Re: Todd Greene vs Jerry McDonald
- Todd, you wrote, in part:
> Jerry McDonald is requested toThe address for that new group is:
> join the new "YoungEarthCreationism"
I hope that Jerry takes you up on the offer and proceeds in good faith to work on the discussion there regarding the evidence of age as it relates to possibly falsifying the "young-earth" position that "nothing is more than a few thousand years old".
Todd, your proposal appears to be a reasonable, good faith compromise in order to further work towards producing the proposed discussion.
As you have indicated, the new list will allow only for you and Jerry to proceed in producing the proposed discussion.
As I asked in a recent post here, "why"...
Why wouldn't Jerry McDonald accept your offer if he has a serious interest in scientifically testing, against your opposition, his fundamental claim that "nothing is more than a few thousand years old"??
From: Todd S. Greene
Subject: Re: Todd Greene vs Jerry McDonald
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:03 PM
I'm reversing myself. I have created a new discussion group online:
Later on I will open up the group to open membership. However,
intially, and until we are done, the group will have only two members:
Jerry McDonald and myself. This is the for the purpose of
accommodating Jerry McDonald's request that no one be allowed to
participate in the discussion between him and me on the antiquity of
By the way, I didn't mention this in my previous post on this, but due
to David Goldsmith's misstatement, here I reiterate, for the umpteenth
time, the clarification that this debate is NOT about the earth's age.
In regard to young earth creationism the issue is NOT about the
earth's age. In regard to young earth creationism the issue is whether
or not the earth has been in existence significantly longer than the
young earth creationist religious belief that the Earth was created
about 6,000 years ago.
Analogously, if two people were having an argument about whether or
not a particular road they were driving on was only about 6 miles
long, or longer, then even if the person arguing that the road is
longer than 6 miles doesn't even have a clue how long the road is, as
long as he can establish that the road is at least, say, 14 miles
long, then he has disproved the contention that the road is only about
6 miles long.
In the same way, relevant information from geological science that
shows that the earth has been in existence at least, say, 100,000 (one
hundred thousand) years proves that young earth creationism is wrong,
regardless of how old the earth is. I mention this particularly
because young earth creationists frequently try to change the subject
to a discussion about the subject of how geologists have determined
the age of the earth. But that is not what the discussion is about.
The discussion is about young earth creationism's notion that the
earth didn't exist more than about 6,000 years ago being known to be
wrong by what we have learned about the earth through scientific
examination of the earth.
Jerry McDonald is requested to join the new "YoungEarthCreationism"
group, per his "challenge" to me (which is, by the way, actually MY
challenge to him I made several months ago, which he previously ran
away from because he was determined to change the subject and debate
evolution instead of the antiquity of the earth and the antiquity of
the universe; he also previously stated that he refused to engage in
such debate as a written debate but would only do it as an oral
debate, with me traveling to Missouri where he lives, which I agreed
to do; apparently, and I emphasize *apparently*, he is now willing to
engage in this debate in a written format).
- Todd Greene
cc: Jerry McDonald
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