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  • garyf@pacbell.net
    Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don t use it. http://www.gedmatch.com/ http://www.gedmatch.com/ Gary
    Message 1 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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      Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

      Gary
    • Joel Peres
      Gary, 3 population? Is that dienekes? polaco? I can t seem to find the link that says 3 populations. Thanks! ᐧ ... Gary, 3 population? Is that dienekes?
      Message 2 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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        Gary,
        3 population?
        Is that dienekes? polaco?
        I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
        Thanks!  


        On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
         

        Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.


        Gary


      • Gary Felix
        Joel, under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4 Gary ________________________________ From: Joel Peres
        Message 3 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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          Joel,
          under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

          Gary


          From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
          To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
          Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

           
          Gary,
          3 population?
          Is that dienekes? polaco?
          I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
          Thanks!  


          On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
           
          Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

          Gary



        • Joel Peres
          Fantastic! As always thanks Gary. For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj. Saludos! ᐧ ... Fantastic!  As
          Message 4 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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            Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


            On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
             

            Joel,
            under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

            Gary


            From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
            To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
            Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

             
            Gary,
            3 population?
            Is that dienekes? polaco?
            I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
            Thanks!  


            On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
             
            Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

            Gary




          • Gary Felix
            Your welcome Joel, Saludos Gary ________________________________ From: Joel Peres To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
            Message 5 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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              Your welcome Joel,

              Saludos

              Gary


              From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
              To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 5:11 PM
              Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

               
              Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


              On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
               
              Joel,
              under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

              Gary


              From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
              To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
              Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

               
              Gary,
              3 population?
              Is that dienekes? polaco?
              I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
              Thanks!  


              On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
               
              Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

              Gary






            • Joel Peres
              you re right Gary, here s mine & my parents: Using 4 populations approximation: 1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + West_Sicilian @ 5.779 2 Algerian +
              Message 6 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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                you're right Gary, here's mine & my parents:
                Using 4 populations approximation:
                1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + West_Sicilian @ 5.779
                2 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 5.959
                3 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.995
                4 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.019
                5 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + South_Italian @ 6.032
                6 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 6.081
                7 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.146
                8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.157
                9 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Moroccan @ 6.227
                10 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.229
                11 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.238
                12 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.317
                13 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.392
                14 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima @ 6.422
                15 French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 6.445
                16 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.468
                17 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Pima @ 6.481
                18 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.482
                19 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tuscan @ 6.494
                20 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish @ 6.536

                Mom
                Using 4 populations approximation:
                1 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.663
                2 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.879
                3 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.074
                4 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.162
                5 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.247
                6 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Pima + Pima @ 3.420
                7 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.425
                8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.463
                9 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.536
                10 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.545
                11 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.613
                12 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.680
                13 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.680
                14 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.740
                15 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.817
                16 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.825
                17 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.852
                18 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.948
                19 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.990
                20 French_Basque + Karitiana + North_Amerindian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.029


                On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...> wrote:
                Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


                On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
                 

                Joel,
                under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                Gary


                From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                 
                Gary,
                3 population?
                Is that dienekes? polaco?
                I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                Thanks!  


                On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                 
                Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                Gary





              • Meyerson Marie
                I have my results; however, not quite sure how to decipher it. Can anyone provide some guidance or direct me to where I can get details to help figure it out.
                Message 7 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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                  I have my results; however, not quite sure how to decipher it.  Can anyone provide some guidance or direct me to where I can get details to help figure it out.  I can see you all have been at this for a while but I am a newbie at this.

                  LM Meyerson

                  On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Joel Peres wrote:

                   

                  you're right Gary, here's mine & my parents:
                  Using 4 populations approximation:
                  1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + West_Sicilian @ 5.779
                  2 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 5.959
                  3 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.995
                  4 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.019
                  5 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + South_Italian @ 6.032
                  6 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 6.081
                  7 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.146
                  8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.157
                  9 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Moroccan @ 6.227
                  10 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.229
                  11 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.238
                  12 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.317
                  13 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.392
                  14 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima @ 6.422
                  15 French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 6.445
                  16 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.468
                  17 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Pima @ 6.481
                  18 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.482
                  19 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tuscan @ 6.494
                  20 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish @ 6.536

                  Mom
                  Using 4 populations approximation:
                  1 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.663
                  2 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.879
                  3 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.074
                  4 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.162
                  5 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.247
                  6 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Pima + Pima @ 3.420
                  7 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.425
                  8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.463
                  9 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.536
                  10 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.545
                  11 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.613
                  12 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.680
                  13 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.680
                  14 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.740
                  15 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.817
                  16 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.825
                  17 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.852
                  18 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.948
                  19 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.990
                  20 French_Basque + Karitiana + North_Amerindian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.029


                  On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...> wrote:
                  Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


                  On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
                   

                  Joel,
                  under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                  Gary


                  From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                  To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                  Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                   
                  Gary,
                  3 population?
                  Is that dienekes? polaco?
                  I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                  Thanks!  


                  On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                   
                  Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                  Gary








                • Gary Felix
                  LM, happy to help. Have you submitted your results to Gedmatch? Gary Sent from my iPhone ... LM, happy to help. Have you submitted your results to Gedmatch?
                  Message 8 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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                    LM, happy to help. Have you submitted your results to Gedmatch?

                    Gary

                    Sent from my iPhone

                    On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                     

                    I have my results; however, not quite sure how to decipher it.  Can anyone provide some guidance or direct me to where I can get details to help figure it out.  I can see you all have been at this for a while but I am a newbie at this.


                    LM Meyerson

                    On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Joel Peres wrote:

                     

                    you're right Gary, here's mine & my parents:
                    Using 4 populations approximation:
                    1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + West_Sicilian @ 5.779
                    2 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 5.959
                    3 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.995
                    4 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.019
                    5 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + South_Italian @ 6.032
                    6 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 6.081
                    7 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.146
                    8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.157
                    9 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Moroccan @ 6.227
                    10 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.229
                    11 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.238
                    12 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.317
                    13 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.392
                    14 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima @ 6.422
                    15 French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 6.445
                    16 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.468
                    17 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Pima @ 6.481
                    18 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.482
                    19 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tuscan @ 6.494
                    20 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish @ 6.536

                    Mom
                    Using 4 populations approximation:
                    1 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.663
                    2 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.879
                    3 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.074
                    4 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.162
                    5 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.247
                    6 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Pima + Pima @ 3.420
                    7 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.425
                    8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.463
                    9 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.536
                    10 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.545
                    11 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.613
                    12 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.680
                    13 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.680
                    14 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.740
                    15 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.817
                    16 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.825
                    17 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.852
                    18 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.948
                    19 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.990
                    20 French_Basque + Karitiana + North_Amerindian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.029


                    On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...> wrote:
                    Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


                    On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
                     

                    Joel,
                    under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                    Gary


                    From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                    To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                     
                    Gary,
                    3 population?
                    Is that dienekes? polaco?
                    I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                    Thanks!  


                    On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                     
                    Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                    Gary








                  • Meyerson Marie
                    I received results after I provided raw data from 23+me to Gedmatch. I can look up data similar to what Joel shared below, not sure what it all means. Should
                    Message 9 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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                      I received results after I provided raw data from 23+me to Gedmatch.  I can look up data similar to what Joel shared below, not sure what it all means.  Should I be forwarding that info back to Gedmatch?

                      Thanks

                      BTW, my name is Luz :-)


                      On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                       

                      LM, happy to help. Have you submitted your results to Gedmatch?

                      Gary

                      Sent from my iPhone

                      On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                       

                      I have my results; however, not quite sure how to decipher it.  Can anyone provide some guidance or direct me to where I can get details to help figure it out.  I can see you all have been at this for a while but I am a newbie at this.


                      LM Meyerson

                      On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Joel Peres wrote:

                       

                      you're right Gary, here's mine & my parents:
                      Using 4 populations approximation:
                      1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + West_Sicilian @ 5.779
                      2 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 5.959
                      3 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.995
                      4 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.019
                      5 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + South_Italian @ 6.032
                      6 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 6.081
                      7 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.146
                      8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.157
                      9 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Moroccan @ 6.227
                      10 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.229
                      11 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.238
                      12 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.317
                      13 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.392
                      14 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima @ 6.422
                      15 French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 6.445
                      16 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.468
                      17 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Pima @ 6.481
                      18 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.482
                      19 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tuscan @ 6.494
                      20 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish @ 6.536

                      Mom
                      Using 4 populations approximation:
                      1 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.663
                      2 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.879
                      3 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.074
                      4 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.162
                      5 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.247
                      6 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Pima + Pima @ 3.420
                      7 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.425
                      8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.463
                      9 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.536
                      10 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.545
                      11 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.613
                      12 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.680
                      13 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.680
                      14 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.740
                      15 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.817
                      16 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.825
                      17 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.852
                      18 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.948
                      19 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.990
                      20 French_Basque + Karitiana + North_Amerindian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.029


                      On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...> wrote:
                      Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


                      On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
                       

                      Joel,
                      under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                      Gary


                      From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                       
                      Gary,
                      3 population?
                      Is that dienekes? polaco?
                      I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                      Thanks!  


                      On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                       
                      Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                      Gary











                    • Gary Felix
                      Hi Luz, If you see the 3 population results each line is broken down by approx percentage and is an individual approximation or prediction. It appears they are
                      Message 10 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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                        Hi Luz,
                        If you see the 3 population results each line is broken down by approx percentage and is an individual approximation or prediction. It appears they are in order of confidence level. 

                        I will share mine when I get home.

                        Gary



                        Sent from my iPhone

                        On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                         

                        I received results after I provided raw data from 23+me to Gedmatch.  I can look up data similar to what Joel shared below, not sure what it all means.  Should I be forwarding that info back to Gedmatch?


                        Thanks

                        BTW, my name is Luz :-)


                        On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                         

                        LM, happy to help. Have you submitted your results to Gedmatch?

                        Gary

                        Sent from my iPhone

                        On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                         

                        I have my results; however, not quite sure how to decipher it.  Can anyone provide some guidance or direct me to where I can get details to help figure it out.  I can see you all have been at this for a while but I am a newbie at this.


