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  • Alicia Carrillo
    Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it s a bit more comprehensive, although I m far from an authority on DNA, I would
    Message 1 of 28 , May 6, 2014
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      Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice.

      These are my ethnic classifications.

      European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy.
      New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
      East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
      Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate
      African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?)
      East Afroasiatic 2%
      North African Coastlands 1 %

      Alicia
    • Gary Felix
      Hi Alicia, ... Yes in addition to East Asian. ... The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE
      Message 2 of 28 , May 7, 2014
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        Hi Alicia,
        >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
        Yes in addition to East Asian.

        >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
        The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

        >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

        >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

        Gary
        Mexico DNA Project Admin.

        From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
        To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
        Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

         
        Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice.

        These are my ethnic classifications.

        European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy.
        New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
        East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
        Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate
        African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?)
        East Afroasiatic 2%
        North African Coastlands 1 %

        Alicia


      • JOEL SR
        Halo: Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool? How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes
        Message 3 of 28 , May 7, 2014
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          Halo:

          Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

          How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

          What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

          Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

          Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

          My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

          GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

          r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

          I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

          Any comments are requested for input.      

            
          Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
          From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
          To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
          Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
           
          Hi Alicia,
          >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
          Yes in addition to East Asian.

          >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
          The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

          >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

          >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

          Gary
          Mexico DNA Project Admin.
          From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
          To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
          Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

           
          Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

          Alicia
        • Teddi Montes
          I have recently tested 2 Native Americans/First Nation w FTDNA. One is Pai Pai and the other Kumiyaay-BOTH in Mexico. Still waiting on the second s results
          Message 4 of 28 , May 7, 2014
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            I have recently tested 2 Native Americans/First Nation w FTDNA.  One is Pai Pai and the other Kumiyaay-BOTH in Mexico.  Still waiting on the second's results but the Pai Pai  elder came back at 74% NA, European abt 23%, the rest  Yakut, east Asia.....y and mtdna on order. 

            I will be returning to the area in the fall and do more trees and testing. 

            Teddi Montes


             

             

            Halo:

            Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

            How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

            What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

            Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

            Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

            My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

            GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

            r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

            I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

            Any comments are requested for input.      

              
            Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
            From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
            To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
            Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
             
            Hi Alicia,
            >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
            Yes in addition to East Asian.

            >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
            The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

            >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

            >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

            Gary
            Mexico DNA Project Admin.
            From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
            To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
            Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

             
            Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

            Alicia


          • Joel Peres
            Hi Teddi What kind of European did the Native American come back as? Thanks! ᐧ ... Hi Teddi What kind of European did the Native American come back as?
            Message 5 of 28 , May 7, 2014
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              Hi Teddi
              What kind of European did the Native American come back as?
              Thanks!


              On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Teddi Montes <o2bnbaja@...> wrote:
               

              I have recently tested 2 Native Americans/First Nation w FTDNA.  One is Pai Pai and the other Kumiyaay-BOTH in Mexico.  Still waiting on the second's results but the Pai Pai  elder came back at 74% NA, European abt 23%, the rest  Yakut, east Asia.....y and mtdna on order. 


              I will be returning to the area in the fall and do more trees and testing. 

              Teddi Montes


               

               

              Halo:

              Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

              How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

              What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

              Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

              Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

              My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

              GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

              r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

              I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

              Any comments are requested for input.      

                
              Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
              From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
              To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
              Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
               
              Hi Alicia,
              >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
              Yes in addition to East Asian.

              >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
              The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

              >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

              >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

              Gary
              Mexico DNA Project Admin.
              From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
              To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
              Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

               
              Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice.These are my ethnic classifications.European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy.New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic PlateAfrican - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?)East Afroasiatic 2%North African Coastlands 1 %

              Alicia



            • Teddi Montes
              With my two test kits from Mexico. they now have ONE Kumiyaay and ONE Pai Pai....more in the fall as I will be adding Kiliwa and others to the database. Teddi
              Message 6 of 28 , May 7, 2014
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                With my two test kits from Mexico. they now have ONE Kumiyaay and ONE Pai Pai....more in the fall as I will be adding Kiliwa and others to the database.

                Teddi Montes


                On May 7, 2014, at 8:00 AM, JOEL SR wrote:

                 

                Halo:

                Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                Any comments are requested for input.      

                  
                Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                 
                Hi Alicia,
                >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                Yes in addition to East Asian.

                >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                Gary
                Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                 
                Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                Alicia


              • Joel Peres
                Hi Teddi What kind of European did the Native American come back as? Thanks! ᐧ ... Hi Teddi What kind of European did the Native American come back as?
                Message 7 of 28 , May 7, 2014
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                  Hi Teddi
                  What kind of European did the Native American come back as?
                  Thanks!


                  On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Teddi Montes <o2bnbaja@...> wrote:
                   

                  With my two test kits from Mexico. they now have ONE Kumiyaay and ONE Pai Pai....more in the fall as I will be adding Kiliwa and others to the database.


                  Teddi Montes


                  On May 7, 2014, at 8:00 AM, JOEL SR wrote:

                   

                  Halo:

                  Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                  How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                  What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                  Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                  Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                  My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                  GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                  r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                  I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                  Any comments are requested for input.      

                    
                  Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                  From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                  To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                  Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                   
                  Hi Alicia,
                  >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                  Yes in addition to East Asian.

                  >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                  The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                  >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                  >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                  Gary
                  Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                  From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                  To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                  Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                   
                  Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice.These are my ethnic classifications.European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy.New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic PlateAfrican - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?)East Afroasiatic 2%North African Coastlands 1 %

                  Alicia



                • Gary Felix
                  Hello Joel K., FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations. If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP
                  Message 8 of 28 , May 7, 2014
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                    Hello Joel K.,
                    FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                    If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                    Gary


                    From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                    To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                     
                    Halo:

                    Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                    How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                    What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                    Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                    Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                    My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                    GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                    r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                    I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                    Any comments are requested for input.      

                      
                    Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                    From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                    To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                     
                    Hi Alicia,
                    >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                    Yes in addition to East Asian.

                    >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                    The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                    >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                    >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                    Gary
                    Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                    From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                    To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                    Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                     
                    Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                    Alicia


                  • JOEL SR
                    Gary: What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians? Same question for Central and South America
                    Message 9 of 28 , May 7, 2014
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                      Gary:

                      What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                      Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                      Vadim:

                      Thank you for your response.

                      I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                      Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                      To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                      My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                      The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                      Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                      What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                      I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                      Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                      What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                      What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                      Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                      The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                      Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                      Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                      My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                      Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                      Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                      Population  
                      North_Sea34.36%
                      Atlantic27.79%
                      Baltic9.68%
                      Eastern_Euro8.73%
                      West_Med11.23%
                      West_Asian3.94%
                      East_Med1.27%
                      Red_Sea0.49%
                      South_Asian-    
                      Southeast_Asian-    
                      Siberian-    
                      Amerindian1.34%
                      Oceanian0.32%
                      Northeast_African0.86%
                      Sub-Saharan-    

                      They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                      Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                      Population  
                      North_Sea34.36%
                      Atlantic27.79%
                      Baltic9.68%
                      Eastern_Euro8.73%
                      West_Med11.23%
                      West_Asian3.94%
                      East_Med1.27%
                      Red_Sea0.49%
                      South_Asian-    
                      Southeast_Asian-    
                      Siberian-    
                      Amerindian1.34%
                      Oceanian0.32%
                      Northeast_African0.86%
                      Sub-Saharan
                      -    
                       Eurogenes K13 model

                       

                      Population  
                      North_Atlantic46.84%
                      Baltic23.39%
                      West_Med15.51%
                      West_Asian6.26%
                      East_Med3.63%
                      Red_Sea1.00%
                      South_Asian-    
                      East_Asian-    
                      Siberian-    
                      Amerindian1.87%
                      Oceanian0.54%
                      Northeast_African0.97%
                      Sub-Saharan-    

                      There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                      MDLP Project MDLP World Indian-East
                      MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                      MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                      MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                      MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                      MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                      MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                      Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                      Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                      Eurogenes EUtest South_Indian
                      Eurogenes Jtest South_Indian
                      Dodecad Dodecad K12b Indian
                      Dodecad Dodecad K7b Indian
                      Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                      Dodecad World9 Indian
                      HarappaWorld HarappaWorld caribbean-indian
                      HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                      HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                      HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                      HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-d
                      HarappaWorld HarappaWorld south-african-indian

                      What about the ones with
                      Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                      Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                       
                      North_Sea
                      34.36%
                      Atlantic
                      27.79%
                      Baltic
                      9.68%
                      Eastern_Euro
                      8.73%
                      West_Med
                      11.23%
                      West_Asian
                      3.94%
                      East_Med
                      1.27%
                      Red_Sea
                      0.49%
                      South_Asian
                      -
                      Southeast_Asian
                      -
                      Siberian
                      -
                      Amerindian
                      1.34%
                      Oceanian
                      0.32%
                      Northeast_African
                      0.86%
                      Sub-Saharan
                      -
                       
                      Population
                      North_Atlantic
                      46.84%
                      Baltic
                      23.39%
                      West_Med
                      15.51%
                      West_Asian
                      6.26%
                      East_Med
                      3.63%
                      Red_Sea
                      1.00%
                      South_Asian
                      -
                      East_Asian
                      -
                      Siberian
                      -
                      Amerindian
                      1.87%
                      Oceanian
                      0.54%
                      Northeast_African
                      0.97%
                      Sub-Saharan
                      -
                       
                      Population
                      S-Indian
                      -
                      Baloch
                      10.38%
                      Caucasian
                      7.25%
                      NE-Euro
                      47.13%
                      SE-Asian
                      -
                      Siberian
                      -
                      NE-Asian
                      -
                      Papuan
                      -
                      American
                      1.12%
                      Beringian
                      -
                      Mediterranean
                      32.78%
                      SW-Asian
                      0.84%
                      San
                      0.32%
                      E-African
                      -
                      Pygmy
                      -
                      W-African
                      0.15%
                       
                       
                      Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                      From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                       
                      Hello Joel K.,
                      FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                      If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                      Gary

                      From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                       
                      Halo:

                      Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                      How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                      What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                      Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                      Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                      My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                      GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                      r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                      I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                      Any comments are requested for input.      

                        
                      Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                      From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                       
                      Hi Alicia,
                      >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                      Yes in addition to East Asian.

                      >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                      The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                      >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                      >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                      Gary
                      Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                      From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                      To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                      Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                       
                      Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                      Alicia
                    • Teddi Montes
                      Gary and all-Mexico is a part of North America and there are still tribes that today go back and forth across that political border as in the Pai Pai,
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                        Gary and all-Mexico is a part of North America and there are still tribes that today go back and forth across that political border as in the Pai Pai, Kumiyaay, Cucupah, Yaqui and others.  For many years it was a problem for some but now with the right paperwork, these families can visit each other as in the past.

                        Teddi Montes
                        The Californio DNA Project/El Proyecto de ADN de los Californios




                        On May 7, 2014, at 3:42 PM, JOEL SR wrote:

                         

                        Gary:

                        What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                        Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                        Vadim:

                        Thank you for your response.

                        I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                        Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                        To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                        My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                        The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                        Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                        What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                        I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                        Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                        What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                        What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                        Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                        The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                        Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                        Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                        My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                        Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                        Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                        Population  
                        North_Sea34.36%
                        Atlantic27.79%
                        Baltic9.68%
                        Eastern_Euro8.73%
                        West_Med11.23%
                        West_Asian3.94%
                        East_Med1.27%
                        Red_Sea0.49%
                        South_Asian-    
                        Southeast_Asian-    
                        Siberian-    
                        Amerindian1.34%
                        Oceanian0.32%
                        Northeast_African0.86%
                        Sub-Saharan-    

                        They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                        Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                        Population  
                        North_Sea34.36%
                        Atlantic27.79%
                        Baltic9.68%
                        Eastern_Euro8.73%
                        West_Med11.23%
                        West_Asian3.94%
                        East_Med1.27%
                        Red_Sea0.49%
                        South_Asian-    
                        Southeast_Asian-    
                        Siberian-    
                        Amerindian1.34%
                        Oceanian0.32%
                        Northeast_African0.86%
                        Sub-Saharan
                        -    
                         Eurogenes K13 model

                         

                        Population  
                        North_Atlantic46.84%
                        Baltic23.39%
                        West_Med15.51%
                        West_Asian6.26%
                        East_Med3.63%
                        Red_Sea1.00%
                        South_Asian-    
                        East_Asian-    
                        Siberian-    
                        Amerindian1.87%
                        Oceanian0.54%
                        Northeast_African0.97%
                        Sub-Saharan-    

                        There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                        MDLP Project MDLP World Indian-East
                        MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                        MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                        MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                        MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                        MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                        MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                        Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                        Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                        Eurogenes EUtest South_Indian
                        Eurogenes Jtest South_Indian
                        Dodecad Dodecad K12b Indian
                        Dodecad Dodecad K7b Indian
                        Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                        Dodecad World9 Indian
                        HarappaWorld HarappaWorld caribbean-indian
                        HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                        HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                        HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                        HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-d
                        HarappaWorld HarappaWorld south-african-indian

                        What about the ones with
                        Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                        Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                         
                        North_Sea
                        34.36%
                        Atlantic
                        27.79%
                        Baltic
                        9.68%
                        Eastern_Euro
                        8.73%
                        West_Med
                        11.23%
                        West_Asian
                        3.94%
                        East_Med
                        1.27%
                        Red_Sea
                        0.49%
                        South_Asian
                        -
                        Southeast_Asian
                        -
                        Siberian
                        -
                        Amerindian
                        1.34%
                        Oceanian
                        0.32%
                        Northeast_African
                        0.86%
                        Sub-Saharan
                        -
                         
                        Population
                        North_Atlantic
                        46.84%
                        Baltic
                        23.39%
                        West_Med
                        15.51%
                        West_Asian
                        6.26%
                        East_Med
                        3.63%
                        Red_Sea
                        1.00%
                        South_Asian
                        -
                        East_Asian
                        -
                        Siberian
                        -
                        Amerindian
                        1.87%
                        Oceanian
                        0.54%
                        Northeast_African
                        0.97%
                        Sub-Saharan
                        -
                         
                        Population
                        S-Indian
                        -
                        Baloch
                        10.38%
                        Caucasian
                        7.25%
                        NE-Euro
                        47.13%
                        SE-Asian
                        -
                        Siberian
                        -
                        NE-Asian
                        -
                        Papuan
                        -
                        American
                        1.12%
                        Beringian
                        -
                        Mediterranean
                        32.78%
                        SW-Asian
                        0.84%
                        San
                        0.32%
                        E-African
                        -
                        Pygmy
                        -
                        W-African
                        0.15%
                         
                         
                        Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                        From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                        To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                        Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                         
                        Hello Joel K.,
                        FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                        If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                        Gary

                        From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                        To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                        Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                         
                        Halo:

                        Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                        How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                        What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                        Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                        Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                        My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                        GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                        r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                        I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                        Any comments are requested for input.      

