49376Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Faith!! Look To Me!
- Aug 18, 2013On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:34:35 -0700, Marv Walker <Marv@...>
Marve, Just an idea. Have you considered using a version of Allen
Pogue's pedestal training with the mare Faith? The idea would be to get
her actually thinking again and not just re-acting. Thank you for sharing
the journey that you and Faith are on. I really am learnig as I read your
posts. Sincerely, Penny Johnson
> I didn't do anything with Faith today, it was raining way too hard to
> do anything outside the barn so Cathy "No Legal Relation" Walker and
> I worked inside the barn painting and cleaning.
> Cathy snatched Dakota off the slaughter truck that came into Brave
> Meadows a few months ago to see if there were any horses in the semi
> trailer Brave Meadows might have an interest in.
> Cathy had an interest in him even though I had my doubts. He was a
> rangy, skinny, nervous paint. He was what I have heard referred to
> as a "hide." It is unfortunate that there are way more horses than
> there are homes for those horses.
> Most horses end up in the slaughter truck for a reason. People are
> very often unable to deal with them for whatever reason, very often
> handling problems, and rescuing a slaughter bound horse is iffy. It
> is very easy to end up with someone else's burden. If that is your
> desire, more power to you and good on ya for it. I don't like
> slaughter one bit but I'm at a loss as to what to do with all the
> unwanted horses. I have a pragmatic view - I cannot save all the
> horses in the world and death is not the worse thing that can happen
> to a horse.
> Truthfully, I would have left him on the truck. Cathy wasn't having
> any part of that.
> Cathy is without a doubt a superior volunteer who leaves no doubt
> when she says, "I believe in the program." If there is a need at
> Brave Meadows Therapeutic Riding Center Cathy Walker is there to do
> it. She will flat do to ride the river with.
> She had a horse in her childhood for awhile before children and grand
> children and then she had Dakota. Not having a lot of luck dealing
> with him she was open to some suggestions I offered and in no time
> those two were thicker than honey and the talk of the barn. He looks
> nothing like he did when he clambered off the truck. He is slick,
> fat and has even grown a hand taller. He is an impressive horse and
> lets Cathy do whatever she wants to with him. It is obvious he is
> her horse. She calls him, he comes.
> She is his leader and he looks to her for direction.
> If you have a herd of horses grazing along and something spooks some
> of the herd they'll take off. But they'll only go until they see the
> rest of the herd is not following and then they circle back with an
> "We were just practicing" air. Let the lead horse spook and every
> horse in the herd follows for as long as the lead horse goes.
> The herd lets the head leader evaluate the spook. They look to her,
> and it's almost always a "her," to determine their reaction to the spook.
> This is what I want my horse to do with me. This is what Dakota does
> with Cathy.
> The purpose of the "bonder" is to present the horse with horse
> leadership actions, just like a lead horse in a herd would do, until
> the horse says by its actions, "This being is acting like a herd
> leader and I am acting like a follower. Therefore this being must be
> a leader."
> When it comes that conclusion it then begins to look to me for
> direction and to evaluate any spooks. "Look to me for direction on
> how to deal with whatever you are concerned about."
> Normally it only takes me a day or two to get the horse to that point
> and another day or two to drive it home - "Look to me!"
> I go out of my way to do strange things I think will upset the horse
> and then ignore the horse's reaction to the thing I'm doing. If the
> horse reacts to something outside of what I'm doing, such as Imdal
> wearing a blanket, I tell it, "Look to me, ignore it."
> Most horse people will forget what they are doing when a spook is
> encountered and concentrate on the spook. For instance, a dead
> mattress on the trail. The goal is to get the horse as close as
> possible to the mattress, maybe even get it to walk over it while all
> the time trying to convince the horse "It's okay! It won't hurt
> you." Eventually the horse pays little attention to the mattress and
> the horse person chalks up another successful desensitizing session.
> And then a large white trailer lies in wait around the back of the
> barn. Same routine. Every time something spooks the horse they stop
> and concentrate on the spook.
> What are they teaching the horse? If something disturbs you we'll
> stop what we're doing and deal with it.
> If something disturbs my horse I want it to "look to me, I'll deal
> with it, keep moving."
> Faith does that to a degree some of the time. Some of the time
> she'll go into hyperspook and I'll be the furthest thing on her radar
> screen and instead of focusing on me she'll focus on the
> spooker. She's pretty good with things that aren't connected to
> her. Connect it to her and get out of the way.
> Strangely, she'll stand for something connected to her, if stand is
> even the right word for what she does, if I have a hold of her. She
> respects leadline contact while acting like a box of springs just
> waiting to be released. The slightest lessening of contact and she's
> One list member sent me an email about a similar horse they had that
> spooked at man made items and they inundated the horse with various
> items baited with treats until the horse accepted them.
> This is a busy week for me and I'm not real sure if I'll get much
> time to work with her. Cathy and I are going to haul Dakota & Faith
> to the vet for yearly shots and Coggins Wednesday so that will eat up
> my available barn time.
> I'd like to spend a day at the barn and surcingle her all up and
> connect all kinds of spookers to her and leave her to her own devices
> in the arena until she accepts. I don't expect it to be pretty. I
> want to be there for the most part early in case something goes wrong.
> I've always said, "Mechanics drive the rattiest cars. Builders live
> in the neediest houses. Horse trainers have the least trained
> horses." I have been so busy working with other people's horses I
> haven't had time to work with one of my own.
> Now I find myself with the most difficult horse I've ever dealt with
> and I own her.
> Marv "Be careful what you chase, it may catch you." Walker
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