                        LM Meyerson

                        On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Joel Peres wrote:

                         

                        you're right Gary, here's mine & my parents:
                        Using 4 populations approximation:
                        1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + West_Sicilian @ 5.779
                        2 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 5.959
                        3 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.995
                        4 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.019
                        5 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + South_Italian @ 6.032
                        6 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 6.081
                        7 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.146
                        8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.157
                        9 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Moroccan @ 6.227
                        10 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.229
                        11 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.238
                        12 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.317
                        13 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.392
                        14 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima @ 6.422
                        15 French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 6.445
                        16 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.468
                        17 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Pima @ 6.481
                        18 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.482
                        19 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tuscan @ 6.494
                        20 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish @ 6.536

                        Mom
                        Using 4 populations approximation:
                        1 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.663
                        2 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.879
                        3 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.074
                        4 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.162
                        5 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.247
                        6 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Pima + Pima @ 3.420
                        7 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.425
                        8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.463
                        9 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.536
                        10 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.545
                        11 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.613
                        12 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.680
                        13 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.680
                        14 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.740
                        15 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.817
                        16 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.825
                        17 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.852
                        18 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.948
                        19 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.990
                        20 French_Basque + Karitiana + North_Amerindian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.029


                        On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...> wrote:
                        Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


                        On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
                         

                        Joel,
                        under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                        Gary


                        From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                        To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                        Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                         
                        Gary,
                        3 population?
                        Is that dienekes? polaco?
                        I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                        Thanks!  


                        On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                         
                        Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                        Gary











                      • Meyerson Marie
                        Gary, Here is mine so perhaps it may help you guide me. What does each population represent? Are these percentages indicate of ancestry which has been
                        Message 11 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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                          Gary,
                          Here is mine so perhaps it may help you guide me.  What does each population represent?  Are these percentages indicate of ancestry which has been further defined by Gedmatch?  In other than just indicating European heritage, here the info is more specific?  

                          I appreciate this soo much

                          1 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 14.388
                          2 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.680
                          3 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.926
                          4 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Aragon @ 14.944
                          5 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.087
                          6 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.108
                          7 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 15.154
                          8 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 15.158
                          9 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 15.183
                          10 50% North_Amerindian +50% Portuguese @ 15.294
                          20910 iterations.



                          Using 3 populations approximation:
                          1 50% Southwest_French +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 7.803
                          2 50% Southwest_French +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Karitiana @ 8.039
                          3 50% Southwest_French +25% Algerian +25% Karitiana @ 8.203
                          4 50% Spanish_Valencia +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 8.275
                          5 50% Southwest_French +25% Ashkenazi +25% Karitiana @ 8.280
                          6 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 8.306
                          7 50% Southwest_French +25% Karitiana +25% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.309
                          8 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Ashkenazi +25% Karitiana @ 8.330
                          9 50% Spanish_Valencia +25% Karitiana +25% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.338
                          10 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Karitiana @ 8.343
                          1417304 iterations.



                          Using 4 populations approximation:
                          1 Karitiana + Norwegian + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.365
                          2 Karitiana + Sardinian + Swedish + Tunisian @ 7.436
                          3 Algerian + Karitiana + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 7.512
                          4 Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.516
                          5 Algerian + Karitiana + Sardinian + Swedish @ 7.546
                          6 Karitiana + North_Swedish + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.556
                          7 Danish + Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.593
                          8 Algerian + Karitiana + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 7.599
                          9 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 7.609
                          10 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Sardinian + Swedish @ 7.651
                          11 Karitiana + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.666
                          12 Algerian + Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.670
                          13 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 7.676
                          14 Algerian + Danish + Karitiana + Sardinian @ 7.699
                          15 Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 7.710
                          16 Irish + Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.722
                          17 Ashkenazi + Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.725
                          18 Karitiana + Sardinian + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 7.777
                          19 Danish + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Sardinian @ 7.785
                          20 Algerian + Karitiana + North_Dutch + Sardinian @ 7.785


                          On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                           

                          Hi Luz,
                          If you see the 3 population results each line is broken down by approx percentage and is an individual approximation or prediction. It appears they are in order of confidence level. 

                          I will share mine when I get home.

                          Gary



                          Sent from my iPhone

                          On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                           

                          I received results after I provided raw data from 23+me to Gedmatch.  I can look up data similar to what Joel shared below, not sure what it all means.  Should I be forwarding that info back to Gedmatch?


                          Thanks

                          BTW, my name is Luz :-)


                          On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                           

                          LM, happy to help. Have you submitted your results to Gedmatch?

                          Gary

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                           

                          I have my results; however, not quite sure how to decipher it.  Can anyone provide some guidance or direct me to where I can get details to help figure it out.  I can see you all have been at this for a while but I am a newbie at this.


                          LM Meyerson

                          On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Joel Peres wrote:

                           

                          you're right Gary, here's mine & my parents:
                          Using 4 populations approximation:
                          1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + West_Sicilian @ 5.779
                          2 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 5.959
                          3 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.995
                          4 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.019
                          5 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + South_Italian @ 6.032
                          6 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 6.081
                          7 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.146
                          8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.157
                          9 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Moroccan @ 6.227
                          10 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.229
                          11 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.238
                          12 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.317
                          13 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.392
                          14 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima @ 6.422
                          15 French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 6.445
                          16 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.468
                          17 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Pima @ 6.481
                          18 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.482
                          19 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tuscan @ 6.494
                          20 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish @ 6.536

                          Mom
                          Using 4 populations approximation:
                          1 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.663
                          2 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.879
                          3 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.074
                          4 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.162
                          5 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.247
                          6 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Pima + Pima @ 3.420
                          7 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.425
                          8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.463
                          9 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.536
                          10 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.545
                          11 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.613
                          12 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.680
                          13 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.680
                          14 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.740
                          15 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.817
                          16 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.825
                          17 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.852
                          18 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.948
                          19 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.990
                          20 French_Basque + Karitiana + North_Amerindian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.029


                          On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...> wrote:
                          Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


                          On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
                           

                          Joel,
                          under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                          Gary


                          From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                          To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                          Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                           
                          Gary,
                          3 population?
                          Is that dienekes? polaco?
                          I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                          Thanks!  


                          On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                           
                          Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                          Gary














                        • Gary Felix
                          Hi Luz, each population is a sampling and these are how you compare. The more populations you compare to the better the estimate since there is less room to
                          Message 12 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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                            Hi Luz,
                            each population is a sampling and these are how you compare. The more populations you compare to the better the estimate since there is less room to generalize (more iterations).

                            Your 3 population results look consistent to what I am seeing. NA, Euro, North African or Jewish (probably Sephardic/N. African).

                            Here are mine:
                            Using 3 populations approximation:
                            1 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.289
                            2 50% Mayan +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% West_Sicilian @ 4.292
                            3 50% Mayan +25% Southeast_English +25% Tunisian @ 4.293
                            4 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.355
                            5 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Southwest_French @ 4.365
                            6 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.379
                            7 50% Mayan +25% French +25% Tunisian @ 4.390
                            8 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.392
                            9 50% Mayan +25% South_Dutch +25% Tunisian @ 4.402
                            10 50% Pima +25% Southwest_French +25% Tunisian @ 4.407
                            1096630 iterations.

                            Not sure why my results are showing Ashkenazi and my Mom's are North African.  My Dad's Sephardi ancestors appear to have exiled in Eastern Europe rather than N. Africa. Strange things can happen with populations with small effective population sizes.

                            Gary
                             


                            From: Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...>
                            To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:27 PM
                            Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                             
                            Gary,
                            Here is mine so perhaps it may help you guide me.  What does each population represent?  Are these percentages indicate of ancestry which has been further defined by Gedmatch?  In other than just indicating European heritage, here the info is more specific?  

                            I appreciate this soo much

                            1 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 14.388
                            2 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.680
                            3 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.926
                            4 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Aragon @ 14.944
                            5 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.087
                            6 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.108
                            7 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 15.154
                            8 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 15.158
                            9 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 15.183
                            10 50% North_Amerindian +50% Portuguese @ 15.294
                            20910 iterations.



                            Using 3 populations approximation:
                            1 50% Southwest_French +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 7.803
                            2 50% Southwest_French +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Karitiana @ 8.039
                            3 50% Southwest_French +25% Algerian +25% Karitiana @ 8.203
                            4 50% Spanish_Valencia +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 8.275
                            5 50% Southwest_French +25% Ashkenazi +25% Karitiana @ 8.280
                            6 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 8.306
                            7 50% Southwest_French +25% Karitiana +25% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.309
                            8 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Ashkenazi +25% Karitiana @ 8.330
                            9 50% Spanish_Valencia +25% Karitiana +25% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.338
                            10 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Karitiana @ 8.343
                            1417304 iterations.



                            Using 4 populations approximation:
                            1 Karitiana + Norwegian + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.365
                            2 Karitiana + Sardinian + Swedish + Tunisian @ 7.436
                            3 Algerian + Karitiana + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 7.512
                            4 Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.516
                            5 Algerian + Karitiana + Sardinian + Swedish @ 7.546
                            6 Karitiana + North_Swedish + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.556
                            7 Danish + Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.593
                            8 Algerian + Karitiana + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 7.599
                            9 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 7.609
                            10 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Sardinian + Swedish @ 7.651
                            11 Karitiana + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.666
                            12 Algerian + Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.670
                            13 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 7.676
                            14 Algerian + Danish + Karitiana + Sardinian @ 7.699
                            15 Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 7.710
                            16 Irish + Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.722
                            17 Ashkenazi + Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.725
                            18 Karitiana + Sardinian + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 7.777
                            19 Danish + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Sardinian @ 7.785
                            20 Algerian + Karitiana + North_Dutch + Sardinian @ 7.785


                            On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                             

                            Hi Luz,
                            If you see the 3 population results each line is broken down by approx percentage and is an individual approximation or prediction. It appears they are in order of confidence level. 

                            I will share mine when I get home.

                            Gary



                            Sent from my iPhone

                            On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                             
                            I received results after I provided raw data from 23+me to Gedmatch.  I can look up data similar to what Joel shared below, not sure what it all means.  Should I be forwarding that info back to Gedmatch?

