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  • popbravo
    Gary, Thanks for all the time and advice. I have ordered the Z220 today. We ll see where that takes us. Cordialmente, Michael Bravo
    Message 1 of 13 , Aug 4, 2013
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      Gary,
      Thanks for all the time and advice. I have ordered the Z220 today.
      We''ll see where that takes us.
      Cordialmente,
      Michael Bravo


      From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:22 PM
      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez

       
      Hi Michael,
      if you click on order an upgrade and look for SNP you will see that only Z220 is the only one available. The cost is 39 dollars.

      Saludos,
      Gary


      From: "popbravo@..." <popbravo@...>
      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 6:53 PM
      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez

       
      Gary,
      Are you saying I can/should test for these three possibilities, or is the test even available?
      Michael


      From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 5:58 PM
      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez

       
      You could be DF17 also.

      Gary


      From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:48 PM
      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez

       
      Hi Michael,
      on the project page you 155630 are Z196
      López Surname - DYS Markers
      ParticipantO
      r
      i
      g
      i
      n
      Y
      s
      e
      a
      r
      c
      h
      3
      9
      3
      3
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      1
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      3
      9
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      5
      a
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      b
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      3
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      9
      -
      1
      3
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      2
      3
      8
      9
      -
      2
      4
      5
      8
      4
      5
      9
      a
      4
      5
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      b
      4
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      a
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      d
      López, RudySemitic - J2,(M172+)132414101416111510131130....................................................
      López, GastonWest European - R1b122414111114121211141331....................................................
      López, BernardinoIberian - R1b-Z196 (xL176.2, M153)13241311111412121113142917091011112514182914151617

      From the DF27 branch of the haplogroup tree:


      you are negative at L176.2 so you could still be positive for Z294 and Z220.

      I couldn't find your name or email in the project so I found your kit number as you posted it in this email. 
      López, BernardinoPenjamo, Guanajuato Mexico>California. Haplogroup R1b. Most common origin in Spain and Europe. See these YDNA 9 marker Iberian matches in a - YHRD database search. Oldest Ydna ancestor - Bernardino Lopez b.circa 1850, Email Bernardino Lopez

      As we get more samples from Guanajuato I suspect a match will come up. 

      I don't match anyone either.

      Saludos,
      Gary

      From: "popbravo@..." <popbravo@...>
      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:38 PM
      Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez

       

      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: "popbravo@..." <popbravo@...>
      To: Armando ronebee <mexr1b@...>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:26 PM
      Subject: Re: Michael Bravo Lopez

      Armando & Gary,
       Thanks for the responses to my query. I do not seem to fit into any of the deep ancestry classifications posted by Gary.
      Someone else recently posted that all of their "close matches" are with folks of English/Irish/German ancestry. The same
      thing happens to me @ 12 markers. I know that does not mean much except for ancient dna, but I am puzzled that I don't
      seem to have any close matches with Spanish/Mexican testees. Am I understanding this correctly or am I simply not 
      getting it??
      Buen dia,
      Michael Bravo


      From: Armando ronebee <mexr1b@...>
      To: "popbravo@..." <popbravo@...>
      Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 1:27 PM
      Subject: Re: Michael Bravo Lopez

      Hello Michael,

      Thank you for contacting me. I greatly appreciate your comment. I found your kit number in the R1b-DF27 project. I went to the SNP tab under Y-DNA results and it provides all of the SNPs that you tested for which are -

      L176.2-, L21-, M126-, M153-, M160-, M173+, M18-, M207+, M222-, M269+, M343+, M37-, M65-, M73-, P107-, P25+, P312+, P66-, SRY2627-, U106-, U152-, U198-, Z196+

      A plus sign means the test was positive test and a minus sign means it tested negative.

      You tested positive for Z196 which is directly below DF27 so you are positive for DF27 because all other Z196 are positive for DF27.

      Here is a diagram of the DF27 tree

      https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-DF27_Descendency_Tree.jpg

      The whole R1b tree can be seen at http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html

      I am short on time at the moment so I will have to look into what else you can test for on another day.

