Re: paper prices up
- Ooooooh yes. That's just what they suggested to me when I insisted something was not as
it has been before (and they maintained i was wrong). When you order a ton, we can do
whatever you want... That would be about 20.000 sheets 70 x 100cm. But I do not have an
extra house to house a ton of paper!
--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "irisnevins" <irisnevins@v...> wrote:
> Well, I was told if I order enough...I think it was maybe 20,000 sheets, I could get the
old formula of Classic Linen. I don't know where I'd put them all!! It may actually be very
cheap at that rate in fact though. Or could they have said 200,000! I don't even remember!
Can you imagine though if they SAY it is old formula and you get it and it doesn't
> My instinct says a little price rise now, then another maybe six months later. I like to
follow my gut in most everything.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hamburgerbuntpapier_de<mailto:hamburgerbuntpapier@t...>
> To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 2:02 PM
> Subject: [Marbling] Re: paper prices up
> I cannot lay hands on the formula right now, but if I remember correctly,1 inch answers
> about 2,5 cm. I am using 50 x 70cm sheets, as do many European marbling
> That would be 20 x 28 inches. It works without problems and torn corners, even when
> carrying the sheet by its ears to the drying rack and even with dribbled patterns
> about a ton when wet.
> Yes, many of the old sheets were smaller, at least in Europe - e.g. 48 x 63cm (19,2 x
> 25,2inches), 43 x 61 cm (17,2 x 24,4inches) or 33 x 45cm (13,2 x 18inches).
> I do not know the least about markets in America, but is it really so bad to raise the
> by those few cents per sheet? Or make a calculation that leaves a reserve? After all, the
> bulk of our prices is not materials (except with hand made base paper, of course), it is
> work. Or do you make your prices another way?
> If you have found a base paper that's the answer to the marbler's prayer - use it
> again, if it's hand made or whatever for several $ per sheet). Finding the right materials
> part of our work. A person cannot do first class work with second class materials, and
> class materials in this case is what is the most suitable for the task, which doesn't
> necessarily mean the most expensive. There are cases when the cheapest is the best.
> And yes, the search for the best base paper of all is a never ending one. Like you, Iris, I
> have had the dubious pleasure to find myself saddled with 2000 sheets that did not
> as they had before. Like you, I found a way out. Like you, I hold my breath that this
> happen again. But does it help? No, we're too small fish in the paper factories' ponds.
> Susanne krause
> --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>, "irisnevins"
> > Yes, the old papers were thin, but from what I can gather they also marbled much
> smaller sheets as a rule. I find it unwieldy to manage a thin wet paper at what is now
> expected size of at least 17 1/2 X 22 1/2, and I use 19 X 25. It also thinned with
> burnishing. I wish I could just find a cheap good paper again!
> > I need to just raise at half for now, I will see how it goes. I already raised a year ago
> when I had to switch. Sorry for your troubles....I live in fear of ordering a ton of paper
> again that used to work and suddenly no longer does.
> > Dave, you are right, but maybe with yet more investigation I can find a less
> paper that works. I will have to buy 100,000 sheets just to have around!!! I like the
> Text though.....really like it and so do my customers.
> > iris nevins
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: hamburgerbuntpapier_de<mailto:hamburgerbuntpapier@t<mailto:
> > To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:
> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:56 PM
> > Subject: [Marbling] Re: paper prices up
> > Hi Dave,
> > I think you are right, absorbing increased prices only gives problems later on, when
> > are more rises and you have to make up for them in one step. There are limits as to
> > often and for which article you can raise prices, though... My catalogue prices
> > three or four years, with a somewhat tight feeling towards the end, while I adjust
> > prices for specials as the need arises. This does nicely for me. It's a political
> > really.
> > As to paper: Hahnemühle has done something or other to what they call Nature Tex
> > US, making it unfit for all my sprinkeled techniques (while it continues to work well
> > marbling and reasonably well for paste). They maintained, however, that they
> > nothing and that the faults were entirely on my side - until I sent them samples.
> > a full stop to our correspondence. As this has happened before with Hahnemühle, I
> > decided to find another base paper.
> > I have changed to Corolla Book by Fedrigoni. It's Italian, which means another
> > you in US in case they do not have a plant in AMerica. It is only slightly more
> > than the Hahnemühle, but much more elegant, less fillers and less air in it
> > the Nature Tex. I'm using the 90gms kind. Very suitable for restoration stuff! The
> > papers were thin.
> > Susanne Krause
> > --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:
Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>>, Dave Allen
> > >
> > > Iris,
> > > II don't think you should absorb any of the increased cost of the paper.
> > > I always pass on the cost of materials directly to my clients and have
> > > never had a complaint when prices went up. Why should you absorb the cost?
> > > If you increase your prices a bit at a time based on what it costs you
> > > plus your markup then you never have to make a major adjustment of
> > > prices which really upsets people.
> > > Just my 2 cents,
> > > Dave Allen
> > >
> > > irisnevins wrote:
> > >
> > > >I once again would like to find out what papers people are using for watercolor
> > marbling, acrylic too, but more for watercolor.
> > > >The good news is Natur Text is still available, the bad news is that it has gone
> > 50 cents or so a sheet. At least I am glad I can still work! But I wonder if anyone has
> > anything else that works and is under about $1.00 a sheet for 19 X 25 long grain
> > preferably. I hate to raise prices, but have had to by half the raise, I am absorbing
> > other half.
> > > >Also, carrageenan is up again, it will likely work out to about a dollar a pound
> more. It
> > seems to rise every six months lately.
> > > >thanks,
> > > >Iris Nevins
> > > >
> > > >
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