                            Thanks

                            BTW, my name is Luz :-)


                            On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                             

                            LM, happy to help. Have you submitted your results to Gedmatch?

                            Gary

                            Sent from my iPhone

                            On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                             
                            I have my results; however, not quite sure how to decipher it.  Can anyone provide some guidance or direct me to where I can get details to help figure it out.  I can see you all have been at this for a while but I am a newbie at this.

                            LM Meyerson

                            On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Joel Peres wrote:

                             

                            you're right Gary, here's mine & my parents:
                            Using 4 populations approximation:
                            1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + West_Sicilian @ 5.779
                            2 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 5.959
                            3 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.995
                            4 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.019
                            5 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + South_Italian @ 6.032
                            6 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 6.081
                            7 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.146
                            8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.157
                            9 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Moroccan @ 6.227
                            10 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.229
                            11 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.238
                            12 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.317
                            13 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.392
                            14 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima @ 6.422
                            15 French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 6.445
                            16 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.468
                            17 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Pima @ 6.481
                            18 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.482
                            19 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tuscan @ 6.494
                            20 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish @ 6.536

                            Mom
                            Using 4 populations approximation:
                            1 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.663
                            2 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.879
                            3 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.074
                            4 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.162
                            5 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.247
                            6 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Pima + Pima @ 3.420
                            7 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.425
                            8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.463
                            9 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.536
                            10 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.545
                            11 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.613
                            12 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.680
                            13 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.680
                            14 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.740
                            15 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.817
                            16 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.825
                            17 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.852
                            18 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.948
                            19 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.990
                            20 French_Basque + Karitiana + North_Amerindian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.029


                            On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...> wrote:
                            Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


                            On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
                             

                            Joel,
                            under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                            Gary


                            From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                            To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                            Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                             
                            Gary,
                            3 population?
                            Is that dienekes? polaco?
                            I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                            Thanks!  


                            On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                             
                            Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                            Gary
















                          • Meyerson Marie
                            Gary, How do you know which is your mom s and which are your dad s? And, what does the number following the @ mean. I also don t see on my results and
                            Message 13 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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                              Gary, How do you know which is your mom's and which are your dad's?  And, what does the number following the "@" mean.  I also don't see on my results and indication of the Amerind group such as Maya.  How did you get that result to display?  Much of this makes sense as I relate it back to the admixture reports I received from 23+me and some of the poking around I done in Gedmatch.  

                              Sorry for all the questions but this fascinates and I do want to understand.  How will this fold in to Gedmatch.  I did find that most of my DNA relatives defined on 23+me had Jewish ancestry as well

                              Thank you!




                              On Apr 18, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                               

                              Hi Luz,
                              each population is a sampling and these are how you compare. The more populations you compare to the better the estimate since there is less room to generalize (more iterations).

                              Your 3 population results look consistent to what I am seeing. NA, Euro, North African or Jewish (probably Sephardic/N. African).

                              Here are mine:
                              Using 3 populations approximation:
                              1 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.289
                              2 50% Mayan +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% West_Sicilian @ 4.292
                              3 50% Mayan +25% Southeast_English +25% Tunisian @ 4.293
                              4 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.355
                              5 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Southwest_French @ 4.365
                              6 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.379
                              7 50% Mayan +25% French +25% Tunisian @ 4.390
                              8 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.392
                              9 50% Mayan +25% South_Dutch +25% Tunisian @ 4.402
                              10 50% Pima +25% Southwest_French +25% Tunisian @ 4.407
                              1096630 iterations.

                              Not sure why my results are showing Ashkenazi and my Mom's are North African.  My Dad's Sephardi ancestors appear to have exiled in Eastern Europe rather than N. Africa. Strange things can happen with populations with small effective population sizes.

                              Gary
                               


                              From: Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...>
                              To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:27 PM
                              Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                               
                              Gary,
                              Here is mine so perhaps it may help you guide me.  What does each population represent?  Are these percentages indicate of ancestry which has been further defined by Gedmatch?  In other than just indicating European heritage, here the info is more specific?  

                              I appreciate this soo much

                              1 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 14.388
                              2 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.680
                              3 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.926
                              4 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Aragon @ 14.944
                              5 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.087
                              6 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.108
                              7 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 15.154
                              8 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 15.158
                              9 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 15.183
                              10 50% North_Amerindian +50% Portuguese @ 15.294
                              20910 iterations.



                              Using 3 populations approximation:
                              1 50% Southwest_French +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 7.803
                              2 50% Southwest_French +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Karitiana @ 8.039
                              3 50% Southwest_French +25% Algerian +25% Karitiana @ 8.203
                              4 50% Spanish_Valencia +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 8.275
                              5 50% Southwest_French +25% Ashkenazi +25% Karitiana @ 8.280
                              6 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 8.306
                              7 50% Southwest_French +25% Karitiana +25% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.309
                              8 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Ashkenazi +25% Karitiana @ 8.330
                              9 50% Spanish_Valencia +25% Karitiana +25% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.338
                              10 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Karitiana @ 8.343
                              1417304 iterations.



                              Using 4 populations approximation:
                              1 Karitiana + Norwegian + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.365
                              2 Karitiana + Sardinian + Swedish + Tunisian @ 7.436
                              3 Algerian + Karitiana + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 7.512
                              4 Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.516
                              5 Algerian + Karitiana + Sardinian + Swedish @ 7.546
                              6 Karitiana + North_Swedish + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.556
                              7 Danish + Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.593
                              8 Algerian + Karitiana + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 7.599
                              9 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 7.609
                              10 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Sardinian + Swedish @ 7.651
                              11 Karitiana + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.666
                              12 Algerian + Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.670
                              13 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 7.676
                              14 Algerian + Danish + Karitiana + Sardinian @ 7.699
                              15 Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 7.710
                              16 Irish + Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.722
                              17 Ashkenazi + Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.725
                              18 Karitiana + Sardinian + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 7.777
                              19 Danish + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Sardinian @ 7.785
                              20 Algerian + Karitiana + North_Dutch + Sardinian @ 7.785


                              On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                               

                              Hi Luz,
                              If you see the 3 population results each line is broken down by approx percentage and is an individual approximation or prediction. It appears they are in order of confidence level. 

                              I will share mine when I get home.

                              Gary



                              Sent from my iPhone

                              On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                               
                              I received results after I provided raw data from 23+me to Gedmatch.  I can look up data similar to what Joel shared below, not sure what it all means.  Should I be forwarding that info back to Gedmatch?

                              Thanks

                              BTW, my name is Luz :-)


                              On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                               

                              LM, happy to help. Have you submitted your results to Gedmatch?

                              Gary

                              Sent from my iPhone

                              On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                               
                              I have my results; however, not quite sure how to decipher it.  Can anyone provide some guidance or direct me to where I can get details to help figure it out.  I can see you all have been at this for a while but I am a newbie at this.

                              LM Meyerson

                              On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Joel Peres wrote:

                               

                              you're right Gary, here's mine & my parents:
                              Using 4 populations approximation:
                              1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + West_Sicilian @ 5.779
                              2 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 5.959
                              3 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.995
                              4 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.019
                              5 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + South_Italian @ 6.032
                              6 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 6.081
                              7 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.146
                              8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.157
                              9 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Moroccan @ 6.227
                              10 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.229
                              11 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.238
                              12 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.317
                              13 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.392
                              14 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima @ 6.422
                              15 French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 6.445
                              16 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.468
                              17 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Pima @ 6.481
                              18 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.482
                              19 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tuscan @ 6.494
                              20 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish @ 6.536

                              Mom
                              Using 4 populations approximation:
                              1 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.663
                              2 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.879
                              3 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.074
                              4 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.162
                              5 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.247
                              6 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Pima + Pima @ 3.420
                              7 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.425
                              8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.463
                              9 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.536
                              10 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.545
                              11 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.613
                              12 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.680
                              13 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.680
                              14 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.740
                              15 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.817
                              16 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.825
                              17 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.852
                              18 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.948
                              19 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.990
                              20 French_Basque + Karitiana + North_Amerindian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.029


                              On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...> wrote:
                              Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


                              On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
                               

                              Joel,
                              under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                              Gary


                              From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                              To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                              Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                               
                              Gary,
                              3 population?
                              Is that dienekes? polaco?
                              I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                              Thanks!  


                              On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                               
                              Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                              Gary


















                            • Gary Felix
                              Your welcome Luz, I have tested my Mother but not my Father so part of my results are proxy for him since he has passed. The number after the @ symbol
                              Message 14 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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                                Your welcome Luz,
                                I have tested my Mother but not my Father so part of my results are proxy for him since he has passed. The number after the @ symbol represents the genetic distance.
                                See:

                                There also is information on the gedmatch website for their utilities but they seem to be lacking in some areas. Their forum may help.

                                I would say you may have a little NA ancestry from further North than Mexico so with this affinity your NA matches are more widespread to include more of the continent at the two population level. Evidently this component is minor as it disappears at the three population level.


                                Gary

                                 


                                From: Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...>
                                To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 7:48 PM
                                Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                 
                                Gary, How do you know which is your mom's and which are your dad's?  And, what does the number following the "@" mean.  I also don't see on my results and indication of the Amerind group such as Maya.  How did you get that result to display?  Much of this makes sense as I relate it back to the admixture reports I received from 23+me and some of the poking around I done in Gedmatch.  

                                Sorry for all the questions but this fascinates and I do want to understand.  How will this fold in to Gedmatch.  I did find that most of my DNA relatives defined on 23+me had Jewish ancestry as well

                                Thank you!




                                On Apr 18, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                                 

                                Hi Luz,
                                each population is a sampling and these are how you compare. The more populations you compare to the better the estimate since there is less room to generalize (more iterations).

                                Your 3 population results look consistent to what I am seeing. NA, Euro, North African or Jewish (probably Sephardic/N. African).

                                Here are mine:
                                Using 3 populations approximation:
                                1 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.289
                                2 50% Mayan +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% West_Sicilian @ 4.292
                                3 50% Mayan +25% Southeast_English +25% Tunisian @ 4.293
                                4 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.355
                                5 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Southwest_French @ 4.365
                                6 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.379
                                7 50% Mayan +25% French +25% Tunisian @ 4.390
                                8 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.392
                                9 50% Mayan +25% South_Dutch +25% Tunisian @ 4.402
                                10 50% Pima +25% Southwest_French +25% Tunisian @ 4.407
                                1096630 iterations.

