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Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] I could use some advice, please.

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    I never thought that she might have been trick trained. I don t know where she spent the first two years of her life but the last two have been with a herd of
    Message 1 of 33 , Jul 1, 2010
      I never thought that she might have been trick trained. 
      I don't know where she spent the first two years of her life but the last two have been with a herd of about 30 other horses. I was told that she was purchased for kids who quickly lost interest in her as they wanted to ride the bigger horses.
      Yesterday afternoon my husband and I went to try on a bridle I had made for her.  She seemed to be in a highly agitated mood.  (We found the bottom 2 lines of fence had been broken.  One was wire and one was polytape.  No idea what caused that.  Maybe someone rolled too close to the fence. ???  Also, the neighbors were causing a lot of commotion with chain saws and backhoes on the other side of the fence.)
      We put her in the round pen but she wanted no part of the bridle fitting deal.  Kept rearing up. She's may be only 13.2 hh but when she pulls that crap she might as well be 17hh.  I ended the session by just walking her around the pen a few times and talking to her.  It didn't seem to calm her down at all.
      I will be watching Marv's video about rearing horses today.
      Anyway, a bit later my daughter stopped by to see her.  She came up with Reo but had no interest in any attention from us.  She kept Reo (our 8 y.o. gelding)  between us and her then she nudged him away (kind of funny to watch) until she got him at the furthest end of the pasture away from us.
      Seems to me that everything is on her terms.  Sometimes she will walk up to us then a few minutes later she won't come near. Then we might be able to walk up to her but in the next few minutes if we walk up to her she'll bolt.  My friend described her as "running hot and cold".  That's pretty much sums it up. 
      We just got her on Sat. but each day that goes by she seems to get progressively more agitated and standoffish about contact with us.  I never know what to expect from her one minute to the next.  Reo is her security blanket.
      Tomorrow I have nothing on my schedule so I was thinking I'd put her in the round pen and leave her there and go in every couple of hours and fuss with her.  Would this help or hurt?  Or, any other suggestions?
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      Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:47 AM
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      The situation sounded like Spot, the pointer mix we adopted. At every treat time he offered his paw, and if you didn't reward him fast enough, he offered the other one. Sometimes he just offered his paw as a "How about a treat?" gesture. Found out later he was trained to give his paw.

      On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:51 PM, <lindonontime@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

      I agree with the spoiling. I also think she was trick trained. My Morgan is. Took me a bit to figure out I was cuing him.
       Take your time with her. watch her just interacting with the other horses. Sounds to me like she was offering friendship in the pasture.
       It is not a contest. Just let it happen. 2 beings that don't speak the same language trying to understand. Sounds like you are both working at it!
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      Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:01 PM
      Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] I could use some advice, please.


      I think you need to find out what kind of training she has had. She may not know what you want of her.
      Some people spoil ponies and small horses and don't realize how dangerous that can be for someone who doesn't know the horse.
      Also, about lifting her front leg...she may have been trick trained and you inadvertently gave her a cue, or so she thought!

      On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:53 AM, keyes <keyes@zoominternet. net> wrote:

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      Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:07 AM
      Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] I could use some advice, please.


      At 07:32 AM 6/30/2010, you wrote:

      I'm fairly new to horse owning, training, etc. although I've been around horses and horse people for years and I'm not completely ignorant even though I have a lot to learn. I have a pile of Marv's videos. Damn he makes it look easy. :)

      We have an 8 year old gelding, Reo. He's a lovable goof. We just added Gypsy on Sat. She's a 4 year old pony, 13.2 hands, big enough for me to ride as I'm on the small, short side. She and Reo immediately hit it off when introduced. No issues at all.

      She rides beautifully although I detect that she's doing it reluctantly, not enjoying the process at all. I've only ridden her at the farm we bought her from, not here at home yet.

      She's very standoffish. If Reo didn't come running every time we went into the pasture she wouldn't come at all.

      She's gotten better (not great) about letting me walk up to her but mostly she'd prefer to be left alone.

      I put her in the round pen Mon. evening. Immediately she took off at a trot. I switched directions on her a few times. When I let her stop she wouldn't come in to me so I sent her off again. She still wouldn't come in to the center to me. I went and got her and brought her in. Was that the wrong thing to do?

      As long as neither of you get hurt, nothing is the wrong thing to do.  People
      sometimes think the object of the Bonder is to get the horse to come into you
      or follow you.  The object of the bonder is to learn how to communicate with
      the horse and improve the horse human relationship.  ANY improvement makes
      the session a success.  Coming into you and following are simply by products
      of an improved relationship.

      I'm going to take what you said as being what literally happened.  She took off
      at a trot, you switched her directions a few times, when you let her stop she
      wouldn't come into you.  Sounds like a five minute session in which you chased
      her around and then expected her to accept you as a leader.

      Try it again.  This time be as low-keyed and unconcerned as you can and simply
      give her directions until she is matter of factly doing what you tell her and
      seems to be paying attention to you.  Don't let either of you get all sweated
      up.  Then when you stop her go to her and just stand there with her for awhile
      then casually move away picturing her following you in your mind.

      Marv "I don't make it look easy, it is easy.  Humans make it look hard." Walker

      The session was about 20 minutes until the rock issue.  But, now that I think about it, I think you're right when you said, "Sounds like a five minute session in which you chased her around and then expected her to accept you as a leader."  I just came in from the pasture and lo and behold, Gypsy was the first one to walk over to me.  I petted her and Reo a few minutes then went off to check water, etc.  On my way out I stopped and petted her again and told her all about the sucky day I'm going to have today when I noticed she had her front leg up, pointed outward and poised to strike.  At least it seemed like that to me.  I sternly said, "Knock that off!" and she put it down, picked up the other one and I said, "NO!".  She put it down.  I really needed to get back here to the house to catch a phone call but decided if I walked away at that point she'd think she had intimidated me.  I went and got the brush and brushed her a few minutes, staying out of kick range.  I know you can only go by what I tell you but was I making too much out of the leg thing or was that an aggressive move?
      I'll put her in the round pen this evening and make it more relaxed and low key. 
      Another thing I've noticed about her is that once the lead rope is on she is much more compliant but I still sense the reluctancey in her.


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      Adele! Great story! You should post more! Rhonda
      Message 33 of 33 , Jul 2, 2010
        Adele!  Great story!  You should post more!


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