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  • prairiedog2332
    Drilling an over-sized hole, filling it with goop and then drilling the correct sized hole means that the edge grain of the plywood gets sealed. So only
    Message 1 of 18 , Dec 3, 2012
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      Drilling an over-sized hole, filling it with goop and then drilling the
      correct sized hole means that the edge grain of the plywood gets sealed.
      So only applies to plywood for the most part.

      It is also very important to do this for any scupper openings or
      self-draining end wells that are popular in Michalak and Bolger
      designs. Try to seal any edge grain as best you can and make sure they
      stay open. Dead leaves and dirt stuck in drains is not a good combo.
      Nels

      --- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, john colley <Helliconia54@...> wrote:
      >
      > its plastic! The drill wont know its there!
      >
      > Â
      > "There is magic in the feel of a paddle and the movement of a canoe, a
      magic compounded of distance, adventure, solitude, and peace."
      > -Sigurd Olson
      >
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: Carl Volkwein carlvolkwein@...
      > To: "Michalak@yahoogroups.com" Michalak@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2012 9:38 AM
      > Subject: Re: [Michalak] Re: Bow eye placement / support for Caroline
      >
      >
      > Â
      > How hard is epoxy to drill through?
      >




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    • Hajo Smulders
      Using the oversized hole / epoxy technique, I will actually tap a thread into the epoxy and then back that with a backing plate or giant washer and a nut. Hajo
      Message 2 of 18 , Dec 3, 2012
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        Using the oversized hole / epoxy technique, I will actually tap a thread
        into the epoxy and then back that with a backing plate or giant washer and
        a nut.

        Hajo
        --

        "I can�t believe I�ve turned into a typical old man. I can�t believe it. I
        was young just minutes ago..." (M. Sendak)



        On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM, prairiedog2332 <nelsarv@...> wrote:

        > **
        >
        >
        > Drilling an over-sized hole, filling it with goop and then drilling the
        > correct sized hole means that the edge grain of the plywood gets sealed.
        > So only applies to plywood for the most part.
        >
        > It is also very important to do this for any scupper openings or
        > self-draining end wells that are popular in Michalak and Bolger
        > designs. Try to seal any edge grain as best you can and make sure they
        > stay open. Dead leaves and dirt stuck in drains is not a good combo.
        > Nels
        >
        >
        > --- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, john colley <Helliconia54@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > its plastic! The drill wont know its there!
        > >
        > > �
        > > "There is magic in the feel of a paddle and the movement of a canoe, a
        > magic compounded of distance, adventure, solitude, and peace."
        > > -Sigurd Olson
        > >
        > >
        > > ________________________________
        > > From: Carl Volkwein carlvolkwein@...
        >
        > > To: "Michalak@yahoogroups.com" Michalak@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2012 9:38 AM
        > > Subject: Re: [Michalak] Re: Bow eye placement / support for Caroline
        > >
        > >
        > > �
        > > How hard is epoxy to drill through?
        > >
        >
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        >
        >
        >


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      • Joseph Stromski
        My course of action on a s&g boat like Caroline would be to beef up the fillet with milled fibers in the epoxy mix, and maybe use a wider than normal tape in
        Message 3 of 18 , Dec 3, 2012
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          My course of action on a s&g boat like Caroline would be to beef up the fillet
          with milled fibers in the epoxy mix, and maybe use a wider than normal tape in
          the bow area. Or reinforce with some scrap cloth. All in an effort to spread the
          load to a greater area. Then drill through the fillet, and use a stainless
          u-bolt and some sort of backing plate. 5/8 sounds overkill, I'd think a 3/8
          would suffice. Instead of Hajo's washer backing plate, I used a nylon cleat. It
          serves for tying off the anchor line or for mooring. I had to bore the holes out
          a little on the cleat, but the spacing was right for the u-bolt I used. As
          always, more than one way to skin this particular cat.
          Best,
          Joe
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          From: Hajo Smulders <hajosmulders@...>
          To: "Michalak@yahoogroups.com" <Michalak@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Mon, December 3, 2012 9:00:23 AM
          Subject: Re: [Michalak] Re: Bow eye placement / support for Caroline

          Using the oversized hole / epoxy technique, I will actually tap a thread
          into the epoxy and then back that with a backing plate or giant washer and
          a nut.