                                Not sure why my results are showing Ashkenazi and my Mom's are North African.  My Dad's Sephardi ancestors appear to have exiled in Eastern Europe rather than N. Africa. Strange things can happen with populations with small effective population sizes.

                                Gary
                                 


                                From: Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...>
                                To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:27 PM
                                Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                 
                                Gary,
                                Here is mine so perhaps it may help you guide me.  What does each population represent?  Are these percentages indicate of ancestry which has been further defined by Gedmatch?  In other than just indicating European heritage, here the info is more specific?  

                                I appreciate this soo much

                                1 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 14.388
                                2 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.680
                                3 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.926
                                4 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Aragon @ 14.944
                                5 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.087
                                6 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.108
                                7 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 15.154
                                8 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 15.158
                                9 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 15.183
                                10 50% North_Amerindian +50% Portuguese @ 15.294
                                20910 iterations.



                                Using 3 populations approximation:
                                1 50% Southwest_French +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 7.803
                                2 50% Southwest_French +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Karitiana @ 8.039
                                3 50% Southwest_French +25% Algerian +25% Karitiana @ 8.203
                                4 50% Spanish_Valencia +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 8.275
                                5 50% Southwest_French +25% Ashkenazi +25% Karitiana @ 8.280
                                6 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 8.306
                                7 50% Southwest_French +25% Karitiana +25% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.309
                                8 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Ashkenazi +25% Karitiana @ 8.330
                                9 50% Spanish_Valencia +25% Karitiana +25% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.338
                                10 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Karitiana @ 8.343
                                1417304 iterations.



                                Using 4 populations approximation:
                                1 Karitiana + Norwegian + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.365
                                2 Karitiana + Sardinian + Swedish + Tunisian @ 7.436
                                3 Algerian + Karitiana + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 7.512
                                4 Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.516
                                5 Algerian + Karitiana + Sardinian + Swedish @ 7.546
                                6 Karitiana + North_Swedish + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.556
                                7 Danish + Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.593
                                8 Algerian + Karitiana + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 7.599
                                9 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 7.609
                                10 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Sardinian + Swedish @ 7.651
                                11 Karitiana + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.666
                                12 Algerian + Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.670
                                13 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 7.676
                                14 Algerian + Danish + Karitiana + Sardinian @ 7.699
                                15 Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 7.710
                                16 Irish + Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.722
                                17 Ashkenazi + Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.725
                                18 Karitiana + Sardinian + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 7.777
                                19 Danish + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Sardinian @ 7.785
                                20 Algerian + Karitiana + North_Dutch + Sardinian @ 7.785


                                On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                                 

                                Hi Luz,
                                If you see the 3 population results each line is broken down by approx percentage and is an individual approximation or prediction. It appears they are in order of confidence level. 

                                I will share mine when I get home.

                                Gary



                                Sent from my iPhone

                                On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                                 
                                I received results after I provided raw data from 23+me to Gedmatch.  I can look up data similar to what Joel shared below, not sure what it all means.  Should I be forwarding that info back to Gedmatch?

                                Thanks

                                BTW, my name is Luz :-)


                                On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                                 

                                LM, happy to help. Have you submitted your results to Gedmatch?

                                Gary

                                Sent from my iPhone

                                On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                                 
                                I have my results; however, not quite sure how to decipher it.  Can anyone provide some guidance or direct me to where I can get details to help figure it out.  I can see you all have been at this for a while but I am a newbie at this.

                                LM Meyerson

                                On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Joel Peres wrote:

                                 

                                you're right Gary, here's mine & my parents:
                                Using 4 populations approximation:
                                1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + West_Sicilian @ 5.779
                                2 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 5.959
                                3 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.995
                                4 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.019
                                5 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + South_Italian @ 6.032
                                6 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 6.081
                                7 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.146
                                8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.157
                                9 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Moroccan @ 6.227
                                10 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.229
                                11 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.238
                                12 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.317
                                13 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.392
                                14 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima @ 6.422
                                15 French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 6.445
                                16 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.468
                                17 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Pima @ 6.481
                                18 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.482
                                19 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tuscan @ 6.494
                                20 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish @ 6.536

                                Mom
                                Using 4 populations approximation:
                                1 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.663
                                2 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.879
                                3 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.074
                                4 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.162
                                5 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.247
                                6 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Pima + Pima @ 3.420
                                7 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.425
                                8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.463
                                9 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.536
                                10 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.545
                                11 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.613
                                12 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.680
                                13 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.680
                                14 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.740
                                15 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.817
                                16 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.825
                                17 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.852
                                18 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.948
                                19 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.990
                                20 French_Basque + Karitiana + North_Amerindian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.029


                                On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...> wrote:
                                Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


                                On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
                                 

                                Joel,
                                under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                                Gary


                                From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                                To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                                Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                 
                                Gary,
                                3 population?
                                Is that dienekes? polaco?
                                I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                                Thanks!  


                                On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                                 
                                Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                                Gary




















                              • Teddi Montes
                                I have recently tested two men who are identified as indigenous (northern Baja California). I have put together 2-3 generations of trees for each. One is Pai
                                Message 15 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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                                  I have recently tested two men who are identified as indigenous
                                  (northern Baja California). I have put together 2-3 generations of
                                  trees for each. One is Pai Pai and the other Kumiai. A name or two
                                  for each has links to Californio ranches in San Diego county and
                                  northern Baja California in the 1800s. I have tested first for Y and
                                  mtDNA and will also do autosomal (FTDNA). Their families have been in
                                  the same areas for over 150 years. I am not sure just how things will
                                  look with the results as I am sure these are the first of these tribes
                                  to test.

                                  It will be interesting to see just how their population finders
                                  appear....any ideas on what to do with these new additions to my
                                  Californio database, Gary?

                                  The results are not due back for several weeks.

                                  Teddi Montes
                                  The Californio DNA Project/El Proyecto de ADN de los Californios
                                • Gary Felix
                                  Hi Teddi, they qualify and are welcome in the Mexico Project. They should have interesting DNA to compare with all the way around. We don t have anyone that is
                                  Message 16 of 25 , Apr 18, 2014
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                                    Hi Teddi,
                                    they qualify and are welcome in the Mexico Project. They should have interesting DNA to compare with all the way around. We don't have anyone that is even close to full Native American in our project. 

                                    Gary 


                                    From: Teddi Montes <o2bnbaja@...>
                                    To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 9:32 PM
                                    Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Native American & Mexican testing

                                     
                                    I have recently tested two men who are identified as indigenous
                                    (northern Baja California). I have put together 2-3 generations of
                                    trees for each. One is Pai Pai and the other Kumiai. A name or two
                                    for each has links to Californio ranches in San Diego county and
                                    northern Baja California in the 1800s. I have tested first for Y and
                                    mtDNA and will also do autosomal (FTDNA). Their families have been in
                                    the same areas for over 150 years. I am not sure just how things will
                                    look with the results as I am sure these are the first of these tribes
                                    to test.

                                    It will be interesting to see just how their population finders
                                    appear....any ideas on what to do with these new additions to my
                                    Californio database, Gary?

                                    The results are not due back for several weeks.

                                    Teddi Montes
                                    The Californio DNA Project/El Proyecto de ADN de los Californios


                                  • sangerjaime@...
                                    Gary, May I ask why the results of Eurogenes k13, oracle 4 are given more credibility than the other tools, ie Harappa World etc? Jaime R. Hernandez ... From:
                                    Message 17 of 25 , Apr 19, 2014
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                                      Gary,

                                      May I ask why the results of Eurogenes k13, oracle 4 are given more credibility than the other tools, ie Harappa World etc?  

                                      Jaime R. Hernandez



                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                      To: MexicoDNAProject <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Fri, Apr 18, 2014 5:08 pm
                                      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                       
                                      Joel,
                                      under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                                      Gary


                                      From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                                      To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                       
                                      Gary,
                                      3 population?
                                      Is that dienekes? polaco?
                                      I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                                      Thanks!  


                                      On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                                       
                                      Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                                      Gary



                                    • Gary Felix
                                      Jaime, it is all in the sample sizes and number of populations.  Harappa world has my NA as Apache and this is extremely unlikely given the geo background of
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                                        Jaime,
                                        it is all in the sample sizes and number of populations.  Harappa world has my NA as Apache and this is extremely unlikely given the geo background of both my parents. 

                                        Gary 


                                        From: "sangerjaime@..." <sangerjaime@...>
                                        To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:04 AM
                                        Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                         
                                        Gary,

                                        May I ask why the results of Eurogenes k13, oracle 4 are given more credibility than the other tools, ie Harappa World etc?  

                                        Jaime R. Hernandez



                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                        To: MexicoDNAProject <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Fri, Apr 18, 2014 5:08 pm
                                        Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                         
                                        Joel,
                                        under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                                        Gary


                                        From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                                        To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                         
                                        Gary,
                                        3 population?
                                        Is that dienekes? polaco?
                                        I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                                        Thanks!  


                                        On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                                         
                                        Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                                        Gary





                                      • sangerjaime@...
                                        Gary, So the smaller the number after the @ the more closely related one is to that group? Jaime ... From: Gary Felix To: MexicoDNAProject
                                        Message 19 of 25 , Apr 20, 2014
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                                          Gary,

                                          So the smaller the number after the @ the more closely related one is to that group?

                                          Jaime



                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: Gary Felix <garyf@...>
                                          To: MexicoDNAProject <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Fri, Apr 18, 2014 8:56 pm
                                          Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                           
                                          Your welcome Luz,
                                          I have tested my Mother but not my Father so part of my results are proxy for him since he has passed. The number after the @ symbol represents the genetic distance.
                                          See:

                                          There also is information on the gedmatch website for their utilities but they seem to be lacking in some areas. Their forum may help.

                                          I would say you may have a little NA ancestry from further North than Mexico so with this affinity your NA matches are more widespread to include more of the continent at the two population level. Evidently this component is minor as it disappears at the three population level.


