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  • pderas1
    Aug 7, 2013
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      Peggy



      --- In MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com, Peggy Deras <pderas@...> wrote:
      >
      > In this response I copied and pasted all of the
      > previous messages in this thread.
      >
      > Peggy
      >
      >
      >
      > Tue Aug 6, 2013 11:04 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > <mailto:danny_borquez@...?subject=Re%3A%20R1b-Z214>"Danny
      > Borquez" danny_borquez
      >
      > Hi Joel,
      > Â The answer I got about the + and - on the Geno
      > Â 2 raw data is ( which is not indicated) " you
      > have to look up the negative / ancestral value
      > for each SNP to know whether you are positive /
      > derived or not" and " some values in the raw data
      > are not reporting correctly such as Z262 which is
      > falsely reporting positive for everyone". So, as
      > you can tell, I started not knowing too much and
      > every question just brings up another question.
      > I don't know how common it is but I'm also R-Z212 on my paternal line.
      >
      > Danny
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: Joel Peres
      > <<mailto:joelfrancisperes%40gmail.com>joelfrancisperes@...>
      > To:
      > "<mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com"
      > <<mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 4:31 PM
      > Subject: Re: [MexicoDNAProject] Re: R1b-Z214
      >
      >
      > Â
      > attached is my NatGeo raw data, in case its helpful.
      >
      > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:28 PM,
      > <mailto:mexr1b%40att.net>mexr1b@...
      > <<mailto:armandor1b%40att.net>armandor1b@...> wrote:
      >
      > >Â
      > >I already understood that you are Z214+
      > >
      > >What I was inferring is-
      > >
      > >Does Z214 show up differently on your Geno 2.0
      > results than your M153 results?
      > >
      > >Do only positive markers show up on Geno 2.O
      > Results? Does anything that is or that should be negative show up?
      > >
      > >
      > >--- In
      > <mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com,
      > Danny Borquez <danny_borquez@> wrote:
      > >>
      > >
      > >> I know I'm Z214+ and also a + for
      > Z211,Z212,Z270,Z273,Z278,Z279,Z299 AND THEY ALSO
      > SHOW UP ON MY GENO 2.O RESULTS. I'M THINKING IF
      > IT SHOWS UP IN THE RAW DATA IT'S A +. My M153 also shows up.
      > >>
      > >> Danny
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> ________________________________
      > >
      > >> From: "mexr1b@" <armandor1b@>
      > >> To:
      > <mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
      > >
      > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 10:14 AM
      > >> Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Re: R1b-Z214
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > > ÂÂ
      > >
      > >> I am not sure about that. I got the Deep
      > Clade test while it was still available and there
      > isn't much info elsewhere on that. I can only go
      > off what shows up on your FTDNA results in the DF27 project.
      > >>
      > >> What does it say for Z214?
      > >>
      > >
      > > --- In
      > <mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com,
      > Danny Borquez <danny_borquez@> wrote:
      > >> >
      > >> > On my Geno 2.0 raw data it shows M153
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      > >> >
      > >> > Danny
      > >> >
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      > >> >
      > >> > ________________________________
      > >> > From: "mexr1b@" <armandor1b@>
      > >
      > >> > To:
      > <mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
      > >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 7:08 AM
      > >> > Subject: [MexicoDNAProject] Re: R1b-Z214
      > >> >
      > >> >
      > >> >
      > >
      > > > ÂÂÂ
      > >
      > >> > Joel. Everyone that is P312+, or assumed
      > P312+, is part of the North South cluster. Since
      > a majority of Mexican and Spanish R1b is P312+
      > and DF27+ that means that a majority of us are part of the North South cluster.
      > >> >
      > >> > "R1b-NS ("North/South") is a cluster first
      > identified by Dr. Kenneth Nordtvedt in 2006, and
      > was confirmed as P312+ in late 2008"
      > >> >
      > <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-P312-WTY/>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-P312-WTY/
      > >> >
      > >> > Therefore, the the North South cluster is
      > an outdated term and it reality it is east-west.
      > P312 seems to have come from the east and
      > expanded west as opposed to it starting in Iberia
      > as it was originally thought. Look at all of the
      > countries where P312 is found.
      > >> >
      > >> > The P312 project can be seen at
      > >> >
      > <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/atlantic-r1b1c/default.aspx?section=yresults>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/atlantic-r1b1c/default.aspx?section=yresults
      > >> >
      > >> > I am curious as to why Danny was not tested
      > for M153. The admin for the DF27 group doesn't
      > mention that he should test for it. Gary or the
      > admin for the DF27 group should be consulted before he purchases the test.
      > >> >
      > >> > The DF27 group can be seen at
      > >> >
      > <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-DF27/default.aspx?section=yresults>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-DF27/default.aspx?section=yresults
      > >> >
      > >> > --- In
      > <mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com,
      > Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@> wrote:
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Wow, it looks like we're the 4 amigos!
      > >> > > Did they mention if you happen to be part of the North South cluster?
