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  • jaczoey
    Hi William. Have you seen the sailboat called the Marsh Duck on Duckworks Magazine web site. Weights about 150 pounds, can transport on top of a small car so
    Message 1 of 8 , Mar 10, 2013
      Hi William. Have you seen the sailboat called the Marsh Duck on Duckworks Magazine web site. Weights about 150 pounds, can transport on top of a small car so no trailer is needed, sleeping space for one person (maybe two) inside out of the weather and one in the cockpit, no outboard motor, can row at 3 or 4 knots for a long while and it sails fast. The designer went on a 4 week cruise with two people aboard then cruised solo for 2 weeks. The designer has a blog at scotdomergueblog.wordpress.com. It looks like it would be a good boat for my wife and I to cruise in I'm thinking about building one. Let me know what you think of it.

      --- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, "gdbg66a2000" <gdbg66a2000@...> wrote:
      > All good points and I have been there with some of them. I live in S
      > Colorado. Definetly not the sailing capital or the world! My only
      > small lake, (with what can be fluky winds on a moments notice), is
      > about 10 mi away. My first sailboat was a a Hunter 23. A puppy's
      > mother to rig so really limited me on an impromptu day out. Last boat
      > was a WWP-15 which was 1 hr from house to sailing. Much better but
      > small. They say there are 3 reasons to build a boat: 1) One lives in
      > an area that there are no readily available/suitable boats for sale,
      > 2) One just can't get the features they want, 3) One just wants to
      > have the "fun" of building. I pretty much fit all 3.
      > Even cheap, older 2 strokes are hard to come by around here. I am
      > actually looking towards a newer 4 stroke. (With an eye towards using
      > it on my next boat). 55# for a 6HP Nissan and 100+ for a 10HP. I
      > wouldn't consider a 6HP enough for the AF4B if the wind got up on my
      > lake and 100# is allot on the transom of a small sailboat.
      > Truthfully, On Duckworks, Paul Fishers "Galway" with bilge keel would
      > be more what I might ultimately want, or something along that line,
      > but having never built a boat I would be hesitant to undertake that
      > project as a first boat. I also have a limitation of about 2000# on
      > my tow vehicke too.
      > Please keep the thoughts coming. It helps to have other ideas and
      > oppinions.
      > Regards~
      > William
      > --- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, Rob Rohde-Szudy <robrohdeszudy@>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Well, hold on a moment here. (Let me apologize right now for
      > raising more questions!)
      > >
      > > On motors, You're right that you will probably want a different
      > motor for the sailboat, but it's not so much weight or shaft length.
      > It's fuel consumption. Jim designs the sterns of most of his
      > sailboats to accommodate the cheap and common short shaft motor. And
      > assuming you're looking at old-school cheap motors, the weight won't
      > be too different. Maybe 50 lbs versus 80ish lbs. That's about the
      > difference between my 1954 Johnson 5.5 and my 1952 Johnson 12.
      > >
      > > But more importantly, if your ultimate goal is a sailboat, why
      > not just build one? You can always use it as a low speed motor launch
      > when you don't feel like sailing. I very often do this with the Light
      > Schooner, though I might do it less often now that I have the AF4B.
      > >
      > > On top of that, there's the Michalak-recommended approach of
      > building a little boat first, since it will almost always get more
      > use than the big one even when you have both. The
      > canoe/pirogue/dink/punt/rowboat can hang out on the car's roof all
      > summer, ready to go at the drop of a hat. Let's face it, when you
      > have a free hour, you're not going to hitch a trailer. But you may
      > very well yank the little boat off the car for a short outing. The
      > quicker and easier the setup, the more you use it. (Besides, I'm
      > pretty sure that sailing skills improve fastest in the smallest
      > boats. The effects of one's actions are immediately apparent.)
      > >
      > > Sometimes systematizing the questions helps. Michael Connelly and
      > I have been poking around at a survey that would help people narrow
      > in on what fits them best. If you're game, here's an abbreviated
      > version:
      > >
      > > 1. Your weather (Where do you live, anyway?)
      > > a. How many months of the year would it be safe and pleasant
      > to get wet on the water?
      > > b. How many months of the year is the water frozen?
      > > c. Average number of rainy or cold unpleasant days during the
      > boating season
      > > d. Average number of in-season days with wind under 5 mph
      > > e. Average number of in-season days wind 5-15 mph
      > > f. Average number of in-season days wind 15+ mph
      > >
      > > 2. Local Water
      > > What kind of water is on your way home from work, or within a 5
      > minute detour?
      > > a. small lake
      > > b. large lake or ocean
      > > c. pond or open water in marshland
      > > d. river - what's the current or drop per mile?
      > > What kind of water is within a 30 minute drive of home?
      > > a. small lake
      > > b. large lake or ocean
      > > c. pond or open water in marshland
      > > d. river - what's the current or drop per mile?
      > >
      > > 3. Free Time
      > > a. How much time can you use for boating on a weekday?
      > > b. How many weekdays could you pull this off in a month?
      > > c. How much time can you use for boating on a weekend day?
      > > d. How many weekends could you manage this each month?
      > >
      > > 4. Family
      > > a. Who's coming along? (Include the dog, if applicable)
      > > b. Who will be waiting for you at home?
      > >
      > > 5. Experience
      > > a. How much paddling have you done?
      > > b. Rowing?
      > > c. Sailing?
      > > d. Motorboating?
      > >
      > > This might seem like a lot of work, but it's a hell of a lot less
      > work than building something only to realize a different boat would
      > have been better. (Like I wish I'd known about the Core Sound 20 when
      > I built the schooner. Damn...) It might very well precipitate some
      > good advice from the group as well.
      > >
      > > --Rob
      > >
      > >
      > > Re: Committed to an AF4B
      > > Posted by: "gdbg66a2000" gdbg66a2000@ gdbg66a2000
      > > Date: Mon Apr 2, 2007 12:14 pm ((PDT))
      > >
      > > Thanks Rob, (and all)
      > >
      > > I guess "comitted" could be a bit of a strong a word...Have ordered
      > the
      > > plans and book and located a source of wood are probably more
      > correct.
      > > Ultimately I want something with a sail in the 18'-20' range but I
      > > figured this boat would be a good, cheap learning experience. I am
      > > quite limited on building space also or would probably just go for
      > the
      > > AF4.
      > >
      > > I am in a bit of a quandry here tho. The motor that I "think" I
      > need
      > > for the AF4B probably isn't what I would want on an 20' trailer
      > sailor.
      > > I think a 10HP short shaft would be appropriate for the AF4B but
      > would
      > > probably want a 6HP long shaft for a sailboat. (weight being the
      > > biggest consideration).
      > >
      > > This boat isn't the "boat of my dreams" so I could learn on it,
      > have
      > > fun with it for a season or 2, and then sell it or even give it
      > away
      > > for what I'll have in it and no big deal. Problem is more with the
      > > trailer and motor. They will cost me more than the boat and if I
      > gear
      > > for the AF4B the trailer and/or motor will either have to go with
      > that
      > > boat or I will have to reinvest in a bigger trailer and different
      > > motor.
      > >
      > > Decisions Decisions :)
      > > William
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ---------------------------------
      > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate
      > > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >
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