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  • monroesilver
    A famous person that probably did not “ride with Pancho Villa” , but strongly hinted that he did and even told some stories to friends of his “adventures
    Message 1 of 12 , Jun 2, 2012
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      A famous person that probably did not “ride with Pancho Villa” , but strongly hinted that he did and even told some stories to friends of his “adventures with Pancho Villa” during the early years of the Mexican Revolution of 1910—1920 , was the silent movie star Tom Mix .
       
      Mix was noted for “tall tales” about his “mysterious past” . He told of being with the Rough Riders & Teddy Roosevelt & the “charge up San Quian Heights” in Cuba during the Spanish—American War of 1898 . Mix was most likely too young to have been with Teddy & the Rough Riders , even if someone bothered to check military records . Same would hold true of Mix strongly hinting that he fought in the Boer War in Southern Africa in 1899 to 1902 , on one side or the other of the combatents England and the Dutch/Boer farmers/settlers of the Transvaal or of being part of the “Klondike gold rush” in Alaska after the turn of the 1900’s . But Tom Mix never let facts get in the way of a thrilling story “hinting at a past filled with dangerous events” .
       
      But stories of “riding with Pancho Villa” was something that kept popping up in the romantic , eventful life of Tom Mix . It is doubtful that the timeline of Mix’s known career in Hollywood , could have allowed time to “ride with Villa” during the early part of the Revolution . But stories did persist . There is a romantic , action adventure novel by Clifford Irving , titled “Tom Mix and Pancho Villa” . Irving says he was inspired to write the fiction novel because of stories he had heard from relative who had worked with Tom Mix during his years in Hollywood as a silent screen actor . Irving “weaves young Tom Mix” into many true events of Villa’s life and true historic characters , such as Rodolfo Fierro , Lt. George Patton , Tomas Urbina , Candelario Cervantes , Obergon , etc .
       
      It is an interesting speculation about Tom Mix “riding with Pancho Villa” , true or not !
       
       
    • F N Miranda
      I would like to see Pancho save Clint... neat movie idea. -Frank Miranda To: MexicanRevolution@yahoogroups.com From: monroesilver@bellsouth.net Date: Thu, 31
      Message 2 of 12 , Jun 2, 2012
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        I would like to see Pancho save Clint... neat movie idea.


        -Frank Miranda


        To: MexicanRevolution@yahoogroups.com
        From: monroesilver@...
        Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:16:00 -0500
        Subject: [MexicanRevolution] Re: Famous Folks Who Claim To Have Ridden With Pancho Villa

         

        I shall mention someone that definitely Did Not “ride with Pancho Villa” , but I wish it could happen in an action movie ! Please indulge this fantasy : Today is Clint Eastwood’s 82 Birthday (5/31/2012) and maybe there are a few members that remember Clint’s early movies where he was the “man with no name , in the spigettie westerns” (filmed in Spain , I think) . What I have had in my head is Clint once again in his role as the man with no name , only he is 82 years young , is dying and has ventured down to old Mexico to live out his last days in a place that still is somewhat “the old West” which he loves and  has lived his long & adventurous life .
         
        Clint happens into Northern Mexico at the beginning of the Mexican Revolution and through fate , saves the lives of Pancho Villa and Rodolfo Fierro  , from a calvery unit of Federales , in typical “fast gun , shoot um up” , spellbinding action . The old gunfighter has not lost his abilities , when pushed or when danger arises or to save the innocent . Old Clint’s talents are recognized by Villa and he is recruited into Villa’s irregulars and goes on to high adventure and action and ends his long life “in a blaze of old West gunfighter glory” , fighting for and Riding with Pancho Villa and his quest to liberate the poor & oppressed in Mexico !