                          
                        Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                        From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                        To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                        Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                         
                        Hi Alicia,
                        >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                        Yes in addition to East Asian.

                        >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                        The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                        >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                        >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                        Gary
                        Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                        From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                        To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                        Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                         
                        Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                        Alicia


                      • sangerjaime@...
                        Teddi, Not to get political, but now I know why I never felt as though I was illegal......... Jaime Rendon Hernandez ... From: Teddi Montes
                        Message 11 of 28 , May 7, 2014
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                          Teddi,

                          Not to get political, but now I know why I never  felt as though I was illegal.........

                          Jaime Rendon Hernandez



                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: Teddi Montes <o2bnbaja@...>
                          To: MexicoDNAProject <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Wed, May 7, 2014 8:24 pm
                          Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                           
                          Gary and all-Mexico is a part of North America and there are still tribes that today go back and forth across that political border as in the Pai Pai, Kumiyaay, Cucupah, Yaqui and others.  For many years it was a problem for some but now with the right paperwork, these families can visit each other as in the past.

                          Teddi Montes
                          The Californio DNA Project/El Proyecto de ADN de los Californios




                          On May 7, 2014, at 3:42 PM, JOEL SR wrote:

                           

                          Gary:

                          What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                          Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                          Vadim:

                          Thank you for your response.

                          I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                          Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                          To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                          My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                          The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                          Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                          What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                          I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                          Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                          What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                          What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                          Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                          The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                          Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                          Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                          My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                          Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                          Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                          Population  
                          North_Sea34.36%
                          Atlantic27.79%
                          Baltic9.68%
                          Eastern_Euro8.73%
                          West_Med11.23%
                          West_Asian3.94%
                          East_Med1.27%
                          Red_Sea0.49%
                          South_Asian-    
                          Southeast_Asian-    
                          Siberian-    
                          Amerindian1.34%
                          Oceanian0.32%
                          Northeast_African0.86%
                          Sub-Saharan-    

                          They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                          Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                          Population  
                          North_Sea34.36%
                          Atlantic27.79%
                          Baltic9.68%
                          Eastern_Euro8.73%
                          West_Med11.23%
                          West_Asian3.94%
                          East_Med1.27%
                          Red_Sea0.49%
                          South_Asian-    
                          Southeast_Asian-    
                          Siberian-    
                          Amerindian1.34%
                          Oceanian0.32%
                          Northeast_African0.86%
                          Sub-Saharan
                          -    
                           Eurogenes K13 model

                           

                          Population  
                          North_Atlantic46.84%
                          Baltic23.39%
                          West_Med15.51%
                          West_Asian6.26%
                          East_Med3.63%
                          Red_Sea1.00%
                          South_Asian-    
                          East_Asian-    
                          Siberian-    
                          Amerindian1.87%
                          Oceanian0.54%
                          Northeast_African0.97%
                          Sub-Saharan-    

                          There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                          MDLP Project MDLP World Indian-East
                          MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                          MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                          MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                          MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                          MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                          MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                          Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                          Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                          Eurogenes EUtest South_Indian
                          Eurogenes Jtest South_Indian
                          Dodecad Dodecad K12b Indian
                          Dodecad Dodecad K7b Indian
                          Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                          Dodecad World9 Indian
                          HarappaWorld HarappaWorld caribbean-indian
                          HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                          HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                          HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                          HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-d
                          HarappaWorld HarappaWorld south-african-indian

                          What about the ones with
                          Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                          Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                           
                          North_Sea
                          34.36%
                          Atlantic
                          27.79%
                          Baltic
                          9.68%
                          Eastern_Euro
                          8.73%
                          West_Med
                          11.23%
                          West_Asian
                          3.94%
                          East_Med
                          1.27%
                          Red_Sea
                          0.49%
                          South_Asian
                          -
                          Southeast_Asian
                          -
                          Siberian
                          -
                          Amerindian
                          1.34%
                          Oceanian
                          0.32%
                          Northeast_African
                          0.86%
                          Sub-Saharan
                          -
                           
                          Population

                          North_Atlantic
                          46.84%
                          Baltic
                          23.39%
                          West_Med
                          15.51%
                          West_Asian
                          6.26%
                          East_Med
                          3.63%
                          Red_Sea
                          1.00%
                          South_Asian
                          -
                          East_Asian
                          -
                          Siberian
                          -
                          Amerindian
                          1.87%
                          Oceanian
                          0.54%
                          Northeast_African
                          0.97%
                          Sub-Saharan
                          -
                           
                          Population

                          S-Indian
                          -
                          Baloch
                          10.38%
                          Caucasian
                          7.25%
                          NE-Euro
                          47.13%
                          SE-Asian
                          -
                          Siberian
                          -
                          NE-Asian
                          -
                          Papuan
                          -
                          American
                          1.12%
                          Beringian
                          -
                          Mediterranean
                          32.78%
                          SW-Asian
                          0.84%
                          San
                          0.32%
                          E-African
                          -
                          Pygmy
                          -
                          W-African
                          0.15%
                           
                           
                          Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                          From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                          To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                          Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                           
                          Hello Joel K.,
                          FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                          If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                          Gary

                          From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                          To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                          Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                           
                          Halo:

                          Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                          How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                          What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                          Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                          Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                          My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                          GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                          r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                          I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                          Any comments are requested for input.      

                            
                          Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                          From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                          To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                          Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                           
                          Hi Alicia,
                          >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                          Yes in addition to East Asian.

                          >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                          The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                          >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                          >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                          Gary
                          Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                          From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                          To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                          Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                           
                          Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                          Alicia


                        • Gary Felix
                          Teddi, I mentioned Gedmatch s MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle because it is showing percentages from NA tribes in Calif. and baja Calif. for me which would
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                            Teddi,
                            I mentioned Gedmatch's MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle because it is showing percentages from NA tribes in Calif. and baja Calif. for me which would best reflect my Father's side of the family in Sonora. I was wondering if this utility was accurate in others as well for NA ancestry.

                            Gary


                            From: Teddi Montes <o2bnbaja@...>
                            To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:24 PM
                            Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                             
                            Gary and all-Mexico is a part of North America and there are still tribes that today go back and forth across that political border as in the Pai Pai, Kumiyaay, Cucupah, Yaqui and others.  For many years it was a problem for some but now with the right paperwork, these families can visit each other as in the past.

                            Teddi Montes
                            The Californio DNA Project/El Proyecto de ADN de los Californios




                            On May 7, 2014, at 3:42 PM, JOEL SR wrote:

                             

                            Gary:

                            What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                            Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                            Vadim:

                            Thank you for your response.

                            I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                            Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                            To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                            My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                            The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                            Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                            What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                            I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                            Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                            What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                            What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                            Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                            The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                            Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                            Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                            My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                            Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                            Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                            Population  
                            North_Sea34.36%
                            Atlantic27.79%
                            Baltic9.68%
                            Eastern_Euro8.73%
                            West_Med11.23%
                            West_Asian3.94%
                            East_Med1.27%
                            Red_Sea0.49%
                            South_Asian-    
                            Southeast_Asian-    
                            Siberian-    
                            Amerindian1.34%
                            Oceanian0.32%
                            Northeast_African0.86%
                            Sub-Saharan-    

                            They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                            Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                            Population  
                            North_Sea34.36%
                            Atlantic27.79%
                            Baltic9.68%
                            Eastern_Euro8.73%
                            West_Med11.23%
                            West_Asian3.94%
                            East_Med1.27%
                            Red_Sea0.49%
                            South_Asian-    
                            Southeast_Asian-    
                            Siberian-    
                            Amerindian1.34%
                            Oceanian0.32%
                            Northeast_African0.86%
                            Sub-Saharan
                            -    
                             Eurogenes K13 model

                             

                            Population  
                            North_Atlantic46.84%
                            Baltic23.39%
                            West_Med15.51%
                            West_Asian6.26%
                            East_Med3.63%
                            Red_Sea1.00%
                            South_Asian-    
                            East_Asian-    
                            Siberian-    
                            Amerindian1.87%
                            Oceanian0.54%
                            Northeast_African0.97%
                            Sub-Saharan-    

                            There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                            MDLP Project MDLP World Indian-East
                            MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                            MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                            MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                            MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                            MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                            MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                            Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                            Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                            Eurogenes EUtest South_Indian
                            Eurogenes Jtest South_Indian
                            Dodecad Dodecad K12b Indian
                            Dodecad Dodecad K7b Indian
                            Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                            Dodecad World9 Indian
                            HarappaWorld HarappaWorld caribbean-indian
                            HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                            HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                            HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                            HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-d
                            HarappaWorld HarappaWorld south-african-indian

                            What about the ones with
                            Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                            Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                             
                            North_Sea
                            34.36%
                            Atlantic
                            27.79%
                            Baltic
                            9.68%
                            Eastern_Euro
                            8.73%
                            West_Med
                            11.23%
                            West_Asian
                            3.94%
                            East_Med
                            1.27%
                            Red_Sea
                            0.49%
                            South_Asian
                            -
                            Southeast_Asian
                            -
                            Siberian
                            -
                            Amerindian
                            1.34%
                            Oceanian
                            0.32%
                            Northeast_African
                            0.86%
                            Sub-Saharan
                            -
                             
                            Population
                            North_Atlantic
                            46.84%
                            Baltic
                            23.39%
                            West_Med
                            15.51%
                            West_Asian
                            6.26%
                            East_Med
                            3.63%
                            Red_Sea
                            1.00%
                            South_Asian
                            -
                            East_Asian
                            -
                            Siberian
                            -
                            Amerindian
                            1.87%
                            Oceanian
                            0.54%
                            Northeast_African
                            0.97%
                            Sub-Saharan
                            -
                             
                            Population
                            S-Indian
                            -
                            Baloch
                            10.38%
                            Caucasian
                            7.25%
                            NE-Euro
                            47.13%
                            SE-Asian
                            -
                            Siberian
                            -
                            NE-Asian
                            -
                            Papuan
                            -
                            American
                            1.12%
                            Beringian
                            -
                            Mediterranean
                            32.78%
                            SW-Asian
                            0.84%
                            San
                            0.32%
                            E-African
                            -
                            Pygmy
                            -
                            W-African
                            0.15%
                             
                             
                            Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                            From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                            To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                            Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                             
                            Hello Joel K.,
                            FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                            If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                            Gary

                            From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                            To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                            Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                             
                            Halo:

                            Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                            How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                            What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                            Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                            Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                            My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                            GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                            r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                            I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                            Any comments are requested for input.      

                              
                            Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                            From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                            To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                            Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                             
                            Hi Alicia,
                            >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                            Yes in addition to East Asian.

                            >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                            The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                            >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                            >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                            Gary
                            Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                            From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                            To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                            Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                             
                            Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                            Alicia




                          • Gary Felix
                            Joel H., according to gedmatch you are less than 2 percent NA.  Gary ________________________________ From: JOEL SR To:
                            Message 13 of 28 , May 8, 2014
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                              Joel H.,
                              according to gedmatch you are less than 2 percent NA. 

                              Gary


                              From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                              To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:42 PM
                              Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                               
                              Gary:

                              What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                              Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                              Vadim:

                              Thank you for your response.

