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RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] A point about horse breeds - hardship?

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  • April Garner
    Dot told me the Appy Association would have taken Bub (aka Powder) as a hardship but I never looked into it. April in OK ________________________________
    Message 1 of 37 , Nov 1, 2007
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      Dot told me the Appy Association would have taken Bub (aka Powder) as a “hardship” but I never looked into it.


      April in OK


      From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Charles
      Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:34 PM
      To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] A point about horse breeds - hardship?


      I don’t know any associations that allow “hardship cases”.  I know for the Irish Draught, you’d better have those papers and pass inspection or you can’t claim to be selling an RID.  There was a time when some undocumented mares were allowed to breed, but that has been long over.



      From: MarvWalkerHorses@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: MarvWalkerH orses@yahoogroup s.com ] On Behalf Of Mistylea7
      Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:36 PM
      To: MarvWalkerHorses@ yahoogroups. com
      Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] A point about horse breeds


      Another very interesting point about horse "breeds" is that they are very different from dog breeds in that many horse breed registries will allow a cross-bred to be registered.  SO the registered Quarter Horse, Appaloosa, Paint, etc.  may really be half-that breed and something else, or in the case of appys, it may be only 25% appy, and 75% Thoroughbred, Quarter Horse, or Arabian.


      This is very unlike the dog breeds of the world-- you cannot take a German Shepherd and breed to a Briard and then register the puppies German Shepherd.  BUT since many horse breeds ALSO allow "hardship" registry (papers when sire/dam cannot be conclusively determined and no papers exist but horse looks enough "like" that breed--ex. QH) these Hardshipped horses ARE permitted to breed, so talk about a crap shoot. 


      The AKC WILL register dogs that cannot prove ancestry, BUT this is considered ILP and such dogs must be spayed/neutered.


      So, in many instances looking for a "breed" of horse is very much secondary to a solid temperament & experience.  Also so many horses are NOT bred for temperament or to any particular breed standard, so again, unless you know the breeder of a particular breed and that such breeder selectively crosses horses with a focus on rideability, soundness, etc.  just buying a "registered" horse doesn't guarantee anything, not to mention the extreme dichotomy in horse "type" & temperament within any breed.


      So I would also agree that choosing a "breed" should not be a primary focus if you are not trying to get into "bloodlines" to breed this horse.  Good riding horses come in all sizes/colors, and just because it is a registered halflinger, QH, etc. doesn't guarantee anything.  You must talk to the owner/trainer and find a GREAT temperament (very forgiving, Lots of miles for a child (don't buy a greenbroke or foal to "grow up with") something with a solid & safe foundation to learn,  appropriate size for rider, color (if that matters subjectively)  I like a pretty horse.... ;-)  and of course, soundness.


      FYI-- MANY rescue horses will fit this bill.  I personally know of about five here in California , ranging in age from 10-17yrs, and 12-15 hands.  Prices start at $800 for these very nice rehabbed rescue horses, two are now being used in lesson programs as they are SO dog gentle and extremely quiet.  Not all rescues have training issues-- some are simply abandoned and need 100lbs of weight to be healthy again-- and others are rescued from the PMU slaughter market as foals  ie. Horses Honor AND Animali Farm.  (do a Google search).


      So, check your local rescue groups, your trainer, horse clubs & of course the Internet & paper in your area!  If possible have an experienced horse person accompany you to evaluate any horse you may decide to purchase!



    • Becky
      Yeah, I guess you re right, technically. Guess when I see a halflinger, and that blonde mane - the thought of chestnut coloration goes right out of my mind.
      Message 37 of 37 , Nov 26, 2007
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        Yeah, I guess you're right, technically. Guess when I see a halflinger, and that blonde mane - the thought of "chestnut" coloration goes right out of my mind. If you look at just the body color, yes, they are shades of chestnut.
        The 2 I know are in the golden chesnut range. Palomino all the way!!
        Just my observation. . . .

        ----- Original Message ----
        From: Cynthia Eliason <cde@...>
        To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:01:10 AM
        Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] newbe needing to know about horse/pony breeds

        On Sunday 25 November 2007 1:44 pm, Becky wrote:
        > The halflingers I know are more palomino looking?

          Supposedly the "cream" gene that's required for palomino does not exist in
        the Haflinger, they are all shades of chestnut. 
          On the Haflinger list someone posted photos of a white haflinger - it's 
        purebred but the registry pulled the papers because of the color. 
          I don't know much about horse color genetics so am not sure about any of

        Cindy Eliason
        Whitefield, NH

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