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Re: Presuppositional Challenge to Sye Ten Bruggencate!

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  • rlbaty50
    Following is a slightly modified version of the challenge so as to include Eric Hovind and which was just published on one of Kent Hovind s FaceBook pages
    Message 1 of 5 , May 11, 2013
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      Following is a slightly modified version of the challenge so as to include Eric Hovind and which was just published on one of Kent Hovind's FaceBook pages where Eric's public showing of Sye's recently released "movie" is being advertised.

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      https://www.facebook.com/drkenthovind

      From: Robert Baty
      Date: Saturday, May 11, 2013
      Time: About 2:40 PM MT

      Presuppositional Challenge
      to Sye Ten Bruggencate, Eric
      Hovind or their Surrogate

      Sye's/Eric's Affirmative Claim

      - "The Proof that God exists is
      - that without Him you couldn't
      - prove anything."

      Sye's/Eric's Implied Argument

      Major Premise:

      - If God did not exist,
      - then you could not
      - prove anything.

      Minor Premise:

      - You can prove something.

      Conclusion:

      - Therefore, God exists.

      Issue #1:

      Do you think the argument is
      so constructed that if its
      premises are true its
      conclusion will follow as
      true therefrom?

      - Sye Ten Bruggencate: Yes
      - Eric Hovind: Yes
      - Robert Baty: Yes

      Issue #2:

      Do you think the minor premise
      is true?

      - Sye Ten Bruggencate: Yes
      - Eric Hovind: Yes
      - Robert Baty: Yes

      Issue #3:

      Do you think the major premise
      is true?

      - Sye Ten Bruggencate: Yes
      - Eric Hovind: Yes
      - Robert Baty: No

      Challenge for Sye/Eric or Their
      Surrogate:

      - Present your affirmative rationale
      - for your conclusion that the major
      - premise is true and why others
      - should accept the truth of the
      - major premise, thereby "proving
      - God exists".

      Challenge for Robert Baty:

      - Accept the above affirmative as
      - supporting the truth of the major
      - premise and "proving God exists,
      - or offer a rebuttal.

      Challenge for Both:

      - Negotiate the logistical details
      - and other matters necessary to
      - produce the above proposed
      - exchange as between Sye Ten
      - Bruggencate, Eric Hovind or their
      - Surrogate and Robert Baty.

      Status:

      Robert Baty is waiting for Sye, Eric
      or their Surrogate to engage in the
      negotiations for the production
      of the proposed exchange.

      Please send replies via email to:

      Maury_and_Baty@yahoogroups.com

      Sincerely,
      Robert Baty
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Maury_and_Baty/

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    • rlbaty50
      I just picked up on who is behind the Cross Encounters Blog.Talk Radio show that Sye is going to be guest on tomorrow:
      Message 2 of 5 , May 11, 2013
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        I just picked up on who is behind the Cross Encounters Blog.Talk Radio show that Sye is going to be guest on tomorrow:

        http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cross-encounters

        - Cross Encounters
        -
        - Cross Encounters, hosted by Tony Miano,
        - is a live, fast-paced, and informative
        - show about theology, evangelism, and
        - current events.
        -
        - http://www.crossencounters.us
        - http://www.twitter.com/tonymiano
        - http://www.facebook.com/crossencounters

        Tony, from my limited experience, does that street preachin' thing Sye does; only Tony is much more caustic and obnoxious than Sye.

        Tony, as I recall, has a bunch of YouTubes of his street preachin' as does Sye.

        See also:

        http://tmiano.com/

        Tony Miano

        Tony Miano is a retired, twenty-year veteran of the
        Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department (1987-2007).

        During his time in law enforcement, Tony served as a
        gang investigator, field training officer, drug
        recognition expert, and a DUI enforcement specialist.

        Tony's law enforcement experience includes three days
        of chaos, during the 1992 Los Angeles riots, as well
        as being on duty only a few miles away from the
        epicenter when the 1994 Northridge Earthquake
        devastated the greater Los Angeles area.

        During his career, Tony received more than 60
        commendations and citations for meritorious service,
        arrests, criminal investigations, critical
        decision-making, and community service.

        In 1996, Tony was named "Deputy of the Year" for the
        City of Santa Clarita (CA).

        Tony was also a recipient of the Mothers Against
        Drunk Drivers "Centurion Award," for apprehending
        more than 100 drunk drivers in a 12-month period.