                              I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                              Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                              To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                              My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                              The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                              Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                              What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                              I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                              Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                              What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                              What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                              Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                              The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                              Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                              Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                              My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                              Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                              Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                              Population  
                              North_Sea34.36%
                              Atlantic27.79%
                              Baltic9.68%
                              Eastern_Euro8.73%
                              West_Med11.23%
                              West_Asian3.94%
                              East_Med1.27%
                              Red_Sea0.49%
                              South_Asian-    
                              Southeast_Asian-    
                              Siberian-    
                              Amerindian1.34%
                              Oceanian0.32%
                              Northeast_African0.86%
                              Sub-Saharan-    

                              They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                              Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                              Population  
                              North_Sea34.36%
                              Atlantic27.79%
                              Baltic9.68%
                              Eastern_Euro8.73%
                              West_Med11.23%
                              West_Asian3.94%
                              East_Med1.27%
                              Red_Sea0.49%
                              South_Asian-    
                              Southeast_Asian-    
                              Siberian-    
                              Amerindian1.34%
                              Oceanian0.32%
                              Northeast_African0.86%
                              Sub-Saharan
                              -    
                               Eurogenes K13 model

                               

                              Population  
                              North_Atlantic46.84%
                              Baltic23.39%
                              West_Med15.51%
                              West_Asian6.26%
                              East_Med3.63%
                              Red_Sea1.00%
                              South_Asian-    
                              East_Asian-    
                              Siberian-    
                              Amerindian1.87%
                              Oceanian0.54%
                              Northeast_African0.97%
                              Sub-Saharan-    

                              There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                              MDLP Project MDLP World Indian-East
                              MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                              MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                              MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                              MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                              MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                              MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                              Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                              Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                              Eurogenes EUtest South_Indian
                              Eurogenes Jtest South_Indian
                              Dodecad Dodecad K12b Indian
                              Dodecad Dodecad K7b Indian
                              Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                              Dodecad World9 Indian
                              HarappaWorld HarappaWorld caribbean-indian
                              HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                              HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                              HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                              HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-d
                              HarappaWorld HarappaWorld south-african-indian

                              What about the ones with
                              Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                              Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                               
                              North_Sea
                              34.36%
                              Atlantic
                              27.79%
                              Baltic
                              9.68%
                              Eastern_Euro
                              8.73%
                              West_Med
                              11.23%
                              West_Asian
                              3.94%
                              East_Med
                              1.27%
                              Red_Sea
                              0.49%
                              South_Asian
                              -
                              Southeast_Asian
                              -
                              Siberian
                              -
                              Amerindian
                              1.34%
                              Oceanian
                              0.32%
                              Northeast_African
                              0.86%
                              Sub-Saharan
                              -
                               
                              Population
                              North_Atlantic
                              46.84%
                              Baltic
                              23.39%
                              West_Med
                              15.51%
                              West_Asian
                              6.26%
                              East_Med
                              3.63%
                              Red_Sea
                              1.00%
                              South_Asian
                              -
                              East_Asian
                              -
                              Siberian
                              -
                              Amerindian
                              1.87%
                              Oceanian
                              0.54%
                              Northeast_African
                              0.97%
                              Sub-Saharan
                              -
                               
                              Population
                              S-Indian
                              -
                              Baloch
                              10.38%
                              Caucasian
                              7.25%
                              NE-Euro
                              47.13%
                              SE-Asian
                              -
                              Siberian
                              -
                              NE-Asian
                              -
                              Papuan
                              -
                              American
                              1.12%
                              Beringian
                              -
                              Mediterranean
                              32.78%
                              SW-Asian
                              0.84%
                              San
                              0.32%
                              E-African
                              -
                              Pygmy
                              -
                              W-African
                              0.15%
                               
                               
                              Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                              From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                              To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                              Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                               
                              Hello Joel K.,
                              FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                              If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                              Gary

                              From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                              To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                              Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                               
                              Halo:

                              Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                              How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                              What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                              Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                              Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                              My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                              GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                              r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                              I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                              Any comments are requested for input.      

                                
                              Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                              From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                              To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                              Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                               
                              Hi Alicia,
                              >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                              Yes in addition to East Asian.

                              >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                              The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                              >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                              >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                              Gary
                              Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                              From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                              To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                              Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                               
                              Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                              Alicia


                            • Gary Felix
                              Otherwise it could reflect the Sonoran ancestry in the mission NA of California. Sonoran s moved north into California in 1776. Gary
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                                Otherwise it could reflect the Sonoran ancestry in the mission NA of California. Sonoran's moved north into California in 1776.

                                Gary


                                From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 3:39 AM
                                Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                 
                                Teddi,
                                I mentioned Gedmatch's MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle because it is showing percentages from NA tribes in Calif. and baja Calif. for me which would best reflect my Father's side of the family in Sonora. I was wondering if this utility was accurate in others as well for NA ancestry.

                                Gary


                                From: Teddi Montes <o2bnbaja@...>
                                To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:24 PM
                                Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                 
                                Gary and all-Mexico is a part of North America and there are still tribes that today go back and forth across that political border as in the Pai Pai, Kumiyaay, Cucupah, Yaqui and others.  For many years it was a problem for some but now with the right paperwork, these families can visit each other as in the past.

                                Teddi Montes
                                The Californio DNA Project/El Proyecto de ADN de los Californios




                                On May 7, 2014, at 3:42 PM, JOEL SR wrote:

                                 

                                Gary:

                                What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                                Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                                Vadim:

                                Thank you for your response.

                                I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                                To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                                My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                                The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                                Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                                What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                                I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                                Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                                What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                                What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                                Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                                The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                                Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                                Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                                My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                                Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                                Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                                Population  
                                North_Sea34.36%
                                Atlantic27.79%
                                Baltic9.68%
                                Eastern_Euro8.73%
                                West_Med11.23%
                                West_Asian3.94%
                                East_Med1.27%
                                Red_Sea0.49%
                                South_Asian-    
                                Southeast_Asian-    
                                Siberian-    
                                Amerindian1.34%
                                Oceanian0.32%
                                Northeast_African0.86%
                                Sub-Saharan-    

                                They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                                Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                                Population  
                                North_Sea34.36%
                                Atlantic27.79%
                                Baltic9.68%
                                Eastern_Euro8.73%
                                West_Med11.23%
                                West_Asian3.94%
                                East_Med1.27%
                                Red_Sea0.49%
                                South_Asian-    
                                Southeast_Asian-    
                                Siberian-    
                                Amerindian1.34%
                                Oceanian0.32%
                                Northeast_African0.86%
                                Sub-Saharan
                                -    
                                 Eurogenes K13 model

                                 

                                Population  
                                North_Atlantic46.84%
                                Baltic23.39%
                                West_Med15.51%
                                West_Asian6.26%
                                East_Med3.63%
                                Red_Sea1.00%
                                South_Asian-    
                                East_Asian-    
                                Siberian-    
                                Amerindian1.87%
                                Oceanian0.54%
                                Northeast_African0.97%
                                Sub-Saharan-    

                                There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                                MDLP Project MDLP World Indian-East
                                MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                                MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                                MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                                MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian
                                MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                                MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                                Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                                Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                Eurogenes EUtest South_Indian
                                Eurogenes Jtest South_Indian
                                Dodecad Dodecad K12b Indian
                                Dodecad Dodecad K7b Indian
                                Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                                Dodecad World9 Indian
                                HarappaWorld HarappaWorld caribbean-indian
                                HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                                HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                                HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                                HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-d
                                HarappaWorld HarappaWorld south-african-indian

                                What about the ones with
                                Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                                Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                 
                                North_Sea
                                34.36%
                                Atlantic
                                27.79%
                                Baltic
                                9.68%
                                Eastern_Euro
                                8.73%
                                West_Med
                                11.23%
                                West_Asian
                                3.94%
                                East_Med
                                1.27%
                                Red_Sea
                                0.49%
                                South_Asian
                                -
                                Southeast_Asian
                                -
                                Siberian
                                -
                                Amerindian
                                1.34%
                                Oceanian
                                0.32%
                                Northeast_African
                                0.86%
                                Sub-Saharan
                                -
                                 
                                Population
                                North_Atlantic
                                46.84%
                                Baltic
                                23.39%
                                West_Med
                                15.51%
                                West_Asian
                                6.26%
                                East_Med
                                3.63%
                                Red_Sea
                                1.00%
                                South_Asian
                                -
                                East_Asian
                                -
                                Siberian
                                -
                                Amerindian
                                1.87%
                                Oceanian
                                0.54%
                                Northeast_African
                                0.97%
                                Sub-Saharan
                                -
                                 
                                Population
                                S-Indian
                                -
                                Baloch
                                10.38%
                                Caucasian
                                7.25%
                                NE-Euro
                                47.13%
                                SE-Asian
                                -
                                Siberian
                                -
                                NE-Asian
                                -
                                Papuan
                                -
                                American
                                1.12%
                                Beringian
                                -
                                Mediterranean
                                32.78%
                                SW-Asian
                                0.84%
                                San
                                0.32%
                                E-African
                                -
                                Pygmy
                                -
                                W-African
                                0.15%
                                 
                                 
                                Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                                Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                 
                                Hello Joel K.,
                                FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                                If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                                Gary

                                From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                                Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                 
                                Halo:

                                Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                                How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                                What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                                Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                                Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                                My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                                GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                                r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                                I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                                Any comments are requested for input.      

                                  
                                Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                                Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                 
                                Hi Alicia,
                                >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                                Yes in addition to East Asian.

                                >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                                The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                                >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                                >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                                Gary
                                Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                                From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                                To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                                Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                 
                                Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                                Alicia






                              • Randal Soza
                                Interesting......GedMatch lists him as less than 2% NA, and yet he s 2/4 DIB Cherokee. Randal Soza Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin On May
                                Message 15 of 28 , May 8, 2014
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                                  Interesting......GedMatch lists him as less than 2% NA, and yet he's 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                  Randal Soza

                                  Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                  On May 8, 2014, at 3:50 AM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:

                                   

                                  Joel H.,
                                  according to gedmatch you are less than 2 percent NA. 

                                  Gary


                                  From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                  To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:42 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                   
                                  Gary:

                                  What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                                  Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                                  Vadim:

                                  Thank you for your response.

                                  I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                  Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                                  To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                                  My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                                  The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                                  Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                                  What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                                  I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                                  Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                                  What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                                  What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                                  Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                                  The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                                  Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                                  Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                                  My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                                  Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                                  Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                                  Population  
                                  North_Sea34.36%
                                  Atlantic 27.79%
                                  Baltic9.68%
                                  Eastern_Euro 8.73%
                                  West_Med11.23%
                                  West_Asian 3.94%
                                  East_Med1.27%
                                  Red_Sea 0.49%
                                  South_Asian-    
                                  Southeast_Asian-    
                                  Siberian-    
                                  Amerindian1.34%
                                  Oceanian0.32%
                                  Northeast_African0.86%
                                  Sub-Saharan -    

                                  They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                                  Eurogenes  Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                                  Population  
                                  North_Sea34.36%
                                  Atlantic27.79%
                                  Baltic9.68%
                                  Eastern_Euro8.73%
                                  West_Med11.23%
                                  West_Asian 3.94%
                                  East_Med1.27%
                                  Red_Sea 0.49%
                                  South_Asian-    
                                  Southeast_Asian-    
                                  Siberian-    
                                  Amerindian1.34%
                                  Oceanian0.32%
                                  Northeast_African0.86%
                                  Sub-Saharan
                                  -    
                                   Eurogenes K13 model

                                   

                                  Population  
                                  North_Atlantic46.84%
                                  Baltic23.39%
                                  West_Med 15.51%
                                  West_Asian6.26%
                                  East_Med 3.63%
                                  Red_Sea1.00%
                                  South_Asian -    
                                  East_Asian-    
                                  Siberian -    
                                  Amerindian1.87%
                                  Oceanian 0.54%
                                  Northeast_African0.97%
                                  Sub-Saharan-    

                                  There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                                  MDLP Project MDLP World Indian-East
                                  MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                                  MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                                  MDLP Project MDLP World-22  Indian
                                  MDLP Project  MDLP World-22 Indian
                                  MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                                  MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                                  Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                                  Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                  Eurogenes  EUtest South_Indian
                                  Eurogenes Jtest South_Indian
                                  Dodecad Dodecad K12b  Indian
                                  Dodecad  Dodecad K7b Indian
                                  Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                                  Dodecad World9  Indian
                                  HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld caribbean-indian
                                  HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                                  HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                                  HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                                  HarappaWorld HarappaWorld  singapore-indian-d
                                  HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld south-african-indian

                                  What about the ones with
                                  Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15  North_Amerindian
                                  Eurogenes  Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                   
                                  North_Sea
                                  34.36%
                                  Atlantic
                                  27.79%
                                  Baltic
                                  9.68%
                                  Eastern_Euro
                                  8.73%
                                  West_Med
                                  11.23%
                                  West_Asian
                                  3.94%
                                  East_Med
                                  1.27%
                                  Red_Sea
                                  0.49%
                                  South_Asian
                                  -
                                  Southeast_Asian
                                  -
                                  Siberian
                                  -
                                  Amerindian
                                  1.34%
                                  Oceanian
                                  0.32%
                                  Northeast_African
                                  0.86%
                                  Sub-Saharan
                                  -
                                   
                                  Population
                                  North_Atlantic
                                  46.84%
                                  Baltic
                                  23.39%
                                  West_Med
                                  15.51%
                                  West_Asian
                                  6.26%
                                  East_Med
                                  3.63%
                                  Red_Sea
                                  1.00%
                                  South_Asian
                                  -
                                  East_Asian
                                  -
                                  Siberian
                                  -
                                  Amerindian
                                  1.87%
                                  Oceanian
                                  0.54%
                                  Northeast_African
                                  0.97%
                                  Sub-Saharan
                                  -
                                   
                                  Population
                                  S-Indian
                                  -
                                  Baloch
                                  10.38%
                                  Caucasian
                                  7.25%
                                  NE-Euro
                                  47.13%
                                  SE-Asian
                                  -
                                  Siberian
                                  -
                                  NE-Asian
                                  -
                                  Papuan
                                  -
                                  American
                                  1.12%
                                  Beringian
                                  -
                                  Mediterranean
                                  32.78%
                                  SW-Asian
                                  0.84%
                                  San
                                  0.32%
                                  E-African
                                  -
                                  Pygmy
                                  -
                                  W-African
                                  0.15%
                                   
                                   
                                  Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                  From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                  To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                   
                                  Hello Joel K.,
                                  FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                                  If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                                  Gary

                                  From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                  To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                   
                                  Halo:

                                  Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                                  How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                                  What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                                  Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                                  Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                                  My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                                  GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                                  r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                                  I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                                  Any comments are requested for input.      

                                    
                                  Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                  From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                  To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                   
                                  Hi Alicia,
                                  >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                                  Yes in addition to East Asian.

                                  >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                                  The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                                  >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                                  >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                                  Gary
                                  Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                                  From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                                  To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                                  Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                   
                                  Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                                  Alicia


                                • Teddi Montes
                                  Well, my native American Pai Pai testee, FF results about a week ago, originally had 74% Native American, abt 23% Euro, and 4% or so Yakut, Han.... NOW as of
                                  Message 16 of 28 , May 8, 2014
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                                    Well, my native American Pai Pai testee, FF results about a week ago, originally had 74% Native American, abt 23% Euro, and 4% or so Yakut, Han....

                                    NOW as of yesterday, a whole 'nuther bunch of stuff...so what do we make of this???

                                    New is:

                                    New World  47%
                                           Bering Expansion  47%
                                    European    27%
                                           Euro northlands   25%
                                           Euro coastal islands  2%

                                    East Asian   19%
                                           Asian Northeast  19%

                                    Central/south Asian   4%
                                           Eurasian heartland  4%

                                    Middle Eastern     3%
                                           North African Coastlands  3%

                                     This man's family has been in this same village for over 6 generations and this is a KNOWN Pai Pai community.  His 3 generation tree has a surname connection to Spanish/Mexican ranchos of the 1800s in San Diego county.


                                    Any thought on this??  The more I learn the less I know.

                                    Teddi Montes

                                           
                                    On May 8, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Randal Soza wrote:

                                     

                                    Interesting......GedMatch lists him as less than 2% NA, and yet he's 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                    Randal Soza

                                    Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                    On May 8, 2014, at 3:50 AM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:

                                     

                                    Joel H.,
                                    according to gedmatch you are less than 2 percent NA. 

                                    Gary


                                    From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                    To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:42 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                     
                                    Gary:

                                    What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                                    Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                                    Vadim:

                                    Thank you for your response.

                                    I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                    Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                                    To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                                    My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                                    The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                                    Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                                    What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                                    I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                                    Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                                    What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                                    What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                                    Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                                    The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                                    Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                                    Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                                    My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                                    Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                                    Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                                    Population  
                                    North_Sea34.36%
                                    Atlantic 27.79%
                                    Baltic9.68%
                                    Eastern_Euro 8.73%
                                    West_Med11.23%
                                    West_Asian 3.94%
                                    East_Med1.27%
                                    Red_Sea 0.49%
                                    South_Asian-    
                                    Southeast_Asian-    
                                    Siberian-    
                                    Amerindian1.34%
                                    Oceanian0.32%
                                    Northeast_African0.86%
                                    Sub-Saharan -    

                                    They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                                    Eurogenes  Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                                    Population  
                                    North_Sea34.36%
                                    Atlantic27.79%
                                    Baltic9.68%
                                    Eastern_Euro8.73%
                                    West_Med11.23%
                                    West_Asian 3.94%
                                    East_Med1.27%
                                    Red_Sea 0.49%
                                    South_Asian-    
                                    Southeast_Asian-    
                                    Siberian-    
                                    Amerindian1.34%
                                    Oceanian0.32%
                                    Northeast_African0.86%
                                    Sub-Saharan
                                    -    
                                     Eurogenes K13 model

                                     

                                    Population  
                                    North_Atlantic46.84%
                                    Baltic23.39%
                                    West_Med 15.51%
                                    West_Asian6.26%
                                    East_Med 3.63%
                                    Red_Sea1.00%
                                    South_Asian -    
                                    East_Asian-    
                                    Siberian -    
                                    Amerindian1.87%
                                    Oceanian 0.54%
                                    Northeast_African0.97%
                                    Sub-Saharan-    

                                    There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                                    MDLP Project MDLP World Indian-East
                                    MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                                    MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                                    MDLP Project MDLP World-22  Indian
                                    MDLP Project  MDLP World-22 Indian
                                    MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                                    MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                                    Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                                    Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                    Eurogenes  EUtest South_Indian
                                    Eurogenes Jtest South_Indian
                                    Dodecad Dodecad K12b  Indian
                                    Dodecad  Dodecad K7b Indian
                                    Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                                    Dodecad World9  Indian
                                    HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld caribbean-indian
                                    HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                                    HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                                    HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                                    HarappaWorld HarappaWorld  singapore-indian-d
                                    HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld south-african-indian

                                    What about the ones with
                                    Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15  North_Amerindian
                                    Eurogenes  Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                     
                                    North_Sea
                                    34.36%
                                    Atlantic
                                    27.79%
                                    Baltic
                                    9.68%
                                    Eastern_Euro
                                    8.73%
                                    West_Med
                                    11.23%
                                    West_Asian
                                    3.94%
                                    East_Med
                                    1.27%
                                    Red_Sea
                                    0.49%
                                    South_Asian
                                    -
                                    Southeast_Asian
                                    -
                                    Siberian
                                    -
                                    Amerindian
                                    1.34%
                                    Oceanian
                                    0.32%
                                    Northeast_African
                                    0.86%
                                    Sub-Saharan
                                    -
                                     
                                    Population
                                    North_Atlantic
                                    46.84%
                                    Baltic
                                    23.39%
                                    West_Med
                                    15.51%
                                    West_Asian
                                    6.26%
                                    East_Med
                                    3.63%
                                    Red_Sea
                                    1.00%
                                    South_Asian
                                    -
                                    East_Asian
                                    -
                                    Siberian
                                    -
                                    Amerindian
                                    1.87%
                                    Oceanian
                                    0.54%
                                    Northeast_African
                                    0.97%
                                    Sub-Saharan
                                    -
                                     
                                    Population
                                    S-Indian
                                    -
                                    Baloch
                                    10.38%
                                    Caucasian
                                    7.25%
                                    NE-Euro
                                    47.13%
                                    SE-Asian
                                    -
                                    Siberian
                                    -
                                    NE-Asian
                                    -
                                    Papuan
                                    -
                                    American
                                    1.12%
                                    Beringian
                                    -
                                    Mediterranean
                                    32.78%
                                    SW-Asian
                                    0.84%
                                    San
                                    0.32%
                                    E-African
                                    -
                                    Pygmy
                                    -
                                    W-African
                                    0.15%
                                     
                                     
                                    Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                    From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                    To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                     
                                    Hello Joel K.,
                                    FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                                    If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                                    Gary

                                    From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                    To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                     
                                    Halo:

                                    Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                                    How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                                    What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                                    Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                                    Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                                    My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                                    GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                                    r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                                    I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                                    Any comments are requested for input.      

                                      
                                    Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                    From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                    To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                     
                                    Hi Alicia,
                                    >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                                    Yes in addition to East Asian.

                                    >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                                    The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                                    >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                                    >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                                    Gary
                                    Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                                    From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                                    To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                                    Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                     
                                    Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                                    Alicia





                                  • Randal Soza
                                    For me, the results still basically say the same thing......Native American....the European and Asian influences make up the Beringian peoples....further
                                    Message 17 of 28 , May 8, 2014
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                                      For me, the results still basically say the same thing......Native American....the European and Asian influences make up the Beringian peoples....further expansion into the Americas refined into what is known as Native American, but the European and Asian still presents itself. So to me, the Population Finder had given seriously broad and general ethnicity, but now MyOrigins has refined it further. But the results still show European, Asian, Native American, which is what it showed before too. For me though the odd man out is the Middle Eastern. 

                                      Anyone with Middle Eastern DNA could've slipped into the family tree at anytime within the last 10 generations (over 1,000 people). Same with any extra European or Asian influence not identified as "old Native American" DNA. 

                                      So in summary, if you add up the old Pop Finder results, you get 101% Native American/European/Asian, and NOW with MyOrigins you get 97% Native American/European/Asian and 3% Middle Eastern. Which means either of three things. One, either there IS Middle Eastern presented from someone in the tree, OR this is another one of those discrepancy/bugs we are seeing, OR the Middle Eastern is being pulled from/misrepresented from another data set or the data set is not represented within the population data base reference, and Middle Eastern is the closest representation.

                                      That's just my take. Lol!

                                      Randal Soza

                                      Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                      On May 8, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Teddi Montes <o2bnbaja@...> wrote:

                                       

                                      Well, my native American Pai Pai testee, FF results about a week ago, originally had 74% Native American, abt 23% Euro, and 4% or so Yakut, Han....


                                      NOW as of yesterday, a whole 'nuther bunch of stuff...so what do we make of this???

                                      New is:

                                      New World  47%
                                             Bering Expansion  47%
                                      European    27%
                                             Euro northlands   25%
                                             Euro coastal islands  2%

                                      East Asian   19%
                                             Asian Northeast  19%

                                      Central/south Asian   4%
                                             Eurasian heartland  4%

                                      Middle Eastern     3%
                                             North African Coastlands  3%

                                       This man's family has been in this same village for over 6 generations and this is a KNOWN Pai Pai community.  His 3 generation tree has a surname connection to Spanish/Mexican ranchos of the 1800s in San Diego county.


                                      Any thought on this??  The more I learn the less I know.

                                      Teddi Montes

                                             
                                      On May 8, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Randal Soza wrote:

                                       

                                      Interesting......GedMatch lists him as less than 2% NA, and yet he's 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                      Randal Soza

                                      Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                      On May 8, 2014, at 3:50 AM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:

                                       

                                      Joel H.,
                                      according to gedmatch you are less than 2 percent NA. 

                                      Gary


                                      From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:42 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                       
                                      Gary:

                                      What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                                      Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                                      Vadim:

                                      Thank you for your response.

                                      I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                      Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                                      To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                                      My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                                      The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                                      Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                                      What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                                      I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                                      Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                                      What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                                      What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                                      Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                                      The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                                      Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                                      Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                                      My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                                      Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                                      Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                                      Population  
                                      North_Sea34.36%
                                      Atlantic 27.79%
                                      Baltic9.68%
                                      Eastern_Euro 8.73%
                                      West_Med11.23%
                                      West_Asian 3.94%
                                      East_Med1.27%
                                      Red_Sea 0.49%
                                      South_Asian-    
                                      Southeast_Asian-    
                                      Siberian-    
                                      Amerindian1.34%
                                      Oceanian0.32%
                                      Northeast_African0.86%
                                      Sub-Saharan -    

                                      They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                                      Eurogenes  Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                                      Population  
                                      North_Sea34.36%
                                      Atlantic27.79%
                                      Baltic9.68%
                                      Eastern_Euro 8.73%
                                      West_Med11.23%
                                      West_Asian 3.94%
                                      East_Med1.27%
                                      Red_Sea 0.49%
                                      South_Asian-    
                                      Southeast_Asian-    
                                      Siberian-    
                                      Amerindian1.34%
                                      Oceanian0.32%
                                      Northeast_African0.86%
                                      Sub-Saharan
                                      -    
                                       Eurogenes K13 model

                                       

                                      Population  
                                      North_Atlantic46.84%
                                      Baltic23.39%
                                      West_Med 15.51%
                                      West_Asian6.26%
                                      East_Med 3.63%
                                      Red_Sea1.00%
                                      South_Asian -    
                                      East_Asian-    
                                      Siberian -    
                                      Amerindian1.87%
                                      Oceanian 0.54%
                                      Northeast_African 0.97%
                                      Sub-Saharan-    

                                      There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                                      MDLP Project  MDLP World Indian-East
                                      MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                                      MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                                      MDLP Project MDLP World-22  Indian
                                      MDLP Project  MDLP World-22  Indian
                                      MDLP Project  MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                                      MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                                      Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                                      Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                      Eurogenes  EUtest  South_Indian
                                      Eurogenes  Jtest South_Indian
                                      Dodecad Dodecad K12b  Indian
                                      Dodecad  Dodecad K7b Indian
                                      Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                                      Dodecad World9  Indian
                                      HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld  caribbean-indian
                                      HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                                      HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                                      HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                                      HarappaWorld HarappaWorld  singapore-indian-d
                                      HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld  south-african-indian

                                      What about the ones with
                                      Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15  North_Amerindian
                                      Eurogenes  Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                       
                                      North_Sea
                                      34.36%
                                      Atlantic
                                      27.79%
                                      Baltic
                                      9.68%
                                      Eastern_Euro
                                      8.73%
                                      West_Med
                                      11.23%
                                      West_Asian
                                      3.94%
                                      East_Med
                                      1.27%
                                      Red_Sea
                                      0.49%
                                      South_Asian
                                      -
                                      Southeast_Asian
                                      -
                                      Siberian
                                      -
                                      Amerindian
                                      1.34%
                                      Oceanian
                                      0.32%
                                      Northeast_African
                                      0.86%
                                      Sub-Saharan
                                      -
                                       
                                      Population
                                      North_Atlantic
                                      46.84%
                                      Baltic
                                      23.39%
                                      West_Med
                                      15.51%
                                      West_Asian
                                      6.26%
                                      East_Med
                                      3.63%
                                      Red_Sea
                                      1.00%
                                      South_Asian
                                      -
                                      East_Asian
                                      -
                                      Siberian
                                      -
                                      Amerindian
                                      1.87%
                                      Oceanian
                                      0.54%
                                      Northeast_African
                                      0.97%
                                      Sub-Saharan
                                      -
                                       
                                      Population
                                      S-Indian
                                      -
                                      Baloch
                                      10.38%
                                      Caucasian
                                      7.25%
                                      NE-Euro
                                      47.13%
                                      SE-Asian
                                      -
                                      Siberian
                                      -
                                      NE-Asian
                                      -
                                      Papuan
                                      -
                                      American
                                      1.12%
                                      Beringian
                                      -
                                      Mediterranean
                                      32.78%
                                      SW-Asian
                                      0.84%
                                      San
                                      0.32%
                                      E-African
                                      -
                                      Pygmy
                                      -
                                      W-African
                                      0.15%
                                       
                                       
                                      Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                      From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                       
                                      Hello Joel K.,
                                      FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                                      If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                                      Gary

                                      From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                       
                                      Halo:

                                      Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                                      How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                                      What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                                      Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                                      Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                                      My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                                      GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                                      r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                                      I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                                      Any comments are requested for input.      

