Re: SBC Voices and the chatter on the FFRF IRC 107 Challenge!
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- (Selected additional postings! - RLBaty)
From: Chris Roberts
Date: September 4, 2012
While I do not think a solid legal argument can be raised
for why this exception should be perpetually continued for
ministers, I do think it's an exception that can be granted
on the basis of the will of the people.
In the past, the people wanted this exception because of
appreciation for the work and office of the minister.
I would like that appreciation to continue.
One of the sad indictments of our nation is that people's
views of the church, and those who serve her, have plummeted.
We've brought some of this on ourselves through various
scandals and abuses, and some of it is due to the overall
decline of the spiritual condition of the nation.
Should the courts rule to strike down the exception, it
would be a sad indictment for the nation, not because the
nation has done something wrong or unfair to the ministers
(it wouldn't be wrong or unfair) but because the nation
has become so pagan, has turned so far from Christianity,
that she has no desire to help those who have done so much
for so many on matters of far greater significance than
education or healthcare or national security, etc.
As for you being Church of Christ, I don't suppose you
mean United Church of Christ, one of the most pagan groups
currently operating in America?
From: Robert Baty
Date: September 4, 2012
I am looking forward to the Courts resolving our difference
regarding the legal merits of the law.
It can't come too soon to please me.
As with so many issues, folks can express their appreciation
in many ways but, arguably, when they try to use the power
of Government to do so (e.g., via IRC 107) they can run
afoul of the Constitution.
Ruling IRC 107 is UNconstitutional will not be such as you
suggest, but that is a secondary/tertiary issue/consequence
we might also fuss about; maybe when you make your appearance
at my place as one here to requite my efforts here.
No one else has showed up yet.
No, it isn't United Church of Christ. It is "Church of Christ"
as might be commonly associated with Pepperdine, Harding,
Alexander Campbell, etc., etc., etc.!
From: Peter Reilly
Date: September 4, 2012
I am Reverend Thornton's friend at forbes.com.
I write about this mainly from reading court cases.
I have had guest posts from a retired IRS agent who is
outraged about Pepperdine University's basketball ministers,
Andrew Seidel of FFRF, to whom I gave a bit of a hard time,
and Rev. Thornton who defenced the allowance as a modest
It would be nice if a couple of you would put your comments
on forbes.com instead of preaching to the choir.
Reverned Thornton and I were both kind of outraged at Phil
Driscoll who was excluding 200k for his second home.
From: Robert Baty
Date: September 4, 2012
(Your comment is awaiting moderation.)
I was an "auditor" for a few years and then spent a little
over 20 years as an "appeals officer". I was never an "agent".
For those who might be interested, you can find an example
of my IRS work at (starting at the bottom of page 6):
I also encourage the folks here to "get out" a bit and offer
some comments over at Forbes in response to your column(s);
as well as my place where I have a light on for them at: