thinking the late
                              60's/early 70's) 
                              I remember being spell bound by the dialogue ... more precisely, by 
                              Karl Hess himself.  
                              
                              I've tried to locate a copy of the show via a number of sources 
                              (internet, book stores, video stores, YouTube, etc) but to no avail.  
                              If anyone remembers seeing the show and/or knows were I can get a copy, 
                              that would be great ... I would love to see it again all these many 
                              years later. 
                              
                              BTW, sounds as if you and your daughters had a great time!
                              
                              Jan
                              
                              
                              
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                            • Jan
                              Karol wrote: The Donahue Show was originally produced in Dayton, Oh, so someone in our local libertarian circles, may even have helped with that Karl Hess
                              Message 14 of 17 , Oct 30, 2008
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                                Karol wrote: The Donahue Show was originally produced in Dayton, Oh,
                                so someone in our local libertarian circles, may even have helped
                                with that Karl Hess show. I have not been very politically active for
                                many years, but my in-laws are mainstays of the local Libertarians,
                                so I will have my husband ask them about locating a copy.
                                 
                                You might also have some luck contacting WLW radio talk-show host
                                Mike McConnell, who is definitely a Republican, but at times,
                                supports libertarian positions. He worked for many years in Dayton
                                radio, and MAY be old enough to have been there in late 60's.
                                -------------------------

                                Karol,

                                Thanks for the offer to help AND the lead ... maybe between the two
                                of us (and some help from your hubby via your in-laws) we can finally
                                track down this seemingly elusive Karl Hess video

                                Keep me posted and I'll do the same.

                                Thanks again!

                                Jan
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