                                        
                                      Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                      From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                       
                                      Hi Alicia,
                                      >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                                      Yes in addition to East Asian.

                                      >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                                      The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                                      >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                                      >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                                      Gary
                                      Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                                      From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                                      To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                                      Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                       
                                      Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                                      Alicia





                                    • JOEL SR
                                      Halo Amigos: I have additional information to share as to how the BIA, Bureau of Indian Affairs, determines tribal enrollment for a federal tribe. Check
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                                        Halo Amigos:

                                        I have additional information to share as to how the BIA, Bureau of Indian Affairs, determines tribal enrollment for a federal tribe.

                                        Check the BIA degree of Indian blood quantum chart.

                                        The BIA sets no minimum blood quantum requirement for acknowledgement purposes, but does require decent from a historic tribe e.g. Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw. Chickasaw and Seminole etc.. These are historic tribes.  Blood quantum is a tribal issue and not a federal government issue.

                                        One does not need to be an Indian to be an enrolled Creek, Seminole etc. unless the specific tribe requires a DIB and family blood proof. Ones is enrolled at birth or by matching someone on a roll or a current tribal member as a relative e.g. cousin, brother etc..

                                        Each tribe is a sovereign nation as the USA. How does the USA determine who is an American citizen? American citizens are of all colors and races. Well each tribe have individuals of all colors and races as tribal citizens. Each Tribe, Indian, determines who is a citizen in there nation. 

                                        Anyone who is my relative by blood is eligible to seek enrollment with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. If I were enrolled with any tribe as the Cherokee Nation one could then seek enrollment as well.

                                        There are some statistical issues related to the analysis process such as the gene pool.
                                        Gene pool for 10,000, 100,000 what size and what tribes?

                                        How many specific North American tribes, e.g. Eastern Band of Cherokees, Cherokee Nation and other tribes in Alabama, Tennessee etc., are in the gene pool?

                                        What is the sample size, N for number, of the proven gene population to analyzed?

                                        My ancestors, Tissie was in Texas and possibly Mexico as well as Sequoyah, from Alabama whose father was Irish, in 1780. Also, the Kickapoo tribe as well.

                                        Little Terrapin was removed from Alabama to Indian territory, now Oklahoma, in 1835 or about. I think was listed as a full blood, but no scientific proof for DIB was possible.

                                        Sequoyah was buried in Mexico. Sequoyah was at best 2/4, but could have been 1/8. No scientific proof with the DNA.  

                                        The BIA DIB quantum chart has a category for non-Indian.

                                        All DIBs are calculated from a relative, my mother as full-blood, without any verification the individual was Indian at all from a scientific perspective. 

                                        A federal roll or a birth certificate is not a scientific verification one is an Indian. However, it does prove family members are related to each other. Tribes are family members. All blood family members regardless to Y/mt hgs and autosomal markers are tribal members.  

                                        I am participating in the Cherokee DNA project with Dr. Ronald Yates who has taken DNA samples from Individuals who are considered to be Cherokee as tribal enrollment.

                                        Dr. Yates had DNA sequenced for my mt which he concluded was as Native American on not having any old world markers, but all new world markers. How valid is this assessment? I do not know.

                                        Richard Flores, Y DNA is Q, is a family relative by DNA, Mexican Indian.

                                        I am participating in the DNA autosomal project with Dr. Eske Willerslev comparing the Mal'ta male child, MA-1, the Anzick-1 from Montana and members of the Echota Cherokee Nation from Alabama with my relative Richard Flores who is Mexican Indian.

                                        All markers in ones genes are not sequenced in the DNA analysis. How many markers do not show my Cherokee Indian gene markers? 

                                        Another issue of concern is tribal enrollment. Tribal enrollment by the Eastern Band of Cherokee and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma.

                                        Both tribes use federal rolls for enrollment. Cherokee Nation uses the Dawes roll of 1907. However, if you were not a resident regardless to circumstances you can not seek enrollment with the Cherokee Nation regardless to your DIB.

                                        The EBCI's has closed there enrollment except for infants. EBCI's use the Baker rolls for 1924.

                                        Both tribes turn away Cherokees from enrollment.

                                        I am promoting enrollment for all blood relatives and all Cherokee with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama.

                                        Dradfullwater, Cherokee, on the Internet, said only the Indian will do away with the Indian. After three generations of marrying the overseas people there will be no more Indians.

                                        I think this is a major reason those who are enrolled with federal and state recognized tribes refuse to have there DNA tested.

                                        I get a great deal of pressure from tribal members and other tribes on my position for science and research in genetics.

                                        Lastly, remember the Mal'ta male child, MA-1,  had Y DNA hg R and mt DNA hg U dated 24,000 in Siberia, Russia?? 

                                        How many in the Mexico DNA project know there tribe? Know the tribal language? Speak any of the tribal language? Know the clans in there tribe? Know anything about there tribal culture? Have you been to a sweat lodge? A vision quest? A Sundance? 

                                        I want to open the dialogue on all of these issues.


                                         

                                         
                                        Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                        On Thursday, May 8, 2014 4:22 PM, Randal Soza <mrrandalsoza@...> wrote:
                                         
                                        Interesting......GedMatch lists him as less than 2% NA, and yet he's 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                        Randal Soza

                                        Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                        On May 8, 2014, at 3:50 AM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:

                                         
                                        Joel H.,
                                        according to gedmatch you are less than 2 percent NA. 

                                        Gary

                                        From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                        To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:42 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                         
                                        Gary:

                                        What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                                        Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                                        Vadim:

                                        Thank you for your response.

                                        I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                        Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                                        To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                                        My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                                        The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                                        Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                                        What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                                        I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                                        Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                                        What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                                        What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                                        Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                                        The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                                        Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                                        Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                                        My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                                        Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                                        Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                                        Population  
                                        North_Sea34.36%
                                        Atlantic 27.79%
                                        Baltic9.68%
                                        Eastern_Euro 8.73%
                                        West_Med11.23%
                                        West_Asian 3.94%
                                        East_Med1.27%
                                        Red_Sea 0.49%
                                        South_Asian-    
                                        Southeast_Asian-    
                                        Siberian-    
                                        Amerindian1.34%
                                        Oceanian0.32%
                                        Northeast_African0.86%
                                        Sub-Saharan -    

                                        They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                                        Eurogenes  Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                                        Population  
                                        North_Sea34.36%
                                        Atlantic27.79%
                                        Baltic9.68%
                                        Eastern_Euro8.73%
                                        West_Med11.23%
                                        West_Asian 3.94%
                                        East_Med1.27%
                                        Red_Sea 0.49%
                                        South_Asian-    
                                        Southeast_Asian-    
                                        Siberian-    
                                        Amerindian1.34%
                                        Oceanian0.32%
                                        Northeast_African0.86%
                                        Sub-Saharan
                                        -    
                                         Eurogenes K13 model

                                         

                                        Population  
                                        North_Atlantic46.84%
                                        Baltic23.39%
                                        West_Med 15.51%
                                        West_Asian6.26%
                                        East_Med 3.63%
                                        Red_Sea1.00%
                                        South_Asian -    
                                        East_Asian-    
                                        Siberian -    
                                        Amerindian1.87%
                                        Oceanian 0.54%
                                        Northeast_African0.97%
                                        Sub-Saharan-    

                                        There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                                        MDLP Project MDLP World Indian-East
                                        MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                                        MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                                        MDLP Project MDLP World-22  Indian
                                        MDLP Project  MDLP World-22 Indian
                                        MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                                        MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                                        Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                                        Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                        Eurogenes  EUtest South_Indian
                                        Eurogenes Jtest South_Indian
                                        Dodecad Dodecad K12b  Indian
                                        Dodecad  Dodecad K7b Indian
                                        Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                                        Dodecad World9  Indian
                                        HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld caribbean-indian
                                        HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                                        HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                                        HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                                        HarappaWorld HarappaWorld  singapore-indian-d
                                        HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld south-african-indian

                                        What about the ones with
                                        Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15  North_Amerindian
                                        Eurogenes  Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                         
                                        North_Sea
                                        34.36%
                                        Atlantic
                                        27.79%
                                        Baltic
                                        9.68%
                                        Eastern_Euro
                                        8.73%
                                        West_Med
                                        11.23%
                                        West_Asian
                                        3.94%
                                        East_Med
                                        1.27%
                                        Red_Sea
                                        0.49%
                                        South_Asian
                                        -
                                        Southeast_Asian
                                        -
                                        Siberian
                                        -
                                        Amerindian
                                        1.34%
                                        Oceanian
                                        0.32%
                                        Northeast_African
                                        0.86%
                                        Sub-Saharan
                                        -
                                         
                                        Population
                                        North_Atlantic
                                        46.84%
                                        Baltic
                                        23.39%
                                        West_Med
                                        15.51%
                                        West_Asian
                                        6.26%
                                        East_Med
                                        3.63%
                                        Red_Sea
                                        1.00%
                                        South_Asian
                                        -
                                        East_Asian
                                        -
                                        Siberian
                                        -
                                        Amerindian
                                        1.87%
                                        Oceanian
                                        0.54%
                                        Northeast_African
                                        0.97%
                                        Sub-Saharan
                                        -
                                         
                                        Population
                                        S-Indian
                                        -
                                        Baloch
                                        10.38%
                                        Caucasian
                                        7.25%
                                        NE-Euro
                                        47.13%
                                        SE-Asian
                                        -
                                        Siberian
                                        -
                                        NE-Asian
                                        -
                                        Papuan
                                        -
                                        American
                                        1.12%
                                        Beringian
                                        -
                                        Mediterranean
                                        32.78%
                                        SW-Asian
                                        0.84%
                                        San
                                        0.32%
                                        E-African
                                        -
                                        Pygmy
                                        -
                                        W-African
                                        0.15%
                                         
                                         
                                        Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                        From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                        To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                         
                                        Hello Joel K.,
                                        FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                                        If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                                        Gary

                                        From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                        To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                                        Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                         
                                        Halo:

                                        Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                                        How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                                        What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                                        Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                                        Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                                        My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                                        GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                                        r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                                        I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                                        Any comments are requested for input.      

                                          
                                        Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                        From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                        To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                                        Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                         
                                        Hi Alicia,
                                        >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                                        Yes in addition to East Asian.

                                        >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                                        The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                                        >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                                        >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                                        Gary
                                        Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                                        From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                                        To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                                        Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                         
                                        Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                                        Alicia


                                      • Teddi Montes
                                        Regarding the two elders that I tested recently in northern Mexico.....the languages in the home are Pai Pai or Kumayaay and Spanish, The Cucapah woman I met
                                        Message 19 of 28 , May 8, 2014
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                                          Regarding the two elders that I tested recently in northern Mexico.....the languages in the home are Pai Pai or Kumayaay and Spanish,  The Cucapah woman I met who is married to a Kiliwa elder has a daughter who speaks Pai Pai, Kumayaay, some Kiliwa, Spanish and is learning English.  Geez, and I can only speak 2 languages!  

                                          I do not think sweat lodges or Sundances have been in their part of the world.  The one Pai Pai elder was quite proud that he had been invited and gone to an international conference for indigenous peoples held in Manhatten, NY, and representatives from North, Central and South America were in attendance.  There is no tribal registration or government aid and for many of these folks, they have had to fight for any piece of identity.  It is now that things are happening-slowly but surely.  They are a proud people and fighting to keep the culture in their children without any government help of any kind.  The DNA studies I have started has many people excited.

                                          Tribal members from both sides of the border exchange visits and things are in the works for more cultural happenings.  

                                          ALL of the genealogy I do is for the children as they are the future.

                                          Teddi Montes
                                          The Caifornio DNA Project





                                          How many in the Mexico DNA project know there tribe? Know the tribal language? Speak any of the tribal language? Know the clans in there tribe? Know anything about there tribal culture? Have you been to a sweat lodge? A vision quest? A Sundance? 

                                          I want to open the dialogue on all of these issues.


                                           

                                           
                                          Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                          On Thursday, May 8, 2014 4:22 PM, Randal Soza <mrrandalsoza@...> wrote:
                                           
                                          Interesting......GedMatch lists him as less than 2% NA, and yet he's 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                          Randal Soza

                                          J
                                        • Teddi Montes
                                          Gary-The initial Y-12 results came back tonight for the two Baja California Native Americans I tested in my project in March.....They are both Q-M3...one is
                                          Message 20 of 28 , May 9, 2014
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                                            Gary-The initial Y-12 results came back tonight for the two Baja
                                            California Native Americans I tested in my project in March.....They
                                            are both Q-M3...one is Pai Pai and the other Kumiai.

                                            As soon as their mtdna and other Y results get done, I will see that
                                            you get the trees I put together and other info-the trees will take a
                                            lot of research which I will do this summer as I have a big
                                            presentation to do in NorCal at a conferece and that is keeping me
                                            busy too.

                                            The surnames in the trees are not typical Californio names except for
                                            one or so. There are unusual Spanish surnames. This is really
                                            interesting and I am glad I thought out of the box when I came upon
                                            these guys!