      Hasta pronto,
      Armando
       

      From: "popbravo@..." <popbravo@...>
      To: "mexr1b@..." <mexr1b@...>
      Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:13 AM
      Subject: Michael Bravo Lopez

      Hello,
      In reference to your posted reply, I am sending you this info directly.
      I am impressed with your seeming in-depth knowledge of dna and 
      specifically about "Mexican dna". So I am providing you my kit #
      155630, and would greatly appreciate any/all advice, interpretation
      and recommendations for further testing.
      Buen dia,
      Michael
















    • garyf@pacbell.net
      Hi MikeLooks like you just came back positive, no? Gary ... MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com ... only Z220 is the only one available. The cost is 39 dollars.
      Message 2 of 13 , Sep 17, 2013
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        Hi Mike
        Looks like you just came back positive, no?

        Gary

        --- In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, popbravo@... wrote:
        >
        > Gary,
        > Thanks for all the time and advice. I have ordered the Z220 today.
        > We''ll see where that takes us.
        > Cordialmente,
        > Michael Bravo
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: Gary Felix garyf@...
        > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:22 PM
        > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
        >
        >
        >
        >  
        > Hi Michael,
        > if you click on order an upgrade and look for SNP you will see that only Z220 is the only one available. The cost is 39 dollars.
        >
        > Saludos,
        > Gary
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
        > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 6:53 PM
        > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
        >
        >
        >
        >  
        > Gary,
        > Are you saying I can/should test for these three possibilities, or is the test even available?

        From: Gary Felix garyf@...
        > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 5:58 PM
        > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
        >
        >
        >
        >  
        > You could be DF17 also.
        >
        > Gary
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: Gary Felix garyf@...
        > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:48 PM
        > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
        >
        >
        >
        >  
        > Hi Michael,
        > on the project page you 155630 are Z196
        > López Surname - DYS Markers
        > Participant O
        > r
        > i
        > g
        > i
        > n
        > Y
        > s
        > e
        > a
        > r
        > c
        > h
        > 3
        > 9
        > 3 3
        > 9
        > 0
        > 1
        > 9 3
        > 9
        > 1 3
        > 8
        > 5
        > a 3
        > 8
        > 5
        > b 4
        > 2
        > 6 3
        > 8
        > 8 4
        > 3
        > 9 3
        > 8
        > 9
        > -
        > 1 3
        > 9
        > 2 3
        > 8
        > 9
        > -
        > 2 4
        > 5
        > 8 4
        > 5
        > 9
        > a 4
        > 5
        > 9
        > b 4
        > 5
        > 5 4
        > 5
        > 4 4
        > 4
        > 7 4
        > 3
        > 7 4
        > 4
        > 8 4
        > 4
        > 9 4
        > 6
        > 4
        > a 4
        > 6
        > 4
        > b 4
        > 6
        > 4
        > c 4
        > 6
        > 4
        > d
        > López, Rudy Semitic - J2,(M172+) 13 24 14 10 14 16 11 15 10 13 11 30 .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
        > López, Gaston West European - R1b 12 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 14 13 31 .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
        > López, Bernardino Iberian - R1b-Z196 (xL176.2, M153) 13 24 13 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 14 29 17 09 10 11 11 25 14 18 29 14 15 16 17
        >
        > From the DF27 branch of the haplogroup tree:
        >
        >
        > you are negative at L176.2 so you could still be positive for Z294 and Z220.
        >
        > I couldn't find your name or email in the project so I found your kit number as you posted it in this email. 
        > López, Bernardino Penjamo, Guanajuato Mexico>California. Haplogroup R1b. Most common origin in Spain and Europe. See these YDNA 9 marker Iberian matches in a - YHRD database search. Oldest Ydna ancestor - Bernardino Lopez b.circa 1850, Email Bernardino Lopez
        >
        > As we get more samples from Guanajuato I suspect a match will come up. 
        >
        > I don't match anyone either.
        >
        > Saludos,
        > Gary
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
        > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:38 PM
        > Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
        >
        >
        >
        >  
        >
        >
        > ----- Forwarded Message -----
        > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
        > To: Armando ronebee mexr1b@...
        > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:26 PM
        > Subject: Re: Michael Bravo Lopez
        >
        >
        >
        > Armando & Gary,
        >  Thanks for the responses to my query. I do not seem to fit into any of the deep ancestry classifications posted by Gary.
        > Someone else recently posted that all of their "close matches" are with folks of English/Irish/German ancestry. The same
        > thing happens to me @ 12 markers. I know that does not mean much except for ancient dna, but I am puzzled that I don't
        > seem to have any close matches with Spanish/Mexican testees. Am I understanding this correctly or am I simply not 
        > getting it??
        > Buen dia,
        > Michael Bravo
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: Armando ronebee mexr1b@...
        > To: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
        > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 1:27 PM
        > Subject: Re: Michael Bravo Lopez
        >
        >
        >
        > Hello Michael,
        >
        > Thank you for contacting me. I greatly appreciate your comment. I found your kit number in the R1b-DF27 project. I went to the SNP tab under Y-DNA results and it provides all of the SNPs that you tested for which are -
        >
        > L176.2-, L21-, M126-, M153-, M160-, M173+, M18-, M207+, M222-, M269+,
        > M343+, M37-, M65-, M73-, P107-, P25+, P312+, P66-, SRY2627-, U106-,
        > U152-, U198-, Z196+
        >
        >
        >
      • popbravo
        Hi Gary, Yes, I saw the results today.  So now I am positive for Z220, what if anything does this tell us? What should I test next? Am I currently Basque??
        Message 3 of 13 , Sep 20, 2013
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          Hi Gary,
          Yes, I saw the results today.  So now I am positive for Z220, what if anything does this tell us? What should I test next? Am I currently Basque??
          Buenas,
          Michael


