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RE: [Michalak] Re: Sail Plans (Lateen)

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  • daniel brown
    what is traditional? 20, 40, 60 years? the dictionary says more than a generation... ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    Message 1 of 159 , May 21, 2013
      what is traditional? 20, 40, 60 years? the dictionary says more than a generation...


      > To: Michalak@yahoogroups.com
      > From: parke120@...
      > Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:42:53 -0500
      > Subject: Re: [Michalak] Re: Sail Plans (Lateen)
      >
      > Chapelle shows the felucca with a boomless sail:
      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/photos/album/1218213034/pic/98848337/view
      > -- so we get no support there for a boomed lateen being traditional, at
      > least in the felucca tradition.
      >
      > I don't have anything handy on the gundalow or the sponge boat.
      >
      > - Chris
      >
      >
      > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:12 PM, John Trussell <jtrussell2@...> wrote:
      >
      > > **
      > >
      > >
      > > I own Dave Nichol's excellent book, but I doubt that he would consider that
      > > the sail rigs he described is a complete catalogue of "traditional sail
      > > plans".
      > >
      > > Howard Chapelle in American Small Sailing Craft notes a painting dating
      > > from
      > > around 1750 showing a lateen rigged boat and he has documented the use of
      > > lateen sails on gundalow in New Hampshire, sponge boats in Apalachicola,
      > > and
      > > feluccas in San Francisco. It appears likely that these rigs came from the
      > > Mediterranean and were also used in ancient Egypt and in the sailing dhows
      > > often found in the Indian Ocean. Lateen sails were also often used as
      > > spankers on square rigged ships.
      > >
      > > Given the history, I think I would have to include lateen sails in a
      > > listing
      > > of traditional sail rigs.
      > >
      > > JohnT
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: Michalak@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Michalak@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
      > > Of daniel brown
      > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:42 PM
      > > To: Michalak@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: RE: [Michalak] Re: Sail Plans (Lateen)
      > >
      > > boomed lateen sails were used at least as early as 1945 on alcort's
      > > sailfish. not traditional? certainly historic. there are hundreds of
      > > thousands of these sweet little boats planing out around the world. one of
      > > the most popular racing classes. the modern sunfish sail has gone through
      > > decades of evolution. the current version was designed by canadian
      > > sailmaker
      > > hans fogh, master sunfish racer, and built for vanguard/sunfish by north
      > > sails. pricey at about $400 but very good knockoffs are available for much
      > > less.
      > >
      > >
      > > To: Michalak@yahoogroups.com
      > > From: nelsarv@...
      > > Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 17:21:55 +0000
      > > Subject: [Michalak] Re: Sail Plans (Lateen)
      > >
      > > The lateen rig with boom is not often considered a "traditional" sail.
      > > Not even mentioned in David Nichols excellent book,
      > >
      > > http://www.duckworksbbs.com/media/books/tradsails/index.htm
      > > <http://www.duckworksbbs.com/media/books/tradsails/index.htm>
      > >
      > > Yet it does have some "historical" significance if you are a member of
      > > the instant "box boat" fan club, as it was the sail chosen for Tortoise
      > > which was the forerunner of Brick which was later developed by Shorty
      > > Routh as the PD Racer.
      > >
      > > http://www.instantboats.com/tortoise.htm
      > > <http://www.instantboats.com/tortoise.htm>
      > >
      > > Still a very interesting little boat, in that it only requires 2 sheets
      > > of 1/4" plywood, makes an excellent kids boat and has countless builds
      > > as a tender for a larger hull. The PDR crowd missed the fact that the
      > > chine logs don't have to be bent into shape to line up with the hull
      > > rocker. Payson just used 3 pieces of straight 1x4 that are joined with
      > > an angled joint and over extend below the rocker and are simply trimmed
      > > back to match the bottom rocker. Also it was my first understanding of
      > > the way Bolger connects the tack line to the forward end of the sail -
      > > at the join point of the boom and yard and lead back around the mast and
      > > down to a cleat on the other side of the boom. This allows the aft end
      > > of the boom to be adjusted upwards if you want more clearance under it
      > > and prevents the boom from banging against the mast. Complete plans in
      > > Payson's build book as well.
      > >
      > > http://www.instantboats.com/btnib.htm
      > > <http://www.instantboats.com/btnib.htm>
      > >
      > > Nels
      > >
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    • John Boy
      Thank you. For some reason, my Chrome browser stopped translating.  Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      Message 159 of 159 , Sep 1, 2013
        Thank you. For some reason, my Chrome browser stopped translating. 

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