Re: [M & B] "Christian Chronicle" on Dr. Bert!
- --- Cassondra wrote:
>It is my business because Bert Tthompson is a man who hasMM writes:
>claimed to be representing my Saviour to the lost world.
This describes any who claim to be a Christian.
True, however, each person's representative responsibility is limited by his
role and exposure. So it is that those who choose to teach bear greater
burdens. I would stand against ANY man who committed these acts, and even more so
against one who exalts himself as a public figure and then exploits that
position in order to abuse children.
>His sins, which are apparently both heinous and publicMM:
>enough to bring about his public downfall and lead to public
>discussion, sully the name of Christ and the name of
And the remedy is to discuss it more???
Do you contend the details of every person's sins should be
made public? I disagree! To advertise sin is to tempt
others. Did you call a press conference to detail the sins
in your life? It would be inappropriate.
Thompson sinned against God and against others. Unless I am
among those he sinned against, it is none of my business. Do
you believe that the details of every Christian's sin is
Absolutely the remedy is not only to discuss it more but to act on it. One
of the few enduring charms of an old-fashioned point of view is the
protectionist stance toward women, children, and innocents in general, and I am surprised
that you are not exhibiting it now.
Pedophiles are monsters whose acts destroy the very fabric of society. Their
sins are in no way private, nor are the consequences. Men who so behave
ought to be publicly shamed and humiliated and then put to an immediate death.
The unspeakable danger that they represent to society would thus be eliminated
and the impact on society would be immediate. The recuperative rate of
pedophiles is a statistical zero.
Unfortunately and as was exhibited by the numbers of people in this very case
who knew and did nothing, our society permits these monsters to live and prey
among us, devouring our innocents while we stand idly by. Not a week passes
that a child is not molested, killed, kidnapped, forced to pose for
pornographic pictures, etc., and those are simply the stories that make the news. We as
a culture are creating and feeding these parasites and we must rid ourselves
of them and the filth on which they feed.
If our society ostracized and denounced such creatures, then our children
might be able to walk to the park, play in the yard, sleep in their beds, or chat
with their ministers without forever living under the watchful eye of their
parents. Ha! Not today.
The restitution Thompson owes is likely unpayable. He has
damaged many. There is no grace in being humble for one
already lower than a snakes belly. I know Thompson can be
forgiven. I hope he will be able to find it.
I don't know whether Thompson can be forgiven or not. I do know that God is
willing to give men over to their sins if they so desire, at which point they
have passed beyond his forgiveness. Those who long for lies will find a
delusion to keep them happy. Pedophiles fill their black hearts and souls with sin
long before they ever act, in their obsessive fantasies, their porn, their
furtive glances and their gentle hugs. By the time they act, they have already
destroyed the purity of their heart. By the time they are caught, they have
most often committed the act dozens and dozens of times.
Pedophiles don't quit; they get caught. If Thompson were truly repentant, he
would have himself castrated and then permanently imprisoned. Saying "I'm
sorry" isn't repentance. He's lost everything not because he gave it up, but
because it was taken from him when the truth finally found him out.
If Thompson has done all that, then yeah, maybe God will forgive him. In the
meantime, we have only his fruits to judge him by.
>The apostle Paul had no problem naming sinners and theirThere is difference between naming sinners and naming
>sins publicly and demanding that the church oppose them, and
>neither do I.
penitants. When Paul listed heinous sinners that would receive
punishment, he ended the list by saying 'And such were some
of you' in 1 Cor 6:11. Paul was not opposed to them after
As I've said, I will judge him penitent by the fruits he produces. And
regardless of penitence or not, consequences must be met. One of the consequences
of preying on children is that the world must be made aware that you are a
predator. Silence such as you promote is what makes pedophiles the highly
successful monsters that they are: there's always someone too cowardly or too
priggish to confront them, or else too gullible not to swallow their lies.
Cassondra, I am amazed that you blame Apologetics Press for
Thompson's hidden behavior. When his sin was found out, he
was fired. Why not blame Thompson's wife for not knowing?
I hold accountable any organization who puts a man in a position of power and
then allows him to abuse it, be it Catholic parishes, Boy Scout troops, high
school coaches, whatever. It is plain from the article that there was
sufficient cause to question the man but for reasons of their own, they chose not to
do so, putting their own objectives over the innocence and safety of others.
As for Thompson's wife, she may well be to blame or she may be another
victim. I have no earthly idea, but I do know that both scenarios are possible.
However, his wife is responsible only for giving the man power over herself (and
possibly their children if they have any.) AP is responsible for giving the
man power over a great many more.
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