          From: "garyf@..." <garyf@...>
          To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:27 PM
          Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Re: Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez

           
          Hi Mike
          Looks like you just came back positive, no?

          Gary

          --- In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, popbravo@... wrote:
          >
          > Gary,
          > Thanks for all the time and advice. I have ordered the Z220 today.
          > We''ll see where that takes us.
          > Cordialmente,
          > Michael Bravo
          >
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: Gary Felix garyf@...
          > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:22 PM
          > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
          >
          >
          >
          >  
          > Hi Michael,
          > if you click on order an upgrade and look for SNP you will see that only Z220 is the only one available. The cost is 39 dollars.
          >
          > Saludos,
          > Gary
          >
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
          > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 6:53 PM
          > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
          >
          >
          >
          >  
          > Gary,
          > Are you saying I can/should test for these three possibilities, or is the test even available?

          From: Gary Felix garyf@...
          > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 5:58 PM
          > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
          >
          >
          >
          >  
          > You could be DF17 also.
          >
          > Gary
          >
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: Gary Felix garyf@...
          > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:48 PM
          > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
          >
          >
          >
          >  
          > Hi Michael,
          > on the project page you 155630 are Z196
          > López Surname - DYS Markers
          > Participant O
          > r
          > i
          > g
          > i
          > n
          > Y
          > s
          > e
          > a
          > r
          > c
          > h
          > 3
          > 9
          > 3 3
          > 9
          > 0
          > 1
          > 9 3
          > 9
          > 1 3
          > 8
          > 5
          > a 3
          > 8
          > 5
          > b 4
          > 2
          > 6 3
          > 8
          > 8 4
          > 3
          > 9 3
          > 8
          > 9
          > -
          > 1 3
          > 9
          > 2 3
          > 8
          > 9
          > -
          > 2 4
          > 5
          > 8 4
          > 5
          > 9
          > a 4
          > 5
          > 9
          > b 4
          > 5
          > 5 4
          > 5
          > 4 4
          > 4
          > 7 4
          > 3
          > 7 4
          > 4
          > 8 4
          > 4
          > 9 4
          > 6
          > 4
          > a 4
          > 6
          > 4
          > b 4
          > 6
          > 4
          > c 4
          > 6
          > 4
          > d
          > López, Rudy Semitic - J2,(M172+) 13 24 14 10 14 16 11 15 10 13 11 30 .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
          > López, Gaston West European - R1b 12 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 14 13 31 .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
          > López, Bernardino Iberian - R1b-Z196 (xL176.2, M153) 13 24 13 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 14 29 17 09 10 11 11 25 14 18 29 14 15 16 17
          >
          > From the DF27 branch of the haplogroup tree:
          >
          >
          > you are negative at L176.2 so you could still be positive for Z294 and Z220.
          >
          > I couldn't find your name or email in the project so I found your kit number as you posted it in this email. 
          > López, Bernardino Penjamo, Guanajuato Mexico>California. Haplogroup R1b. Most common origin in Spain and Europe. See these YDNA 9 marker Iberian matches in a - YHRD database search. Oldest Ydna ancestor - Bernardino Lopez b.circa 1850, Email Bernardino Lopez
          >
          > As we get more samples from Guanajuato I suspect a match will come up. 
          >
          > I don't match anyone either.
          >
          > Saludos,
          > Gary
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
          > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:38 PM
          > Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
          >
          >
          >
          >  
          >
          >
          > ----- Forwarded Message -----
          > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
          > To: Armando ronebee mexr1b@...
          > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:26 PM
          > Subject: Re: Michael Bravo Lopez
          >
          >
          >
          > Armando & Gary,
          >  Thanks for the responses to my query. I do not seem to fit into any of the deep ancestry classifications posted by Gary.
          > Someone else recently posted that all of their "close matches" are with folks of English/Irish/German ancestry. The same
          > thing happens to me @ 12 markers. I know that does not mean much except for ancient dna, but I am puzzled that I don't
          > seem to have any close matches with Spanish/Mexican testees. Am I understanding this correctly or am I simply not 
          > getting it??
          > Buen dia,
          > Michael Bravo
          >
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: Armando ronebee mexr1b@...
          > To: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
          > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 1:27 PM
          > Subject: Re: Michael Bravo Lopez
          >
          >
          >
          > Hello Michael,
          >
          > Thank you for contacting me. I greatly appreciate your comment. I found your kit number in the R1b-DF27 project. I went to the SNP tab under Y-DNA results and it provides all of the SNPs that you tested for which are -
          >
          > L176.2-, L21-, M126-, M153-, M160-, M173+, M18-, M207+, M222-, M269+,
          > M343+, M37-, M65-, M73-, P107-, P25+, P312+, P66-, SRY2627-, U106-,
          > U152-, U198-, Z196+
          >
          >
          >


        • garyf@pacbell.net
          Michael,R1b-P312 dominates Western Europe and DF27 should be the biggest representation given that the distribution shows founder effect in Iberia. By being
          Message 4 of 13 , Sep 21, 2013
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            Michael,
            R1b-P312 dominates Western Europe and DF27 should be the biggest representation given that the distribution shows  founder effect in Iberia.  By being positive for a downstream marker like Z220 you are eliminating a big chunk or R1b as more recent relatives.  Also we are learning more about the marker the more results we get. 

            Given the draft tree below, you could test at FTDNA for Z214, Z278, Z216 and L629. While these SNP's or Markers all appear to originate in the So France Northern Iberia area their dispersal is important to how they spread to the rest of Europe or if they stayed for the most part in the area more recently but still when the populations of Western Europe were relatively small.

            Saludos,
            Gary



            --- In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, popbravo@... wrote:
            >
            > Hi Gary,
            > Yes, I saw the results today.  So now I am positive for Z220, what if anything does this tell us? What should I test next? Am I currently Basque??
            > Buenas,
            > Michael
            >
            >
            > ________________________________
            > From: "garyf@..." garyf@...
            > To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:27 PM
            > Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Re: Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
            >
            >
            >
            >  
            > Hi Mike
            > Looks like you just came back positive, no?
            >
            > Gary
            >
            > --- In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, popbravo@ wrote:
            > >
            > > Gary,
            > > Thanks for all the time and advice. I have ordered the Z220 today.
            > > We''ll see where that takes us.
            > > Cordialmente,
            > > Michael Bravo
            > >
            > >
            > > ________________________________
            > > From: Gary Felix garyf@
            > > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:22 PM
            > > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
            > >
            > >
            > >

            > > Hi Michael,
            > > if you click on order an upgrade and look for SNP you will see that only Z220 is the only one available. The cost is 39 dollars.
            > >
            > > Saludos,
            > > Gary
            > >
            > >

