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Re: [Marbling] Digest Number 172

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  • Jake Benson
    on 4/15/01 3:53 AM, Marbling@yahoogroups.com at Marbling@yahoogroups.com ... Are there any more details about this book? Is it a technical how-to book, or a
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      on 4/15/01 3:53 AM, Marbling@yahoogroups.com at Marbling@yahoogroups.com
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      > There are 2 messages in this issue.
      >
      > Topics in this digest:
      >
      > 1. Islamic Calligraphy article and other tidbits.
      > From: Jake Benson <jemiljan@...>
      > 2. Re: Hikmet Barutculgil's Marbling Books
      > From: "serra guney" <serraguney@...>
      >
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      > Message: 1
      > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:39:11 -0500
      > From: Jake Benson <jemiljan@...>
      > Subject: Islamic Calligraphy article and other tidbits.
      >
      > Thanks for pointing this out Susan!
      >
      > Incidentally, the very same names that are mentioned in this article have a
      > lot to do with early marbling. So far, the oldest known datable pieces of
      > Islamic marbling are the signed original poetic compositions (Qita') of Mir
      > 'Ali ul Haravi, who died in 1544. Only one of the examples I've come across
      > has a date of 1540, showing that it was composed in Bukhara, but it still
      > can't be determined that all of the qita' were produced there, and some may
      > have in fact been composed in Herat. One the other hand, while there's a
      > lot of evidence to show how marbling was used, there is still very little
      > information concerning the actual marblers.
      >
      > Usually it has been assumed that it was done in association with the
      > calligraphers in their atelier. I do wonder however if it is possible that
      > it could have been manufactured in conjunction with papermaking, as not all
      > colored and decorated papers necessarily originated in the court.
      >
      > One of the pieces from the Kevorkian collection does have an interesting
      > fragment in the borders of one of the non marbled Mir 'Ali Qita. It's a
      > fragment of an earlier poet and Nasta'liq calligrapher named Kamal Khujandi,
      > who died much earlier, around 1410 in Tabriz in Iran. Another example of
      > his work is part of a composite page form an album (Muraqqa) in the Musée
      > d'Histiore in Geneva. The problem is that these particular fragments aren't
      > signed by the author. The one in Geneva has a posthumous attribution
      > written underneath the piece. While it can't be proved for certain that
      > Kamal Khujandi used marbled paper, it may well be an indicator that the
      > technique was known and used earlier than previously thought.
      >
      > regards,
      >
      > Jake Benson
      >
      >
      > Benson's Hand Bindery
      > Fine Custom Bookbinding & Conservation
      > Hand Marbled Papers
      > 1319 B Summerville Ave.
      > Columbia S.C. 29201
      > Phone: 803.799.1853
      > jemiljan@...
      > http://www.iprofsys.com/bensonsmarbles.htm
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      >
      >
      > ________________________________________________________________________
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      > Message: 2
      > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:21:34 +0300
      > From: "serra guney" <serraguney@...>
      > Subject: Re: Hikmet Barutculgil's Marbling Books
      >
      > DEAR ALL THE MARBLING GROUP
      > THE LAST BOOK OF MR. BARUTCUGIL IS READY.
      > IT'S COST IS 50$ + 10$ (FOR MAIL COST)=60$
      > IF YOU INTEREST, YOU CAN CONTACT WITH ME.
      >
      > SORRY FOR THE DELAY
      > SERRA
      >> From: Jake Benson <jemiljan@...>
      >> Reply-To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
      >> To: <Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
      >> Subject: [Marbling] Hikmet Barutculgil's Marbling Books
      >> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:21:51 -0500
      >>
      >> Hello List,
      >>
      >> If you recall, last fall I announced that Ingrid Weimann had these books
      >> for
      >> sale. The information should be listed in the archives. Ingrid no longer
      >> has copies of "Infinity of Colours" but may still have copies of "Inks
      >> Dancing on Water". Alternatively, Muir Dawson may have a copy of the
      >> Inifinity book left. For more descriptive info, please search the
      >> archives,
      >> as I gave included many details in my posting.
      >>
      >> Ingrid's email is
      >>
      >> floatingcolors@...
      >>
      >> Regards,
      >>
      >> Jake Benson
      >>
      >>
      >> Benson's Hand Bindery
      >> Fine Custom Bookbinding & Conservation
      >> Hand Marbled Papers
      >> 1319 B Summerville Ave.
      >> Columbia S.C. 29201
      >> Phone: 803.799.1853
      >> jemiljan@...
      >> http://www.iprofsys.com/bensonsmarbles.htm
      >>
      >>
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      Are there any more details about this book? Is it a technical "how-to"
      book, or a book featuring his work?


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