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Re: [Marbling] Re: marbling with oil

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  • irisnevins
    you need the premium type of inkjet. You can also get light weight photo paper, which is fun. You need the high test coating! You also have to try both sides,
    Message 1 of 6 , Feb 19, 2011
      you need the premium type of inkjet. You can also get light weight photo paper, which is fun. You need the high test coating! You also have to try both sides, some of them have a good side and bad side, can't tell by looking.
      Iris Nevins
      www.marblingpaper.com<http://www.marblingpaper.com/>

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      From: robinstinker<mailto:robinstinker@...>
      To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:38 AM
      Subject: [Marbling] Re: marbling with oil


      I've had to alum my inkjet paper, at least the cheaper kind. With no alum, the paint seemed to stay on OK, but then as it was left to dry it got kind of muddy-looking and runny. I use cheap paper a lot for testing. The thin paper is kind of nice for getting a wavy effect - it's easier to manipulate. However I think it's too thin for lighter, more transparent colors. I seem to get shadowy areas from paint/size getting on the back of the paper.

      The heavier inkjet paper for photos doesn't seem to need alum, but I don't like the stiffness of the paper.

      Robin

      --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>, "irisnevins" <irisnevins@...> wrote:
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      > Has anyone gotten onto the fact that best quality inkjet paper, you can marble (please test for the coated side!) with NO ALUM! Great if you marble 8 1/2 X 11 or up to 17 X 13 or some such size,.... that's generally available in Staples. You can go up to 18 X 24, I think Epson and HP make them....not cheap per sheet, maybe $1.00 at that size. I am wary of the weight though, seems kind of thin.The smaller papers are for sure, but not unyeildy when wet. Would that we could skip alum altogether! The small sizes, great for small projects, or kids.
      > Iris Nevins
      > www.marblinpaper.com<http://www.marblinpaper.com/<http://www.marblinpaper.com%3chttp//www.marblinpaper.com/>>
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      > From: D or Jer Guffey<mailto:dguff<mailto:dguff>@...>
      > To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>>
      > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 4:49 PM
      > Subject: Re: [Marbling] Re: marbling with oil
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      > The only advantage of marbling with oil paints is that you don't have to alum (either fabric or paper). But the disadvantages are greater. Oil paint is messy, and has to be thinned with paint thinner or turpentine to make it the right consistency. Also, oil paints permeate the paper (goes through to the back side) whereas paper which has been treated with alum for acrylic paints (or marbling inks) lets the color sit on top (pigments bind with the alum to make a chemical bond). You cannot get as fine a line and detail with oil paints as you can with acrylics. I gave up oil paint marbling when I discovered acrylics. Cleaner, not so toxic, and much easier to clean up.
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      > As for finishing the fabric after oil paint, all you do is rinse, line dry, and then iron. No need to do additional heat setting, as the oil paint is thoroughly ingrained in the fabric.
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      > Hope this helps.
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      > d.guffey
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      > From: Sue Cole
      > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:41 PM
      > To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>>
      > Subject: [Marbling] Re: marbling with oil
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      > If you wat the video called "Just Colour" that I posted they do their
      > material with oil colors. Oil was the original method used before acrylics
      > came on the scene, but I don't know much about it for fabric - what to thin
      > it with or how to finish the fabric. Most people that I know of nowadays
      > use acrylics for fabric. Maybe Iris would have some input, or Diane Maurer
      > - they are the experts on here.
      > Sue
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