RE: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
- Thanks Jake, that explains it. I went to a demo in Italy and when I told them that I marbled they let me try a sheet. It was a whole different experience, alot rougher and faster pace then what I am used to!
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> To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com_________________________________________________________________
> From: jemiljan@...
> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:47:57 +0000
> Subject: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
> Hi Susanne,
> I just asked a friend who worked for them for some years, and he said
> that they actually used boiled carragheen moss for size, but they did
> use oil colors and oil-based printing inks.
> Natural Carragheen moss contains three distinct types of gels,
> designated by a different Greek letter; Kappa, Iota, and Lambda.
> Kappa and Iota are less soluble and tend to form very viscous, even
> solid gels. The powdered carragheenan extract that is generally sold
> for marbling here in the US is refined lambda, which is a very fine
> gel that never really solidifies.
> --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, susanne martin wrote:
>> I think that maybe the people at Il Papiro in Italy also use this,
> their sizing is very thick.
>> To: Marbling@...: jemiljan@...: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:08:43
> +0000Subject: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
>> Erik,>I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for
> marbling.Did the person who told you this mention what kind of paints
> they wereusing? Much as MC HPMC and HMC have various kinds and grades,
> so does CMC. There is a kind made that is so viscous, it is used as a
> buildingmaterial and in architectural restoration. While I've never
> used it for any method of marbling, I do know paperconservators who
> use certain types of Sodium CMC in very low solutionsas as an
> adhesive. I
> have the impression that it is a lot more viscous and also also
> morepolar, which may limit the paint that is used to oil. In fact,
> Ithink that Asco marbling, a kind of oil-color method developed
> byartists at the Ascona School in Switzerland, is made on such a
> viscoussizing. If you try it out, let us know how it goes! Jake
> Benson--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Haagensen"> wrote:>> I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for
> marbling.> Can anyone confirm this ??> ... or give comments>
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