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  • Glensullivan
    Hollis ran a single engine two cylinder water cooled (note the radiator in the front) Anzani on a Jim Rathman Exterminator kart. Glen Sullivan ... Hollis ran a
    Message 1 of 5 , Jun 29, 2013
      Hollis ran a single engine two cylinder water cooled (note the radiator in the front) Anzani on a Jim Rathman Exterminator kart. 

      Glen Sullivan

      On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:34 PM, David&Carol <scshmoo@...> wrote:

      Hi All,

      At the 8 January 1963 Refrigerator Bowl Hollis Webster on his twin engine “roller skate” was matched against Don Greimel’s C production super-light Morgan and Brad
      Howe’s Lotus Seven in a three-lapper of the full course. Greimel won by a mere three feet.

      Best wishes,



      On 29 Jun 2013, at 07:14, Pelouze, Craige wrote:

      As I remember there was a 3 engine go cart that best both of the cars. I have pics. somewhere in archives.

      Craige Pelouze
      CBRE Richmond
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      Date: Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:28 am
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      Digest #909
      Re: Check out this video by "Ray Fleming" rayfleming170b
      Re: Check out this video by "Jock Ellis" jockellis@...
      Re: Check out this video by "David&Carol" gupycub

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      Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:28 am (PDT) . Posted by:
      "Ray Fleming" rayfleming170b <mailto:rayfleming170b@...?subject=Re%3A%20Check%20out%20this%20video>
      David and Carol, thanks for clarification re Bob Hurt. Obviously, we're talking about the shop in that gasoline alley in Kensington. I remembered it as being owned by Charlie Hayes, but I was wrong. Do you folks remember when Charlie owned that bar/restaurant/nightclub on Wisconsin Ave., just a block or so inside DC. When there, he parked the 250GTSWB out front and one night somebody sugared his gas tank. And, further downtown, there was a bar called Café Burgundy. The owner had a NASCAR Grand National Ford that that he once ran at Marlboro in a 5-lap exhibition race against a Lotus. My memory is that the Ford was driven by Elmo Langley, the Lotus by owner Ralph Williams, and that the Lotus won. Can anyone verify or correct?

      Your Bob Hurt response was very useful. I'm 71, and I've spent my life doing stuff that could hurt a person (racing SCCA, Motocross, flying, sailboat racing, hunting moose/caribou/grizzlies north of the Arctic Circle, three forced landings, etc.). Ironically, in 2007 I fell backwards down some stairs in my own living room. The result was a broken neck (repaired) and permanent spinal cord injuries, so I'm confined to either my bed or my 6-speed electric chair. I read Gordon's obit and realize that his situation was way worse than mine, and for decades longer.

      --- In Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marlboro_Raceway%40yahoogroups.com>, David&Carol <scshmoo@...> wrote:

      Hi Ray,

      Gordon's Father was Gordon Russel Tatum, Sr. He worked at the Applied Physics Lab (APL/JHU 8621 Georgia Ave) in Silver Spring during the war developing the VT proximity fuse for artillery shells. In the early 1950s he left APL/JHU and founded Vitro Labs. First located across from Pumphery's Funeral Home above the Masons. The nice building on Georgia Ave extended beyond Olney was built toward the end of the 1950s.

      Gordon had the shop on 3837 Plyers Mill Road in Kensington (behind the fire house). Charlie used it as a base and showroom.

      Bob Hurt was a male model and very good driver. I think he raced sports cars before he was 21. He never crashed at Marlboro. His injury happened during practice for the 1968 Indy 500. He was driving #14 Quaker State and backed into the SW turn wall. A suspension part or the roll bar was pushed into his neck. He was paralysed for the rest of his life.

      Best wishes,

      On 12 Jun 2013, at 12:08, Ray Fleming wrote:

      RE: Ferrari prices...in about '66 or so, there was a used car lot on the west side of US1, right at a light about 100 yards south of the US1/DC beltway interchange. They had a 250GT SWB Berlinetta, painted kinda bright yellow, with a price of $3,995. on the hood. I stopped my Volvo 123-GT to look at it. It had obviously undergone some quick and dirty bodywork, and at the time, I was making about $500 bucks a month with a baby, so, end of story.

      Also, am I getting Gordon Tatum and Charlie Hayes confused? I know that Hayes had a shop in Kensington, because In about 63 or 64, he did a tuneup on my 54 TR-2. In his showroom, there sat a red Ferrari (a Testa Rosa, I think), and on that day I met a guy named Hal Booher who became a lifelong SCCA/dirtbike/taildragger flying buddy. At the time, he raced a white Elva Courier; some of you may remember Hal. (We were both getting a Hayes-hosing that day.)

      Also, wasn't Tatum the son of the guy that owned Vitro Laboratories in northern Montgomery Co?

      Lastly, my recollection is that it was Bob Hurt who wrecked his Ferrari in the chicane, and further, that he was then a full or semi-parapalegic for the rest of his life. Can anyone verify that. And, I thought he was real young at that time; where did he get all that dough?

      From: David&Carol <scshmoo@...>
      To: Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marlboro_Raceway%40yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:07 PM
      Subject: Re: [Marlboro_Raceway] Check out this video
      Hi Bob,

      The car you describe sounds like a 330 P serial 0810, but I do not think it was ever raced by Andretti.

      0810 started life as a 250 P then was upgraded by the factory to 330P.

      Pedro Rodriguez raced it (Pedro was short) as did John (Buck) Fulp, Skip Hudson and Bob Grossman.


      On 12 Jun 2013, at 07:17, Bob wrote:
      An amazing number of truly legendary Ferraris went through Gordons hands, including many NART cars that didn't find buyers after Sebring, Nassau and Daytona. Pete Sherman wound up with a Tatum Lusso or two, and there were at least two ICE GTOs, a whole host of 250 and 330GTs and my 275GTB4.

      Bob Hurt was one of Gordon's "clients" and I recall a flap when the ex-Andretti enduro winning car (330P?) showed up at Marlboro and the roll bar height rules had been changed. Hurt squawked about it being legal for Daytona or whatever, and the tech guys pointed out that Bob was 6" taller than Mario.

      I believe that car wound up with a normal engine after Harvey Cluxton blew the race engine on the street, and putting that historic car back together involved some nasty lawsuits, and someone blowing up Harvey's helicopter.

      Cheers, Bob

      On 6/12/2013 11:23 AM, MIchael Ling wrote:
      Hi Sam, thanks for the update on Gordon Tatum. Of course at the time, in 1966, I was mesmerized by his GTO. At today's GTO money, it's hard to believe that Gordon was banging it around at SCCA regional races. I did wondered how much was Gordon's driving and how much was the car. I think Gordon did have more than a bit of talent. I also thought there was a bit of jealousy in the pit. I recalled that behind his back, his name was 'Tata', denoted his upperty mannerism. I was not awared of his dealings until when I enrolled in law school here in California, 1979. I was assigned to research on a case named "Maryland vs. Tatum". Sam, you can well imagined my shock to read the name Gordon Tatum on the complaint. It was a convoluted 3-party deal involved Gordon, a purchasing client, and Chinetti on a lightweight Ferrari Daytona. I somewhat dismissed the case as typical when dealing Chinetti. However some years later when I mentioned the case to a member within the Ferrari circle, the individual was not surprised, as evidently Gordon has acquired a less than stellar standing within the Ferrari circle. All rather tragic don't you think? With his God given talents, he would have gone FA
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