I gave Buff an honorary membership to this little list and asked him to
cross-post his discussion with Todd here. He indicates he sends his
"Rumblings" to 1500 or so, so maybe he will oblige.
Until he puts this list on his routing schedule, I offer the following
response from one of the other lists (looks like Buff already has his
exit strategy marked out):
Message 11460 of 11461
From: "Buff, The Reformer"
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 6:40 pm
Subject: Todd Greene's Sentiments on Biblical Testimony
I have visited your Web site to some extent, and I have lifted the
following quotations for the purpose of making a few comments and asking
a few questions in relation to our potential dialogue on the general
subject of creation vs.
evolution, and the Grand Canyon. Note, please, that I said "potential
dialogue." For if there develops no meaningful dialogue between us on
these subjects, it will be because I perceive you as rebuffing heaven's
testimony regarding---in particular---creation as described in Genesis 1
For it would be futile to involve ourselves in a discussion of biblical
proportions if either one of us dismisses the biblical evidence.
I have little sufferance for this sort of thing. I am utterly convinced,
based on heaven's
witness---the scriptures---that the Earth and universe were created in
six solar days, as detailed in Genesis 1, and that the global flood, as
chronicled in Genesis 6-8, occurred. I not only believe in the biblical
account and consider
it evidence, but I also believe scientific creation provides ample
Having noted all of that, if our dialogue does not materialize, based
upon the above reasons, I will do another column on the subjects at hand
to share with my 1,500 readers who subscribe to my "Reformation
In said column, I will use as a backdrop all or some of your remarks
that were posted to the "Berean," "GospoelAdvocating," and
"KnowingGodsWay" discussion lists. I will not, of course, quote you out
And now for some of your statements on your Web site :
1) "I was raised to believe in creationism, and I believed it. But my
study of the issues relevant to creationism led me to reject it."
Buff's Comment & Question : What part of Genesis 1 don't you accept? How
do you understand "create"? Assuming God did not create the Earth and
Universe in six solar days, as you allege, do you believe He had the
power to create both in six solar days? Do you, to any extent, limit His
2) "Here I present my perspective on creationism as one who used to be a
creationist, and who continues to believe now, just as I did then, that
truth-seeking really is more important than your personal religious
Buff's Comments and Questions : My "personal religious beliefs" are
founded in heaven's revelations. Are your "personal religious beliefs"
founded in heaven's revelations? Or, is there a possibility you are
basing your primary
beliefs in the conceptions of man's wisdom?
3) "If You Can't Stand The Truth, Don't Pretend To Be A Truth-Seeker!"
Buff's Comments and Questions : Is there a possibility your conceptions
of "truth" on some or all of these matters are faulty? In other words,
can you be mistaken in your hypothesis on any of these matters? How do
you understand the following biblical pronouncement?
"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command,
so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible" (Heb. 11:3).
Do you attribute your "findings" and "evidence" to the Creator of our
universe? In closing this post, I'll lift a quotation of mine from my
own Web site.
"We stand in awe of the infinite power of God as He mobilizes and
activates all the stars and governs all the galaxies that sprinkle the
night's sky. I take it to be as great a wonder that he should even know
that such insignificant
creatures as we humans exist. And we live and enjoy His bounties in our
tiny dimension or 'microscopic world' because of His express decree! The
heavens obey His every command. Without His oversight, there would be
utter chaos among the galaxies and in the universe at large."
"Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array"
(Genesis 1:31). "And these are but the outer fringe of his works" (Job