                                          Gary

                                           


                                          From: Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...>
                                          To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 7:48 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                           
                                          Gary, How do you know which is your mom's and which are your dad's?  And, what does the number following the "@" mean.  I also don't see on my results and indication of the Amerind group such as Maya.  How did you get that result to display?  Much of this makes sense as I relate it back to the admixture reports I received from 23+me and some of the poking around I done in Gedmatch.  

                                          Sorry for all the questions but this fascinates and I do want to understand.  How will this fold in to Gedmatch.  I did find that most of my DNA relatives defined on 23+me had Jewish ancestry as well

                                          Thank you!




                                          On Apr 18, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                                           

                                          Hi Luz,
                                          each population is a sampling and these are how you compare. The more populations you compare to the better the estimate since there is less room to generalize (more iterations).

                                          Your 3 population results look consistent to what I am seeing. NA, Euro, North African or Jewish (probably Sephardic/N. African).

                                          Here are mine:
                                          Using 3 populations approximation:
                                          1 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.289
                                          2 50% Mayan +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% West_Sicilian @ 4.292
                                          3 50% Mayan +25% Southeast_English +25% Tunisian @ 4.293
                                          4 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.355
                                          5 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Southwest_French @ 4.365
                                          6 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.379
                                          7 50% Mayan +25% French +25% Tunisian @ 4.390
                                          8 50% Mayan +25% Ashkenazi +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.392
                                          9 50% Mayan +25% South_Dutch +25% Tunisian @ 4.402
                                          10 50% Pima +25% Southwest_French +25% Tunisian @ 4.407
                                          1096630 iterations.

                                          Not sure why my results are showing Ashkenazi and my Mom's are North African.  My Dad's Sephardi ancestors appear to have exiled in Eastern Europe rather than N. Africa. Strange things can happen with populations with small effective population sizes.

                                          Gary
                                           


                                          From: Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...>
                                          To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:27 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                           
                                          Gary,
                                          Here is mine so perhaps it may help you guide me.  What does each population represent?  Are these percentages indicate of ancestry which has been further defined by Gedmatch?  In other than just indicating European heritage, here the info is more specific?  

                                          I appreciate this soo much

                                          1 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 14.388
                                          2 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.680
                                          3 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.926
                                          4 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Aragon @ 14.944
                                          5 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.087
                                          6 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.108
                                          7 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 15.154
                                          8 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 15.158
                                          9 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 15.183
                                          10 50% North_Amerindian +50% Portuguese @ 15.294
                                          20910 iterations.



                                          Using 3 populations approximation:
                                          1 50% Southwest_French +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 7.803
                                          2 50% Southwest_French +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Karitiana @ 8.039
                                          3 50% Southwest_French +25% Algerian +25% Karitiana @ 8.203
                                          4 50% Spanish_Valencia +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 8.275
                                          5 50% Southwest_French +25% Ashkenazi +25% Karitiana @ 8.280
                                          6 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Karitiana +25% Tunisian @ 8.306
                                          7 50% Southwest_French +25% Karitiana +25% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.309
                                          8 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Ashkenazi +25% Karitiana @ 8.330
                                          9 50% Spanish_Valencia +25% Karitiana +25% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.338
                                          10 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Karitiana @ 8.343
                                          1417304 iterations.



                                          Using 4 populations approximation:
                                          1 Karitiana + Norwegian + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.365
                                          2 Karitiana + Sardinian + Swedish + Tunisian @ 7.436
                                          3 Algerian + Karitiana + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 7.512
                                          4 Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.516
                                          5 Algerian + Karitiana + Sardinian + Swedish @ 7.546
                                          6 Karitiana + North_Swedish + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.556
                                          7 Danish + Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.593
                                          8 Algerian + Karitiana + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 7.599
                                          9 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 7.609
                                          10 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Sardinian + Swedish @ 7.651
                                          11 Karitiana + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.666
                                          12 Algerian + Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.670
                                          13 Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 7.676
                                          14 Algerian + Danish + Karitiana + Sardinian @ 7.699
                                          15 Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 7.710
                                          16 Irish + Karitiana + Sardinian + Tunisian @ 7.722
                                          17 Ashkenazi + Karitiana + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.725
                                          18 Karitiana + Sardinian + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 7.777
                                          19 Danish + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Sardinian @ 7.785
                                          20 Algerian + Karitiana + North_Dutch + Sardinian @ 7.785


                                          On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                                           

                                          Hi Luz,
                                          If you see the 3 population results each line is broken down by approx percentage and is an individual approximation or prediction. It appears they are in order of confidence level. 

                                          I will share mine when I get home.

                                          Gary



                                          Sent from my iPhone

                                          On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                                           
                                          I received results after I provided raw data from 23+me to Gedmatch.  I can look up data similar to what Joel shared below, not sure what it all means.  Should I be forwarding that info back to Gedmatch?

                                          Thanks

                                          BTW, my name is Luz :-)


                                          On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Gary Felix wrote:

                                           

                                          LM, happy to help. Have you submitted your results to Gedmatch?

                                          Gary

                                          Sent from my iPhone

                                          On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                                           
                                          I have my results; however, not quite sure how to decipher it.  Can anyone provide some guidance or direct me to where I can get details to help figure it out.  I can see you all have been at this for a while but I am a newbie at this.

                                          LM Meyerson

                                          On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Joel Peres wrote:

                                           

                                          you're right Gary, here's mine & my parents:
                                          Using 4 populations approximation:
                                          1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + West_Sicilian @ 5.779
                                          2 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 5.959
                                          3 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.995
                                          4 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.019
                                          5 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + South_Italian @ 6.032
                                          6 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 6.081
                                          7 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.146
                                          8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.157
                                          9 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Moroccan @ 6.227
                                          10 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.229
                                          11 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.238
                                          12 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.317
                                          13 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.392
                                          14 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima @ 6.422
                                          15 French_Basque + Karitiana + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 6.445
                                          16 Karitiana + Karitiana + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.468
                                          17 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Pima @ 6.481
                                          18 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana @ 6.482
                                          19 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Tuscan @ 6.494
                                          20 French_Basque + Karitiana + Karitiana + Libyan_Jewish @ 6.536

                                          Mom
                                          Using 4 populations approximation:
                                          1 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.663
                                          2 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.879
                                          3 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.074
                                          4 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.162
                                          5 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.247
                                          6 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Pima + Pima @ 3.420
                                          7 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.425
                                          8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.463
                                          9 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.536
                                          10 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + South_Italian @ 3.545
                                          11 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Pima @ 3.613
                                          12 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.680
                                          13 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.680
                                          14 French_Basque + Pima + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.740
                                          15 French_Basque + Mayan + Mayan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.817
                                          16 French_Basque + Mayan + Pima + West_Sicilian @ 3.825
                                          17 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Pima + Pima @ 3.852
                                          18 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Mayan + Pima @ 3.948
                                          19 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Mayan + Mayan @ 3.990
                                          20 French_Basque + Karitiana + North_Amerindian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.029


                                          On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...> wrote:
                                          Fantastic!  As always thanks Gary.  For those who observe, Happy Easter.......for those who observe Chag Semeach Pesaj.  Saludos!


                                          On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Gary Felix <garyf@...> wrote:
                                           

                                          Joel,
                                          under admixture, Eurogenes, Admixture proportions, Eurogenes K13, oracle 4

                                          Gary


                                          From: Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...>
                                          To: "MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com" <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:08 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                           
                                          Gary,
                                          3 population?
                                          Is that dienekes? polaco?
                                          I can't seem to find the link that says 3 populations.
                                          Thanks!  


                                          On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <garyf@...> wrote:
                                           
                                          Here is a better address for Gedmatch. Not sure about the other one so please don't use it.

                                          Gary




















                                        • Gary Felix
                                          Jaime, Yes or groups datasets. Gary Sent from my iPhone
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                                            Jaime,
                                            Yes or groups datasets.

                                            Gary

                                            Sent from my iPhone

                                            > On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:16 AM, sangerjaime@... wrote:
                                            >
                                            > he
                                          • Meyerson Marie
                                            So Gary and Randal, This means that from the Using 1 Population Approx , Gedmatch runs my sample against these populations and the @ 34.10 (for example)
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                                              So Gary and Randal,  

                                              This means that from the "Using 1 Population Approx", Gedmatch runs my sample against these populations and the @ 34.10 (for example) indicates how close or how far I match?  And, the lower the distance, the closer a match of sorts was found?  Also, in exaple 8 "Spanish Andalucia, again this is how close/far a match was found?  Also, in the example you used in a previous email of 50% German and 50% Pima, does that mean they have a sample with just that match?

                                              Again, thank you.  Hope you love what you do and that these questions don't drive you crazy.

                                              Luz

                                              Using 1 population approximation:
                                              1 North_Italian @ 34.110 
                                              2 Tuscan @ 34.525 
                                              3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 35.232
                                              4 Portuguese @ 35.255 
                                              5 Spanish_Galicia @ 35.803
                                              6 Spanish_Murcia @ 35.854
                                              7 Romanian @ 36.337 
                                              8 Spanish_Andalucia @ 36.408
                                              9 Bulgarian @ 36.505 
                                              10 Spanish_Valencia @ 36.528
                                              179 iterations. 
                                              On Apr 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Gary Felix wrote:

                                               

                                              Jaime,
                                              Yes or groups datasets.

                                              Gary

                                              Sent from my iPhone

                                              > On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:16 AM, sangerjaime@... wrote:
                                              >
                                              > he


                                            • Randal Soza
                                              No, they don t have a sample that matches that 50/50 exactly. Yes, the lower the number, the closer you might be to that group. You will find, that for all.
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                                                No, they don't have a sample that matches that 50/50 exactly. Yes, the lower the number, the closer you might be to that group.  You will find, that for all. The oracles, whether it's 1, 2, 3, or 4 populations, there will. Be multiple sets, not just one or two. I just said German and Pima as an example, instead of breaking it down into multiple ethnicities which would've made for a longer email. :)   

                                                But like I had posted, the data sets just show you which populations your DNA closely resembles, according to their given data set. So just because it shows Spanish Andalucia, doesn't necessarily mean that you are from that specific ethnicity. GedMatch should only be used in a broad/general way. Each "Project" (Harrapaworld, Eurogenes, Dodecad, and MDLP) all have their own specific targeted groups. So for example, if I run a sample through MDLP, this is what I get

                                                1 Population
                                                1 Montenegrin @ 15.314
                                                2 Macedonian @ 15.324
                                                3 Serbian @ 15.398
                                                4 Swiss @ 15.468
                                                5 German-South @ 15.615
                                                6 Bulgarian @ 15.842
                                                7 Romania @ 16.227
                                                8 Italian_North @ 17.620
                                                9 Gagauz @ 17.808
                                                10 French @ 17.832
                                                276 iterations.

