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Re: [Marbling] Re: Beginner questions

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  • irisnevins
    Well just to confuse the issue, LOL, but really just to show that there are many right ways ... I never wash with synthrapol (and have used their scarves)
    Message 1 of 4 , Jun 2, 2012
      Well just to confuse the issue, LOL, but really just to show that there are many "right ways"...

      I never wash with synthrapol (and have used their scarves) because when I first did this it either didn't exist or I didn't know about it. It all worked fine. I use warm water to alum, and I believe the process of swooshing them in a bucket of alum water may just wash out any sizing if present. I use about 1 TBS alum to about three cups water for fabric by the way. Less than some, more than others.

      I like to use the cheap Folk Art or Ceram Coat acrylics. Keep in mind not all the colors work all the time, and this is true of most paints if used for marbling. The price is right at about 88 cents a bottle.

      Never wash tools with soap. Found out the hard way. All you need is to do it ONCE. then you never do it again!

      I do not heat set in the dryer either, they need ironing after to get wrinkles out and that seems to be enough heat.

      Sign me, Queen Of The Shortcut. If I don't have to do it I don't!

      Iris Nevins

      On 06/02/12, Barb<blskoog@...> wrote:

      Welcome to the wonderful world of marbling!

      First off, you have a fantastic reference book, one of my favorites! Secondly, there are as many different ways to marble and marbling preferences as there are marblers so I always advise people to just jump in and tweak along the way. What works for one marbler and his/her particular environment, may not work for another. That being said, I'll answer your questions based on how I marble on fabric.

      1) I wash everything in Synthrapol before I marble it. I don't use my regular laundry detergent (which is eco-friendly, not Tide or anything like that) as I'm not confident that it removes size the way it should. So to eliminate any worries and give me peace of mind, I use Synthrapol. A little goes a long way and it's cheap.

      3)I use both Golden Fluid and Liquitex soft body paints. Love 'em. They never fail me. Paints are a very personal choice for the marbler and you will get lots of feedback on this one. Experiment and find out what you like best.

      4) I use Photo-flo if I'm having a problem with paints not spreading...but that's a rare issue for me (perhaps because I'm using the high-quality artist brand paints?). I usually use Photo-flo more for artistic effect. I've never tried Versatex so I can't comment on its performance. Some folks use Golden's acrylic flow release when using Golden's paints to help them spread. Again, I never have to.

      5) Your bath, paints, and distilled water should ALWAYS be the same temp. I never store my bath in the fridge because I either make just enough for my needs or I use it up before it goes bad. But I marble every day...if you're just a weekend marbler and want to save your bath from one weekend to the next, putting it in the fridge may give you some extended shelf life. I'm sure there are marblers out there with a better working knowledge about this.

      6) Your trays, tools, etc. should just be rinsed/cleaned in regular water, no soap. Ever.

      Best of luck in your adventure...and most importantly, have lots of fun doing this with your daughter!

      Barb Skoog

      --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "jardiniere22" <song.sparrow.receiving@...> wrote:
      > Hi everyone,
      > I am new to the group. My daughter and I want to try our hands at marbling, and plan to marble silk scarves with acrylic paints on carrageenan size for our first project. I've borrowed the book "The Ultimate Marbling Handbook" by Diane Maurer-Mathison to help us.
      > I am getting ready to purchase materials, and I had some questions:
      > 1. I am planning on purchasing the silk scarves from Dharma Trading. In the book, it says that "Silk may also contain sericin, a natural gum formed in the silk-making process. A product called Synthrapol can be used to wash out any sericin prior to marbling." For those of you who have used silk scarves from Dharma Trading, do I need to wash them in Synthrapol, or is this not necessary?
      > 2. When I wash the silk scarves prior to treating them with alum, do I need to use a synthetic laundry detergent, or is it OK to use my homemade laundry soap which is made from soap?
      > 3. I am considering using either Liquitex Soft Body Acrylics or Jacquard Textile Colors. Is one preferable to the other?
      > 4. The book recommends using Photo-Flo if colors won't flow. Dharma Trading sells Versatex. Is one preferable to the other?
      > 5. Should I store the carrageenan size in the refrigerator when I am not using it, and bring it to room temperature before using?
      > 6. Should I clean up my trays and combs only with water? I shouldn't use soap for clean up, correct?
      > Thanks for any advice!


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    • irisnevins
      PS....on distilled water... I never use it except in paint making. Never for size. I have the world s hardest water. No problem. I did a comparison, using rain
      Message 2 of 4 , Jun 2, 2012
        PS....on distilled water... I never use it except in paint making. Never for size. I have the world's hardest water. No problem. I did a comparison, using rain water, distilled water and my tap water and the tap water was actually best. Salt from water softeners however can kill marbling. Really bothers the paints. Maybe distilled is better for others, but I will never lug it more than I need to for making paint. For marbling fabric the tray is pretty large, that's a lot of distilled water. I'd say try without, and see if if works, save lugging and money.

        When a handful of us were marbling first in the 70s, we knew nothing really about using distilled water and it worked anyway. Maybe distilled worked better for some, but I never found it worked any better for me. Not sure what Diane's book says, if she recommends it, maybe it just works better than her tap water. I'd say do a trial without and then another with. You may save lugging and cost.

        Iris Nevins
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