      > >> > > Terminal SNP is the last SNP that you've
      > tested positive for. In my case,
      > >> > > regarding FTDNA, my terminal SNP is
      > Z278+......they mean terminal because I
      > >> > > not only tested positive for Z278, but I
      > tested negative for the next one
      > >> > > in the sequence, which in my case I'm Z214-. I'm guessing you're a good
      > >> > > candidate to be M153+
      > >> > >
      > >> > >
      > >> > > On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Danny Borquez <danny_borquez@>wrote:
      > >> > >
      > >> > > > **
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Hey Joel,
      > >> > > > I forgot to add some other info on the msg. board:
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > CTS12074+--Lopez,Borquez,Trinqier,Peres
      > >> > > > Z270+:-------Lopez,Borquez,tinquier,Peres
      > >> > > > Z273+:-------Lopez,Borquez,Trinqier,Peres
      > >> > > > Z278+,Z211+,Z212+, Same as above
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Z214+,Z279+,Z299+:--Lopez,Borquez,Trinquier
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Danny
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > ------------------------------
      > >> > > > *From:* Danny Borquez <danny_borquez@>
      > >> > > > *To:*
      > "<mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com"
      > <<mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:56 PM
      > >> > > > *Subject:* Re: [MexicoDNAProject] R1b-Z214
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Hi Joel,
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > My Borquez family, which I believe were
      > French Basque from Spain, arrived
      > >> > > > in Sonora in the late 1700's and my
      > grandparents lived near Hermosillo and
      > >> > > > Cananea before coming to San Fernando,
      > Ca in 1921. Since I'm new to this, I
      > >> > > > don't know how to figure out my
      > terminal SNP. I actually looked up Terminal
      > >> > > > SNP and that didn't help.
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Danny
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > ------------------------------
      > >> > > > *From:* Joel Peres <joelfrancisperes@>
      > >> > > > *To:*
      > "<mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com"
      > <<mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:00 PM
      > >> > > > *Subject:* Re: [MexicoDNAProject] R1b-Z214
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Thanks for sharing that Danny,
      > >> > > > What's your terminal SNP? Mine is Z278+ however, I'm Z214- as well as
      > >> > > > M153-
      > >> > > > On Nat Geo I'm R-Z212.
      > >> > > > Within Mexico, where's your Y from? Mine is from Nuevo Leon.
      > >> > > > Cheers
      > >> > > > Joel F Peres
      > >> > > > Chandler, AZ
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Danny Borquez <danny_borquez@>wrote:
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > **
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Hi Gary,
      > >> > > > I was looking at the message board for
      > the Rib-P312 Project because of
      > >> > > > one the guys from the Geno 2.0 had contacted me and a name from your
      > >> > > > discussions came up, Joel Peres.
      > Someone in the group wanted to look at my
      > >> > > > raw data because my results confirms Joel's CTS 12074 result. I just
      > >> > > > thought I'd pass that on.
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Danny
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > ------------------------------
      > >> > > > *From:* Gary Felix <garyf@>
      > >> > > > *To:*
      > "<mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com"
      > <<mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 4, 2013 2:05 PM
      > >> > > > *Subject:* Re: [MexicoDNAProject] R1b-Z214
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Your welcome Danny,
      > >> > > > If he is a Borquez you would only see
      > if there had been a mutation between
      > >> > > > him and yourself. Not very likely but could happen.
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Gary
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > ------------------------------
      > >> > > > *From:* Danny Borquez <danny_borquez@>
      > >> > > > *To:*
      > "<mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com"
      > <<mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com>
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 4, 2013 1:25 PM
      > >> > > > *Subject:* Re: [MexicoDNAProject] R1b-Z214
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Thanks Gary, I meant to ask you one
      > more thing, my grandfathers brother is
      > >> > > > still alive, would there be a good reason to have him tested?
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Danny
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > ------------------------------
      > >> > > > *From:* "garyf@" <garyf@>
      > >> > > > *To:*
      > <mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com
      > >> > > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:38 AM
      > >> > > > *Subject:* [MexicoDNAProject] R1b-Z214
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Hi Danny,
      > >> > > > you are the only one in our project with null at DYS641.
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > You have tested out to Z214 which is
      > ancestral to M153 which is the marker
      > >> > > > found in about 10 percent of the Basque males.
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Interesting result.
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Here is a search on Null values from the FTDNA website:
      > >> > > >
      > <http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/search.aspx?k=null&c=&o=0&ps=25>http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/search.aspx?k=null&c=&o=0&ps=25
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > A NULL value is when there has been a
      > mutation<<http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#742>http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#742>
      > that
      > >> > > > prevents a reading for a Y-chromosome
      > DNA
      > (Y-DNA)<<http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#796>http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#796>
      > >> > > > STR (Short Tandem
      > Repeat)<<http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#781>http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#781>
      > from
      > >> > > > being obtainable. It may be an actual
      > deletion of the entire STR. It may
      > >> > > > also be caused by a change in DNA
      > values such that the
      > primer<<http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#768>http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#768>
      > does
      > >> > > > not work.
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Saludos,
      > >> > > > Gary
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > --- In
      > <mailto:MexicoDNAProject%40yahoogroups.com>MexicoDNAProject@yahoogroups.com,
      > Danny Borquez wrote:
      > >> > > > >
      > >> > > > > Hi Gary,
      > >> > > > >
      > >
      > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ I'm in 5 didifferent groups,
      > I noticed that for DYS 641, I am the only
      > >
      > >> > > > 0 in all the groups except for one
      > person in one group otherwise everything
      > >> > > > else is almost an exact match, what does that mean?
      > >> > > > >
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