          • Ragin, Diana
            Hello, I am so confused with all of these tests. I have always believed myself to be Spaniard, Mexican and Indian. However, my population finder makes no
            Message 5 of 13 , Sep 23, 2013
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              Hello,

               

              I am so confused with all of these tests.  I have always believed myself to be Spaniard, Mexican and Indian.  However, my population finder makes no mention that I am Spaniard or Mexican.  My Grandmother is Aurora Cordero, from Fresnillo Mexico.  Her mother Senorina Vasquez Borrego.  I am told that I am Russian and Finish, Mid Eastern, and Maya Indian.  The Russian, Finish and Mid Easter are large percentages with a margin of error of 11%.  What should  I make of this.  I am familiar with the past 5 generations of my Family and none are Russian, I do understand that it could be many generations back but for this not to find any Spaniard or Mexican in me seems highly unlikely that this test is correct.

               

              My kit number is 296354.  Also I have joined several projects including the Russian and the only ones I am matching to are Casa de Espana, Mexico, New Mexico, and Jalisco DNA project.  I think they are wrong.  But as I said I am new to this and don’t know a whole lot about.  I met an individual who I believe was a relative of my Grandfathers.  We decided to have our DNA checked and we are 2nd cousins.  This connected our two families which is why I decided to be tested.

               

              I appreciate any input you may be able to offer on my results.

               

              Thank you,

               

              Theresa Diana Baca Ragin (Ragin) married name.

               

              From: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of popbravo@...
              Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:19 PM
              To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Re: Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez

               

               

              Hi Gary,

              Yes, I saw the results today.  So now I am positive for Z220, what if anything does this tell us? What should I test next? Am I currently Basque??

              Buenas,

              Michael

               


              From: "garyf@..." <garyf@...>
              To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:27 PM
              Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Re: Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez

               

               

              Hi Mike

              Looks like you just came back positive, no?

               

              Gary


              --- In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, popbravo@... wrote:
              >
              > Gary,
              > Thanks for all the time and advice. I have ordered the Z220 today.
              > We''ll see where that takes us.
              > Cordialmente,
              > Michael Bravo
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: Gary Felix garyf@...
              > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:22 PM
              > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
              >
              >
              >
              >  
              > Hi Michael,
              > if you click on order an upgrade and look for SNP you will see that only Z220 is the only one available. The cost is 39 dollars.
              >
              > Saludos,
              > Gary
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
              > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 6:53 PM
              > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
              >
              >
              >
              >  
              > Gary,
              > Are you saying I can/should test for these three possibilities, or is the test even available?

               

