## Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

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• People may be different and have different perspectives, but horses don t. Just a question of semantics, as Charles says you just don t see it . ... From:
Message 1 of 154 , Feb 18, 2013
People may be different and have different perspectives, but horses don't.  Just a question of semantics, as Charles says you just don't see it .
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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

Because all people are different and have different perspectives.

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:18 PM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

How do you not see it?

Charles

From: Rossin, Keria [mailto:krossin@...]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:07 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

I think we are splitting hairs here.  Can we agree to disagree?

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:06 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

You have set up a bubble that the horse cant enter.  The size doesnt matter.  You are doing exactly what you said you arent.  Do you see that?

Charles

From: Rossin, Keria [mailto:krossin@...]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 8:24 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

There is standing close then there is standing on top of you. Do you understand the difference?  If you have a friend and they are standing close to you or slightly touching you that is one thing.  If they are leaning on you and moving you off your feet that is something else.  That is not up close and personal, that is invasive.

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:31 PM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

You use the personal space bubble.  A few moments after saying you dont, you say If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

Charles

From: Rossin, Keria [mailto:krossin@...]
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:34 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Aggressive horse

I totally agree. I have never used the personal space bubble either.  I like my horses up close and personal.  They are allowed to stand next to me as close as they want.  If they crowd me, I nudge them over, the same as I would do with a person who is too close to me.  My horses dont trample me, run over me, step on my feet.  IF they decide to walk faster than me back to the barn because its feeding time, we stop as many times as it takes for them to get the idea that they walk with me or behind me, not in front of me.  Horses are smart.  They learn how to be respectful without gadgets.  They are also very empathic.  Its a matter of energy.  Think about where your energy is  are you afraid?  Do you feel threatened?  Or do you feel comfortable?

What Colin says rings true. Dont trust someones opinions just because they have more experience than you do.  They are not always right.  Trust your gut.  If you think someone has it wrong about your horse, then they do.  And that includes farriers, vets, trainers, friends, relatives.

k

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cob4cob@...
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:14 PM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Aggressive horse

I would largely agree with what you've written, however, I would say that sometimes when you are just setting out on your horsemanship journey, or, you aren't that experienced around horses that are known to 'misbehave' it can still be very threatening, and the temptation to respond in kind, or with some sort of 'tool' can be very great..... We must always remember that the survival instinct is just as great in humans as it is in horses, and that survival instinct sometimes makes us act in ways that we may later (as our experience and techniques grow) regret, or wish we hadn't done. What sometimes makes our responses worse is the fact that there are still a lot of experienced horse(wo)men who see violence towards horses as acceptable, and if they tell you that the horse should be punished, or that the horse's energy should be met with equal energy plus four ounces, who are you to disagree? After all, they're the experienced ones, the horsepeople, and you might know no better.

As your experience grows then you can learn the 'secrets' of controlling horses with just energy and body language, and as you rightly point out horses accept this form of control without acrimony, because it often reflects their own methods of communication.

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• Or you don t see it. And on that note I am going to end this conversation because it is turning kind of nasty. Regards Kerai From:
Message 154 of 154 , Feb 19, 2013

Or you don’t see it.

And on that note I am going to end this conversation because it is turning kind of nasty.

Regards

Kerai

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy or MaryAnne
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:11 PM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

People may be different and have different perspectives, but horses don't.  Just a question of semantics, as Charles says you just don't see it .

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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:30 AM

Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

Because all people are different and have different perspectives.

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:18 PM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

How do you not see it?

Charles

From: Rossin, Keria [mailto:krossin@...]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:07 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

I think we are splitting hairs here.  Can we agree to disagree?

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:06 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

You have set up a bubble that the horse can’t enter.  The size doesn’t matter.  You are doing exactly what you said you aren’t.  Do you see that?

Charles

From: Rossin, Keria [mailto:krossin@...]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 8:24 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

There is standing close then there is standing on top of you…. Do you understand the difference?  If you have a friend and they are standing close to you or slightly touching you that is one thing.  If they are leaning on you and moving you off your feet that is something else.  That is not up close and personal, that is invasive.

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:31 PM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] bubble vs If they crowd me, I nudge them over,

You use the “personal space” bubble.  A few moments after saying you don’t, you say “If they crowd me, I nudge them over,”

Charles

From: Rossin, Keria [mailto:krossin@...]
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:34 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Aggressive horse

I totally agree. I have never used the ‘personal space’ bubble either.  I like my horses up close and personal.  They are allowed to stand next to me as close as they want.  If they crowd me, I nudge them over, the same as I would do with a person who is too close to me.  My horses don’t trample me, run over me, step on my feet.  IF they decide to walk faster than me back to the barn because it’s feeding time, we stop as many times as it takes for them to get the idea that they walk with me or behind me, not in front of me.  Horses are smart.  They learn how to be respectful without gadgets.  They are also very empathic.  It’s a matter of energy.  Think about where your energy is – are you afraid?  Do you feel threatened?  Or do you feel comfortable?

What Colin says rings true…. Don’t trust someone’s opinions just because they have more experience than you do.  They are not always right.  Trust your gut.  If you think someone has it wrong about your horse, then they do.  And that includes farriers, vets, trainers, friends, relatives.

k

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cob4cob@...
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:14 PM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Aggressive horse

I would largely agree with what you've written, however, I would say that sometimes when you are just setting out on your horsemanship journey, or, you aren't that experienced around horses that are known to 'misbehave' it can still be very threatening, and the temptation to respond in kind, or with some sort of 'tool' can be very great..... We must always remember that the survival instinct is just as great in humans as it is in horses, and that survival instinct sometimes makes us act in ways that we may later (as our experience and techniques grow) regret, or wish we hadn't done. What sometimes makes our responses worse is the fact that there are still a lot of experienced horse(wo)men who see violence towards horses as acceptable, and if they tell you that the horse should be punished, or that the horse's energy should be met with equal energy plus four ounces, who are you to disagree? After all, they're the experienced ones, the horsepeople, and you might know no better.

As your experience grows then you can learn the 'secrets' of controlling horses with just energy and body language, and as you rightly point out horses accept this form of control without acrimony, because it often reflects their own methods of communication.

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