      • monroesilver
        In the idea for an action movie with 82 year young Clint Eastwood in his role as “the man with no name” in Northern Mexico in the early days of the
        Message 3 of 12 , Jun 2, 2012
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          In the idea for an action movie with 82 year young Clint Eastwood in his role as “the man with no name” in Northern Mexico in the early days of the Revolution ; Clint is dying and wanting his last days to be in the Old West , with guns blazing and danger , but he wants to go out in style , not dying in his sleep or sick in a hospital . When faced with danger , in the form of “bad guy Federalies or other evil gunslingers “ , he ask (in that raspy , quiet , barely audible Clint voice) “I want you to kill me !” When the bad guys laugh at him or put him down “as an old gringo , not worth a good bullet” , Clint get angry and “becomes the Man With No Name” of the old days & with guns blazing , he wipes out large numbers of Federalies .
           
          Its in a situation in a small , dusty Mexican village , in front of a cantina where a troop of Huerta’s Federal calvery surround Villa & Rodolfo Fierro , who are visiting some lady friends and Villa , Fierro & senorettas are  about to “fill them full of holes”.  Then a coughing , wheezing , bend & shuffling , 82 year old “man with no name” walks up , slowly lights up a stoggie & asks the calvery captain & his men to “please kill me” ! They laugh at him and demean him a loco old gringo , not worth a bullet & to get the hell away , so they can “kill some real men in Villa & Fierro” . Bad move by the Federalies . This really hacks old Clint off & the fireworks begin and Clint moves and shoots like the young “man with no name” of 40 years ago !
           
          In this way he saves Villa and Fierro & joins their cause . Clint & Fierro have some “touchy moments” , as Fierro wants to know who is faster & Fierro doesn’t seem to want to live much either . But something always keeps the two gunslingers from doing each other in and a common enemy gives them a reason to remain as distrustful teammates in Villa’s cause .
           
           
        • monroesilver
          I this “imaginary movie” with 82 year old Clint as the man with no name , who has joined Villa cause ; time and again , in a desperate situation for Villa
          Message 4 of 12 , Jun 2, 2012
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            I this “imaginary movie” with 82 year old Clint as the man with no name , who has joined Villa cause ; time and again , in a desperate situation for Villa & his men , when greatly out numbered , cornered and about to get slaughtered—Clint (and sometimes with Rodolfo Fierro) pulls off some suicidal move that saves them all . It is often a “comedy of errors” by the enemy that allows this 82 year old gunfighter to be the hero . It is often a bumbling , goofy , yet totally heroic old Clint , trying to get killed & yet “saves the day . Its almost as if God doesn’t want the old gunfighter to leave the Wild West  just yet and try as he will Clint can’t get killed & this emboldens Villa’s discouraged & desparate men to fight with gusto & daring-do . The become a bold fighting force , because of old Clint & Fierro’s death defying stunts . Villa is amazed at what they do & there is much celebrating and merry making . Villa become a general and no longer a bandit , watching all this bravery and is drawn into the “do or die” fighting style of the man with no name ! (pure fiction , but what the heck !)
          • monroesilver
            Some famous folks who did ride with Pancho Villa and saw many battles first hand were men and women involved with the Mutual Film Company . In the book ,
            Message 5 of 12 , Jun 3, 2012
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              Some famous folks who did ride with Pancho Villa and saw many battles first hand were men and women involved with the Mutual Film Company . In the book , “Filming Pancho : How Hollywood Shaped the Mexican Revolution “ by Margarita De Orellana , much detail is given about this unique period of time , as live (and some not so live) battles were filmed , showing all the death & distruction of war and shown to the public for the first time .
               
              Many early days silent film movie producers , businessmen , cameramen ,directors , actresses and actors , who were well known in that day , but many became more famous in later times , were involved with Mutual’s filming agreement with Villa . There is quite a volume of fascinating information & stories about this interesting time in history . It began with some of Villa’s men approaching cameramen representing American newsreel companies filming the capture of Ciudad Juarez by Villa forces at the end of 1913 . In response to the interest shown by the Americans to film Villa’s activities , a deal was proposed . Pancho Villa would allow cameramen to accompany him on his campaigns and would give them escort , transport and food if the companies would give him 50% of their profits on the films . Only Mutual Film Company showed interest . Head of the company and astute businessman Harry Aitken got financing from Wall Street bankers and sent an envoy of Frank Thayer and lawyer Gunther Lessing to meet Villa in Juarez on January 3 , 1914 . Villa signed an exclusive contract with Mutual for $25,000 , stating that battles would be filmed in daylight if possible & if not Villa would restage them for the cameras & no other film company would be allowed on the battlefield .   
               