                                                4 Population
                                                1 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish @ 2.451
                                                2 Cochimi + Croatian_V + Italian-North + Swedish_V @ 2.471
                                                3 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Swiss @ 2.501
                                                4 Cochimi + Estonian + Italian-North + Provancestralal @ 2.536
                                                5 Cochimi + Croatian_V + Italian-North + Swedish @ 2.550
                                                6 Cochimi + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish_V @ 2.568
                                                7 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish_V @ 2.576
                                                8 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Provancestralal @ 2.604
                                                9 Colombian + Corsican + Estonian + Provancestralal @ 2.611
                                                10 Bosnian + Colombian + Portugese + Swedish @ 2.637
                                                11 Cochimi + Estonian + Italian-North + Swiss @ 2.647
                                                12 Colombian + Croatian + Portugese + Swedish @ 2.662
                                                13 Colombian + Corsican + Slovakian + Swedish @ 2.664
                                                14 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Italian_North @ 2.704
                                                15 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian + Swedish_V @ 2.713
                                                16 Cochimi + Corsican + Norwegian_V + Ukrainian-Center @ 2.718
                                                17 Basque + Colombian + Estonian + Greek_North @ 2.719
                                                18 Colombian + Serbian + Swedish + Swiss @ 2.724
                                                19 Cochimi + Latvian_V + Norwegian_V + Portugese @ 2.726
                                                20 Colombian + Corsican + Czech + Swedish @ 2.727

                                                Now, if I run that exact same sample through Harrapaworld, this is what I get

                                                1 Population
                                                1 french @ 17.512
                                                2 hungarian @ 19.973
                                                3 puerto-rican @ 20.114
                                                4 utahn-white @ 21.427
                                                5 slovenian @ 21.559
                                                6 spaniard @ 21.756
                                                7 n-european @ 21.801
                                                8 serbian @ 21.876
                                                9 romanian-a @ 22.220
                                                10 italian @ 22.393

                                                4 Population
                                                1 ecuadorian + n-european + slovenian + spaniard @ 2.195
                                                2 ecuadorian + hungarian + n-european + spaniard @ 2.217
                                                3 ecuadorian + n-european + slovenian + spaniard @ 2.255
                                                4 ecuadorian + italian + n-european + n-european @ 2.259
                                                5 ecuadorian + french + french + slovenian @ 2.275
                                                6 ecuadorian + french + spaniard + ukranian @ 2.298
                                                7 ecuadorian + french + french + hungarian @ 2.298
                                                8 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.320
                                                9 ecuadorian + hungarian + n-european + spaniard @ 2.322
                                                10 ecuadorian + italian + n-european + utahn-white @ 2.337
                                                11 ecuadorian + french + spaniard + ukranian @ 2.388
                                                12 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.397
                                                13 ecuadorian + hungarian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.403
                                                14 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.455
                                                15 ecuadorian + french + mordovian + spaniard @ 2.456
                                                16 ecuadorian + french + mordovian + spaniard @ 2.489
                                                17 ecuadorian + hungarian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.520
                                                18 ecuadorian + n-european + orcadian + tuscan @ 2.529
                                                19 ecuadorian + italian + utahn-white + utahn-white @ 2.530
                                                20 ecuadorian + n-european + orcadian + tuscan @ 2.537


                                                Notice the huge difference in results between the two different projects? The sample was from a person of known Portuguese/Mexican descent.  In the MDLP, you can see the Portuguese, but not in the Harrapaworld. And in the Harrapaworld, you can see the Spaniard and Ecuadorian, but not in the MDLP. I must also note, that both of these results are drastically different (specifically, but not generally) than the results listed for this sample at Ancestry, 23andme, FTDNA, and DNATribes.  I must also note that this person has known Sephardic ancestry verified by DNA and genealogy and neither one picked up on it. 

                                                So to the point, GedMatch is good for generalizing, but don't take the results literally.

                                                Randal Soza

                                                Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                                On Apr 20, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                                                 

                                                So Gary and Randal,  


                                                This means that from the "Using 1 Population Approx", Gedmatch runs my sample against these populations and the @ 34.10 (for example) indicates how close or how far I match?  And, the lower the distance, the closer a match of sorts was found?  Also, in exaple 8 "Spanish Andalucia, again this is how close/far a match was found?  Also, in the example you used in a previous email of 50% German and 50% Pima, does that mean they have a sample with just that match?

                                                Again, thank you.  Hope you love what you do and that these questions don't drive you crazy.

                                                Luz

                                                Using 1 population approximation:
                                                1 North_Italian @ 34.110 
                                                2 Tuscan @ 34.525 
                                                3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 35.232
                                                4 Portuguese @ 35.255 
                                                5 Spanish_Galicia @ 35.803
                                                6 Spanish_Murcia @ 35.854
                                                7 Romanian @ 36.337 
                                                8 Spanish_Andalucia @ 36.408
                                                9 Bulgarian @ 36.505 
                                                10 Spanish_Valencia @ 36.528
                                                179 iterations. 
                                                On Apr 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Gary Felix wrote:

                                                 

                                                Jaime,
                                                Yes or groups datasets.

                                                Gary

                                                Sent from my iPhone

                                                > On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:16 AM, sangerjaime@... wrote:
                                                >
                                                > he


                                              • sangerjaime@...
                                                Randal. So what results can one take literally? That is why I have stayed with FTDNA. One goes to different companies and you get steered in a different
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                                                  Randal.

                                                  So what results can one take literally?  That is why I have stayed with FTDNA.  One goes to different companies and you get steered in a different directions.  I guess the science is really not perfect as of yet!!!!!!

                                                  Jaime R. Hernandez



                                                  -----Original Message-----
                                                  From: Randal Soza <mrrandalsoza@...>
                                                  To: MexicoDNAProject <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Sun, Apr 20, 2014 11:55 am
                                                  Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                                   
                                                  No, they don't have a sample that matches that 50/50 exactly. Yes, the lower the number, the closer you might be to that group.  You will find, that for all. The oracles, whether it's 1, 2, 3, or 4 populations, there will. Be multiple sets, not just one or two. I just said German and Pima as an example, instead of breaking it down into multiple ethnicities which would've made for a longer email. :)   

                                                  But like I had posted, the data sets just show you which populations your DNA closely resembles, according to their given data set. So just because it shows Spanish Andalucia, doesn't necessarily mean that you are from that specific ethnicity. GedMatch should only be used in a broad/general way. Each "Project" (Harrapaworld, Eurogenes, Dodecad, and MDLP) all have their own specific targeted groups. So for example, if I run a sample through MDLP, this is what I get

                                                  1 Population
                                                  1 Montenegrin @ 15.314
                                                  2 Macedonian @ 15.324
                                                  3 Serbian @ 15.398
                                                  4 Swiss @ 15.468
                                                  5 German-South @ 15.615
                                                  6 Bulgarian @ 15.842
                                                  7 Romania @ 16.227
                                                  8 Italian_North @ 17.620
                                                  9 Gagauz @ 17.808
                                                  10 French @ 17.832
                                                  276 iterations.

                                                  4 Population
                                                  1 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish @ 2.451
                                                  2 Cochimi + Croatian_V + Italian-North + Swedish_V @ 2.471
                                                  3 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Swiss @ 2.501
                                                  4 Cochimi + Estonian + Italian-North + Provancestralal @ 2.536
                                                  5 Cochimi + Croatian_V + Italian-North + Swedish @ 2.550
                                                  6 Cochimi + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish_V @ 2.568
                                                  7 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish_V @ 2.576
                                                  8 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Provancestralal @ 2.604
                                                  9 Colombian + Corsican + Estonian + Provancestralal @ 2.611
                                                  10 Bosnian + Colombian + Portugese + Swedish @ 2.637
                                                  11 Cochimi + Estonian + Italian-North + Swiss @ 2.647
                                                  12 Colombian + Croatian + Portugese + Swedish @ 2.662
                                                  13 Colombian + Corsican + Slovakian + Swedish @ 2.664
                                                  14 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Italian_North @ 2.704
                                                  15 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian + Swedish_V @ 2.713
                                                  16 Cochimi + Corsican + Norwegian_V + Ukrainian-Center @ 2.718
                                                  17 Basque + Colombian + Estonian + Greek_North @ 2.719
                                                  18 Colombian + Serbian + Swedish + Swiss @ 2.724
                                                  19 Cochimi + Latvian_V + Norwegian_V + Portugese @ 2.726
                                                  20 Colombian + Corsican + Czech + Swedish @ 2.727

                                                  Now, if I run that exact same sample through Harrapaworld, this is what I get

                                                  1 Population
                                                  1 french @ 17.512
                                                  2 hungarian @ 19.973
                                                  3 puerto-rican @ 20.114
                                                  4 utahn-white @ 21.427
                                                  5 slovenian @ 21.559
                                                  6 spaniard @ 21.756
                                                  7 n-european @ 21.801
                                                  8 serbian @ 21.876
                                                  9 romanian-a @ 22.220
                                                  10 italian @ 22.393

                                                  4 Population
                                                  1 ecuadorian + n-european + slovenian + spaniard @ 2.195
                                                  2 ecuadorian + hungarian + n-european + spaniard @ 2.217
                                                  3 ecuadorian + n-european + slovenian + spaniard @ 2.255
                                                  4 ecuadorian + italian + n-european + n-european @ 2.259
                                                  5 ecuadorian + french + french + slovenian @ 2.275
                                                  6 ecuadorian + french + spaniard + ukranian @ 2.298
                                                  7 ecuadorian + french + french + hungarian @ 2.298
                                                  8 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.320
                                                  9 ecuadorian + hungarian + n-european + spaniard @ 2.322
                                                  10 ecuadorian + italian + n-european + utahn-white @ 2.337
                                                  11 ecuadorian + french + spaniard + ukranian @ 2.388
                                                  12 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.397
                                                  13 ecuadorian + hungarian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.403
                                                  14 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.455
                                                  15 ecuadorian + french + mordovian + spaniard @ 2.456
                                                  16 ecuadorian + french + mordovian + spaniard @ 2.489
                                                  17 ecuadorian + hungarian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.520
                                                  18 ecuadorian + n-european + orcadian + tuscan @ 2.529
                                                  19 ecuadorian + italian + utahn-white + utahn-white @ 2.530
                                                  20 ecuadorian + n-european + orcadian + tuscan @ 2.537


                                                  Notice the huge difference in results between the two different projects? The sample was from a person of known Portuguese/Mexican descent.  In the MDLP, you can see the Portuguese, but not in the Harrapaworld. And in the Harrapaworld, you can see the Spaniard and Ecuadorian, but not in the MDLP. I must also note, that both of these results are drastically different (specifically, but not generally) than the results listed for this sample at Ancestry, 23andme, FTDNA, and DNATribes.  I must also note that this person has known Sephardic ancestry verified by DNA and genealogy and neither one picked up on it. 

