Cleaning up the mess...
- --- In Maury_and_Baty@yahoogroups.com, "w_w_c_l" <w_w_c_l@y...> wrote:
>For example, this, in the PreacherFiles:
> I expect it's going to take a while for all of this to be edited out
> of the websites of young-earth promoters and churches around the
An Important Announcement From Apologetics Press:
As Keith might say, "Whot a mess!"
- Wow, sin in the camp and a cover-up. Scripture says to confess your
sins....not just confess you HAVE sinned.
--- In Maury_and_Baty@yahoogroups.com, rlbaty@w... wrote:
> Longtime director of Apologetics Press fired
> By Bobby Ross Jr.
> The Christian Chronicle
> June 21, 2005
> Apologetics Press, the Montgomery, Ala.-based church organization that
> has waged a quarter-century battle against atheism and the theory of
> evolution, has fired its longtime director, Bert Thompson, amid
> allegations of sexual misconduct.
> Interim executive director Dave Miller said the organization, which has
> a $1 million annual budget, intends to proceed "undaunted by Satan."
> "We are deeply grateful for Dr. Thompson's longstanding warfare against
> the sinister doctrine of evolution, with his eloquent affirmation of the
> biblical account of Creation," Miller wrote in an open letter to
> Apologetics Press supporters.
> "Truth is truth, even if those who defend it eventually succumb to
> personal sin," Miller wrote.
> In a separate letter, elders of the Palm Beach Lakes church, West Palm
> Beach, Fla., urged friends of Apologetics Press to stand behind the
> organization. That congregation had overseen Thompson and Apologetics
> Press for 18 months and will maintain an advisory role.
> "We implore you to increase your financial and moral support to A.P. for
> the next two years then make an evaluation," the elders wrote. "We are
> confident the Lord will bring unparalleled results through the new
> leadership, its renewed focus and its amazingly talented staff."
> The board of Apologetics Press fired Thompson, 55, its executive
> director for 26 years, at a May 24 meeting.
> Among those who attended were his wife, Rhonda, elders from supporting
> congregations and his minister, Frank Chesser of the Panama Street
> church, Montgomery. Chesser declined an interview request.
> Miller said the confrontation followed an investigation by Apologetics
> Press staff members and other interested individuals.
> "We didn't lay anything out on the table," Miller said, referring to
> specific instances of wrongdoing. "We just said, 'We now have knowledge
> of multiple incidents involving a number of individuals.'"
> At that time, Thompson confessed his sins and asked for forgiveness,
> according to those present. At his church the next night, he responded
> to the invitation and again asked for forgiveness.
> CHURCH MEMBER SAYS HE'S A VICTIM
> A 36-year-old church member, who grew up in Alabama, said he was among
> alleged victims who gave statements to the investigators.
> The member, who preferred not to be identified publicly, told the
> Chronicle that Thompson started sending him cards and letters when he
> was 13, then pressed him to go out to dinner after he turned 16, the
> legal age of consent in Alabama.
> At the meal, Thompson invited the teen to go home with him and watch a
> movie, the member said. Thompson's family was not home, and the member
> said Thompson lured him to a bedroom, disrobed and touched him
> inappropriately. The member said he later met two other young men who
> told of similar experiences with Thompson.
> The member voiced concerns that church leaders who gathered evidence
> against Thompson wanted to keep the accusations quiet.
> He said one minister told him, "He didn't molest Methodists. He didn't
> molest Baptists. He didn't molest atheists. And we intend to keep it in
> the church." (The minister who allegedly made that statement declined to
> But the member said the accusations needed to be made public to allow
> more victims to come forward.
> "We don't know if he just molested church of Christ kids," he said.
> "This guy was all over the country."
> In an "Open Letter to the Brotherhood" dated May 25, Thompson wrote,
> "For some time now, I have been struggling with some personal sins in my
> life, and as a result it was obvious ... that I no longer was the best
> choice to lead the work forward for the next quarter of a century."
> When contacted by the Chronicle about the firing, Thompson referred all
> questions to Apologetics Press. "That's something between them and me,
> and it's a very personal matter," he said, and declined to comment
> Rhonda Thompson, his wife of 33 years, said the couple is divorcing.
> "You can safely say we're devastated," she said.
> But she said she remains supportive of Apologetics Press, describing its
> work as "vital to the church, and I beg the brotherhood to continue to
> support it."
> GRAND JURY DECLINED TO BRING CHARGES
> The recently uncovered accusations were not the first. A year and a half
> ago, no charges were brought after a grand jury in Montgomery County
> heard accusations of inappropriate sexual contact by Thompson with a
> 17-year-old boy, Miller said.
> While that case ended with no legal action, the Eastern Meadows church,
> withdrew as the overseeing congregation for Apologetics Press. The
> Thompsons, the Millers and three other families associated with
> Apologetics Press left that congregation, Miller said.
