Re: Sean Boatman Follows Up on the NCG FaceBook Page!
That didn't take long.
My message which was posted to the NCG FaceBook page was quickly deleted and I am now not allowed a post option on that FaceBook page.
My paranoia is acting up. I'm beginning to think that Presuppositionalists AND the cult of Michael W. Jones (aka Kaine Diatheke) really don't like me.
--- In Maury_and_Baty@yahoogroups.com,
"rlbaty50" <rlbaty@...> wrote:
It might be interested to see if Michael W. Jones allows my comment to remain on
the NCG FaceBook page (I previously indicated I was not allowed to post there,
but it appears I had reference to another of his sites and not this particular
From: Robert Baty
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2013
Time: About 3:00 PM MT
Sean Boatman claims above:
- We are saying
- God, therefore reasoning.
That can be logically translated into:
- If God exists,
- then reasoning exists.
- God exists.
- Therefore, reasoning exists.
Nothing strikes me as particularly controversial there; no one is really
disputing the existence of reasoning...are they?
Compare that to how Sean's Presuppositional fellow, Sye Ten Bruggencate, frames
- The proof that God exists
- is that without Him you
- could not reason.
That can be logically translated to:
- If God did not exist,
- then you could not reason.
- You can reason.
- Therefore, God exists.
That's the controversial aspect of Presuppositionalism and the one some
Presuppositionalists now seem to want to run away from having to face; for they
know they can't establish the truth of the first premise except through their
belief in a presupposed proposition that it's true.
That's fine; it just provides NO "proof God exists".
So, the "proof God exists" claim fails and I continue to humbly request that Sye
and his like-minded Presuppositionalists quit trying to make names for
themselves by promoting the notion that they can with a Presupposition "prove
God exists" when such is simply NOT the case.
It might also be worth noting that Joey Livingston, step-son of Michael W. Jones (aka Kaine Diatheke) and the technical brains behind Jones' Internet presence and broadcasts, is still a FaceBook "friend" of mine.
You may recall that Sye Ten Bruggencate recently asked for and was given a "friend" standing on my FaceBook page; though he later cut and ran.
So, it may be that Jones is having his step-son keep an eye on me via his "friend" status.
Who can know what such people are up to with their clandestine operations?
I think I did it again; I have so much trouble keeping the players straight when they don't play straight with me.
I indicated in my earlier message that Joey Livingston was Michael W. Jones' step-son.
Upon further reflection, I think it is the case that he is Michael's biological son but is not the biological son of Michael's current wife and NCG co-founder/co-host Rhonda Jones.
I think it is a matter of public record that Joey is the biological son of Kit White, apparently a former wife of Michael W. Jones (aka Kaine Diatheke).
(But I could even be wrong about one or more of those details!)
Michael has been kinda smug in keeping his personal story secret and I think my queries are what really ticked him off. Apparently he, like so many, is writing a book and we just have to wait for the book to find out what he wants to tell us about all of that; his days as a fundamentalist preacher's boy and a fundamentalist preacher of sorts himself...with a bad experience that helped lead him to where he is today.
Of course, if C.S. McKinney, a Pensacola neighbor of Michael and FaceBook correspondent, does some due diligence, we might find out more sooner.