RE: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
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> From: alavee15@...
> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:09:34 +0000
> Subject: RE: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
> Thanks Jake, that explains it. I went to a demo in Italy and when I told them that I marbled they let me try a sheet. It was a whole different experience, alot rougher and faster pace then what I am used to!
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>> To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
>> From: jemiljan@...
>> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:47:57 +0000
>> Subject: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
>> Hi Susanne,
>> I just asked a friend who worked for them for some years, and he said
>> that they actually used boiled carragheen moss for size, but they did
>> use oil colors and oil-based printing inks.
>> Natural Carragheen moss contains three distinct types of gels,
>> designated by a different Greek letter; Kappa, Iota, and Lambda.
>> Kappa and Iota are less soluble and tend to form very viscous, even
>> solid gels. The powdered carragheenan extract that is generally sold
>> for marbling here in the US is refined lambda, which is a very fine
>> gel that never really solidifies.
>> --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, susanne martin wrote:
>>> I think that maybe the people at Il Papiro in Italy also use this,
>> their sizing is very thick.
>>> To: Marbling@...: jemiljan@...: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:08:43
>> +0000Subject: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
>>> Erik,>I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for
>> marbling.Did the person who told you this mention what kind of paints
>> they wereusing? Much as MC HPMC and HMC have various kinds and grades,
>> so does CMC. There is a kind made that is so viscous, it is used as a
>> buildingmaterial and in architectural restoration. While I've never
>> used it for any method of marbling, I do know paperconservators who
>> use certain types of Sodium CMC in very low solutionsas as an
>> adhesive. I
>> have the impression that it is a lot more viscous and also also
>> morepolar, which may limit the paint that is used to oil. In fact,
>> Ithink that Asco marbling, a kind of oil-color method developed
>> byartists at the Ascona School in Switzerland, is made on such a
>> viscoussizing. If you try it out, let us know how it goes! Jake
>> Benson--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Haagensen"> wrote:>> I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for
>> marbling.> Can anyone confirm this ??> ... or give comments>
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