                                            I am returning in October for more testing!

                                            Teddi Montes
                                            The Californio DNA Project
                                            El Proyecto de ADN de los Californios
                                          • Teddi Montes
                                            I should NEVER type when I am excited or tired....I can spell...conference..... Teddi On May 9, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Teddi Montes o2bnbaja@eoni.com
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                                              I should NEVER type when I am excited or tired....I can spell...conference.....

                                              Teddi


                                              On May 9, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Teddi Montes o2bnbaja@... [MexicoDNAProject] wrote:

                                               

                                              Gary-The initial Y-12 results came back tonight for the two Baja
                                              California Native Americans I tested in my project in March.....They
                                              are both Q-M3...one is Pai Pai and the other Kumiai.

                                              As soon as their mtdna and other Y results get done, I will see that
                                              you get the trees I put together and other info-the trees will take a
                                              lot of research which I will do this summer as I have a big
                                              presentation to do in NorCal at a conferece and that is keeping me
                                              busy too.

                                              The surnames in the trees are not typical Californio names except for
                                              one or so. There are unusual Spanish surnames. This is really
                                              interesting and I am glad I thought out of the box when I came upon
                                              these guys!

                                              I am returning in October for more testing!

                                              Teddi Montes
                                              The Californio DNA Project
                                              El Proyecto de ADN de los Californios


                                            • Randal Soza
                                              Lol! Randal Soza Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin On May 9, 2014, at 9:35 PM, Teddi Montes o2bnbaja@eoni.com[MexicoDNAProject]
                                              Message 22 of 28 , May 9, 2014
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                                                Lol!

                                                Randal Soza

                                                Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                                On May 9, 2014, at 9:35 PM, "Teddi Montes o2bnbaja@... [MexicoDNAProject]" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                 

                                                I should NEVER type when I am excited or tired....I can spell...conference.....


                                                Teddi


                                                On May 9, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Teddi Montes o2bnbaja@... [MexicoDNAProject] wrote:

                                                 

                                                Gary-The initial Y-12 results came back tonight for the two Baja
                                                California Native Americans I tested in my project in March.....They
                                                are both Q-M3...one is Pai Pai and the other Kumiai.

                                                As soon as their mtdna and other Y results get done, I will see that
                                                you get the trees I put together and other info-the trees will take a
                                                lot of research which I will do this summer as I have a big
                                                presentation to do in NorCal at a conferece and that is keeping me
                                                busy too.

                                                The surnames in the trees are not typical Californio names except for
                                                one or so. There are unusual Spanish surnames. This is really
                                                interesting and I am glad I thought out of the box when I came upon
                                                these guys!

                                                I am returning in October for more testing!

                                                Teddi Montes
                                                The Californio DNA Project
                                                El Proyecto de ADN de los Californios


                                              • Alicia Carrillo
                                                Teddi, We are so looking forward to your presentation in August. If anyone is interested, here s a copy of the program and Teddi s Introduction. If interested
                                                Message 23 of 28 , May 9, 2014
                                                Teddi,

                                                We are so looking forward to your presentation in August. If anyone is interested, here's a copy of the program and Teddi's Introduction. If interested in attending, you can contact me for more detailed information.


                                                On Friday, May 9, 2014 9:30 PM, "Teddi Montes o2bnbaja@... [MexicoDNAProject]" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                 
                                                Gary-The initial Y-12 results came back tonight for the two Baja
                                                California Native Americans I tested in my project in March.....They
                                                are both Q-M3...one is Pai Pai and the other Kumiai.

                                                As soon as their mtdna and other Y results get done, I will see that
                                                you get the trees I put together and other info-the trees will take a
                                                lot of research which I will do this summer as I have a big
                                                presentation to do in NorCal at a conferece and that is keeping me
                                                busy too.

                                                The surnames in the trees are not typical Californio names except for
                                                one or so. There are unusual Spanish surnames. This is really
                                                interesting and I am glad I thought out of the box when I came upon
                                                these guys!

                                                I am returning in October for more testing!

                                                Teddi Montes
                                                The Californio DNA Project
                                                El Proyecto de ADN de los Californios



                                              • Gary Felix
                                                Hi Teddi, where are his Family Finder matches from? Gary ________________________________ From: Teddi Montes To:
                                                Message 24 of 28 , May 10, 2014
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                                                  Hi Teddi,
                                                  where are his Family Finder matches from?

                                                  Gary


                                                  From: Teddi Montes <o2bnbaja@...>
                                                  To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:31 PM
                                                  Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Native American/new Origins changed again!

                                                   
                                                  Well, my native American Pai Pai testee, FF results about a week ago, originally had 74% Native American, abt 23% Euro, and 4% or so Yakut, Han....

                                                  NOW as of yesterday, a whole 'nuther bunch of stuff...so what do we make of this???

                                                  New is:

                                                  New World  47%
                                                         Bering Expansion  47%
                                                  European    27%
                                                         Euro northlands   25%
                                                         Euro coastal islands  2%

                                                  East Asian   19%
                                                         Asian Northeast  19%

                                                  Central/south Asian   4%
                                                         Eurasian heartland  4%

                                                  Middle Eastern     3%
                                                         North African Coastlands  3%

                                                   This man's family has been in this same village for over 6 generations and this is a KNOWN Pai Pai community.  His 3 generation tree has a surname connection to Spanish/Mexican ranchos of the 1800s in San Diego county.


                                                  Any thought on this??  The more I learn the less I know.

                                                  Teddi Montes

                                                         
                                                  On May 8, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Randal Soza wrote:

                                                   

                                                  Interesting......GedMatch lists him as less than 2% NA, and yet he's 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                                  Randal Soza

                                                  Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                                  On May 8, 2014, at 3:50 AM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:

                                                   

                                                  Joel H.,
                                                  according to gedmatch you are less than 2 percent NA. 

                                                  Gary


                                                  From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                                  To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:42 PM
                                                  Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                                   
                                                  Gary:

                                                  What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                                                  Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                                                  Vadim:

                                                  Thank you for your response.

                                                  I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                                  Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                                                  To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                                                  My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                                                  The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                                                  Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                                                  What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                                                  I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                                                  Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                                                  What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                                                  What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                                                  Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                                                  The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                                                  Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                                                  Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                                                  My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                                                  Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                                                  Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                                                  Population  
                                                  North_Sea34.36%
                                                  Atlantic 27.79%
                                                  Baltic9.68%
                                                  Eastern_Euro 8.73%
                                                  West_Med11.23%
                                                  West_Asian 3.94%
                                                  East_Med1.27%
                                                  Red_Sea 0.49%
                                                  South_Asian-    
                                                  Southeast_Asian-    
                                                  Siberian-    
                                                  Amerindian1.34%
                                                  Oceanian0.32%
                                                  Northeast_African0.86%
                                                  Sub-Saharan -    

                                                  They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                                                  Eurogenes  Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                                                  Population  
                                                  North_Sea34.36%
                                                  Atlantic27.79%
                                                  Baltic9.68%
                                                  Eastern_Euro8.73%
                                                  West_Med11.23%
                                                  West_Asian 3.94%
                                                  East_Med1.27%
                                                  Red_Sea 0.49%
                                                  South_Asian-    
                                                  Southeast_Asian-    
                                                  Siberian-    
                                                  Amerindian1.34%
                                                  Oceanian0.32%
                                                  Northeast_African0.86%
                                                  Sub-Saharan
                                                  -    
                                                   Eurogenes K13 model

                                                   

                                                  Population  
                                                  North_Atlantic46.84%
                                                  Baltic23.39%
                                                  West_Med 15.51%
                                                  West_Asian6.26%
                                                  East_Med 3.63%
                                                  Red_Sea1.00%
                                                  South_Asian -    
                                                  East_Asian-    
                                                  Siberian -    
                                                  Amerindian1.87%
                                                  Oceanian 0.54%
                                                  Northeast_African0.97%
                                                  Sub-Saharan-    

                                                  There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                                                  MDLP Project MDLP World Indian-East
                                                  MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                                                  MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                                                  MDLP Project MDLP World-22  Indian
                                                  MDLP Project  MDLP World-22 Indian
                                                  MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                                                  MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                                                  Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                                                  Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                                  Eurogenes  EUtest South_Indian
                                                  Eurogenes Jtest South_Indian
                                                  Dodecad Dodecad K12b  Indian
                                                  Dodecad  Dodecad K7b Indian
                                                  Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                                                  Dodecad World9  Indian
                                                  HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld caribbean-indian
                                                  HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                                                  HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                                                  HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                                                  HarappaWorld HarappaWorld  singapore-indian-d
                                                  HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld south-african-indian

                                                  What about the ones with
                                                  Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15  North_Amerindian
                                                  Eurogenes  Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                                   
                                                  North_Sea
                                                  34.36%
                                                  Atlantic
                                                  27.79%
                                                  Baltic
                                                  9.68%
                                                  Eastern_Euro
                                                  8.73%
                                                  West_Med
                                                  11.23%
                                                  West_Asian
                                                  3.94%
                                                  East_Med
                                                  1.27%
                                                  Red_Sea
                                                  0.49%
                                                  South_Asian
                                                  -
                                                  Southeast_Asian
                                                  -
                                                  Siberian
                                                  -
                                                  Amerindian
                                                  1.34%
                                                  Oceanian
                                                  0.32%
                                                  Northeast_African
                                                  0.86%
                                                  Sub-Saharan
                                                  -
                                                   
                                                  Population
                                                  North_Atlantic
                                                  46.84%
                                                  Baltic
                                                  23.39%
                                                  West_Med
                                                  15.51%
                                                  West_Asian
                                                  6.26%
                                                  East_Med
                                                  3.63%
                                                  Red_Sea
                                                  1.00%
                                                  South_Asian
                                                  -
                                                  East_Asian
                                                  -
                                                  Siberian
                                                  -
                                                  Amerindian
                                                  1.87%
                                                  Oceanian
                                                  0.54%
                                                  Northeast_African
                                                  0.97%
                                                  Sub-Saharan
                                                  -
                                                   
                                                  Population
                                                  S-Indian
                                                  -
                                                  Baloch
                                                  10.38%
                                                  Caucasian
                                                  7.25%
                                                  NE-Euro
                                                  47.13%
                                                  SE-Asian
                                                  -
                                                  Siberian
                                                  -
                                                  NE-Asian
                                                  -
                                                  Papuan
                                                  -
                                                  American
                                                  1.12%
                                                  Beringian
                                                  -
                                                  Mediterranean
                                                  32.78%
                                                  SW-Asian
                                                  0.84%
                                                  San
                                                  0.32%
                                                  E-African
                                                  -
                                                  Pygmy
                                                  -
                                                  W-African
                                                  0.15%
                                                   
                                                   
                                                  Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                                  From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                                  To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                                                  Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                                   
                                                  Hello Joel K.,
                                                  FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                                                  If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                                                  Gary

                                                  From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                                  To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                                                  Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                                   
                                                  Halo:

                                                  Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                                                  How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                                                  What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                                                  Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                                                  Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                                                  My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                                                  GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                                                  r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                                                  I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                                                  Any comments are requested for input.      

                                                    
                                                  Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                                  From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                                  To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                                                  Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                                   
                                                  Hi Alicia,
                                                  >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                                                  Yes in addition to East Asian.

                                                  >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                                                  The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                                                  >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                                                  >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                                                  Gary
                                                  Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                                                  From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                                                  To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                                                  Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                                   
                                                  Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                                                  Alicia







                                                • Teddi Montes
                                                  Gary-I have been out of town...I will answer your question sometime today. Surprisngly, one in my family s kits is the 2nd name on page 1 of his FF results
                                                  Message 25 of 28 , May 15, 2014
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                                                    Gary-I have been out of town...I will answer your question sometime today.  Surprisngly, one in my family's kits is the 2nd name on page 1 of his FF results but w only 77 cm. I suspect that the connection is the Baja California Californio connection and old....

                                                    Both he and the 2nd NA testee are Q-M3 for Y...I think FTDNA is doing a snp test.   Mtdna should be done next week for both.

                                                    Teddi

                                                    PS  1st name at the top is a person who is a sperm donor child, conceived at a clinic in Washington and bprn in Australia so he knows nothing at all!!...shown as 2nd-4th cousin.


                                                    On May 10, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Gary Felix garyf@... [MexicoDNAProject] wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Hi Teddi,
                                                    where are his Family Finder matches from?

                                                    Gary


                                                    From: Teddi Montes <o2bnbaja@...>
                                                    To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:31 PM
                                                    Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Native American/new Origins changed again!

                                                     
                                                    Well, my native American Pai Pai testee, FF results about a week ago, originally had 74% Native American, abt 23% Euro, and 4% or so Yakut, Han....

                                                    NOW as of yesterday, a whole 'nuther bunch of stuff...so what do we make of this???

                                                    New is:

                                                    New World  47%
                                                           Bering Expansion  47%
                                                    European    27%
                                                           Euro northlands   25%
                                                           Euro coastal islands  2%

                                                    East Asian   19%
                                                           Asian Northeast  19%

                                                    Central/south Asian   4%
                                                           Eurasian heartland  4%

                                                    Middle Eastern     3%
                                                           North African Coastlands  3%

                                                     This man's family has been in this same village for over 6 generations and this is a KNOWN Pai Pai community.  His 3 generation tree has a surname connection to Spanish/Mexican ranchos of the 1800s in San Diego county.


                                                    Any thought on this??  The more I learn the less I know.

