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827Re: [MexicoDNAProject] RE: Family Finder results

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  • Danny Borquez
    Oct 28, 2013
      Hi Gary, 

       I was checking FTDNA  for Haplotree & SNP's and I saw all the SNP's they showed I could test for , when I compared those to my Geno 2 results  I had tested positive for the majority of them . I called Family Tree and asked them why my results haven't been merged ( It's been close to 8 months) and they told me they are having tech problems with this procedure. This issue has been brought up by a lot of other people and they don't know when it will be fixed but they are working on it. When Joel mentioned M207 I saw I was positive for it on my Geno 2 results so that's when I started comparing FTDNA with my Geno 2 results.
      I just thought I'd bring it up in case anyone else has noticed that problem.

      On Sunday, October 27, 2013 1:44 PM, JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...> wrote:
      Hi Joel
      Can you post this to our yahoo group?


      Sent from my iPhone

      On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:30 AM, JOEL SR <hrjoel3@...> wrote:

      On the Haplotree SNP
      How can one tell what SNP to order for testing? It appears that I could be tested for all of these
      1. L23 !
        1. L150 !
          1. L51 !
            1. L52L11P311P310 !L151
              1. U106 !
                1. U198 !
                2. P107 !
                3. L1 !
                4. L48 !
                  1. L47 !
                    1. L44 !L163
                      1. L46 !
                        1. L45L164 !L237
                  2. L148 !
                  3. L188 !
                5. L6 !
                6. P89.2 !
                7. L217 !
                8. L257 !
                9. L325 !
              2. P312 !
                1. M65 !
                2. M153 !
                3. U152 !
                  1. M126 !
                  2. M160 !
                  3. L2 !
                    1. L20 !
                      1. M228.2 !
                    2. L196 !
                  4. L4 !
                4. L21 !
                  1. M37 !
                  2. M222 !
                  3. P66 !
                  4. L96 !
                  5. L144 !L195
                  6. L159.2 !
                  7. L193 !
                  8. L226 !
                  9. P314.2 !
                5. L176.2 !
                  1. SRY2627 !
                  2. L165 !
      2. M335
      1. V88
        1. M18
      2. P267P249M124L266
        1. L294
      Legend: Your Confirmed HaplogroupYour Predicted Haplogroup+Tested Positive-Tested Negative^Presumed Positive!Test Available...Test In Progress
      P232 ^P224 ^P227 ^P280 ^P285 ^M207 ^P229 ^ What does it mean that you are assumed positive for these items? What SNP do they represent?
      How rare is R M207? Is connected with Q  and fromP45?
      See copied.
      In human genetics, Haplogroup R is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup, a subgroup of haplogroup P, associated with the M207 mutation. It is believed to have occurred somewhere in Northwest Asia between 30,000 and 35,000 years ago. However, most of the rare forms of Haplogroup R chromosomes, as well as most cases of the closely related Haplogroup Q, are found among populations of Central Asia, South Asia, Australia, Siberia, Native Americans, and

      Joel K. Harris, Sr., Ph.D.
      From: "sangerjaime@..." <sangerjaime@...>
      To: MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13 AM
      Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] RE: Family Finder results
      I would think that Don Luis's will would be recorded in the death records of San Fernando Cathedral?  

      -----Original Message----- From: GILBERT VILLERREAL <gvillerreal63@...> To: MexicoDNAProject <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:59 am Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] RE: Family Finder results
      Thank you, that is the same Menchaca. Like I said I cannot document that he is the father. Will keep searching for more evidence. 
      On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:29 PM, <sangerjaime@...> wrote:

      Google---- Hernandez, Andres-Texas State Historical Association.  In this disputed land grant in San Antonio Texas is mentioned a Luis Antonio Menchaca who also claimed ownership to the grant.  This may be a lead.  Andres Hernandez's wife, Maria Hoyos is my Tia 5th generations approximately!!

      Jaime Rendon Hernandez

      -----Original Message----- From: GILBERT VILLERREAL <gvillerreal63@...> To: MexicoDNAProject <MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] RE: Family Finder results
      The baptismal record is from Villa San Fernando de Bexar.
      5th Great grand Mother  Margarita Menchaca.
      I suspect that the father of Antonia Serafina Menchaca, the daughter of Margarita is Don Luis Menchaca, the master of Margarita no proof or documentation. I am looking for the will of Don Luis Menchaca. 
      San Fernando Church Baptisms 1731-1775
      entry 325 p20
      John Ogden Leal
      San Antonio Public Library
      Antonia Serafina Menchaca was baptised when she was 8 days old. She was bastised at San Fernando, in Villa Bejar. The record states that she is a Mestiza, child of Margarita Menchaca, Apache Indian, servant of Don Luis Menchaca, who raised her, " y es publica " Godmother Maria de Anpuco.
      On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@...> wrote:
      Great, what state and town is the baptismal record from?
      On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:17 PM, <gvillerreal63@...> wrote:
      I have found a female ancestor who is listed as an Apache in a baptismal record.  
      ---In mexicodnaproject@yahoogroups.com, <armandor1b@...> wrote:
      The term Maya with Family Finder is just a generic term. Indians from all over Mexico will have their aDNA show as Maya. This does not mean they are literally directly descended from them. It is more an example about how far DNA testing has to go before they can correctly identify aDNA being part of a subgroup such as Mayans being a subgroups of Mexican and Central American Indians. The terms that FTDNA uses can be very misleading. They do us a favor by providing testing but they also do us an injustice by using those generic terms. The North American Indians and the Indians from northern Mexico do show an affinity and their aDNA can be shown to be slightly different from Indians from the rest of Mexico but even before the arrival of Spaniards there was a lot of mixing over thousands of years. Then once the Spanish arrived there was a lot of change especially since many of the Indian allies of the Spanish were taken with the Spanish to assist in the pacification of northern Mexico and what is now New Mexico and Texas. This caused even more mixing of different Indian groups and Spaniards.
      --- In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, "earthchild_marie" <earthchild_marie@...> wrote:
      > They will reply if you match exaqctly or at step 1. All other matches mean they would have to do a paper trail. If you are 1/3 Maya that means you need to start looking for relatives in southern Mexico or in Zacatecas and the same for your North Africa ancestors, because there were lots of African slaves imported to Mexico City in the 1600/1700s.
      > You might try joining some of the genealogy clubs, too. Do you live in the USA or in Mexico? The only Villareal person in my Brito database is Clara de Villareal, who died in 1752 in Picuris, Taos county, USA. She was the 1st wife of Melchor Rodriguez, son of Sebastian Rodriguez y Brito, who was born in Angola Africa about 1642; Melchor's mother was Juana de la Cruz; they married in El Paso del Norte in 1697.
      > --- In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, "Gilbert villerreal" <gvillerreal63@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi,
      > > My Y dna is R1b1a2 R M269. I have just received the results form family finder population . Europe 38.88% Native American Central America (Maya) is 38.91% and Middle east North Africa (mozabite). I have e mailed a few possible matches, but no response. Do others have better results when they e mail possible matches? I had 3 matches for the y dna 37 markers, but have never received any response from anyone on the list of matches, very frustrating.
      > >

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