              From: Gary Felix garyf@...
              > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 5:58 PM
              > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
              >
              >
              >
              >  
              > You could be DF17 also.
              >
              > Gary
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: Gary Felix garyf@...
              > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:48 PM
              > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
              >
              >
              >
              >  
              > Hi Michael,
              > on the project page you 155630 are Z196
              > López Surname - DYS Markers
              > Participant O
              > r
              > i
              > g
              > i
              > n
              > Y
              > s
              > e
              > a
              > r
              > c
              > h
              > 3
              > 9
              > 3 3
              > 9
              > 0
              > 1
              > 9 3
              > 9
              > 1 3
              > 8
              > 5
              > a 3
              > 8
              > 5
              > b 4
              > 2
              > 6 3
              > 8
              > 8 4
              > 3
              > 9 3
              > 8
              > 9
              > -
              > 1 3
              > 9
              > 2 3
              > 8
              > 9
              > -
              > 2 4
              > 5
              > 8 4
              > 5
              > 9
              > a 4
              > 5
              > 9
              > b 4
              > 5
              > 5 4
              > 5
              > 4 4
              > 4
              > 7 4
              > 3
              > 7 4
              > 4
              > 8 4
              > 4
              > 9 4
              > 6
              > 4
              > a 4
              > 6
              > 4
              > b 4
              > 6
              > 4
              > c 4
              > 6
              > 4
              > d
              > López, Rudy Semitic - J2,(M172+) 13 24 14 10 14 16 11 15 10 13 11 30 .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
              > López, Gaston West European - R1b 12 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 14 13 31 .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
              > López, Bernardino Iberian - R1b-Z196 (xL176.2, M153) 13 24 13 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 14 29 17 09 10 11 11 25 14 18 29 14 15 16 17
              >
              > From the DF27 branch of the haplogroup tree:
              >
              >
              > you are negative at L176.2 so you could still be positive for Z294 and Z220.
              >
              > I couldn't find your name or email in the project so I found your kit number as you posted it in this email. 
              > López, Bernardino Penjamo, Guanajuato Mexico>California. Haplogroup R1b. Most common origin in Spain and Europe. See these YDNA 9 marker Iberian matches in a - YHRD database search. Oldest Ydna ancestor - Bernardino Lopez b.circa 1850, Email Bernardino Lopez
              >
              > As we get more samples from Guanajuato I suspect a match will come up. 
              >
              > I don't match anyone either.
              >
              > Saludos,
              > Gary
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
              > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:38 PM
              > Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
              >
              >
              >
              >  
              >
              >
              > ----- Forwarded Message -----
              > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
              > To: Armando ronebee mexr1b@...
              > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:26 PM
              > Subject: Re: Michael Bravo Lopez
              >
              >
              >
              > Armando & Gary,
              >  Thanks for the responses to my query. I do not seem to fit into any of the deep ancestry classifications posted by Gary.
              > Someone else recently posted that all of their "close matches" are with folks of English/Irish/German ancestry. The same
              > thing happens to me @ 12 markers. I know that does not mean much except for ancient dna, but I am puzzled that I don't
              > seem to have any close matches with Spanish/Mexican testees. Am I understanding this correctly or am I simply not 
              > getting it??
              > Buen dia,
              > Michael Bravo
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: Armando ronebee mexr1b@...
              > To: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
              > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 1:27 PM
              > Subject: Re: Michael Bravo Lopez
              >
              >
              >
              > Hello Michael,
              >
              > Thank you for contacting me. I greatly appreciate your comment. I found your kit number in the R1b-DF27 project. I went to the SNP tab under Y-DNA results and it provides all of the SNPs that you tested for which are -
              >
              > L176.2-, L21-, M126-, M153-, M160-, M173+, M18-, M207+, M222-, M269+,
              > M343+, M37-, M65-, M73-, P107-, P25+, P312+, P66-, SRY2627-, U106-,
              > U152-, U198-, Z196+
              >
              >
              >

               

            • sangerjaime@...
              Could not open up images!! ... From: Ragin, Diana To: MexicoDNAProject Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2013
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                -----Original Message-----
                From: Ragin, Diana <Diana.Ragin@...>
                To: MexicoDNAProject <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2013 7:56 am
                Subject: RE: [MexicoDNAProject] Re: Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez

                 
                Hello,
                 
                I am so confused with all of these tests.  I have always believed myself to be Spaniard, Mexican and Indian.  However, my population finder makes no mention that I am Spaniard or Mexican.  My Grandmother is Aurora Cordero, from Fresnillo Mexico.  Her mother Senorina Vasquez Borrego.  I am told that I am Russian and Finish, Mid Eastern, and Maya Indian.  The Russian, Finish and Mid Easter are large percentages with a margin of error of 11%.  What should  I make of this.  I am familiar with the past 5 generations of my Family and none are Russian, I do understand that it could be many generations back but for this not to find any Spaniard or Mexican in me seems highly unlikely that this test is correct.
                 
                My kit number is 296354.  Also I have joined several projects including the Russian and the only ones I am matching to are Casa de Espana, Mexico, New Mexico, and Jalisco DNA project.  I think they are wrong.  But as I said I am new to this and don’t know a whole lot about.  I met an individual who I believe was a relative of my Grandfathers.  We decided to have our DNA checked and we are 2nd cousins.  This connected our two families which is why I decided to be tested.
                 
                I appreciate any input you may be able to offer on my results.
                 
                Thank you,
                 
                Theresa Diana Baca Ragin (Ragin) married name.
                 
                From: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of popbravo@...
                Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:19 PM
                To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Re: Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
                 
                 
                Hi Gary,
                Yes, I saw the results today.  So now I am positive for Z220, what if anything does this tell us? What should I test next? Am I currently Basque??
                Buenas,
                Michael
                 

                From: "garyf@..." <garyf@...>
                To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:27 PM
                Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Re: Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
                 
                 
                Hi Mike
                Looks like you just came back positive, no?
                 