        Tony served as a chaplain for the Los Angeles County
        Sheriff's Department from 2000 to 2008.

        From 2002 to 2008, he served as the founder and
        director of Ten-Four Ministries, whose mission is
        to bring practical and spiritual support to the
        law enforcement community.

        He currently serves as an advisor to the ministry.

        From 2008 to mid-2012, Tony served as Living Waters'
        Director of the Ambassadors'Alliance, as well as the
        Director of Conferences and Special Projects.

        Tony's service with Living Waters included the
        supervision of 20 Ambassador's Academies (the
        ministry's 3 1/2-day evangelism training program),
        conferences, State Representative system, and
        large-scale evangelism projects.

        Tony also wrote and co-hosted almost 400 episodes
        of Living Waters' live, web-based program, "On the
        Box, with Ray Comfort."

        Tony is the author of the book, "Take Up The Shield"
        (Genesis Publishing Group, 2005).

        Tony is a prolific writer, having maintained several
        personal blogs, as well as writing for several other
        ministry blogs, websites, and newsletters.

        Currently, Tony's writing is featured on the Cross
        Encounters blog (www.CrossEncounters.us).

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      • rlbaty50
        (I left off the final comments about Tony Miano from that website. Here is an excerpt of what was left off. - RLBaty) http://tmiano.com/ ... rlbaty50
        Message 3 of 5 , May 11, 2013
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          (I left off the final comments about Tony Miano from that website. Here is an excerpt of what was left off. - RLBaty)

          http://tmiano.com/

          > Presently, Tony is...an itinerant
          > preacher and open-air evangelist.

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          --- In Maury_and_Baty@yahoogroups.com,
          "rlbaty50" <rlbaty@...> wrote:

          I just picked up on who is behind the Cross Encounters Blog.Talk Radio show that
          Sye is going to be guest on tomorrow:

          http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cross-encounters

          - Cross Encounters
          -
          - Cross Encounters, hosted by Tony Miano,
          - is a live, fast-paced, and informative
          - show about theology, evangelism, and
          - current events.
          -
          - http://www.crossencounters.us
          - http://www.twitter.com/tonymiano
          - http://www.facebook.com/crossencounters

          Tony, from my limited experience, does that street preachin' thing Sye does;
          only Tony is much more caustic and obnoxious than Sye.

          Tony, as I recall, has a bunch of YouTubes of his street preachin' as does Sye.

          See also:

          http://tmiano.com/

          Tony Miano

          Tony Miano is a retired, twenty-year veteran of the
          Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department (1987-2007).

          During his time in law enforcement, Tony served as a
          gang investigator, field training officer, drug
          recognition expert, and a DUI enforcement specialist.

          Tony's law enforcement experience includes three days
          of chaos, during the 1992 Los Angeles riots, as well
          as being on duty only a few miles away from the
          epicenter when the 1994 Northridge Earthquake
          devastated the greater Los Angeles area.

          During his career, Tony received more than 60
          commendations and citations for meritorious service,
          arrests, criminal investigations, critical
          decision-making, and community service.

          In 1996, Tony was named "Deputy of the Year" for the
          City of Santa Clarita (CA).

          Tony was also a recipient of the Mothers Against
          Drunk Drivers "Centurion Award," for apprehending
          more than 100 drunk drivers in a 12-month period.

          Tony served as a chaplain for the Los Angeles County
          Sheriff's Department from 2000 to 2008.

          From 2002 to 2008, he served as the founder and
          director of Ten-Four Ministries, whose mission is
          to bring practical and spiritual support to the
          law enforcement community.

          He currently serves as an advisor to the ministry.

          From 2008 to mid-2012, Tony served as Living Waters'
          Director of the Ambassadors'Alliance, as well as the
          Director of Conferences and Special Projects.

          Tony's service with Living Waters included the
          supervision of 20 Ambassador's Academies (the
          ministry's 3 1/2-day evangelism training program),
          conferences, State Representative system, and
          large-scale evangelism projects.

          Tony also wrote and co-hosted almost 400 episodes
          of Living Waters' live, web-based program, "On the
          Box, with Ray Comfort."

          Tony is the author of the book, "Take Up The Shield"
          (Genesis Publishing Group, 2005).

          Tony is a prolific writer, having maintained several
          personal blogs, as well as writing for several other
          ministry blogs, websites, and newsletters.

          Currently, Tony's writing is featured on the Cross
          Encounters blog (www.CrossEncounters.us).

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