                                                    Teddi Montes

                                                           
                                                    On May 8, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Randal Soza wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Interesting......GedMatch lists him as less than 2% NA, and yet he's 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                                    Randal Soza

                                                    Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                                    On May 8, 2014, at 3:50 AM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Joel H.,
                                                    according to gedmatch you are less than 2 percent NA. 

                                                    Gary


                                                    From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                                    To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:42 PM
                                                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                                     
                                                    Gary:

                                                    What are the number of North American Indians by tribes in the gene pool for only North American Indians?
                                                    Same question for Central and South America for specific Indian tribes in the gene pool?

                                                    Vadim:

                                                    Thank you for your response.

                                                    I am an enrolled Cherokee Indian with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. I am list as 2/4 DIB Cherokee.

                                                    Dr. Eske Willerslev has done DNA autosomal research with the Mal'ta male child from a Siberia dated 24,000, MA-1, the Anzick-1, male child in Montana, USA, dated 17,000 and I and others, total 11, with the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama have provided saliva DNA samples to be compared with known gene pools and the Mal'ta child and the Anzick child.

                                                    To my knowledge there are no know DNA samples from Alabama from official government recognized tribes in Alabama for 2014.  

                                                    My Cherokee linage is my mother, full blood on death certificate, grandmother Nellie Beard 1894, great grandmother Lucinda Roberts 1860, great, great, great grandmother 1840 Little Terrapin and great, great, great, great grandmother 1780 Tissie.

                                                    The male side has English, 1780, Irish, and English 1942 my father.

                                                    Question. How accurate is the autosomal to match or miss my grandmothers and match only the European genes?

                                                    What is the size, N, for the gene pool for this calculations?

                                                    I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have some knowledge with statistical analysis. The N size is significant with an scientific research.

                                                    Question. The Indian, Native American, for only North America.

                                                    What is the N, sample for the gene pool? What specific tribes? What are the dates of the samples?
                                                    What is the N, samples, taken since 2000 to 2014 for Native American in only North America and from what government recognized tribes, federal and state?

                                                    Question. What would be the difference from early DNA samples from only North American Native Americans VS current, 2014, DNA samples only for North American Native Americans?

                                                    The Mal'ta male child had Y DNA hg R and the mt DNA hg U.  Dr. Willerslev is only sequencing the autosomal.

                                                    Lastly, are there any more genetic Native Americans in North America?

                                                    Your comments and suggestions will be most appreciated.


                                                    My question;  are these my results or are they the results of the male child found in Montana dated 17,000 years ago? The same for the MA-1 Mal'ta male child from Siberia dated 24,000.

                                                    Dr. Eske Willerslev was provide salvia samples for autosomal sequencing by about 11 tribal members from the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama dated for 2014.  

                                                    Anzick-1  Eurogenes K13 model
                                                    Population  
                                                    North_Sea34.36%
                                                    Atlantic 27.79%
                                                    Baltic9.68%
                                                    Eastern_Euro 8.73%
                                                    West_Med11.23%
                                                    West_Asian 3.94%
                                                    East_Med1.27%
                                                    Red_Sea 0.49%
                                                    South_Asian-    
                                                    Southeast_Asian-    
                                                    Siberian-    
                                                    Amerindian1.34%
                                                    Oceanian0.32%
                                                    Northeast_African0.86%
                                                    Sub-Saharan -    

                                                    They list MA-1 and Anzick-1.
                                                    Eurogenes  Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 MA-1

                                                    Population  
                                                    North_Sea34.36%
                                                    Atlantic27.79%
                                                    Baltic9.68%
                                                    Eastern_Euro8.73%
                                                    West_Med11.23%
                                                    West_Asian 3.94%
                                                    East_Med1.27%
                                                    Red_Sea 0.49%
                                                    South_Asian-    
                                                    Southeast_Asian-    
                                                    Siberian-    
                                                    Amerindian1.34%
                                                    Oceanian0.32%
                                                    Northeast_African0.86%
                                                    Sub-Saharan
                                                    -    
                                                     Eurogenes K13 model

                                                     

                                                    Population  
                                                    North_Atlantic46.84%
                                                    Baltic23.39%
                                                    West_Med 15.51%
                                                    West_Asian6.26%
                                                    East_Med 3.63%
                                                    Red_Sea1.00%
                                                    South_Asian -    
                                                    East_Asian-    
                                                    Siberian -    
                                                    Amerindian1.87%
                                                    Oceanian 0.54%
                                                    Northeast_African0.97%
                                                    Sub-Saharan-    

                                                    There are 4 options with MDLP-22. Which one.
                                                    MDLP Project MDLP World Indian-East
                                                    MDLP Project MDLP World Indian_East
                                                    MDLP Project MDLP World Indian
                                                    MDLP Project MDLP World-22  Indian
                                                    MDLP Project  MDLP World-22 Indian
                                                    MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian_East
                                                    MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Indian-East
                                                    Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 North_Amerindian
                                                    Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                                    Eurogenes  EUtest South_Indian
                                                    Eurogenes Jtest South_Indian
                                                    Dodecad Dodecad K12b  Indian
                                                    Dodecad  Dodecad K7b Indian
                                                    Dodecad Dodecad V3 Indian
                                                    Dodecad World9  Indian
                                                    HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld caribbean-indian
                                                    HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-a
                                                    HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-b
                                                    HarappaWorld HarappaWorld singapore-indian-c
                                                    HarappaWorld HarappaWorld  singapore-indian-d
                                                    HarappaWorld  HarappaWorld south-african-indian

                                                    What about the ones with
                                                    Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15  North_Amerindian
                                                    Eurogenes  Eurogenes K13 North_Amerindian
                                                     
                                                    North_Sea
                                                    34.36%
                                                    Atlantic
                                                    27.79%
                                                    Baltic
                                                    9.68%
                                                    Eastern_Euro
                                                    8.73%
                                                    West_Med
                                                    11.23%
                                                    West_Asian
                                                    3.94%
                                                    East_Med
                                                    1.27%
                                                    Red_Sea
                                                    0.49%
                                                    South_Asian
                                                    -
                                                    Southeast_Asian
                                                    -
                                                    Siberian
                                                    -
                                                    Amerindian
                                                    1.34%
                                                    Oceanian
                                                    0.32%
                                                    Northeast_African
                                                    0.86%
                                                    Sub-Saharan
                                                    -
                                                     
                                                    Population
                                                    North_Atlantic
                                                    46.84%
                                                    Baltic
                                                    23.39%
                                                    West_Med
                                                    15.51%
                                                    West_Asian
                                                    6.26%
                                                    East_Med
                                                    3.63%
                                                    Red_Sea
                                                    1.00%
                                                    South_Asian
                                                    -
                                                    East_Asian
                                                    -
                                                    Siberian
                                                    -
                                                    Amerindian
                                                    1.87%
                                                    Oceanian
                                                    0.54%
                                                    Northeast_African
                                                    0.97%
                                                    Sub-Saharan
                                                    -
                                                     
                                                    Population
                                                    S-Indian
                                                    -
                                                    Baloch
                                                    10.38%
                                                    Caucasian
                                                    7.25%
                                                    NE-Euro
                                                    47.13%
                                                    SE-Asian
                                                    -
                                                    Siberian
                                                    -
                                                    NE-Asian
                                                    -
                                                    Papuan
                                                    -
                                                    American
                                                    1.12%
                                                    Beringian
                                                    -
                                                    Mediterranean
                                                    32.78%
                                                    SW-Asian
                                                    0.84%
                                                    San
                                                    0.32%
                                                    E-African
                                                    -
                                                    Pygmy
                                                    -
                                                    W-African
                                                    0.15%
                                                     
                                                     
                                                    Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                                    From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                                    To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:08 PM
                                                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                                     
                                                    Hello Joel K.,
                                                    FTDNA only list the expansion point. Maybe someone has seen the reference populations.

                                                    If you have submitted your results to Gedmatch.Com (MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle), what were your results?

                                                    Gary

                                                    From: JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...>
                                                    To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:00 AM
                                                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                                     
                                                    Halo:

                                                    Does FTDNA provide a directory or list for all Individual Indians by tribe in there gene pool?

                                                    How many tribes are in the gene pool? What specific tribes are in the pool? Federal and state recognized tribes? 

                                                    What is the size of the Indian/tribal pool? How many?

                                                    Does FTDNA confirm by testing if there are any full bloods, Indians, in there DNA pool by specific tribe? 

                                                    Are these DNA pools current or a collection from what specific time frame e.g. 1900's or 2000 etc..

                                                    My interest  is primary for North America VS South America with the names of the specific tribes.

                                                    GEDmatch has MA-1, Mal'ta Child dated 24, 000 yr.s old and the Anzick-1 dated 17,000 in Montana, USA.

                                                    r. Eske Willerslev has acquired samples taken from a few, about 11 members of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama in 2014 who have provided a saliva DNA sample for autosomal.

                                                    I do not know the DNA pool size Dr. Willerslev has of current North American Indians and the specific tribes. Especially those tribes in Alabama, Georgia etc. southeast USA that are current tribal populations, 2014.

                                                    Any comments are requested for input.      

                                                      
                                                    Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                                    From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                                    To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:29 AM
                                                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins
                                                     
                                                    Hi Alicia,
                                                    >Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)??
                                                    Yes in addition to East Asian.

                                                    >East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian?
                                                    The center of this expansion is around Japan and Korea. Since Amerinds are about 20K years removed from NE Asia, and the Na Dene are about 8K years, there should be enough of a difference to be able to separate NA from East Asian DNA. Gedmatch is much better at doing this. We all seem to be showing East Asian as one of our genetic populations. 

                                                    >Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate - my own question is does anyone show this on gedmatch? The only connections I know of is are the Portuguese colonizers whos descendants marry among themselves or the Roma. 

                                                    >African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) This would likely be from the slave trade and those of us with full ancestry from Mexico show about 2 or 3 percent on average.

                                                    Gary
                                                    Mexico DNA Project Admin.
                                                    From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
                                                    To: "mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com" <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
                                                    Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] New Ethnic origins

                                                     
                                                    Family Tree DNA released their new Ethnic origins classification today and it's a bit more comprehensive, although I'm far from an authority on DNA, I would say that I'm a novice. These are my ethnic classifications. European - 59% North Mediterranean Basin, the map shows primarily northern Spain, most likely Basque and south central Italy. New World - shows 23% Bering Expansion, that would be down the Bering strait and along the western coast of the Americas down to Colombia. (This would be my native American heritage)?? East Asian, Northeast - 7% - Most likely Russian, Mongolian? Central/South Asian - 5% - Indian Tectonic Plate African - 3% - Niger, Congo Genesis 2% (this would be my out of Africa lineage?) East Afroasiatic 2% North African Coastlands 1 %

                                                    Alicia









                                                  • cburquez@pacbell.net
                                                    Hello All, In response to this post: How many in the Mexico DNA project know there tribe? Know the tribal language? Speak any of the tribal language? Know the
                                                    Message 26 of 28 , May 17, 2014
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                                                      Hello All,

                                                      In response to this post:

                                                      How many in the Mexico DNA project know there tribe? Know the tribal language? Speak any of the tribal language? Know the clans in there tribe? Know anything about there tribal culture? Have you been to a sweat lodge? A vision quest? A Sundance?

                                                      First my yDNA is Q-M3 or Q1a3a1 and mtDNA is B2g1, I've never been able to match with anyone of these. However I have match with a number of people on Family Finder and Gedmatch. My mothers family is from Sonora Mexico, my father was also born in Sonora in the border town of Nogales. He has family from Arizona and New Mexico. 

                                                      Our Native American ancestry passed down verbally is:
                                                      Father - Apache and possibly Pueblo. 
                                                      Mother - Yaqui and possibly Tohono Oodom (Papago).  

                                                      I've never been to a Sweat Lodge, Vision Quest or Sundance, however if I could I would attend. I attend various Powwows and special NA events and an annual Sunrise Ceremony on Alcatraz. 

                                                      Here is some results from one of the Gedmatch tools I ran, seems interesting. Still trying to figure it all out. Anyone have any ideas, or other good tools to use?