                                                  So to the point, GedMatch is good for generalizing, but don't take the results literally.

                                                  Randal Soza

                                                  Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                                  On Apr 20, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                                                   
                                                  So Gary and Randal,  

                                                  This means that from the "Using 1 Population Approx", Gedmatch runs my sample against these populations and the @ 34.10 (for example) indicates how close or how far I match?  And, the lower the distance, the closer a match of sorts was found?  Also, in exaple 8 "Spanish Andalucia, again this is how close/far a match was found?  Also, in the example you used in a previous email of 50% German and 50% Pima, does that mean they have a sample with just that match?

                                                  Again, thank you.  Hope you love what you do and that these questions don't drive you crazy.

                                                  Luz

                                                  Using 1 population approximation:
                                                  1 North_Italian @ 34.110 
                                                  2 Tuscan @ 34.525 
                                                  3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 35.232
                                                  4 Portuguese @ 35.255 
                                                  5 Spanish_Galicia @ 35.803
                                                  6 Spanish_Murcia @ 35.854
                                                  7 Romanian @ 36.337 
                                                  8 Spanish_Andalucia @ 36.408
                                                  9 Bulgarian @ 36.505 
                                                  10 Spanish_Valencia @ 36.528
                                                  179 iterations. 
                                                  On Apr 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Gary Felix wrote:

                                                   
                                                  Jaime,
                                                  Yes or groups datasets.

                                                  Gary

                                                  Sent from my iPhone

                                                  > On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:16 AM, sangerjaime@... wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > he

                                                • Randal Soza
                                                  No, the science is not perfect. I consider it half of an art, because you really have to get creative and use a lot of tools in order to sort things out. You
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                                                    No, the science is not perfect. I consider it half of an art, because you really have to get creative and use a lot of tools in order to sort things out. You really can't take any of them too literally, without digging real deep and comparing Y, mT, Autosomal, SNP's, Genealogy, History, etc. you have to compare a sample with others of the same group, and then use all those tools to figure it all out. And then you take it a step further, and compare it to other samples on a chromosomal level, and see if you share a commonality between each other. Even though you can't take each result literally, you CAN take it generally, which helps a lot. Even though each data set was quite different on a "specific" level, they were actually both right on a general level. So, in the two examples I gave, the MDLP listed Cochimi, and Columbian, while Harrapaworld listed Ecuadorian. All 3 are Central Native American, (Colombian being South American, but right on that border area). MDLP listed Cochimi, which is Baja, and northenmost of the three and Columbian which is southernmost. Harrapaworld listed Ecuadorian, which is in the middle of both. This persons sample set is Mexican,with ancestry from Portugal, through Zacatecas, and into Sonora. So, in a general level, both were right. But to say specifically which "tribe" someone belongs to, will take a lot more data. People of Mexican descent are some of the hardest to pinpoint due to their huge amount of admixture. It's quite different from samples I've ran of people who are, bluntly, "White American". I can literally take samples from Waseca Minnesota, run them through analysis, and it will come up with Scandinavian/European with 99% of the DNA being identified. This pinpoints a pretty small area of the world. However, people of Mexican descent are all over the world. You got African, Middle Eastern, European, Mediterranean, Native American, and Asian making up the DNA of the Mexican population. It's going to take a lot more data, sampling and time, before we can even possibly get into specifics. And even then, due to the ebb and flow of populations within each other, getting specific on some, but not all results, may end up being an impossibility for some samples. 

                                                    However, I have to say that Gary has done a wonderful job here explaining how to use some of these tools we have available to help us sort things out. His write up on using 23andme's Countries Of Ancestry, is exactly how you can sort some of these things out.

                                                    Randal Soza

                                                    Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                                    On Apr 20, 2014, at 12:06 PM, "sangerjaime@..." <sangerjaime@...> wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Randal.

                                                    So what results can one take literally?  That is why I have stayed with FTDNA.  One goes to different companies and you get steered in a different directions.  I guess the science is really not perfect as of yet!!!!!!

                                                    Jaime R. Hernandez




                                                    -----Original Message-----
                                                    From: Randal Soza <mrrandalsoza@...>
                                                    To: MexicoDNAProject <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    Sent: Sun, Apr 20, 2014 11:55 am
                                                    Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                                     
                                                    No, they don't have a sample that matches that 50/50 exactly. Yes, the lower the number, the closer you might be to that group.  You will find, that for all. The oracles, whether it's 1, 2, 3, or 4 populations, there will. Be multiple sets, not just one or two. I just said German and Pima as an example, instead of breaking it down into multiple ethnicities which would've made for a longer email. :)   

                                                    But like I had posted, the data sets just show you which populations your DNA closely resembles, according to their given data set. So just because it shows Spanish Andalucia, doesn't necessarily mean that you are from that specific ethnicity. GedMatch should only be used in a broad/general way. Each "Project" (Harrapaworld, Eurogenes, Dodecad, and MDLP) all have their own specific targeted groups. So for example, if I run a sample through MDLP, this is what I get

                                                    1 Population
                                                    1 Montenegrin @ 15.314
                                                    2 Macedonian @ 15.324
                                                    3 Serbian @ 15.398
                                                    4 Swiss @ 15.468
                                                    5 German-South @ 15.615
                                                    6 Bulgarian @ 15.842
                                                    7 Romania @ 16.227
                                                    8 Italian_North @ 17.620
                                                    9 Gagauz @ 17.808
                                                    10 French @ 17.832
                                                    276 iterations.

                                                    4 Population
                                                    1 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish @ 2.451
                                                    2 Cochimi + Croatian_V + Italian-North + Swedish_V @ 2.471
                                                    3 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Swiss @ 2.501
                                                    4 Cochimi + Estonian + Italian-North + Provancestralal @ 2.536
                                                    5 Cochimi + Croatian_V + Italian-North + Swedish @ 2.550
                                                    6 Cochimi + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish_V @ 2.568
                                                    7 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish_V @ 2.576
                                                    8 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Provancestralal @ 2.604
                                                    9 Colombian + Corsican + Estonian + Provancestralal @ 2.611
                                                    10 Bosnian + Colombian + Portugese + Swedish @ 2.637
                                                    11 Cochimi + Estonian + Italian-North + Swiss @ 2.647
                                                    12 Colombian + Croatian + Portugese + Swedish @ 2.662
                                                    13 Colombian + Corsican + Slovakian + Swedish @ 2.664
                                                    14 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Italian_North @ 2.704
                                                    15 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian + Swedish_V @ 2.713
                                                    16 Cochimi + Corsican + Norwegian_V + Ukrainian-Center @ 2.718
                                                    17 Basque + Colombian + Estonian + Greek_North @ 2.719
                                                    18 Colombian + Serbian + Swedish + Swiss @ 2.724
                                                    19 Cochimi + Latvian_V + Norwegian_V + Portugese @ 2.726
                                                    20 Colombian + Corsican + Czech + Swedish @ 2.727

                                                    Now, if I run that exact same sample through Harrapaworld, this is what I get

                                                    1 Population
                                                    1 french @ 17.512
                                                    2 hungarian @ 19.973
                                                    3 puerto-rican @ 20.114
                                                    4 utahn-white @ 21.427
                                                    5 slovenian @ 21.559
                                                    6 spaniard @ 21.756
                                                    7 n-european @ 21.801
                                                    8 serbian @ 21.876
                                                    9 romanian-a @ 22.220
                                                    10 italian @ 22.393

                                                    4 Population
                                                    1 ecuadorian + n-european + slovenian + spaniard @ 2.195
                                                    2 ecuadorian + hungarian + n-european + spaniard @ 2.217
                                                    3 ecuadorian + n-european + slovenian + spaniard @ 2.255
                                                    4 ecuadorian + italian + n-european + n-european @ 2.259
                                                    5 ecuadorian + french + french + slovenian @ 2.275
                                                    6 ecuadorian + french + spaniard + ukranian @ 2.298
                                                    7 ecuadorian + french + french + hungarian @ 2.298
                                                    8 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.320
                                                    9 ecuadorian + hungarian + n-european + spaniard @ 2.322
                                                    10 ecuadorian + italian + n-european + utahn-white @ 2.337
                                                    11 ecuadorian + french + spaniard + ukranian @ 2.388
                                                    12 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.397
                                                    13 ecuadorian + hungarian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.403
                                                    14 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.455
                                                    15 ecuadorian + french + mordovian + spaniard @ 2.456
                                                    16 ecuadorian + french + mordovian + spaniard @ 2.489
                                                    17 ecuadorian + hungarian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.520
                                                    18 ecuadorian + n-european + orcadian + tuscan @ 2.529
                                                    19 ecuadorian + italian + utahn-white + utahn-white @ 2.530
                                                    20 ecuadorian + n-european + orcadian + tuscan @ 2.537


                                                    Notice the huge difference in results between the two different projects? The sample was from a person of known Portuguese/Mexican descent.  In the MDLP, you can see the Portuguese, but not in the Harrapaworld. And in the Harrapaworld, you can see the Spaniard and Ecuadorian, but not in the MDLP. I must also note, that both of these results are drastically different (specifically, but not generally) than the results listed for this sample at Ancestry, 23andme, FTDNA, and DNATribes.  I must also note that this person has known Sephardic ancestry verified by DNA and genealogy and neither one picked up on it. 