                Gary

                --- In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, popbravo@... wrote:
                >
                > Gary,
                > Thanks for all the time and advice. I have ordered the Z220 today.
                > We''ll see where that takes us.
                > Cordialmente,
                > Michael Bravo
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: Gary Felix garyf@...
                > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:22 PM
                > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
                >
                >
                >
                >  
                > Hi Michael,
                > if you click on order an upgrade and look for SNP you will see that only Z220 is the only one available. The cost is 39 dollars.
                >
                > Saludos,
                > Gary
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
                > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 6:53 PM
                > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
                >
                >
                >
                >  
                > Gary,
                > Are you saying I can/should test for these three possibilities, or is the test even available?
                 
                From: Gary Felix garyf@...
                > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 5:58 PM
                > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
                >
                >
                >
                >  
                > You could be DF17 also.
                >
                > Gary
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: Gary Felix garyf@...
                > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:48 PM
                > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
                >
                >
                >
                >  
                > Hi Michael,
                > on the project page you 155630 are Z196
                > López Surname - DYS Markers
                > Participant O
                > r
                > i
                > g
                > i
                > n
                > Y
                > s
                > e
                > a
                > r
                > c
                > h
                > 3
                > 9
                > 3 3
                > 9
                > 0
                > 1
                > 9 3
                > 9
                > 1 3
                > 8
                > 5
                > a 3
                > 8
                > 5
                > b 4
                > 2
                > 6 3
                > 8
                > 8 4
                > 3
                > 9 3
                > 8
                > 9
                > -
                > 1 3
                > 9
                > 2 3
                > 8
                > 9
                > -
                > 2 4
                > 5
                > 8 4
                > 5
                > 9
                > a 4
                > 5
                > 9
                > b 4
                > 5
                > 5 4
                > 5
                > 4 4
                > 4
                > 7 4
                > 3
                > 7 4
                > 4
                > 8 4
                > 4
                > 9 4
                > 6
                > 4
                > a 4
                > 6
                > 4
                > b 4
                > 6
                > 4
                > c 4
                > 6
                > 4
                > d
                > López, Rudy Semitic - J2,(M172+) 13 24 14 10 14 16 11 15 10 13 11 30 .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
                > López, Gaston West European - R1b 12 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 14 13 31 .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
                > López, Bernardino Iberian - R1b-Z196 (xL176.2, M153) 13 24 13 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 14 29 17 09 10 11 11 25 14 18 29 14 15 16 17
                >
                > From the DF27 branch of the haplogroup tree:
                >
                >
                > you are negative at L176.2 so you could still be positive for Z294 and Z220.
                >
                > I couldn't find your name or email in the project so I found your kit number as you posted it in this email. 
                > López, Bernardino Penjamo, Guanajuato Mexico>California. Haplogroup R1b. Most common origin in Spain and Europe. See these YDNA 9 marker Iberian matches in a - YHRD database search. Oldest Ydna ancestor - Bernardino Lopez b.circa 1850, Email Bernardino Lopez
                >
                > As we get more samples from Guanajuato I suspect a match will come up. 
                >
                > I don't match anyone either.
                >
                > Saludos,
                > Gary
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
                > To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:38 PM
                > Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez
                >
                >
                >
                >  
                >
                >
                > ----- Forwarded Message -----
                > From: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
                > To: Armando ronebee mexr1b@...
                > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:26 PM
                > Subject: Re: Michael Bravo Lopez
                >
                >
                >
                > Armando & Gary,
                >  Thanks for the responses to my query. I do not seem to fit into any of the deep ancestry classifications posted by Gary.
                > Someone else recently posted that all of their "close matches" are with folks of English/Irish/German ancestry. The same
                > thing happens to me @ 12 markers. I know that does not mean much except for ancient dna, but I am puzzled that I don't
                > seem to have any close matches with Spanish/Mexican testees. Am I understanding this correctly or am I simply not 
                > getting it??
                > Buen dia,
                > Michael Bravo
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: Armando ronebee mexr1b@...
                > To: "popbravo@..." popbravo@...
                > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 1:27 PM
                > Subject: Re: Michael Bravo Lopez
                >
                >
                >
                > Hello Michael,
                >
                > Thank you for contacting me. I greatly appreciate your comment. I found your kit number in the R1b-DF27 project. I went to the SNP tab under Y-DNA results and it provides all of the SNPs that you tested for which are -
                >
                > L176.2-, L21-, M126-, M153-, M160-, M173+, M18-, M207+, M222-, M269+,
                > M343+, M37-, M65-, M73-, P107-, P25+, P312+, P66-, SRY2627-, U106-,
                > U152-, U198-, Z196+
                >
                >
                >
                 