                                                      Thanks Chris,  

                                                      MDLP World Oracle results:

                                                      Kit F26203

                                                       

                                                      Admix Results (sorted):

                                                       

                                                      # Population Percent

                                                      1 South_and_West_European 28.49

                                                      2 Mesoamerican 23.7

                                                      3 Arctic_Amerind 17.74

                                                      4 North_and_East_European 14.12

                                                      5 Middle_East 7.14

                                                      6 Caucaus_Parsia 4.01

                                                      7 Sub_Saharian 3.2

                                                      8 Indian 0.89

                                                      9 Paleo_African 0.52

                                                      10 East_Asian 0.07

                                                      11 North_Asian 0.06

                                                      12 Melanesian 0.05

                                                       

                                                      Single Population Sharing:

                                                       

                                                      # Population (source) Distance

                                                      1 Mexican 3.28

                                                      2 Miwok 5.51

                                                      3 Serrano 11.45

                                                      4 Tsimsian 15.22

                                                      5 Cochimi 15.32

                                                      6 Haida 24.42

                                                      7 Costanoan 26.96

                                                      8 Kumiai 27.29

                                                      9 Puerto-Rican 27.86

                                                      10 Colombian 32.09

                                                      11 Colville 32.59

                                                      12 Aleut 33.76

                                                      13 Cucupa 34.94

                                                      14 Ashkenazim 36.32

                                                      15 Apache 37.88

                                                      16 Ashkenazim_V 38.16

                                                      17 Tlingit 38.93

                                                      18 Romania 38.97

                                                      19 Bulgarian 39.12

                                                      20 Gagauz 39.2

                                                       

                                                      Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

                                                       

                                                      #   Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

                                                      1   83.7% Mexican +  16.3% Tsimsian @  1.43

                                                      2   79.4% Serrano +  20.6% Spaniard @  1.96

                                                      3   79.2% Serrano +  20.8% Iberian @  2.1

                                                      4   81.8% Serrano +  18.2% Basque @  2.13

                                                      5   93.2% Mexican +  6.8% Aleut @  2.15

                                                      6   78.8% Serrano +  21.2% Portugese @  2.44

                                                      7   69.5% Mexican +  30.5% Miwok @  2.47

                                                      8   53.7% Portugese +  46.3% Luiseno @  2.49

                                                      9   92% Mexican +  8% Haida @  2.52

                                                      10   96.2% Mexican +  3.8% Komi @  2.61

                                                      11   96.7% Mexican +  3.3% Vepsa @  2.62

                                                      12   96.7% Mexican +  3.3% Karelian @  2.63

                                                      13   96.8% Mexican +  3.2% Finnish-North @  2.63

                                                      14   96.4% Mexican +  3.6% Inuit-West @  2.64

                                                      15   96.5% Mexican +  3.5% Inkeri @  2.64

                                                      16   96.4% Mexican +  3.6% Udmurd @  2.65

                                                      17   96.2% Mexican +  3.8% Mordovian @  2.65

                                                      18   96.7% Mexican +  3.3% Finnish-South @  2.65

                                                      19   96.6% Mexican +  3.4% Estonian @  2.66

                                                      20   97.2% Mexican +  2.8% Saami @  2.66

                                                       

                                                        
                                                    • JOEL SR
                                                      Halo Chris: We match on some areas, West Greenlander, Anzick-1, MA-1, Mayan, Pima, Karitiana. I have a cousin Richard Amador Flores who is a participant with
                                                      Message 27 of 28 , May 17, 2014
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                                                        Halo Chris:

                                                        We match on some areas,
                                                        West Greenlander, Anzick-1, MA-1, Mayan, Pima, Karitiana.

                                                        I have a cousin Richard Amador Flores who is a participant with FTDNA. 

                                                        We have a clan in California. see the email address.
                                                        Send him an email to attend a clan meeting.

                                                        Ask for an application for enrollment from Dr. Vann. I know we have tribal members from other tribes enrolled.

                                                        Check our website. Look up the Echota Warrior site. I am in it.

                                                        Send me an email if you have any problems communicating with Dr. Vann.

                                                        If you want you can send a letter to our tribal office, see address on website, to request an application to enroll.





                                                        Echota Cherokee Deer Clan West
                                                        Deer Clan West Chief
                                                        Dr. Robert " Nighthawk " Vann
                                                        Bob Vann - deerclan1@...
                                                        Clan Meeting - Second saturday of each month
                                                        Location - Old Meadows Park, Thousand Oaks, Ca.
                                                        Time - 2:00 p.m.
                                                        Meeting and prayer are held prior to a pot luck dinner.
                                                        Guest speakers, demonstrations as well as music
                                                        provided by the Clan members.

                                                         
                                                        Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                                        On Saturday, May 17, 2014 4:59 PM, "cburquez@... [MexicoDNAProject]" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                         
                                                        Hello All,

                                                        In response to this post:

                                                        How many in the Mexico DNA project know there tribe? Know the tribal language? Speak any of the tribal language? Know the clans in there tribe? Know anything about there tribal culture? Have you been to a sweat lodge? A vision quest? A Sundance?

                                                        First my yDNA is Q-M3 or Q1a3a1 and mtDNA is B2g1, I've never been able to match with anyone of these. However I have match with a number of people on Family Finder and Gedmatch. My mothers family is from Sonora Mexico, my father was also born in Sonora in the border town of Nogales. He has family from Arizona and New Mexico. 

                                                        Our Native American ancestry passed down verbally is:
                                                        Father - Apache and possibly Pueblo. 
                                                        Mother - Yaqui and possibly Tohono Oodom (Papago).  

                                                        I've never been to a Sweat Lodge, Vision Quest or Sundance, however if I could I would attend. I attend various Powwows and special NA events and an annual Sunrise Ceremony on Alcatraz. 

                                                        Here is some results from one of the Gedmatch tools I ran, seems interesting. Still trying to figure it all out. Anyone have any ideas, or other good tools to use?

                                                        Thanks Chris,  
                                                        MDLP World Oracle results:
                                                        Kit F26203
                                                         
                                                        Admix Results (sorted):
                                                         
                                                        # Population Percent
                                                        1 South_and_West_European 28.49
                                                        2 Mesoamerican 23.7
                                                        3 Arctic_Amerind 17.74
                                                        4 North_and_East_European 14.12
                                                        5 Middle_East 7.14
                                                        6 Caucaus_Parsia 4.01
                                                        7 Sub_Saharian 3.2
                                                        8 Indian 0.89
                                                        9 Paleo_African 0.52
                                                        10 East_Asian 0.07
                                                        11 North_Asian 0.06
                                                        12 Melanesian 0.05
                                                         
                                                        Single Population Sharing:
                                                         
                                                        # Population (source) Distance
                                                        1 Mexican 3.28
                                                        2 Miwok 5.51
                                                        3 Serrano 11.45
                                                        4 Tsimsian 15.22
                                                        5 Cochimi 15.32
                                                        6 Haida 24.42
                                                        7 Costanoan 26.96
                                                        8 Kumiai 27.29
                                                        9 Puerto-Rican 27.86
                                                        10 Colombian 32.09
                                                        11 Colville 32.59
                                                        12 Aleut 33.76
                                                        13 Cucupa 34.94
                                                        14 Ashkenazim 36.32
                                                        15 Apache 37.88
                                                        16 Ashkenazim_V 38.16
                                                        17 Tlingit 38.93
                                                        18 Romania 38.97
                                                        19 Bulgarian 39.12
                                                        20 Gagauz 39.2
                                                         
                                                        Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
                                                         
                                                        #   Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
                                                        1   83.7% Mexican +  16.3% Tsimsian @  1.43
                                                        2   79.4% Serrano +  20.6% Spaniard @  1.96
                                                        3   79.2% Serrano +  20.8% Iberian @  2.1
                                                        4   81.8% Serrano +  18.2% Basque @  2.13
                                                        5   93.2% Mexican +  6.8% Aleut @  2.15
                                                        6   78.8% Serrano +  21.2% Portugese @  2.44
                                                        7   69.5% Mexican +  30.5% Miwok @  2.47
                                                        8   53.7% Portugese +  46.3% Luiseno @  2.49
                                                        9   92% Mexican +  8% Haida @  2.52
                                                        10   96.2% Mexican +  3.8% Komi @  2.61
                                                        11   96.7% Mexican +  3.3% Vepsa @  2.62
                                                        12   96.7% Mexican +  3.3% Karelian @  2.63
                                                        13   96.8% Mexican +  3.2% Finnish-North @  2.63
                                                        14   96.4% Mexican +  3.6% Inuit-West @  2.64
                                                        15   96.5% Mexican +  3.5% Inkeri @  2.64
                                                        16   96.4% Mexican +  3.6% Udmurd @  2.65
                                                        17   96.2% Mexican +  3.8% Mordovian @  2.65
                                                        18   96.7% Mexican +  3.3% Finnish-South @  2.65
                                                        19   96.6% Mexican +  3.4% Estonian @  2.66
                                                        20   97.2% Mexican +  2.8% Saami @  2.66
                                                         
                                                          


                                                      • Christopher Burquez
                                                        Thanks Joel,  I ll check it out!!  On Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:44 PM, JOEL SR hrjoel3@bellsouth.net [MexicoDNAProject]
                                                        Message 28 of 28 , May 17, 2014
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                                                          Thanks Joel, 

                                                          I'll check it out!! 
                                                          On Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:44 PM, "JOEL SR hrjoel3@... [MexicoDNAProject]" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                           
                                                          Halo Chris:

                                                          We match on some areas,
                                                          West Greenlander, Anzick-1, MA-1, Mayan, Pima, Karitiana.

                                                          I have a cousin Richard Amador Flores who is a participant with FTDNA. 

                                                          We have a clan in California. see the email address.
                                                          Send him an email to attend a clan meeting.

                                                          Ask for an application for enrollment from Dr. Vann. I know we have tribal members from other tribes enrolled.

                                                          Check our website. Look up the Echota Warrior site. I am in it.

                                                          Send me an email if you have any problems communicating with Dr. Vann.

                                                          If you want you can send a letter to our tribal office, see address on website, to request an application to enroll.





                                                          Echota Cherokee Deer Clan West
                                                          Deer Clan West Chief
                                                          Dr. Robert " Nighthawk " Vann
                                                          Bob Vann - deerclan1@...
                                                          Clan Meeting - Second saturday of each month
                                                          Location - Old Meadows Park, Thousand Oaks, Ca.
                                                          Time - 2:00 p.m.
                                                          Meeting and prayer are held prior to a pot luck dinner.
                                                          Guest speakers, demonstrations as well as music
                                                          provided by the Clan members.

                                                           
                                                          Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
                                                          On Saturday, May 17, 2014 4:59 PM, "cburquez@... [MexicoDNAProject]" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                           
                                                          Hello All,

                                                          In response to this post:

                                                          How many in the Mexico DNA project know there tribe? Know the tribal language? Speak any of the tribal language? Know the clans in there tribe? Know anything about there tribal culture? Have you been to a sweat lodge? A vision quest? A Sundance?

                                                          First my yDNA is Q-M3 or Q1a3a1 and mtDNA is B2g1, I've never been able to match with anyone of these. However I have match with a number of people on Family Finder and Gedmatch. My mothers family is from Sonora Mexico, my father was also born in Sonora in the border town of Nogales. He has family from Arizona and New Mexico. 

                                                          Our Native American ancestry passed down verbally is:
                                                          Father - Apache and possibly Pueblo. 
                                                          Mother - Yaqui and possibly Tohono Oodom (Papago).  

                                                          I've never been to a Sweat Lodge, Vision Quest or Sundance, however if I could I would attend. I attend various Powwows and special NA events and an annual Sunrise Ceremony on Alcatraz. 

                                                          Here is some results from one of the Gedmatch tools I ran, seems interesting. Still trying to figure it all out. Anyone have any ideas, or other good tools to use?

                                                          Thanks Chris,  
                                                          MDLP World Oracle results:
                                                          Kit F26203
                                                           
                                                          Admix Results (sorted):
                                                           
                                                          # Population Percent
                                                          1 South_and_West_European 28.49
                                                          2 Mesoamerican 23.7
                                                          3 Arctic_Amerind 17.74
                                                          4 North_and_East_European 14.12
                                                          5 Middle_East 7.14
                                                          6 Caucaus_Parsia 4.01
                                                          7 Sub_Saharian 3.2
                                                          8 Indian 0.89
                                                          9 Paleo_African 0.52
                                                          10 East_Asian 0.07
                                                          11 North_Asian 0.06
                                                          12 Melanesian 0.05
                                                           
                                                          Single Population Sharing:
                                                           
                                                          # Population (source) Distance
                                                          1 Mexican 3.28
                                                          2 Miwok 5.51
                                                          3 Serrano 11.45
                                                          4 Tsimsian 15.22
                                                          5 Cochimi 15.32
                                                          6 Haida 24.42
                                                          7 Costanoan 26.96
                                                          8 Kumiai 27.29
                                                          9 Puerto-Rican 27.86
                                                          10 Colombian 32.09
                                                          11 Colville 32.59
                                                          12 Aleut 33.76
                                                          13 Cucupa 34.94
                                                          14 Ashkenazim 36.32
                                                          15 Apache 37.88
                                                          16 Ashkenazim_V 38.16
                                                          17 Tlingit 38.93
                                                          18 Romania 38.97
                                                          19 Bulgarian 39.12
                                                          20 Gagauz 39.2
                                                           
                                                          Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
                                                           
                                                          #   Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
                                                          1   83.7% Mexican +  16.3% Tsimsian @  1.43
                                                          2   79.4% Serrano +  20.6% Spaniard @  1.96
                                                          3   79.2% Serrano +  20.8% Iberian @  2.1
                                                          4   81.8% Serrano +  18.2% Basque @  2.13
                                                          5   93.2% Mexican +  6.8% Aleut @  2.15
                                                          6   78.8% Serrano +  21.2% Portugese @  2.44
                                                          7   69.5% Mexican +  30.5% Miwok @  2.47
                                                          8   53.7% Portugese +  46.3% Luiseno @  2.49
                                                          9   92% Mexican +  8% Haida @  2.52
                                                          10   96.2% Mexican +  3.8% Komi @  2.61
                                                          11   96.7% Mexican +  3.3% Vepsa @  2.62
                                                          12   96.7% Mexican +  3.3% Karelian @  2.63
                                                          13   96.8% Mexican +  3.2% Finnish-North @  2.63
                                                          14   96.4% Mexican +  3.6% Inuit-West @  2.64
                                                          15   96.5% Mexican +  3.5% Inkeri @  2.64
                                                          16   96.4% Mexican +  3.6% Udmurd @  2.65
                                                          17   96.2% Mexican +  3.8% Mordovian @  2.65
                                                          18   96.7% Mexican +  3.3% Finnish-South @  2.65
                                                          19   96.6% Mexican +  3.4% Estonian @  2.66
                                                          20   97.2% Mexican +  2.8% Saami @  2.66
                                                           
                                                            




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