          Hajo
          --

          "I can’t believe I’ve turned into a typical old man. I can’t believe it. I
          was young just minutes ago..." (M. Sendak)



          On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM, prairiedog2332 <nelsarv@...> wrote:

          > **
          >
          >
          > Drilling an over-sized hole, filling it with goop and then drilling the
          > correct sized hole means that the edge grain of the plywood gets sealed.
          > So only applies to plywood for the most part.
          >
          > It is also very important to do this for any scupper openings or
          > self-draining end wells that are popular in Michalak and Bolger
          > designs. Try to seal any edge grain as best you can and make sure they
          > stay open. Dead leaves and dirt stuck in drains is not a good combo.
          > Nels
          >
          >
          > --- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, john colley <Helliconia54@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > its plastic! The drill wont know its there!
          > >
          > > Â
          > > "There is magic in the feel of a paddle and the movement of a canoe, a
          > magic compounded of distance, adventure, solitude, and peace."
          > > -Sigurd Olson
          > >
          > >
          > > ________________________________
          > > From: Carl Volkwein carlvolkwein@...
          >
          > > To: "Michalak@yahoogroups.com" Michalak@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2012 9:38 AM
          > > Subject: Re: [Michalak] Re: Bow eye placement / support for Caroline
          > >
          > >
          > > Â
          > > How hard is epoxy to drill through?
          > >
          >
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          >
          >
          >


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        • sharpie3444
          Consider winch heigth on the trailer! Consider glassing the inside of the hull and adding a cross piece to anchor the bolt (s) into to spread the loading of
          Message 4 of 18 , Dec 3, 2012
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            Consider winch heigth on the trailer! Consider glassing the inside of the hull and adding a cross piece to anchor the bolt (s) into to spread the loading of any strain / pull from the Bow eye

            David

            --- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, "okiebobby@..." <okiebobby@...> wrote:
            >
            > I'm looking for help on where to place the bow eye on Caroline, and how to support it.
            >
            > The sharp bow lines of Caroline and the other Toto prodigies, along with the taped seems, makes me concerned about ripping the bow eye through the hull when winching to the trailer.
            >
            > Could anybody with a heavier version of Toto (e.g. Caroline, Caprice, Cormorant...) provide some advice.
            >
            > Here is a link to to a picture of Pearl built by Duckworks Chuck, and currently listed for sale (for a song) by Honeymooners Chris & Cathy. [Both links go to the same photo, but sometimes these links don't do what you hope; so I'm using a belt and suspenders here]:
            >
            > http://c2cruising.blogspot.com/2012/10/loaded-up-and-ready-to-go.html
            >
            > http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yORKInUgfpg/UHbb5I4zzpI/AAAAAAAAAAc/eJhahu3E8Bg/s1600/sail+oklahoma+and+misc+005.JPG
            >
            > I know this boat has to be as tuff as nails since it has been threw hell and back. How is the bow eye supported? Are you pleased with it? How would you do it, if you had a do-over?
            >
            > I would like to go all out on bow eye support. Good enough for a truck commercial where they show unbelievable amounts of things being towed and hung from the air.
            >
          • Martin Houston
            I would add a wood stem, glass it in heavily & bolt her through with sealant. Could lift the whole boat with it. ________________________________ From:
            Message 5 of 18 , Dec 3, 2012
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              I would add a wood stem, glass it in heavily & bolt her through with sealant. Could lift the whole boat with it.



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              From: sharpie3444 <sharpie3444@...>
              To: Michalak@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:52 PM
              Subject: [Michalak] Re: Bow eye placement / support for Caroline


               

              Consider winch heigth on the trailer! Consider glassing the inside of the hull and adding a cross piece to anchor the bolt (s) into to spread the loading of any strain / pull from the Bow eye

              David

              --- In mailto:Michalak%40yahoogroups.com, "okiebobby@..." <okiebobby@...> wrote:
              >
              > I'm looking for help on where to place the bow eye on Caroline, and how to support it.
              >
              > The sharp bow lines of Caroline and the other Toto prodigies, along with the taped seems, makes me concerned about ripping the bow eye through the hull when winching to the trailer.
              >
              > Could anybody with a heavier version of Toto (e.g. Caroline, Caprice, Cormorant...) provide some advice.
              >
              > Here is a link to to a picture of Pearl built by Duckworks Chuck, and currently listed for sale (for a song) by Honeymooners Chris & Cathy. [Both links go to the same photo, but sometimes these links don't do what you hope; so I'm using a belt and suspenders here]:
              >
              > http://c2cruising.blogspot.com/2012/10/loaded-up-and-ready-to-go.html
              >
              > http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yORKInUgfpg/UHbb5I4zzpI/AAAAAAAAAAc/eJhahu3E8Bg/s1600/sail+oklahoma+and+misc+005.JPG
              >
              > I know this boat has to be as tuff as nails since it has been threw hell and back. How is the bow eye supported? Are you pleased with it? How would you do it, if you had a do-over?
              >
              > I would like to go all out on bow eye support. Good enough for a truck commercial where they show unbelievable amounts of things being towed and hung from the air.
              >




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