              • Linda
                I think your results are showing you where your ancestors came from before they settled in Spain. Maya Indian is your native Mexican. Don t be so worried
                Message 7 of 13 , Sep 24, 2013
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                  I think your results are showing you where your ancestors came from before they settled in Spain. Maya Indian is your native Mexican. Don't be so worried about your origins. It sounds like a beautiful mix. It gives you a lot of insight into your ancestry and why you look like you do.

                  For example, my father's family has been paper traced to the 1600's in Jalisco, Mexico. My mother is not Mexican My DNA mix is 90% European, 6 ½% Native American (this is Mexican), 0.9% a mix of Middle Eastern, Sub-Saharan African and North African. Because of my paper trail there is no doubt my father is Mexican. He is of European and Mediterranean descent. There were many peoples from many places who settled in Spain over the eons. That's not to say they weren't Spanish. My father's Haplogroup is J2b1. His family came from Spain.
                • Ragin, Diana
                  Linda, Thank you, I had spoken to them and they explained it was deep ancestry. It was just so strange to have such high levels 39% Russian/Finish margin of
                  Message 8 of 13 , Sep 24, 2013
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                    Linda,

                     

                    Thank you, I had spoken to them and they explained it was deep ancestry.  It was just so strange to have such high levels 39% Russian/Finish margin of error 12.0%,  28% Mid Eastern margin of error 11.5%, and 32 Maya margin of error 1.02%.  I agree it is a great mix.  My Haplogroup is C.  I joined several projects and the ones I match with is Mexico, Casa de Espana, and New Mexico.

                     

                    To the group:  My Grandmother Aurora Cordero is from Fresnillo Zacatecas Mexico.  I would like to know how I can get a certified copy of her birth record.  I have found it on the Family Search website.  Her death certificate lists her father as Aurelio Cordova when he is Aurellio Cordero and does not list her mother Zenorina Vasquez Borrego.  My Grandmother passed away in Colorado. I would love to get this corrected but was told that I need proof.   

                     

                    Family Search Record.

                    Aurora Cordero, June 18, 1894, Fresnillo, Zacatecas, Mexico.  I

                     

                    MEXICO, ZACATECAS,  CIVIL REGISTRATIONS 1860-2000 , NACIMIENTOS -1892-1894 TOTAL IMAGES-528.  Record is image # 438 of 528

                     

                    Record reads in part:  Comparecio Aurelio Cordero , soletero, mayor de edad,  su hija natural, y que le pone for nombre , Aurora Cordero, que la... Zenorina Vasquez Borrego, de esta ...

                     

                     

                    Thank you,

                    Theresa Diana Baca Ragin

                     

                    From: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda
                    Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:34 AM
                    To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Re: Fw: Michael Bravo Lopez

                     

                     

                    I think your results are showing you where your ancestors came from before they settled in Spain. Maya Indian is your native Mexican. Don't be so worried about your origins. It sounds like a beautiful mix. It gives you a lot of insight into your ancestry and why you look like you do.

                    For example, my father's family has been paper traced to the 1600's in Jalisco, Mexico. My mother is not Mexican My DNA mix is 90% European, 6 ½% Native American (this is Mexican), 0.9% a mix of Middle Eastern, Sub-Saharan African and North African. Because of my paper trail there is no doubt my father is Mexican. He is of European and Mediterranean descent. There were many peoples from many places who settled in Spain over the eons. That's not to say they weren't Spanish. My father's Haplogroup is J2b1. His family came from Spain.

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