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839RE: Re: Which SNP to test for

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  • earthchild_marie
    Oct 31, 2013
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       Gary, what is the Geno2 project and does FTDNA test for that?



      ---In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, <mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      Joel Sr.
      on your haplogroup page at the bottom there are the FAQ tabs:

      Understanding Results: Y-DNA Single Nucleotide Polymorphism (SNP)


      Understanding Results: Y-DNA Single Nucleotide Polymorphism (SNP)


      You are predicted to be R1b and presumed to be the R paragroup markers which doesn't tell you much of anything.

      >She said the project administrator should recommend what tests >might fit the project.
      This is why I made this recommendation:
      Another way is to join an haplogroup project as the admin should be able to offer advice on the specific haplogroup SNP that would best fit your STR values.
      We are a geographical project and the haplogroup projects specialize in what markers their members should test for.  Recommending SNP's is something they do. It is too much research for a geographical project admin.  Try joining the R-P312 project.

      I believe the help pages I have provided links to should answer your other questions.

      You could always purchase the Geno2 product which would help find your terminal SNP.

      Gary
      Mexico DNA Project Admin.



      --- In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, JOEL SR wrote:
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      I was told by FTDNA that these are terminal presumptive positives.
      M207 ^P227 ^P280 ^P232 ^P224 ^P229 ^P285 ^
       
      Explain SNIPS? I was told that FTDNA does not provide information on the additional testing as L23 to L165.
       
      She said the project administrator should recommend what tests might fit the project.
       
      Is there a nomenclature for all theses items e.g. L23, L165 etc.  
       
      Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D..
      >
      > From: "garyf@..." garyf@...
      > >To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
      > >Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 1:40 AM
      > >Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Which SNP to test for
      > >
      > > 
      > >Joel,
      > >you are predicted to be R-M269 so yes these are all possibilities in addition to new SNP's recently discovered. 
      > >
      > >
      > >I don't see any you are presumed positive for on your FTDNA Y DNA hapo and SNP page. This would be the upstream markers if you tested positive for a particular SNP. 
      > >
      > >
      > >There are several ways to determine which SNP to test for. On the Mexico DNA Project page there are listed several haplogroups like this one with STR's that are common in particular haplogroups:
      > >R1b-M222 Deep Ancestry - Decendant of L21 above. NW Irish origin. DYS 439 = 11, DYS459 = 8-9, DYS464 = 13-13-15-17, DYS456 = 15, DYS463 = 23.Latest information on (M222+).
      > >Another way is to join an haplogroup project as the admin should be able to offer advice on the specific haplogroup SNP that would best fit your STR values.
      > >You could also test for the same haplogroup as your closest matches but for R1b you should always test for 67 markers (STR's or Single Tandem Repeats).
      > >I would find a list of mutation rates which are on the project page and look for matches on the slowest mutating markers. The main thing is to look for where you are different from others in the database on these markers and find out what their terminal SNP is and test for it. For R1b the reference is the Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype. 
      > >The forums or Yahoo groups are a good source of new developments in the various haplogroups pertaining to new SNP's to test for.
      > >Keep in mind that the FTDNA haplotree is already outdated. Of course your Y DNA ancestry and STR's would help dictate which test to order first.
      > >The Stuckey's Y DNA line appear to be your closest matches.  They don't appear to have made their SNP known publicly so you may try asking one of them. 
      > >Gary --- In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, JOEL SR wrote:>> Hi Joel> Can you post this to our yahoo group?> > Gary> > Sent from my iPhone> > On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:30 AM, JOEL SR hrjoel3@ wrote:> > > Gary: > > > >On the Haplotree SNP> > > >How can one tell what SNP to order for testing? It appears that I could be tested for all of these 1. L23 !R1b1a2a* > > 1. L150 !R1b1a2a1* > > 1. L51 !R1b1a2a1a* > > 1. L52L11P311P310 !L151R1b1a2a1a1* > > 1. U106 !R1b1a2a1a1a* > > 1. U198 !R1b1a2a1a1a1> > 2. P107 !R1b1a2a1a1a2> > 3. L1 !R1b1a2a1a1a3> > 4. L48 !R1b1a2a1a1a4* > > 1. L47 !R1b1a2a1a1a4a* > > 1. L44 !L163R1b1a2a1a1a4a1* > > 1. L46 !R1b1a2a1a1a4a1a* > > 1. L45L164 !L237R1b1a2a1a1a4a1a1> > 2. L148 !R1b1a2a1a1a4b> > 3. L188 !R1b1a2a1a1a4c> > 5. L6 !R1b1a2a1a1a5> > 6. P89.2 !R1b1a2a1a1a6> > 7. L217 !R1b1a2a1a1a7> > 8. L257 !R1b1a2a1a1a8> > 9. L325 !R1b1a2a1a1a9> > 2. P312 !R1b1a2a1a1b* > > 1. M65 !R1b1a2a1a1b1> > 2. M153 !R1b1a2a1a1b2> > 3.
      > U152 !R1b1a2a1a1b3* > > 1. M126 !R1b1a2a1a1b3a> > 2. M160 !R1b1a2a1a1b3b> > 3. L2 !R1b1a2a1a1b3c* > > 1. L20 !R1b1a2a1a1b3c1* > > 1. M228.2 !R1b1a2a1a1b3c1a> > 2. L196 !R1b1a2a1a1b3c2> > 4. L4 !R1b1a2a1a1b3d> > 4. L21 !R1b1a2a1a1b4* > > 1. M37 !R1b1a2a1a1b4a> > 2. M222 !R1b1a2a1a1b4b> > 3. P66 !R1b1a2a1a1b4c> > 4. L96 !R1b1a2a1a1b4d> > 5. L144 !L195R1b1a2a1a1b4e> > 6. L159.2 !R1b1a2a1a1b4f> > 7. L193 !R1b1a2a1a1b4g> > 8. L226 !R1b1a2a1a1b4h> > 9. P314.2 !R1b1a2a1a1b4i> > 5. L176.2 !R1b1a2a1a1b5* > > 1. SRY2627 !R1b1a2a1a1b5a> > 2. L165 !R1b1a2a1a1b5b> > 2. M335R1b1b> > 1. V88> > 2. R1b1c* > > 3. 1. M18R1b1c1> > 4. P267P249M124L266> > 5. R2* > > 6. 1. L294R2a> >Legend: Your Confirmed HaplogroupYour Predicted Haplogroup+Tested Positive-Tested Negative^Presumed Positive!Test Available...Test In Progress> >> >P232 ^P224 ^P227 ^P280 ^P285 ^M207 ^P229 ^ What does it mean that you are assumed positive for these items? What SNP do they represent?> > > >Joel>
      > > > >Gary:> > > >How rare is R M207? Is connected with Q  and fromP45?> > > >See copied.> > > >In human genetics, Haplogroup R is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup, a subgroup of haplogroup P, associated with the M207 mutation. It is believed to have occurred somewhere in Northwest Asia between 30,000 and 35,000 years ago. However, most of the rare forms of Haplogroup R chromosomes, as well as most cases of the closely related Haplogroup Q, are found among populations of Central Asia, South Asia, Australia, Siberia, Native Americans, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "); > > > Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.>
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      > M207 ^P227 ^P280 ^P232 ^P224 ^P229 ^P285 ^
      >  
      > Explain SNIPS? I was told that FTDNA does not provide information on the additional testing as L23 to L165.
      >  
      > She said the project administrator should recommend what tests might fit the project.
      >  
      > Is there a nomenclature for all theses items e.g. L23, L165 etc.  
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