              Some of the cameramen on this operation were Carl von Hoffman , Charles Rosher , Herbert Dean , L.M. Burrud , Sherman Martin and sometime actor Raoul Walsh . All became big time cameramen or production personal in Hollywood movie business and Walsh became a famous actor and film director . These men and others were often in dangerous situations  during battles , the cameras had to be placed on elevated spots to shoot the entire field of fighting . Opposing Federal soldiers learned to use these elevated cameras for range finders & knew Villa’s fighters were directly ahead of the cameras . Many times cameramen were targeted with rifle , machinegun & artilery fire . They suffered the dangers , hunger , lack of water , sandstorms , quicksand on river crossings and insects , the same as Villa’s fighters .
               
              In February 1914 , Mutual planned to make a fiction film about Pancho Villa , titled “The Life of General Villa” , with Villa playing himself . One of the most famous directors in film history D.W. Griffith was the director and Raoul Walsh was to play the young Villa , with latter to be famous actors Mae Marsh and Robert Harron also in movie . The actual filming of the horrible battle for the important railway & agriculture center of Torreon was used in the movie . The entire campaign lasted for almost a month and the actual battle lasted for 11 days and finally ended on April 2 , 1914 . At points during the campaign the cameramen were under fire for 15 days , ate only tortillas for 12 days and went with out food & water for thirty hours .
               
              Yes these “Hollywood folks” rode with and filmed Villa and they became famous !
               
            • monroesilver
              There were many “foreign born mercenaries” who fought with Pancho Villa during the early phases of the Mexican Revolution of 1910 to 1920 . Many fought in
              Message 6 of 12 , Jun 7, 2012
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                There were many “foreign born mercenaries” who fought with Pancho Villa during the early phases of the Mexican Revolution of 1910 to 1920 . Many fought in several “turn of the century” wars , all over the world . Some already had a “famous reputation” as mercenaries , when they fought with Villa , but many went on to other adventures and became more famous over their careers as mercenaries .
                 
                I shall simply list a few by name and encourage reading about these men online , by searching they out by name . Their stories of adventures & wars fought in , have filled books . There were many more , but here are some that achieved fame & legend by “riding & fighting with Pancho Villa” !
                 
                Emil Holmdahl , Sam Drebel , Tracy Richardson , Edward (or Edwin) “Tex” O’Rielly , Guisseppi Garibaldi .
                 
                There are more names that I hope other members will bring to our attention .
              • kenneth simon
                What about Tom Mix???most references cite with a nift imagination.     Ken el Simon Simon Ej. del Sur ________________________________ From: monroesilver
                Message 7 of 12 , Jun 8, 2012
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                  What about Tom Mix???most references cite with a nift imagination.
                   
                   
                  Ken "el Simon" Simon Ej. del Sur

                  From: monroesilver <monroesilver@...>
                  To: MexicanRevolution@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 1:57 PM
                  Subject: RE: [MexicanRevolution] Re: Famous Folks Who Claim To Have Ridden With Pancho Villa

                   
                  There were many “foreign born mercenaries” who fought with Pancho Villa during the early phases of the Mexican Revolution of 1910 to 1920 . Many fought in several “turn of the century” wars , all over the world . Some already had a “famous reputation” as mercenaries , when they fought with Villa , but many went on to other adventures and became more famous over their careers as mercenaries .
                   
                  I shall simply list a few by name and encourage reading about these men online , by searching they out by name . Their stories of adventures & wars fought in , have filled books . There were many more , but here are some that achieved fame & legend by “riding & fighting with Pancho Villa” !
                   
                  Emil Holmdahl , Sam Drebel , Tracy Richardson , Edward (or Edwin) “Tex” O’Rielly , Guisseppi Garibaldi .
                   
                  There are more names that I hope other members will bring to our attention .


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