> But the Eastern Meadows church continued to contribute "a fairly large
> sum of money" to Apologetics Press, Miller said.
> "We had information about the allegations," said Ted Norton, an Eastern
> Meadows elder.
> "We were not in a position to know whether they were true or not. We as
> individuals had our own personal feelings, but we did not have evidence
> so to speak."
> To many, Thompson was the face of Apologetics Press - the outspoken
> creationist who delighted in sparring with those with whom he
> The Abilene Christian University alumnus made national news in the
> mid-1980s when he accused ACU biology professors of teaching evolution
> and making light of the Genesis account of creation.
> The professors were exonerated after a three-month investigation by
> Another focus of Thompson's books and attacks was John Clayton, a
> Dowagiac, Mich., church member and former atheist who leads "Does God
> Exist?" seminars across the nation.
> CLAYTON SAYS CRISIS CALLS FOR PRAYER
> Thompson took issue with Clayton's views on creation and accused him of
> advocating "theistic evolution," since Clayton suggests the earth cannot
> dogmatically be said to be 6,000 years old.
> "I would have nothing to say about it - except that we need to pray for
> everyone involved, especially the many people who put their faith in
> Bert and will be seriously damaged by what has happened," Clayton said
> of Thompson's firing.
> Last year, Apologetics Press published two articles making a biblical
> case against homosexuality and listing the authors as Brad Harrub,
> Thompson and Miller. Both articles remain on the organization's Web
> site, but references to Thompson as an author have been deleted.
> "I think we just decided to remove those because of the hypocrisy," said
> Miller, indicating that he and Harrub had written 98 percent of the
> original articles.
> Phil Sanders, minister of the Concord Road church, Brentwood, Tenn.,
> said Thompson's work blessed thousands.
> "I will still place a measure of confidence in what he has written,"
> Sanders said, "but I am deeply disappointed that he has permitted this
> sin to enslave him."
- Nelta shares "Wow, sin in the camp and a cover-up. Scripture says to
confess your sins....not just confess you HAVE sinned."
Well Nelta, think of Rob Cook, British Parliamentarian and evolutionist,
buried last week.
Last week the funeral was held of the British Parliamentarian, Robin Cook,
at St. Giles Cathedral, in Scotland.
Inside the ancient stone church, Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, ascended the
pulpit to declare Mr Cook "the greatest parliamentarian of our time".
Richard Holloway, the former Bishop of Edinburgh and a personal friend,
praised his "moral seriousness and flinty integrity" in which Richard forgot
to mention that Rob had a serious drink problem, he was an adulterer in his
second marriage, having left his first wife, and had many affairs - so all
this forgotten history amounts to a man of "moral seriousness and flinty
Margaret Cook, his first wife, had arrived 80 minutes before the service,
accompanied by her partner Robin Howie, and took a seat to the side.
All, however, squirmed in discomfort as John McCririck, the flamboyant
racing commentator, eschewing funereal black for ecclesiastical purple,
shattered the decorum of the occasion by launching an attack on the Prime
He accused Tony Blair of "petty vindictiveness" for refusing to break his
holiday and attend the funeral. Mr McCririck went on to mock the Prime
Minister for "going snorkelling" instead of "doing his duty".
While his comments were greeted by an uncomfortable silence inside the
cathedral, outside, where the service was broadcast by speakers, there was a
spontaneous and sustained applause by the public.
Then maybe Tony did not want to be part of such a shambles?...
Until this point, the focus of the attention of the 700 invited guests had
been the simple wooden coffin, and memories of the man it contained, which
sat in the centre of the cathedral, almost buried under a giant bouquet of
white lilies. Funerals are rarely the setting for revelations, but such was
the style of this service of thanksgiving, which contained readings from
Emile Zola's novel, Germinal, and Mr Cook's own memoir, Point of Departure,
that guests learned more than they might have hoped about the late Mr Cook.
His son Peter revealed that his father insisted on only the finest
ingredients to then incinerate at family barbecues.
Bishop Richard revealed during the service what was already common knowledge
- that Mr Cook was a "devout atheist", before adding that, like Donald
Dewar, he was a "Presbyterian atheist". Richard forgot to mention that Rob
is now a devout believer and creationist - James 2:19 "Thou believest that
there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble".
But a believer without hope - Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized
shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Today we can know that Rob Cook wishes he knew Dr Bert in this world, for it
is too late for Rob in the next.
- --- In Maury_and_Baty@yahoogroups.com, Keith@S... wrote:
> Today we can know that Rob Cook wishes he knewIf what you say about this guy is true, today we can be sure that he is
> Dr Bert in this world, for it is too late for
> Rob in the next.
wishing he had known JESUS in this world, and the Scriptures;
not some false teacher, and a bunch of Apologetics Press hooey.