                                                    So to the point, GedMatch is good for generalizing, but don't take the results literally.

                                                    Randal Soza

                                                    Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                                    On Apr 20, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                                                     
                                                    So Gary and Randal,  

                                                    This means that from the "Using 1 Population Approx", Gedmatch runs my sample against these populations and the @ 34.10 (for example) indicates how close or how far I match?  And, the lower the distance, the closer a match of sorts was found?  Also, in exaple 8 "Spanish Andalucia, again this is how close/far a match was found?  Also, in the example you used in a previous email of 50% German and 50% Pima, does that mean they have a sample with just that match?

                                                    Again, thank you.  Hope you love what you do and that these questions don't drive you crazy.

                                                    Luz

                                                    Using 1 population approximation:
                                                    1 North_Italian @ 34.110 
                                                    2 Tuscan @ 34.525 
                                                    3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 35.232
                                                    4 Portuguese @ 35.255 
                                                    5 Spanish_Galicia @ 35.803
                                                    6 Spanish_Murcia @ 35.854
                                                    7 Romanian @ 36.337 
                                                    8 Spanish_Andalucia @ 36.408
                                                    9 Bulgarian @ 36.505 
                                                    10 Spanish_Valencia @ 36.528
                                                    179 iterations. 
                                                    On Apr 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Gary Felix wrote:

                                                     
                                                    Jaime,
                                                    Yes or groups datasets.

                                                    Gary

                                                    Sent from my iPhone

                                                    > On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:16 AM, sangerjaime@... wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > he

                                                  • Randal Soza
                                                    Jaime. I forgot to mention. You said that the reason why you stay with FTDNA is because you get steered in different directions. I can understand how
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                                                      Jaime. I forgot to mention. You said that the reason why you stay with FTDNA is because you get steered in different directions. I can understand how overwhelming it can be, but staying in one place can be limiting. For example, I've had people with suspected Jewish ancestry show up as just Middle Eastern at FTDNA. So I have them test with 3 other places and run the sample through GedMatch, and 4 times out of 10, all the other places will show a trace of Jewish, whereas FTDNA didn't. Hopefully the new Population Finder will fix the discrepancies.

                                                      Randal Soza

                                                      Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                                      On Apr 20, 2014, at 12:06 PM, "sangerjaime@..." <sangerjaime@...> wrote:

                                                       

                                                      Randal.

                                                      So what results can one take literally?  That is why I have stayed with FTDNA.  One goes to different companies and you get steered in a different directions.  I guess the science is really not perfect as of yet!!!!!!

                                                      Jaime R. Hernandez




                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                      From: Randal Soza <mrrandalsoza@...>
                                                      To: MexicoDNAProject <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      Sent: Sun, Apr 20, 2014 11:55 am
                                                      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Gedmatch Better address

                                                       
                                                      No, they don't have a sample that matches that 50/50 exactly. Yes, the lower the number, the closer you might be to that group.  You will find, that for all. The oracles, whether it's 1, 2, 3, or 4 populations, there will. Be multiple sets, not just one or two. I just said German and Pima as an example, instead of breaking it down into multiple ethnicities which would've made for a longer email. :)   

                                                      But like I had posted, the data sets just show you which populations your DNA closely resembles, according to their given data set. So just because it shows Spanish Andalucia, doesn't necessarily mean that you are from that specific ethnicity. GedMatch should only be used in a broad/general way. Each "Project" (Harrapaworld, Eurogenes, Dodecad, and MDLP) all have their own specific targeted groups. So for example, if I run a sample through MDLP, this is what I get

                                                      1 Population
                                                      1 Montenegrin @ 15.314
                                                      2 Macedonian @ 15.324
                                                      3 Serbian @ 15.398
                                                      4 Swiss @ 15.468
                                                      5 German-South @ 15.615
                                                      6 Bulgarian @ 15.842
                                                      7 Romania @ 16.227
                                                      8 Italian_North @ 17.620
                                                      9 Gagauz @ 17.808
                                                      10 French @ 17.832
                                                      276 iterations.

                                                      4 Population
                                                      1 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish @ 2.451
                                                      2 Cochimi + Croatian_V + Italian-North + Swedish_V @ 2.471
                                                      3 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Swiss @ 2.501
                                                      4 Cochimi + Estonian + Italian-North + Provancestralal @ 2.536
                                                      5 Cochimi + Croatian_V + Italian-North + Swedish @ 2.550
                                                      6 Cochimi + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish_V @ 2.568
                                                      7 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian_V + Swedish_V @ 2.576
                                                      8 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Provancestralal @ 2.604
                                                      9 Colombian + Corsican + Estonian + Provancestralal @ 2.611
                                                      10 Bosnian + Colombian + Portugese + Swedish @ 2.637
                                                      11 Cochimi + Estonian + Italian-North + Swiss @ 2.647
                                                      12 Colombian + Croatian + Portugese + Swedish @ 2.662
                                                      13 Colombian + Corsican + Slovakian + Swedish @ 2.664
                                                      14 Cochimi + Corsican + Estonian + Italian_North @ 2.704
                                                      15 Colombian + Corsican + Croatian + Swedish_V @ 2.713
                                                      16 Cochimi + Corsican + Norwegian_V + Ukrainian-Center @ 2.718
                                                      17 Basque + Colombian + Estonian + Greek_North @ 2.719
                                                      18 Colombian + Serbian + Swedish + Swiss @ 2.724
                                                      19 Cochimi + Latvian_V + Norwegian_V + Portugese @ 2.726
                                                      20 Colombian + Corsican + Czech + Swedish @ 2.727

                                                      Now, if I run that exact same sample through Harrapaworld, this is what I get

                                                      1 Population
                                                      1 french @ 17.512
                                                      2 hungarian @ 19.973
                                                      3 puerto-rican @ 20.114
                                                      4 utahn-white @ 21.427
                                                      5 slovenian @ 21.559
                                                      6 spaniard @ 21.756
                                                      7 n-european @ 21.801
                                                      8 serbian @ 21.876
                                                      9 romanian-a @ 22.220
                                                      10 italian @ 22.393

                                                      4 Population
                                                      1 ecuadorian + n-european + slovenian + spaniard @ 2.195
                                                      2 ecuadorian + hungarian + n-european + spaniard @ 2.217
                                                      3 ecuadorian + n-european + slovenian + spaniard @ 2.255
                                                      4 ecuadorian + italian + n-european + n-european @ 2.259
                                                      5 ecuadorian + french + french + slovenian @ 2.275
                                                      6 ecuadorian + french + spaniard + ukranian @ 2.298
                                                      7 ecuadorian + french + french + hungarian @ 2.298
                                                      8 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.320
                                                      9 ecuadorian + hungarian + n-european + spaniard @ 2.322
                                                      10 ecuadorian + italian + n-european + utahn-white @ 2.337
                                                      11 ecuadorian + french + spaniard + ukranian @ 2.388
                                                      12 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.397
                                                      13 ecuadorian + hungarian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.403
                                                      14 ecuadorian + slovenian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.455
                                                      15 ecuadorian + french + mordovian + spaniard @ 2.456
                                                      16 ecuadorian + french + mordovian + spaniard @ 2.489
                                                      17 ecuadorian + hungarian + spaniard + utahn-white @ 2.520
                                                      18 ecuadorian + n-european + orcadian + tuscan @ 2.529
                                                      19 ecuadorian + italian + utahn-white + utahn-white @ 2.530
                                                      20 ecuadorian + n-european + orcadian + tuscan @ 2.537


                                                      Notice the huge difference in results between the two different projects? The sample was from a person of known Portuguese/Mexican descent.  In the MDLP, you can see the Portuguese, but not in the Harrapaworld. And in the Harrapaworld, you can see the Spaniard and Ecuadorian, but not in the MDLP. I must also note, that both of these results are drastically different (specifically, but not generally) than the results listed for this sample at Ancestry, 23andme, FTDNA, and DNATribes.  I must also note that this person has known Sephardic ancestry verified by DNA and genealogy and neither one picked up on it. 

                                                      So to the point, GedMatch is good for generalizing, but don't take the results literally.

                                                      Randal Soza

                                                      Jewish Mexico Arizona Southwest US DNA Project Admin

                                                      On Apr 20, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Meyerson Marie <mmeyerson@...> wrote:

                                                       
                                                      So Gary and Randal,  

                                                      This means that from the "Using 1 Population Approx", Gedmatch runs my sample against these populations and the @ 34.10 (for example) indicates how close or how far I match?  And, the lower the distance, the closer a match of sorts was found?  Also, in exaple 8 "Spanish Andalucia, again this is how close/far a match was found?  Also, in the example you used in a previous email of 50% German and 50% Pima, does that mean they have a sample with just that match?

                                                      Again, thank you.  Hope you love what you do and that these questions don't drive you crazy.

                                                      Luz

                                                      Using 1 population approximation:
                                                      1 North_Italian @ 34.110 
                                                      2 Tuscan @ 34.525 
                                                      3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 35.232
                                                      4 Portuguese @ 35.255 
                                                      5 Spanish_Galicia @ 35.803
                                                      6 Spanish_Murcia @ 35.854
                                                      7 Romanian @ 36.337 
                                                      8 Spanish_Andalucia @ 36.408
                                                      9 Bulgarian @ 36.505 
                                                      10 Spanish_Valencia @ 36.528
                                                      179 iterations. 
                                                      On Apr 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Gary Felix wrote:

                                                       
                                                      Jaime,
                                                      Yes or groups datasets.

                                                      Gary

                                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                                      > On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:16 AM, sangerjaime@... wrote:
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                                                      > he

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